Turkish Army Entering Syria

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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2019, 06:36:36 AM »
How many decades do they need?
Their gods make them kill each other.

Fuck that.

They have not manned up in twenty years. They never will.
Why should we die for them?

We have broken things and killed people for them.

There comes a time for divorce.


I think we are done.


Let them finish their battle.




I don't care who wins. I hope they all die.



The USofA has no stake in the outcome.






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« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2019, 06:46:41 AM »
At the very least, give them time to rest and rebuild before letting them fight yet another enemy.

US and EU should left hypocrisy. We know whose are terrorists, and whose are not. We don't need to learn the definition of terrorism. Fighting a terrorist organization does not legitimize the other terrorist organization!

Once again? Fighting a terrorist organization does not legitimize another terrorist organization!

We wanted armed drones from USA, they did not. we produced our own armed drones.

We wanted air defence system from USA, they did not. We have bought our air defence system from Russia.

We were a partner of F35 program but Americans are threatening us to remove us from program; we are dealing with Russia to buy Su57 from there. Even if we didn't buy it, it was advertised for the Russian arms industry. Many countries are currently trying to buy the S400 and Su57.

America is now threatening us with the economy. The world is no longer the world at the time of Marshall aid. The Chinese economy is larger than the American economy once again, just as it was 150 years ago. do you think we can't get credit from China if we give up on America? In this case, if large companies use Yuan instead of dollar, which country will suffer the most?

As we say countlessly, the American economy and sovereignty over the world have ended due to its misconceptions about other countries and have started to collapse. But unfortunately, instead of protecting their friends and choosing to rise again with them, they prefer to drag them into destruction. Sorry, we're not in this game. this operation is proof that we are not in this game.
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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2019, 07:20:52 AM »
Sounds like you have everything under control.

Good luck. You always said you could handle this on your own.   

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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2019, 07:50:41 AM »
The US has a big share of responsibility in the mess the Middle East is. The US has been constantly meddling in middle east affairs and playing war games on other people's countries for the last 70 years.

Turkey didn't ask for both its southern neighbors to be turned into a permanent warzone ruled by militias and islamic terrorist.

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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2019, 08:24:46 AM »
The US has a big share of responsibility in the mess the Middle East is. The US has been constantly meddling in middle east affairs and playing war games on other people's countries for the last 70 years.

Turkey didn't ask for both its southern neighbors to be turned into a permanent warzone ruled by militias and islamic terrorist.

Yes the area has been at war for 2000 years and it is all the USofA's fault for the past decade or so.
It's like they hate for the thrill of hating.

Donald Trump is right. We are done, should never have been there in the first place.

Why should we care when nobody else on the planet cares?

Step up you pathetic rich countries like Germany and Italy and Norway and Spain, etc. Your backyard.


Europe needs to grow some balls and exert their collective will in their sector.
Not our god damn job.

WWII is over. Protect you own shit. Expose your shit to risk.

It is no longer our responsibility to protect Europe.







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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2019, 08:38:51 AM »
At the very least, give them time to rest and rebuild before letting them fight yet another enemy.

US and EU should left hypocrisy. We know whose are terrorists, and whose are not. We don't need to learn the definition of terrorism. Fighting a terrorist organization does not legitimize the other terrorist organization!

Once again? Fighting a terrorist organization does not legitimize another terrorist organization!

We wanted armed drones from USA, they did not. we produced our own armed drones.

We wanted air defence system from USA, they did not. We have bought our air defence system from Russia.

We were a partner of F35 program but Americans are threatening us to remove us from program; we are dealing with Russia to buy Su57 from there. Even if we didn't buy it, it was advertised for the Russian arms industry. Many countries are currently trying to buy the S400 and Su57.

America is now threatening us with the economy. The world is no longer the world at the time of Marshall aid. The Chinese economy is larger than the American economy once again, just as it was 150 years ago. do you think we can't get credit from China if we give up on America? In this case, if large companies use Yuan instead of dollar, which country will suffer the most?

As we say countlessly, the American economy and sovereignty over the world have ended due to its misconceptions about other countries and have started to collapse. But unfortunately, instead of protecting their friends and choosing to rise again with them, they prefer to drag them into destruction. Sorry, we're not in this game. this operation is proof that we are not in this game.

First off: you don't know who is terrorist and who is not.  Not most of them.  Why?  Because a terrorist looks like a civillian.  They don't wear uniforms or march in the country.  They have a home, a family, a job.  They go to mosque and the market.  They dress like everyone else.  Find them, if you can. 

Secondly: learn from America: fighting terrorists doesn't work if you mainly blow shit up.  Look at America.  18 years and we STILL haven't "won".  Because every bomb is propoganda for the enemy.

Third: those Kurd terrorists are our friends yet aren't you happy America isn't standing by them?

The issue isn't Turkey wanting to fight terrorists.  The issue is Turkey invading Syria to do it.
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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2019, 09:03:32 AM »
At the very least, give them time to rest and rebuild before letting them fight yet another enemy.

US and EU should left hypocrisy. We know whose are terrorists, and whose are not. We don't need to learn the definition of terrorism. Fighting a terrorist organization does not legitimize the other terrorist organization!

Once again? Fighting a terrorist organization does not legitimize another terrorist organization!

We wanted armed drones from USA, they did not. we produced our own armed drones.

We wanted air defence system from USA, they did not. We have bought our air defence system from Russia.

We were a partner of F35 program but Americans are threatening us to remove us from program; we are dealing with Russia to buy Su57 from there. Even if we didn't buy it, it was advertised for the Russian arms industry. Many countries are currently trying to buy the S400 and Su57.

America is now threatening us with the economy. The world is no longer the world at the time of Marshall aid. The Chinese economy is larger than the American economy once again, just as it was 150 years ago. do you think we can't get credit from China if we give up on America? In this case, if large companies use Yuan instead of dollar, which country will suffer the most?

As we say countlessly, the American economy and sovereignty over the world have ended due to its misconceptions about other countries and have started to collapse. But unfortunately, instead of protecting their friends and choosing to rise again with them, they prefer to drag them into destruction. Sorry, we're not in this game. this operation is proof that we are not in this game.

First off: you don't know who is terrorist and who is not.  Not most of them.  Why?  Because a terrorist looks like a civillian.  They don't wear uniforms or march in the country.  They have a home, a family, a job.  They go to mosque and the market.  They dress like everyone else.  Find them, if you can. 

Secondly: learn from America: fighting terrorists doesn't work if you mainly blow shit up.  Look at America.  18 years and we STILL haven't "won".  Because every bomb is propoganda for the enemy.

Third: those Kurd terrorists are our friends yet aren't you happy America isn't standing by them?

The issue isn't Turkey wanting to fight terrorists.  The issue is Turkey invading Syria to do it.


Oh, dude, you are so getting a lecture from Pez.

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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2019, 10:01:56 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-to-send-additional-troops-to-saudi-arabia-to-boost-defenses-against-iran/2019/10/11/7b8c8de6-ec42-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html

Okay.  That's where the troops are going.

It does kind of make sense.  Technically those oil fields did help us out in ww2.
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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2019, 10:21:52 AM »
At the very least, give them time to rest and rebuild before letting them fight yet another enemy.

US and EU should left hypocrisy. We know whose are terrorists, and whose are not. We don't need to learn the definition of terrorism. Fighting a terrorist organization does not legitimize the other terrorist organization!

Once again? Fighting a terrorist organization does not legitimize another terrorist organization!

We wanted armed drones from USA, they did not. we produced our own armed drones.

We wanted air defence system from USA, they did not. We have bought our air defence system from Russia.

We were a partner of F35 program but Americans are threatening us to remove us from program; we are dealing with Russia to buy Su57 from there. Even if we didn't buy it, it was advertised for the Russian arms industry. Many countries are currently trying to buy the S400 and Su57.

America is now threatening us with the economy. The world is no longer the world at the time of Marshall aid. The Chinese economy is larger than the American economy once again, just as it was 150 years ago. do you think we can't get credit from China if we give up on America? In this case, if large companies use Yuan instead of dollar, which country will suffer the most?

As we say countlessly, the American economy and sovereignty over the world have ended due to its misconceptions about other countries and have started to collapse. But unfortunately, instead of protecting their friends and choosing to rise again with them, they prefer to drag them into destruction. Sorry, we're not in this game. this operation is proof that we are not in this game.

First off: you don't know who is terrorist and who is not.  Not most of them.  Why?  Because a terrorist looks like a civillian.  They don't wear uniforms or march in the country.  They have a home, a family, a job.  They go to mosque and the market.  They dress like everyone else.  Find them, if you can. 

Secondly: learn from America: fighting terrorists doesn't work if you mainly blow shit up.  Look at America.  18 years and we STILL haven't "won".  Because every bomb is propoganda for the enemy.

Third: those Kurd terrorists are our friends yet aren't you happy America isn't standing by them?

The issue isn't Turkey wanting to fight terrorists.  The issue is Turkey invading Syria to do it.

No, we are not ,nvading Syria. Syria has declared SDF a terrorist organization who holds the north east of Syria. This gives us a legimate fight against terrorism. USA has no right of talk in this issue. SDF isn't USA's ally. ISIS was not the enemy of USA but enemy of Syrian and Turkish people. Hence, we know who is terrorist and who is not. If they haven't gun so who is fighting to our soldiers?

Stop to be seem funny and learn the reality. We are the reality of this region. Soon or later, this terrorist group will be completely destroyed. And do you know what Iran wants? Yeah, Iran, so called the most enemy of Israel and USA wants Turkey off to Syria. But USA which everytime does the opposite what Iran say, this time support it. Was not Iran terrorist according to USA? So do you happy to be in same side of all terrorists, and all legimate countries are fighting against terrorism.

USA national interest is a lie, it means interest of a group petrol company. We don't care it.
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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2019, 10:22:52 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-to-send-additional-troops-to-saudi-arabia-to-boost-defenses-against-iran/2019/10/11/7b8c8de6-ec42-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html

Okay.  That's where the troops are going.

It does kind of make sense.  Technically those oil fields did help us out in ww2.

I think this is not relevant with ISIS, YPG or kurd interests, right?  ;)
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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2019, 10:28:17 AM »
Who cares? let them kill each other.

Its never going to stop.


The EU wants to bring ISIS captives here for trails and to keep them from doing any harm.

Why? Who cares if they get the death penality at local trails, and kill more of their own there?


I wish the western world would stop trying to be the global police and bring dangerous people here.
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« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2019, 10:49:50 AM »
Who cares? let them kill each other.

Its never going to stop.


The EU wants to bring ISIS captives here for trails and to keep them from doing any harm.

Why? Who cares if they get the death penality at local trails, and kill more of their own there?


I wish the western world would stop trying to be the global police and bring dangerous people here.

I don't necessarily disagree with the premise. It's just the unintended side effects.

For example, Erdogan has threatened to kick out all of the Syrian refugees that Turkey is hosting if anyone calls this al invasion. 

Conflicts have a habit of causing collateral damage in unexpected places.
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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2019, 11:16:56 AM »
The bulk of Syrian refugees will never contribute meaningfully to society. In fact, they will be on housing, child, economical, medical and job support for a large part of their lives.

What are we suppose to do with them here? Send them back to their country?

I've heard people at my job say we should line them up and get rid of them for 60 cents a pop.

That is taking it too far...
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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2019, 01:18:20 PM »
https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-syria-turkey-1464727

Turkey has "unintentionally" bombed US special forces.
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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2019, 01:34:24 PM »
Time to destroy their economy again!
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2019, 02:20:19 PM »
https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-syria-turkey-1464727
Turkey has "unintentionally" bombed US special forces.
Do you believe everything you read? On the one hand, The Americans said they had already withdrawn their troops. On the other hand, there are systems installed to prevent such mistakes. So this is technically not so possible. Who did Turkish army bomb? The ghosts of the Americans?
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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2019, 03:45:32 PM »
Looks like ISIS prisoners are already starting to escape:
Five Isis militants have broken out of a prison in northern Syria after Turkish shelling nearby, a spokesman in the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) has said.
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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2019, 03:46:22 PM »
https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-syria-turkey-1464727
Turkey has "unintentionally" bombed US special forces.
Do you believe everything you read? On the one hand, The Americans said they had already withdrawn their troops. On the other hand, there are systems installed to prevent such mistakes. So this is technically not so possible. Who did Turkish army bomb? The ghosts of the Americans?
They bombed the US special forces soldiers who had not been withdrawn from the area yet, obviously. Just because Trump says we are withdrawing, doesn't mean it happens the day he says it. Those sorts of things take time to coordinate.
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« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2019, 05:07:31 PM »
https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-syria-turkey-1464727
Turkey has "unintentionally" bombed US special forces.
Do you believe everything you read? On the one hand, The Americans said they had already withdrawn their troops. On the other hand, there are systems installed to prevent such mistakes. So this is technically not so possible. Who did Turkish army bomb? The ghosts of the Americans?
They bombed the US special forces soldiers who had not been withdrawn from the area yet, obviously. Just because Trump says we are withdrawing, doesn't mean it happens the day he says it. Those sorts of things take time to coordinate.

The Turks are saying that they were targetting YPG positions  1000m from the US Special Forces location. 

As much as I disagree with the Turkish action,  the US has dropped the ball and shit all over the Kurds,  they now need to just fuck off out of there.

Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2019, 09:47:43 PM »
Looks like ISIS prisoners are already starting to escape:
Five Isis militants have broken out of a prison in northern Syria after Turkish shelling nearby, a spokesman in the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) has said.

SDF is releasing them for black propaganda. The message here, if a terrorist organization SDF ends, then another and more dangereous terrorist organization comes. Don't buy SDF's wolf ticket.
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« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2019, 09:53:55 PM »

They bombed the US special forces soldiers who had not been withdrawn from the area yet, obviously. Just because Trump says we are withdrawing, doesn't mean it happens the day he says it. Those sorts of things take time to coordinate.

Trump said they had a total of 50 soldiers in the area and that they had withdrawn them all. it means that there are no soldiers there. however, if there were soldiers, this operation would be done again. They may have used their American presence. Maybe they took a bribe. We can't follow all the asses of American soldiers. They had to stay far to bombardment area. If you don't want the bomb to fall on you, you shouldn't stand near where you know the bomb will fall. if there is an american so there the purpose is different. kobani is a big city, it is natural to have people from every country. Can not we bomb terrorist bases because there's an American near it?

We are also not afraid of American threats. We can continue our military security with Russia and our economic security with China. we are working on this. we are working seriously on this issue. If America imposes sanctions, other options will come into play. in this case Turkey and Iran come closer. this would render the sanctions imposed on Iran meaningless. Inother say, Iran finds a new supporter then creates nuclear bombs. This turns to Israel makes it a history.

 making sanctions to Turkey is meaning America making sanctions to itself.
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« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2019, 10:38:36 PM »
We pick sides. Human nature.
Comes a time we need reevaluate.

Why are we throwing tons of cash and dead boys at this problem?

Tradition?

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« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2019, 11:12:00 PM »
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Can not we bomb terrorist bases because there's an American near it?
I think you shouldn't bomb terrorist bases if non-terrorists are nearby, but I doubt anyone cares anymore.
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« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2019, 01:10:16 AM »
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Can not we bomb terrorist bases because there's an American near it?
I think you shouldn't bomb terrorist bases if non-terrorists are nearby, but I doubt anyone cares anymore.

civilians always die during battle. sometimes they are really civilians, sometimes terrorists wearing civilian clothes. The soldier cannot distinguish them. This is an ISIS terrorist. How can you be sure someone stays close to terrorists whether a terrorist or a civilian.


An ISIS terrorist.


A Pkk terrorist wearing woman clothes.
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« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2019, 01:31:44 AM »
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Can not we bomb terrorist bases because there's an American near it?
I think you shouldn't bomb terrorist bases if non-terrorists are nearby, but I doubt anyone cares anymore.

civilians always die during battle. sometimes they are really civilians, sometimes terrorists wearing civilian clothes. The soldier cannot distinguish them. This is an ISIS terrorist. How can you be sure someone stays close to terrorists whether a terrorist or a civilian.


An ISIS terrorist.


A Pkk terrorist wearing woman clothes.

You can't.  Which is my point.
This should be treated like fighting a gang or a criminal agency, not a national army.
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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2019, 08:18:59 AM »
Looks like ISIS prisoners are already starting to escape:
Five Isis militants have broken out of a prison in northern Syria after Turkish shelling nearby, a spokesman in the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) has said.

SDF is releasing them for black propaganda. The message here, if a terrorist organization SDF ends, then another and more dangereous terrorist organization comes. Don't buy SDF's wolf ticket.
If Turkey wants to establish a "safe zone" in an area that has 10,000 ISIS terrorists locked up, then those 10,000 ISIS terrorists become Turkey's problem.
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« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2019, 08:43:30 AM »
Looks like ISIS prisoners are already starting to escape:
Five Isis militants have broken out of a prison in northern Syria after Turkish shelling nearby, a spokesman in the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) has said.

SDF is releasing them for black propaganda. The message here, if a terrorist organization SDF ends, then another and more dangereous terrorist organization comes. Don't buy SDF's wolf ticket.
If Turkey wants to establish a "safe zone" in an area that has 10,000 ISIS terrorists locked up, then those 10,000 ISIS terrorists become Turkey's problem.

Why are 10000 ISIS terrorists you mentioned not a problem for SDF? If it is a problem so it is one of our problems. 5 millions of people were living there now in our country. we know that, there is a possiblity America will release these terrorists and to blame the Turkey. Unfortunately, these and similar approaches lead us to find new friends. we said before, we see the same things as the Americans analyze. The Americans think that they can fool us and change what we do for our own good by accepting what is actually good for them. no. of course we know what is good for us.

SDF, Pkk, Isis, al qaeda or fetö, all have been backed by USA in a way or other. Americans think they can trick the world with the media. this is not possible now. people do not receive the news from the media, they communicate among themselves. People say Americans do bad things. so far I have not come across anyone who says the Americans are good. Anti Americans are 90% in my country. This is the worst of all countries and similar to reputation of terrorist organizations.  and unfortunately america is becoming more and more disagreeable every time, rather than changing that perception and trying to regain its reputation.
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Re: Turkish Army Entering Syria
« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2019, 09:10:01 AM »
Why are 10000 ISIS terrorists you mentioned not a problem for SDF?
Because SDF is not invading someone else's country to establish a "safe zone" where 10,000 ISIS terrorists happen to be held prisoner.

Why can't Turkey establish the safe zone on their side of the border instead of Syria's side?
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« Reply #58 on: October 13, 2019, 02:13:53 AM »
Why are 10000 ISIS terrorists you mentioned not a problem for SDF?
Because SDF is not invading someone else's country to establish a "safe zone" where 10,000 ISIS terrorists happen to be held prisoner.
Why can't Turkey establish the safe zone on their side of the border instead of Syria's side?

Establishing a safe zone does not magically cause prisoners released. Your argument is not valid. This is the place where terrorists come, hence safe zone has to be in their country. This is not a problem for Syrian government, what a relevant Americans interest it so much?
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« Reply #59 on: October 13, 2019, 06:26:58 AM »
Why are 10000 ISIS terrorists you mentioned not a problem for SDF?
Because SDF is not invading someone else's country to establish a "safe zone" where 10,000 ISIS terrorists happen to be held prisoner.
Why can't Turkey establish the safe zone on their side of the border instead of Syria's side?

Establishing a safe zone does not magically cause prisoners released. Your argument is not valid. This is the place where terrorists come, hence safe zone has to be in their country. This is not a problem for Syrian government, what a relevant Americans interest it so much?

1.  It kind of does.  Take away the wardens and eventually the inmates will find a way out.

2.  What interest does America have in keeping 10,000 Isis fighters kept locked away...
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