Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System

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Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« on: October 01, 2019, 09:20:26 AM »
Houston has a great number of problems that prove there is no Heliocentric System. This first post is just one.
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There is a dome and rockets coming into contact with it creates a visual effect for all to see.

As you view the following video, consider it with these questions.

What would be the visual effects of a malfunctioning rocket hitting a water like (structure) Dome?

What are the visual effects of something entering water vertically?

What are the visual effects of a boat skimming the water?

Think about it all with common sense.
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Now you really know why a rocket has to curve soon after liftoff.

7 Rockets Reach & Hit The Firmament! Better Known As Dome

« Last Edit: October 01, 2019, 04:00:10 PM by Plat Terra »
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Re: Houston, we have made contact with the Dome
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2019, 09:31:48 AM »
What "done"??
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Re: Houston, we have made contact with the Dome
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2019, 09:48:31 AM »
Do we, Flat Earthers, know why Globies have to act dumb when confronted with something they can't explain with logic?
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: Houston, we have made contact with the Dome
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2019, 09:51:06 AM »
Basic principles of rocket flight, its called a gravity turn. Low attack angle means the majority of thrust, and therefore fuel, can be used for acceleration and not turning manoeuvre. You don't fly straight up and turn left at desired orbit.

I assume these are not faked CGI videos from NASA force?

If not nice shot of the globe in there ta
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Re: Houston, we have made contact with the Dome
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2019, 11:11:20 AM »
Do we, Flat Earthers, know why Globies have to act dumb when confronted with something they can't explain with logic?

Tell me why RE should bother explaining anything to you?

Every single "issue" you have presented has been quickly and thoroughly explained. Yet you completely ignore that, and simply move on to the next yootoob video or your latest meme.


Anyway, I watched up to #5.

I saw a couple amateure rockets deploy a de-spin system, and a couple major launches staging and following an orbital insertion trajectory.

Nothing hit any dome.
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Re: Houston, we have made contact with the Dome
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2019, 11:12:06 AM »
So have you determined the height of the dome? One part of the video claims one rocket hits it 73 miles up. Doesn't that seem relatively low to you? Do you claim the dome is made of unsupported water? What holds it up? How much water? What happened to the rockets afterward? If they came down, why? What allows them to 'fall' out of the 'firmament' without pulling down the 'firmament' as well? If the Sun, Moon and Stars are above the Firmament, how can we still see them with such clarity?

How's the fishing up there?
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Re: Houston, we have made contact with the Dome
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2019, 01:17:08 PM »
Do we, Flat Earthers, know why Globies have to act dumb when confronted with something they can't explain with logic?

No, you, a particular Flat Earther, is yet again suffering from what's known as "YouTube Search Results Cognitive Dissonance Syndrome".

Logic Explained:

Rocket #1: mak3m explained.

Rocket #2: I have no idea what that is supposed be trying to show, but it is showing nothing.

Rocket #3 in your video. It's moving at 2000 m/s. If it hit something at that speed, anything, be it a hard or magically suspended water dome, it would disintegrate on impact. It doesn't. In the video, the original footage at mark 2:01, it says "YoYo Despin". Through the wonders of modern rocketry and Yo-Yo physics, the despin mechanism, outstretched cables with weights attached, are deployed counteracting the spin of the rocket, hence YoYo Despin. Look it up.

Same for rocket #4 in the video. This same footage was used by an FEr where he too thought it hit a dome. He realized it didn't. Here's his follow-up to his original video he made explaining that he was wrong. As are you:



Rocket #5: More nonsense. See #1

Rocket #6: Goodness, the nonsense keeps piling on, see #5 & #1.

Rocket 7#: Looks like a failed launch.

A little more about rocketry:







No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. We've made contact with the Dome
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2019, 01:32:30 PM »
Yet another fail from Plat Terra. On to the next gish gallop!

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Plat Terra

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2019, 02:45:13 PM »
What are the visual effects of a malfunctioning rocket hitting the Dome?

What are the visual effects of something entering water vertically?

What are the visual effects of a boat skimming the water?

Think about it all with common sense.
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Now you really know why a rocket has to curve soon after liftoff.

7 Rockets Reach & Hit The Firmament! Better Known As Dome



Are there any more in the Globe Community here, who would also like to ignore other key points in my first post and in relation the video?

I don't care if you think there is no Dome. The visual effects are there.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2019, 02:54:58 PM »
I don't know what amuses me more: That you changed the title of your thread, or that it has absolutely nothing in common with your first post now.
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I don't know what amuses me more: That you changed the title of your thread, or that it has absolutely nothing in common with your first post now.

LOL WTF

Can I suggest a further change "Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System (Because Reasons)"
You have to learn to reply without quoting a long previous answer.

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2019, 03:19:46 PM »
What are the visual effects of a malfunctioning rocket hitting the Dome?

What are the visual effects of something entering water vertically?

What are the visual effects of a boat skimming the water?

Think about it all with common sense.
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Now you really know why a rocket has to curve soon after liftoff.

7 Rockets Reach & Hit The Firmament! Better Known As Dome



Are there any more in the Globe Community here, who would also like to ignore other key points in my first post and in relation the video?

I don't care if you think there is no Dome. The visual effects are there.

You haven't made any key points for the Globe Community to address or ignore. But your video has been overwhelmingly refuted.
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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EvolvedMantisShrimp

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2019, 03:41:32 PM »
Think about it all with common sense.
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On the subject of common sense:

What would keep a dome of water in place?

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2019, 03:51:41 PM »
Now you really know why a rocket has to curve soon after liftoff.
Not all rockets curve after liftoff.  Sounding rockets pretty much go straight up and come straight down. 
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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2019, 04:13:35 PM »
What are the visual effects of a malfunctioning rocket hitting the Dome?

What are the visual effects of something entering water vertically?

What are the visual effects of a boat skimming the water?

Think about it all with common sense.
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Now you really know why a rocket has to curve soon after liftoff.

7 Rockets Reach & Hit The Firmament! Better Known As Dome



Are there any more in the Globe Community here, who would also like to ignore other key points in my first post and in relation the video?

I don't care if you think there is no Dome. The visual effects are there.

You haven't made any key points for the Globe Community to address or ignore. But your video has been overwhelmingly refuted.

We all see what you overwhelmingly ignore, and you refuted nothing.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Plat Terra

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2019, 04:25:47 PM »
The trails of Haley’s Comet make much more sense now.



« Last Edit: October 01, 2019, 04:57:22 PM by Plat Terra »
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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2019, 05:14:49 PM »
More sense than what?

You think that the possibility of it careening through a dome of water at 70km per second leaving a wake rather than collapsing under the effects of its own cavitation makes more sense than it leaving a trail of vapor and particulates due to its proximity to the Sun?


Edit: By the way, where does Halley's Comet come from/go between visits?
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Plat Terra

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2019, 05:20:27 PM »
More sense than what?

You think that the possibility of it careening through a dome of water at 70km per second leaving a wake rather than collapsing under the effects of its own cavitation makes more sense than it leaving a trail of vapor and particulates due to its proximity to the Sun?


Edit: By the way, where does Halley's Comet come from/go between visits?

No one said it was going into the dome. The boat is built to skimming the water. It's not falling apart.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2019, 05:20:45 PM »
What are the visual effects of a malfunctioning rocket hitting the Dome?

What are the visual effects of something entering water vertically?

What are the visual effects of a boat skimming the water?

Think about it all with common sense.
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Now you really know why a rocket has to curve soon after liftoff.

7 Rockets Reach & Hit The Firmament! Better Known As Dome



Are there any more in the Globe Community here, who would also like to ignore other key points in my first post and in relation the video?

I don't care if you think there is no Dome. The visual effects are there.

You haven't made any key points for the Globe Community to address or ignore. But your video has been overwhelmingly refuted.

We all see what you overwhelmingly ignore, and you refuted nothing.

Actually we did refute everything, you must have missed it. Here it is again:

Rocket #1: mak3m explained.

Rocket #2: I have no idea what that is supposed be trying to show, but it is showing nothing.

Rocket #3 in your video. It's moving at 2000 m/s. If it hit something at that speed, anything, be it a hard or magically suspended water dome, it would disintegrate on impact. It doesn't. In the video, the original footage at mark 2:01, it says "YoYo Despin". Through the wonders of modern rocketry and Yo-Yo physics, the despin mechanism, outstretched cables with weights attached, are deployed counteracting the spin of the rocket, hence YoYo Despin. Look it up.

Same for rocket #4 in the video. This same footage was used by an FEr where he too thought it hit a dome. He realized it didn't. Here's his follow-up to his original video he made explaining that he was wrong. As are you:



Rocket #5: More nonsense. See #1

Rocket #6: Goodness, the nonsense keeps piling on, see #5 & #1.

Rocket 7#: Looks like a failed launch.
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2019, 05:24:13 PM »
The trails of Haley’s Comet make much more sense now.


Now this is just silly.  Seriously, speedboats and some globule to represent Venus?

You can look for yourself at venus through a telescope. It looks like this:


Caption: The bizarre and hellish atmosphere of Venus wafts around the planet's surface in this false-color image from the Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency's Akatsuki spacecraft. Citizen scientist Kevin Gill processed the image using infrared and ultraviolet views captured by Akatsuki on Nov. 20, 2016. (Image: © Kevil Gill/JAXA/ISAS/DARTS/Flickr)
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2019, 05:28:28 PM »
More sense than what?

You think that the possibility of it careening through a dome of water at 70km per second leaving a wake rather than collapsing under the effects of its own cavitation makes more sense than it leaving a trail of vapor and particulates due to its proximity to the Sun?


Edit: By the way, where does Halley's Comet come from/go between visits?

No one said it was going into the dome. The boat is built to skimming the water. It's not falling apart.
The boat isn't going Mach 200.
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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2019, 05:37:10 PM »
More sense than what?

You think that the possibility of it careening through a dome of water at 70km per second leaving a wake rather than collapsing under the effects of its own cavitation makes more sense than it leaving a trail of vapor and particulates due to its proximity to the Sun?


Edit: By the way, where does Halley's Comet come from/go between visits?

No one said it was going into the dome. The boat is built to skimming the water. It's not falling apart.
The boat isn't going Mach 200.

The Comet is not made of boat materials nor is it going that fast above the real Earth. Scale it down.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2019, 05:44:38 PM »
More sense than what?

You think that the possibility of it careening through a dome of water at 70km per second leaving a wake rather than collapsing under the effects of its own cavitation makes more sense than it leaving a trail of vapor and particulates due to its proximity to the Sun?


Edit: By the way, where does Halley's Comet come from/go between visits?

No one said it was going into the dome. The boat is built to skimming the water. It's not falling apart.
The boat isn't going Mach 200.

The Comet is not made of boat materials nor is it going that fast above the real Earth. Scale it down.
It's made of ice and why? It's speed is well known and easy to extrapolate. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt: Since the return date of Halley's comet has been predictable since 1705, Its current position and speed must be as well known to Flat Earth astronomers as to Round Earth astronomers. So if you know of a different speed for Halley's Comet, now's the time to share it with the rest of the class.
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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2019, 06:01:04 PM »
More sense than what?

You think that the possibility of it careening through a dome of water at 70km per second leaving a wake rather than collapsing under the effects of its own cavitation makes more sense than it leaving a trail of vapor and particulates due to its proximity to the Sun?


Edit: By the way, where does Halley's Comet come from/go between visits?

No one said it was going into the dome. The boat is built to skimming the water. It's not falling apart.
The boat isn't going Mach 200.

The Comet is not made of boat materials nor is it going that fast above the real Earth. Scale it down.
It's made of ice and why? It's speed is well known and easy to extrapolate. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt: Since the return date of Halley's comet has been predictable since 1705, Its current position and speed must be as well known to Flat Earth astronomers as to Round Earth astronomers. So if you know of a different speed for Halley's Comet, now's the time to share it with the rest of the class.

Why don't you share with the rest of the class what caused the ripples in the atmosphere? You know, in the video I posted about a rocket hitting a dome and then ripples are seen.

While you're at it, prove the comet is ICE and can remain ice with the sun shinning on it.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2019, 06:07:22 PM »
More sense than what?

You think that the possibility of it careening through a dome of water at 70km per second leaving a wake rather than collapsing under the effects of its own cavitation makes more sense than it leaving a trail of vapor and particulates due to its proximity to the Sun?


Edit: By the way, where does Halley's Comet come from/go between visits?

No one said it was going into the dome. The boat is built to skimming the water. It's not falling apart.
The boat isn't going Mach 200.

The Comet is not made of boat materials nor is it going that fast above the real Earth. Scale it down.
It's made of ice and why? It's speed is well known and easy to extrapolate. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt: Since the return date of Halley's comet has been predictable since 1705, Its current position and speed must be as well known to Flat Earth astronomers as to Round Earth astronomers. So if you know of a different speed for Halley's Comet, now's the time to share it with the rest of the class.

Why don't you share with the rest of the class what caused the ripples in the atmosphere? You know, in the video I posted about a rocket hitting a dome and then ripples are seen.

While you're at it, prove the comet is ICE and can remain ice with the sun shinning on it.

The rocket didn't hit a dome and therefore, caused no ripples. Your video is too grainy to know for sure, but if I had to guess, I would say there was an outgassing from damage to the rocket.

As far as the composition of Halley's comet, there were two probe missions that passed very close to Halley's Comet during its last trip through the inner solar system. Its composition is primarily ice and volatile hydrocarbons. Look up the Giotto and Vega probes for more information.
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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2019, 06:17:14 PM »
Since I have answered your questions despite you not answering mine, I think it's only fair that I add one more question:

Why does Halley's Comet's tail always point away from the Sun?
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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2019, 06:49:56 PM »
Since I have answered your questions despite you not answering mine, I think it's only fair that I add one more question:

Why does Halley's Comet's tail always point away from the Sun?

What do you mean? If the tail always pointed away from the Sun it would crash into it.

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2019, 06:52:32 PM »
Since I have answered your questions despite you not answering mine, I think it's only fair that I add one more question:

Why does Halley's Comet's tail always point away from the Sun?

What do you mean? If the tail always pointed away from the Sun it would crash into it.

Nevertheless, even when the comet is moving away from the Sun, the tail remains pointing away from the Sun.

Why do you suppose that is?

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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2019, 06:56:16 PM »
Since I have answered your questions despite you not answering mine, I think it's only fair that I add one more question:

Why does Halley's Comet's tail always point away from the Sun?

What do you mean? If the tail always pointed away from the Sun it would crash into it.
Two objects can’t have the same velocity?
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Re: Houston We Have a Problem. There’s No Heliocentric System
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2019, 07:16:08 PM »
Since I have answered your questions despite you not answering mine, I think it's only fair that I add one more question:

Why does Halley's Comet's tail always point away from the Sun?

What do you mean? If the tail always pointed away from the Sun it would crash into it.

Nevertheless, even when the comet is moving away from the Sun, the tail remains pointing away from the Sun.

Why do you suppose that is?



Do you mean an Ice Comet that doesn't melt even being that close to the sun?
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?