There are still two Flat Earth Societies

Retired life.

He's worked for decades. His whole life, now can retire and enjoy the small fortune he's probably amassed but then chooses to..... spam a flat earth forum? Doesn't add up.

If you really felt it was all so useless you wouldn't be so obsessed with FE. You've spent 295 days (actual time online) on this forum alone.

The hallmark of a paid shill.

Yet, no one does anything about it.

On Dubay's ifers forum the two paid shills, rabinoz and jackblack, wouldn't last for half an hour, on the other forum they would be banned right away.

What is it going to be? You are going to wait until these two shills reach a total of 500 days spent online here on this forum? Trolling and spamming each and every thread on a daily basis?

Perhaps you have noticed that we, the FE, no longer defend FET on this forum: since you won't listen to us, pretty soon you also won't have a forum to moderate or to administrate; without our input, there will be nothing going on here. Perhaps we will post in the believers section now and then, but nothing else.

How long do you think it takes me to demolish their arguments here? Less than 30 seconds, yet they are able to use both trolling and spamming tricks in order to survive the discussions. At this point in time, on any other forum, you'd have the mods step in and let these two shills know that they cannot use spamming techniques to get away from acknowledging that they are wrong.

It is a no-win situation for the FES: no one else would allow these two shills to reach 300 days of combined time spent online, to wreak havoc and derail each and every thread with daily denials.

The way I see it.

rabinoz and Jack Black are round earth shills whose job it is to disrupt discussion and veer people away from the truth. Ban deserved

or

rabinoz and Jack Black (rab in particular) are sad, pathetic old men who need a life and should be spending quality time with their families. Ban needed/for their own good

Either way, ban them. It's good for them, good for the flat earth society or perhaps even both! Win all round

The way I see it.

rabinoz and Jack Black are round earth shills whose job it is to disrupt discussion and veer people away from the truth. Ban deserved

or

rabinoz and Jack Black (rab in particular) are sad, pathetic old men who need a life and should be spending quality time with their families. Ban needed/for their own good

Either way, ban them. It's good for them, good for the flat earth society or perhaps even both! Win all round

And what useful material do you post either in support of the flat earth or against it?

Banning anyone you disagree with is Eric Dubay's approach but it seems quite out of line with a site supposed to being open to "free-thinkers".

You are no free thinker.

You are here to deny on a daily basis, nothing else: by now a combined online time of 295 days.

No free thinking: just spamming and trolling.

Question: why does the FES put up with this kind of nonsense, since one very obvious outcome is that you will no longer see us defend FET in the upper forums? Would you, the mods and admin, take part in "debates" where you are trolled and have to deal with constant spamming, which are against the rules?

You are no free thinker.

And what gives you the right to claim to know what I think?

You are here to deny on a daily basis, nothing else: by now a combined online time of 295 days.

No free thinking: just spamming and trolling.

What spamming and trolling? I post what I believe and I'm not influenced by any other person or group.
If I believe that a post it incorrect I will often try to show why I believe it is incorrect. You or others can disagree if you wish.

Question: why does the FES put up with this kind of nonsense, since one very obvious outcome is that you will no longer see us defend FET in the upper forums? Would you, the mods and admin, take part in "debates" where you are trolled and have to deal with constant spamming, which are against the rules?

The mods and admins will have to answer that.

But you and others could simply ignore what I say.
Haven't you heard of the "ignore" option? Wise uses the ignore option for a number of people, as do I.

You could try to convince even other flat earthers of your flat earth ideas and chronology or won't they listen to you either?

You "try to show" using spamming methods.

Without this constant spamming, you'd have nothing left to say here.

You are using this forum as a vehicle for indoctrination, through constant fisking of others' messages, and spamming.

You are here only to deny facts, nothing else.

Your persistent and sustained spamming is the only thing that your messages have to offer.

You are unable to face reality, to accept that you have been defeated, and then you will follow the path of least resistance, offered by the fact that there is practically no moderation here, to spamming.

If the mods would intervene to let you know that you are no longer allowed to break the rules, your presence here would come to an end in no time at all.

You "try to show" using spamming methods.

Without this constant spamming, you'd have nothing left to say here.

You are using this forum as a vehicle for indoctrination, through constant fisking of others' messages, and spamming.

You are here only to deny facts, nothing else.

I might deny what you claim are facts but just because you claim things like:
       a couple of photos are enough to prove that the sun is 600 m in diameter and 15 km above the earth,
       the Deluge occurred some 310 years ago and
       Christ was crucified at Constantinople some 260 years ago
are facts does not make it so.

Your persistent and sustained spamming is the only thing that your messages have to offer.

You are unable to face reality, to accept that you have been defeated,

And who decides that I "have been defeated", you? Just who made you the arbiter of what is "the truth"?

and then you will follow the path of least resistance, offered by the fact that there is practically no moderation here, to spamming.

No, but I do give up sometimes in trying to show just how ridiculous some of you so-called paradoxes are.
Do you want to resume the debate over the different forces on the two ends of an ideal rope again?

If the mods would intervene to let you know that you are no longer allowed to break the rules, your presence here would come to an end in no time at all.

And just why is your opinion on all of this so infallible. Do you claim to be smarter and more knowledgeable than anybody else?

Quote from: sandokhan on September 27, 2019, 05:10:42 AM

You "try to show" using spamming methods.

Without this constant spamming, you'd have nothing left to say here.

You are using this forum as a vehicle for indoctrination, through constant fisking of others' messages, and spamming.

You are here only to deny facts, nothing else.

I might deny what you claim are facts but just because you claim things like:
       a couple of photos are enough to prove that the sun is 600 m in diameter and 15 km above the earth,
       the Deluge occurred some 310 years ago and
       Christ was crucified at Constantinople some 260 years ago
are facts does not make it so.

Quote from: sandokhan

Your persistent and sustained spamming is the only thing that your messages have to offer.

You are unable to face reality, to accept that you have been defeated,

And who decides that I "have been defeated", you? Just who made you the arbiter of what is "the truth"?

Quote from: sandokhan

and then you will follow the path of least resistance, offered by the fact that there is practically no moderation here, to spamming.

No, but I do give up sometimes in trying to show just how ridiculous some of you so-called paradoxes are.
Do you want to resume the debate over the different forces on the two ends of an ideal rope again?

Quote from: sandokhan

If the mods would intervene to let you know that you are no longer allowed to break the rules, your presence here would come to an end in no time at all.

And just why is your opinion on all of this so infallible. Do you claim to be smarter and more knowledgeable than anybody else?

rab. I have a message from your wife. She says it's nearly 11pm and she wants you to go to bed because whenever you go to bed late you always wake up cranky.

It's time to turn off the computer and go see your wife rab. Your marriage is dissolving right before your eyes and you cant even see it because of your obsession with the flat earth

You have been here online for 295 days.

Your contribution to this forum: constant denial, fisking of others' messages, spamming.

Your scientific credibility is absolutely zero here: everyone can see your amateurish subterfuges which however are condoned by the mods.

There is nothing else but deceit and denial within your messages.

You have tried to debate with me on the very specific claims you mentioned in your previous message: it takes a few seconds to defeat you, that is all.

Once you perceive that you have been defeated, you will resort to the despicable use of spamming, which is forbidden by the rules, and yet the mods do nothing about it.

Without this constant spamming, you would have nothing at all left to say.

You have been here online for 295 days.

Your contribution to this forum: constant denial, fisking of others' messages, spamming.

Your scientific credibility is absolutely zero here: everyone can see your amateurish subterfuges which however are condoned by the mods.

There is nothing else but deceit and denial within your messages.

You have tried to debate with me on the very specific claims you mentioned in your previous message: it takes a few seconds to defeat you, that is all.

Once you perceive that you have been defeated, you will resort to the despicable use of spamming, which is forbidden by the rules, and yet the mods do nothing about it.

Without this constant spamming, you would have nothing at all left to say.

Absolutely fascinating, what i cant work out at the moment is whether you are self aware or not.

You do realise that in your posts above you are describing your behaviour on the forums?

Here you have, in plain view, another obvious example of what we have to deal with on a daily basis.

Obnoxious, condescending messages, most of the time written under an alt.

And no moderation, even though this is a forum which has to be moderated: this kind of outburst has to be sanctioned very fast.

Quote from: rabinoz on September 26, 2019, 02:27:45 PM

Smart Aleck! Is this better?

Quote from: rabinoz on September 25, 2019, 02:39:25 PM

How about some evidence showing that the ordinary high altitude vapour condensation trails are anything more than simply vapour trails?

I see that you think pointing out someone's misconception of a fact is being a smart aleck. Expect to see your behavior called out similarly. And no. High altitude condensation trails are not simply vapor trails. As I said before, water vapor is transparent in the visible.

I suppose it's too much to ask that you would appreciate learning that something you thought was true was a misconception, and that you now had the correct information, and would not continue to repeat over and over something that was not true, rather than snark in reply. But as I've come to learn, you present yourself here as the Corrector-General, the Know-It-All who must be right at all costs, and Lecturer-in-Chief who must spout off on every topic, whether he knows anything about it or not.

Exactly my point.

We are tired of rabinoz' constant fisking and spamming of this forum.

If you don't want to do something about this, then you are going to lose the very meaning of this forum: no more debates, we will not participate anymore in discussions where the RE are allowed to use tons of spamming and trolling and to evade the facts which they are being presented with.

Here you have, in plain view, another obvious example of what we have to deal with on a daily basis.

Obnoxious, condescending messages, most of the time written under an alt.

And no moderation, even though this is a forum which has to be moderated: this kind of outburst has to be sanctioned very fast.

Apologies if I came across condescending, wasn't the intention, its my opinion based on my observation.

A debate amongst people with the exact same opinion is ultimately fruitless, because you disagree with this opinion is not a legitimate reason to report to a moderator.

Your apologies are useless.

Your messages are nothing but logorrheic emptiness, wrapped in a muted disdain for all viewpoints, and amount to a high-school bull session.

Your apologies are useless.

Your messages are nothing but logorrheic emptiness, wrapped in a muted disdain for all viewpoints, and amount to a high-school bull session.

Dont get mad brah

I think the only area we disagree is maths, whenever I demonstrate you cant do it you report me 

It is not rab's opinion that people have a problem with. It's the way he posts them that people have a problem with. He never takes issue with the way angry globularists post, he gleefully joins in no matter how terrible the RE argument is. He never tries to get them to use their brains. Always asspats for their ridicule of FE.

One of the reasons, I contend, that we have two societies in the first place is my role in over-enforcing rules against alts and 'spam' / 'trolling' conversations which didn't sit well with the former residents who were very happy doing so. I tried to clean things up, and it ended up making a much larger mess. I think we eventually got there, one way or the other.

I would be hesitant to do anything like that again, but I am not the moderation staff and they can do as they see fit. If this is really a problem, I'm happy to support the moderators and admins in their decision.

It is not rab's opinion that people have a problem with.

We have problems with those opinions, since rabinoz, the inspector Clouseau of this forum, is not qualified to offer any kind of views on most of the subjects being discussed in the upper forums.

As it is, he has an unrestricted and unrestrained access where none should be offered given his bumbling messages.

It is painfully obvious that most of the technical discussions are way beyond his current level of scientific understanding, yet he persists in trolling and spamming threads where he has no business to post messages.

Perhaps the best solution would be to LIMIT both rabinoz and jackblack to the LOWER forums, even the Technology & Science section should be off-limits to them.

If they have opinion on philosophy and the arts, then they can post there their learned views, but not anywhere else in this forum.

Here is what was stated earlier:

He's worked for decades. His whole life, now can retire and enjoy the small fortune he's probably amassed but then chooses to..... spam a flat earth forum? Doesn't add up.

Eight or even ten hours a day, every day, of constant sabotage of this forum.

Would anyone else allow something like this to go on?

but I am not the moderation staff and they can do as they see fit.

The moderators won't touch rabinoz or jackblack since the mods are RE themselves.

In fact, they are more than happy to see this forum come to a grinding halt.

Ski and Ichimaru Gin come here seldom.

Perhaps we need FE mods who can take care of these sorts of problems.

Should I see a flat earther that I can reasonably trust, I'm happy to promote them to moderator. That said, both boydster and scg identify as flat earthers.

I agree with you that there is a problem; I'll ruminate further on solutions, but a large part of this is the disparity in round earthers vs flat earthers in general here and the zeal at which some round earthers will argue (often against reason, or their own arguments) while after 10 years of this bullshit the flat earthers have learned to let it slide off them, for the most part.

I am strongly against any idea that makes round earthers some sort of 'second class citizen', however. My opinion of Jack and rab are high, though I agree their argumentative style at times is very disruptive to folks like yourself and wise who fall within our actual r'aison d'être - to provide a home and discussion lobby for wayward and free thinkers.

It's not against the rules to be unqualified to have an opinion.

It is the constant spamming these two are spewing forth which is the problem.

They cannot accept defeat, in their own minds, so their last resort is to troll and spam the threads.

Certainly, we the FE, will no longer engage in debates where the RE are allowed to spam the discussions.

As a mod, I would take any decisions to the mods forum, have a consensus, and then implement them.

Both rabinoz and jackblack are sabotaging the forum by negating obvious and very clear proofs, which they will NEVER accept. So from the start, we have here a NO-WIN situation for the FES.

We need technical moderation, that is for someone to step in and let these two know that they will no longer be able to spam the threads: if a certain argument of theirs has already been refuted, they can no longer use it (or variants of it). If they refuse, then it's on to penalties.

I think it speaks volumes about the character of rab to take some flat earthers post and spam replies and crappy arguments in a separate angry ranting thread. If he had any legitimate argument, he could make it to the actual thread

He's using angry ranting as some kind of immunity to get away with spamming and cross posting

If he kept it to angry ranting, it would be fine.

I think it speaks volumes about the character of rab to take some flat earthers post and spam replies and crappy arguments in a separate angry ranting thread. If he had any legitimate argument, he could make it to the actual thread

He's using angry ranting as some kind of immunity to get away with spamming and cross posting

Funny how you seem only able to make personal attacks on others characters but never post a thing useful yourself. I wonder why?

And you're unable to make any posts that aren't an attack on flat earthers, I wonder why. I am seriously considering confining you to Angry Ranting.

It is the constant spamming these two are spewing forth which is the problem.

They cannot accept defeat, in their own minds, so their last resort is to troll and spam the threads.

And who decides when we have been defeated - You? You are hardly in a position to decide who is defeated when you are a participant in the debate.

Certainly, we the FE, will no longer engage in debates where the RE are allowed to spam the discussions.

As a mod, I would take any decisions to the mods forum, have a consensus, and then implement them.

Both rabinoz and jackblack are sabotaging the forum by negating obvious and very clear proofs, which they will NEVER accept. So from the start, we have here a NO-WIN situation for the FES.

In whose opinion are there "obvious and very clear proofs, which they will NEVER accept" - yours? Who made you the ultimate authority?

We need technical moderation,

I wholeheartedly agree but such "technical moderation" would have to include those not biased by a belief in one side or the other.
Not only that but there would have be rules as to what "laws of physics" could legitimately be used in debates.

There are at least two very senior flat earthers here who seemed to have no problem with Gravity being caused by mass.

Infinite Flat Earth
Gravitational Theory
Gravity is caused by mass and creates a finite pull.
Infinite Finite Gravitational Pull and Gauss' Law
American Flat Earth President John Davis and forum administrator jroa came up with the formulation of the gravitational pull of an infinite plane. It follows Gauss's Law for gravitation which states that an infinite slab or plane will have a finite gravitational pull equal to 2π G p h where G is the gravitational constant, p is density, and h is the depth of the slab. As we can see horizontal forces "cancel" out and we are left with a converging sum for vertical components.

Yet most simply deny that. So what would the attitude of this "technical moderation team" to Gravity being caused by mass?

that is for someone to step in and let these two know that they will no longer be able to spam the threads: if a certain argument of theirs has already been refuted, they can no longer use it (or variants of it). If they refuse, then it's on to penalties.

But, as I said before, who decides when "a certain argument . . . has already been refuted"?

rabinoz is an awesome old man with an impressive pedigree.
I am proud to call him a friend.

rab, ease up, there's a hammer 'bout to come down.
You are not martyr material.

Your choice, not mine.

You know exactly what I am saying.

We are left now with jackblack's trolling.

The usual vindictivness.

It remains a pile of refuted garbage.

This is why your derivation amounts to nothing more than pure bovine excrement.

He is attacking the FE right here on our own home turf, days after he was banned for three days for the same kind of behavior, and hours later after his pal was banished to the AR for the same thing.

And he does this with impunity.


Then this:

A fibre optic conveyor, while similar to a Sagnac interferometer, is not one. Its formula is not that for the Sagnac effect.

But the title of the reference is The Sagnac Effect and Pure Geometry

https://web.infn.it/GINGER/administrator/components/com_jresearch/files/publications/sagnac_AJP.pdf

jackblack is barking up the wrong tree: if he has an issue with the formula, he should write to the journal just referenced, and let us know of the response he might get. Otherwise he has two other choices: to leave this forum, or to do something else in his life.

He seems to be just as obsessed as rabinoz is about FE, and he is trying to impose his will on the rest of us.

He has to stop this unceasing trolling and spamming. If he won't do it on his own, then I think it should be seriously considered to have him join his pal in AR.