Name one, please...

Quote from: rabinoz on September 20, 2019, 04:45:53 AM

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Quote from: rabinoz on September 16, 2019, 02:49:28 PM

Quote from: totallackey on September 16, 2019, 06:36:18 AM

Just a question for all the NASA believers...

Name one particular difference between the scenes of astronauts on the ISS produced by NASA and those scenes of Simon Helberg (playing Howard Wolowitz) on the ISS, produced by Chuck Lorre (The Big Bang Theory).

A 50-minute continuous weightless tour of the ISS:

ONE OF THE MOST DETAILED ISS TOUR!!! from Up, into space!

Try simulating that in a "Vomit Comet"!

Quote from: kopfverderber on September 20, 2019, 09:39:52 AM

You missed half of the answer and the video. I guess you weren't paying attention or you didn't want to see it:

Quote from: kopfverderber on September 17, 2019, 06:26:13 AM

Many real ISS videos are far too long to be filmed in the vomit comet and astronauts move around far too much to be using cables.

There is just no way to fake a weightlessness with astronauts moving around for several minutes in a single take.

Rab and kopfverderber, I do not have the current ability to view the videos you presented, so my apologies.

Is there any firm and substantive evidence the video(s) have not been edited in any way, other than the title?

Just a question for all the NASA believers...

Name one particular difference between the scenes of astronauts on the ISS produced by NASA and those scenes of Simon Helberg (playing Howard Wolowitz) on the ISS, produced by Chuck Lorre (The Big Bang Theory).

A 50-minute continuous weightless tour of the ISS:
ONE OF THE MOST DETAILED ISS TOUR!!! from Up, into space!

Try simulating that in a "Vomit Comet"!

Many real ISS videos are far too long to be filmed in the vomit comet and astronauts move around far too much to be using cables.

There is just no way to fake weightlessness with astronauts moving around for several minutes in a single take.

Rab and kopfverderber, I do not have the current ability to view the videos you presented, so my apologies.

Is there any firm and substantive evidence the video(s) have not been edited in any way, other than the title?

Rab and kopfverderber, I do not have the current ability to view the videos you presented, so my apologies.

Is there any firm and substantive evidence the video(s) have not been edited in any way, other than the title?

Quote from: totallackey on September 23, 2019, 04:08:52 AM

Rab and kopfverderber, I do not have the current ability to view the videos you presented, so my apologies.

There are tons of videos of ISS tours and interviews, so you shouldn't have any trouble finding them yourself.

Quote from: totallackey on September 23, 2019, 04:08:52 AM

Is there any firm and substantive evidence the video(s) have not been edited in any way, other than the title?

You would have to watch the videos and decide for yourself.

Quote from: markjo on September 23, 2019, 06:18:35 AM

Quote from: totallackey on September 23, 2019, 04:08:52 AM

Rab and kopfverderber, I do not have the current ability to view the videos you presented, so my apologies.

There are tons of videos of ISS tours and interviews, so you shouldn't have any trouble finding them yourself.

Quote from: totallackey on September 23, 2019, 04:08:52 AM

Is there any firm and substantive evidence the video(s) have not been edited in any way, other than the title?

You would have to watch the videos and decide for yourself.

I have seen many videos from the ISS with people floating around in front of the cameras. The problem is how the persons inside the ISS arrived there and later departed from it. It is suggested that they used a rocket that took off from Earth one day and then, one way or other, docked with the ISS up in high speed orbit, so they could enter into the ISS and visit the toilet, etc. After showing off inside the ISS, it is suggested that same persons left the ISS inside a spacecraft that took off from the ISS and returned down to Earth via a re-entry. I have never been able to find any information how these transfers Earth/ISS/Earth is possible. Maybe I should start a Challenge about it, How to visit the ISS and return safely to Earth?

Well, I suggest that you find some way to view those videos they are simply videos on YouTube why can't you access those?

This is your OP:

Quote from: totallackey on September 16, 2019, 06:36:18 AM

Just a question for all the NASA believers...

Name one particular difference between the scenes of astronauts on the ISS produced by NASA and those scenes of Simon Helberg (playing Howard Wolowitz) on the ISS, produced by Chuck Lorre (The Big Bang Theory).

In that, you did not ask for, "firm and substantive evidence the video(s) have not been edited in any way"!
So don't go adding new conditions.

In any case this is my reply:

Quote from: rabinoz on September 16, 2019, 02:49:28 PM

A 50-minute continuous weightless tour of the ISS:
ONE OF THE MOST DETAILED ISS TOUR!!! from Up, into space!

Try simulating that in a "Vomit Comet"!

As you might have noted that video showed "A 50-minute continuous weightless tour of the ISS"

And kopfverderber made a similar claim:

Quote from: kopfverderber on September 17, 2019, 06:26:13 AM

Many real ISS videos are far too long to be filmed in the vomit comet and astronauts move around far too much to be using cables.

There is just no way to fake weightlessness with astronauts moving around for several minutes in a single take.

Quote from: Heiwa on September 23, 2019, 08:24:59 AM

Quote from: markjo on September 23, 2019, 06:18:35 AM

Quote from: totallackey on September 23, 2019, 04:08:52 AM

Rab and kopfverderber, I do not have the current ability to view the videos you presented, so my apologies.

There are tons of videos of ISS tours and interviews, so you shouldn't have any trouble finding them yourself.

Quote from: totallackey on September 23, 2019, 04:08:52 AM

Is there any firm and substantive evidence the video(s) have not been edited in any way, other than the title?

You would have to watch the videos and decide for yourself.

I have seen many videos from the ISS with people floating around in front of the cameras. The problem is how the persons inside the ISS arrived there and later departed from it. It is suggested that they used a rocket that took off from Earth one day and then, one way or other, docked with the ISS up in high speed orbit, so they could enter into the ISS and visit the toilet, etc. After showing off inside the ISS, it is suggested that same persons left the ISS inside a spacecraft that took off from the ISS and returned down to Earth via a re-entry. I have never been able to find any information how these transfers Earth/ISS/Earth is possible. Maybe I should start a Challenge about it, How to visit the ISS and return safely to Earth?

There's plenty of information about atmosphere reentry in the internet, it took me less than one minute to find this video:

I know! But it doesn't work.

You are going at 7000 m/s in orbit ... so how do you slow down/brake for landing?

So my conclusion is that all people in the ISS are just actors down on Earth.

I know! But it doesn't work. You are going at 7000 m/s in orbit ... so how do you slow down/brake for landing?

Quote from: Stash on September 20, 2019, 01:55:45 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 20, 2019, 01:34:03 PM

Quote from: Stash on September 20, 2019, 10:48:57 AM

If water is so easy to mimic, why don't you explain how it's done.

To be fair, algorithms for simulating water have gotten much better over the years.  Here's something from 2002:

Oh yeah, totally agree. What we can render these days is basically sorcery, no doubt. But the fact of the matter, to create the interactions, lighting effects, fluidity all within an environment that is hyperrealistic takes gobs of money, time, and artists. All of the ISS footage we see, to fake it, would take gobs of money, time, and artists.

Not to say that it couldn't be done, just seems highly impractical and actually quite pointless. As well, you won't see these types of effects on TBBT because of the aforementioned gobs of money, time, and artists required.

^ Nice claiming going on here!

Nice supporting???...not so much...

Quote from: kopfverderber on September 23, 2019, 08:42:03 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 23, 2019, 08:24:59 AM

Quote from: markjo on September 23, 2019, 06:18:35 AM

Quote from: totallackey on September 23, 2019, 04:08:52 AM

Rab and kopfverderber, I do not have the current ability to view the videos you presented, so my apologies.

There are tons of videos of ISS tours and interviews, so you shouldn't have any trouble finding them yourself.

Quote from: totallackey on September 23, 2019, 04:08:52 AM

Is there any firm and substantive evidence the video(s) have not been edited in any way, other than the title?

You would have to watch the videos and decide for yourself.

I have seen many videos from the ISS with people floating around in front of the cameras. The problem is how the persons inside the ISS arrived there and later departed from it. It is suggested that they used a rocket that took off from Earth one day and then, one way or other, docked with the ISS up in high speed orbit, so they could enter into the ISS and visit the toilet, etc. After showing off inside the ISS, it is suggested that same persons left the ISS inside a spacecraft that took off from the ISS and returned down to Earth via a re-entry. I have never been able to find any information how these transfers Earth/ISS/Earth is possible. Maybe I should start a Challenge about it, How to visit the ISS and return safely to Earth?

There's plenty of information about atmosphere reentry in the internet, it took me less than one minute to find this video:

I know! But it doesn't work. You are going at 7000 m/s in orbit ... so how do you slow down/brake for landing?

So my conclusion is that all people in the ISS are just actors down on Earth.

Quote from: kopfverderber on September 23, 2019, 08:42:03 AM

There's plenty of information about atmosphere reentry on the internet, it took me less than one minute to find this video:

I know! But it doesn't work. You are going at 7000 m/s in orbit ... so how do you slow down/brake for landing?

So my conclusion is that all people in the ISS are just actors down on Earth.

A Closer Look at the Friendship 7 Spacecraft

The heat shield of the Mercury Friendship 7 capsule shows the scars of reentry back into Earth’s atmosphere.
While the heat shield successfully protected the capsule from burning up during reentry, this was not an assured conclusion.
Prior to reentry, NASA Mercury Control became concerned that the heat shield had come loose.
With that in mind, NASA decided to keep a package of three retro-rockets attached to the capsule
—they were originally meant to be jettisoned after they helped slow the capsule during reentry.
The hope was that the straps holding the rockets in place would also help keep the heat shield in place.
After recovering the spacecraft, however, it was determined that the shield was not loose.

Quote from: Heiwa on September 23, 2019, 10:16:15 AM

I know! But it doesn't work.

The over 500 people who have successfully reentered from space say that it does work.

Who let Heiwa out of his thread?

Who let Heiwa out of his thread?

Quote from: totallackey on September 23, 2019, 04:16:37 AM

Quote from: Stash on September 20, 2019, 01:55:45 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 20, 2019, 01:34:03 PM

Quote from: Stash on September 20, 2019, 10:48:57 AM

If water is so easy to mimic, why don't you explain how it's done.

To be fair, algorithms for simulating water have gotten much better over the years.  Here's something from 2002:

Oh yeah, totally agree. What we can render these days is basically sorcery, no doubt. But the fact of the matter, to create the interactions, lighting effects, fluidity all within an environment that is hyperrealistic takes gobs of money, time, and artists. All of the ISS footage we see, to fake it, would take gobs of money, time, and artists.

Not to say that it couldn't be done, just seems highly impractical and actually quite pointless. As well, you won't see these types of effects on TBBT because of the aforementioned gobs of money, time, and artists required.

^ Nice claiming going on here!

Nice supporting???...not so much...

I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Your OP was Name one particular difference between the scenes of astronauts on the ISS & TBBT. You've been offered many. Probably the most explicit is a no-cut 50 minute floating tour of the ISS. And there are 100's of other clips where things are done that are wildly different from anything in your TV show.

So what are you looking for now exactly?

So, I am looking for nothing more.

You stated there really are no objective differences between the things capable of being created for movies and those things claimed to be real, true space events.

Sci Fi fans can be entertained without needing to go to the movies!

You stated there really are no objective differences between the things capable of being created for movies and those things claimed to be real, true space events.

Quote from: Stash on September 23, 2019, 01:25:12 PM

Quote from: totallackey on September 23, 2019, 04:16:37 AM

Quote from: Stash on September 20, 2019, 01:55:45 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 20, 2019, 01:34:03 PM

Quote from: Stash on September 20, 2019, 10:48:57 AM

If water is so easy to mimic, why don't you explain how it's done.

To be fair, algorithms for simulating water have gotten much better over the years.  Here's something from 2002:

Oh yeah, totally agree. What we can render these days is basically sorcery, no doubt. But the fact of the matter, to create the interactions, lighting effects, fluidity all within an environment that is hyperrealistic takes gobs of money, time, and artists. All of the ISS footage we see, to fake it, would take gobs of money, time, and artists.

Not to say that it couldn't be done, just seems highly impractical and actually quite pointless. As well, you won't see these types of effects on TBBT because of the aforementioned gobs of money, time, and artists required.

^ Nice claiming going on here!

Nice supporting???...not so much...

I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Your OP was Name one particular difference between the scenes of astronauts on the ISS & TBBT. You've been offered many. Probably the most explicit is a no-cut 50 minute floating tour of the ISS. And there are 100's of other clips where things are done that are wildly different from anything in your TV show.

So what are you looking for now exactly?

Exactly what you offered...

The admission it is possible to create all of the footage presented on the NASA channel in studios here on earth.

So, I am looking for nothing more.

You stated there really are no objective differences between the things capable of being created for movies and those things claimed to be real, true space events.

Sci Fi fans can be entertained without needing to go to the movies!

Quote from: totallackey on September 25, 2019, 05:28:51 AM

So, I am looking for nothing more.

You stated there really are no objective differences between the things capable of being created for movies and those things claimed to be real, true space events.

Sci Fi fans can be entertained without needing to go to the movies!

And you still have no explanations for the live-streams from the ISS! 

"The things capable of being created for movies" take hours of computer processor time and could not be used to fake "the live-streams from the ISS!"

Bye bye, loser!

Quote from: totallackey on September 25, 2019, 05:28:51 AM

You stated there really are no objective differences between the things capable of being created for movies and those things claimed to be real, true space events.

There may or may not be any objective differences, but there are certainly subjective differences.  The simulated zero-g in movies and on TV just does't look or feel right when compared even to vomit comet zero-g.

Yes a floating water ball can be rendered with a computer. But please notice in the ISS video we can see the astronaut's face and background through the bubble and how the image changes and is deformed as the water bubble changes shape and position. I'm not sure that can be done so realistically with today CGI, maybe you can share a video where this is done, so the question is settled.

However your biggest problem is not the water bubble, but zero-g videos where the astronauts move everywhere around the station for many minutes. I'm still waiting for you to explain how these videos are done.

Quote from: markjo on September 25, 2019, 06:27:11 AM

Quote from: totallackey on September 25, 2019, 05:28:51 AM

You stated there really are no objective differences between the things capable of being created for movies and those things claimed to be real, true space events.

There may or may not be any objective differences, but there are certainly subjective differences.  The simulated zero-g in movies and on TV just does't look or feel right when compared even to vomit comet zero-g.

Objective differences also serve as subjective differences.

Quote from: kopfverderber on September 25, 2019, 08:04:31 AM

Yes a floating water ball can be rendered with a computer. But please notice in the ISS video we can see the astronaut's face and background through the bubble and how the image changes and is deformed as the water bubble changes shape and position. I'm not sure that can be done so realistically with today CGI, maybe you can share a video where this is done, so the question is settled.

However your biggest problem is not the water bubble, but zero-g videos where the astronauts move everywhere around the station for many minutes. I'm still waiting for you to explain how these videos are done.

I do not need to explain how they are done.

The fact is... it can be done.

Quote from: rabinoz on September 25, 2019, 05:49:30 AM

Quote from: totallackey on September 25, 2019, 05:28:51 AM

So, I am looking for nothing more.

You stated there really are no objective differences between the things capable of being created for movies and those things claimed to be real, true space events.

Sci Fi fans can be entertained without needing to go to the movies!

And you still have no explanations for the live-streams from the ISS! 

"The things capable of being created for movies" take hours of computer processor time and could not be used to fake "the live-streams from the ISS!"

Bye bye, loser!

No explanation?

How's about marketing said "live stream," as a live stream, when in fact, it is no live stream.

That seems both plausible and possible.

Quote from: Stash on September 23, 2019, 01:25:12 PM

Quote from: totallackey on September 23, 2019, 04:16:37 AM

Quote from: Stash on September 20, 2019, 01:55:45 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 20, 2019, 01:34:03 PM

Quote from: Stash on September 20, 2019, 10:48:57 AM

If water is so easy to mimic, why don't you explain how it's done.

To be fair, algorithms for simulating water have gotten much better over the years.  Here's something from 2002:

Oh yeah, totally agree. What we can render these days is basically sorcery, no doubt. But the fact of the matter, to create the interactions, lighting effects, fluidity all within an environment that is hyperrealistic takes gobs of money, time, and artists. All of the ISS footage we see, to fake it, would take gobs of money, time, and artists.

Not to say that it couldn't be done, just seems highly impractical and actually quite pointless. As well, you won't see these types of effects on TBBT because of the aforementioned gobs of money, time, and artists required.

^ Nice claiming going on here!

Nice supporting???...not so much...

I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Your OP was Name one particular difference between the scenes of astronauts on the ISS & TBBT. You've been offered many. Probably the most explicit is a no-cut 50 minute floating tour of the ISS. And there are 100's of other clips where things are done that are wildly different from anything in your TV show.

So what are you looking for now exactly?

Exactly what you offered...

The admission it is possible to create all of the footage presented on the NASA channel in studios here on earth.

So, I am looking for nothing more.

You stated there really are no objective differences between the things capable of being created for movies and those things claimed to be real, true space events.

Sci Fi fans can be entertained without needing to go to the movies!