The RE Community Has a New Enemy

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #90 on: September 11, 2019, 01:06:06 AM »
If the Compton wavelength argument is invalid, his unification theory stands correct.

If... If.. If... If I had to believe all your Ifs I would probably become a flatearther and black sun believer, but I would rather trust what Weyl clearly wrote: "This attempt has failed".

After going through many of your linked documents and quotations, I could verify that many of those papers are not saying anything close to what your posts suggest. I have also seen how you omit important information, like the fact that one author already admitted that the theory you are using "has failed".

You are doing exercise of cherry picking from different modern physics papers  in an attempt to resurrect an old dead theory.

I guess that works well for your followers in this forum, although I question how many of them bother to read all your links and formulas . You should probably thank me for reading your stuff and going through your links, as I'm likely one of the few who bothered to do that.
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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #91 on: September 11, 2019, 02:24:44 AM »
Here is something you can believe in: the BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT.



https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0507082.pdf

Weyl electrovacuum solutions and gauge invariance
Dr. B.V. Ivanov

https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0502047.pdf

On the gravitational field induced by static electromagnetic sources
Dr. B.V Ivanov

The formula was obtained for the first time in 1917 by Hermann Weyl: the electrovacuum solutions.

http://www.jp-petit.org/papers/cosmo/1917-Weyl-en.pdf

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2177463#msg2177463

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2179065#msg2179065


Here is the BIEFELD-BROWN FORCE FORMULA obtained using Weyl's affine connection theory:



Dr. Paul Biefeld did Einstein's homework while both were attending the same university:

http://ttbrown.com/defying_gravity/12_biefeld-brown.html

“Yes,” Biefeld told the Denison campus newspaper, “when Einstein would forget to go to a class, he would come and borrow my notes to get caught up on what he had missed."


Dr. Takaaki Musha
Advanced Space Propulsion Investigation Committee (ASPIC)
Research Engineer on Naval Systems, Technical Research & Development Institute
Honda R&D Institute, Biefeld-Brown effect experiments

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/musha/Musha.pdf

In 1956, T.T. Brown presented a discovery known as the Biefeld-Bown effect (abbreviated B-B effect) that a sufficiently charged capacitor with dielectrics exhibited unidirectional thrust in the direction of the positive plate.

From the 1st of February until the 1st of March in 1996, the research group of the HONDA R&D Institute conducted experiments to verify the B-B effect with an improved experimental device which rejected the influence of corona discharges and electric wind around the capacitor by setting the capacitor in the insulator oil contained within a metallic vessel . . . The experimental results measured by the Honda research group are shown . . .

. . . The theoretical analysis result suggests that the impulsive electric field applied to the dielectric material may produce a sufficient artificial gravity to attain velocities comparable to chemical rockets.


https://web.archive.org/web/20120710005059/http://www.ovaltech.ca/pdfss/Theoretical_Explanation_of_the_Biefield-Brown_Effect.pdf

Experiments carried out at the HONDA R&D Institute


I could verify

The only thing everyone here has had an occasion to verify, first hand, is the vacuity of your beliefs.


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rabinoz

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #92 on: September 11, 2019, 03:06:04 AM »

Dr. Takaaki Musha
Advanced Space Propulsion Investigation Committee (ASPIC)
Research Engineer on Naval Systems, Technical Research & Development Institute
Honda R&D Institute, Biefeld-Brown effect experiments

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/musha/Musha.pdf
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CONCLUSIONS
From the theoretical analysis by the zero-point field theory, it is considered that the origin of the dynamical
Biefeld-Brown effect might be attributed to the interaction of zero-point vacuum fluctuations with high potential electric field impressed to the capacitor. This result suggests that the pulsed electric field applied to the capacitor
may produce artificial gravity sufficient for practical application to the space propulsion technology.

That doesn't sound very conclusive to me!

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In 1956, T.T. Brown presented a discovery known as the Biefeld-Bown effect (abbreviated B-B effect) that a sufficiently charged capacitor with dielectrics exhibited unidirectional thrust in the direction of the positive plate.

From the 1st of February until the 1st of March in 1996, the research group of the HONDA R&D Institute conducted experiments to verify the B-B effect with an improved experimental device which rejected the influence of corona discharges and electric wind around the capacitor by setting the capacitor in the insulator oil contained within a metallic vessel . . . The experimental results measured by the Honda research group are shown . . .

. . . The theoretical analysis result suggests that the impulsive electric field applied to the dielectric material may produce a sufficient artificial gravity to attain velocities comparable to chemical rockets.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120710005059/http://www.ovaltech.ca/pdfss/Theoretical_Explanation_of_the_Biefield-Brown_Effect.pdf
Experiments carried out at the HONDA R&D Institute

Based on  hypotheses!
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THEORETICAL CONSIDERRATION ON THE B-B EFFECT
To explain the B-B effect, the author proposed two hypotheses, Hypothesis(1) and Hypothesis(2), shown as follows:
         Hypothesis(1) : Charged particle under strong electric field generates a new gravitational field ΦA  around itself.
         Hypothesis(2) : Additional equivalent mass due to the electric field is canceled by negative mass generated by the new gravitational field.

And, ". . . The theoretical analysis result suggests that the impulsive electric field applied to the dielectric material may produce a sufficient artificial gravity to attain velocities comparable to chemical rockets."

I don't see anything that might challenge current theories. It's all conjecture with only minute forces measured.

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I could verify

The only thing everyone here has had an occasion to verify, first hand, is the vacuity of your beliefs.

Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #93 on: September 11, 2019, 03:22:28 AM »
Like most of us, when served a heaping bowl of Sandy's copypasta, we just ignore what he posts. But something caught my eye as I scrolled past.


[q]Dr. Paul Biefeld did Einstein's homework while both were attending the same university:

http://ttbrown.com/defying_gravity/12_biefeld-brown.html

“Yes,” Biefeld told the Denison campus newspaper, “when Einstein would forget to go to a class, he would come and borrow my notes to get caught up on what he had missed." [/q]

This is what Sandy wrote up there. Please tell me where that quote shows Paul Biefield did Einstein's homework. When did going through someone's lecture notes to catch up on what you missed become having your homework done by that person?

This is a perfect example of Sandy's reasoning - take something out of context, read personal opinion into it, and pass it off as truth and fact.

Here is something you can believe in: the BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT.



https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0507082.pdf

Weyl electrovacuum solutions and gauge invariance
Dr. B.V. Ivanov

https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0502047.pdf

On the gravitational field induced by static electromagnetic sources
Dr. B.V Ivanov

The formula was obtained for the first time in 1917 by Hermann Weyl: the electrovacuum solutions.

http://www.jp-petit.org/papers/cosmo/1917-Weyl-en.pdf

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2177463#msg2177463

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2179065#msg2179065


Here is the BIEFELD-BROWN FORCE FORMULA obtained using Weyl's affine connection theory:



Dr. Paul Biefeld did Einstein's homework while both were attending the same university:

http://ttbrown.com/defying_gravity/12_biefeld-brown.html

“Yes,” Biefeld told the Denison campus newspaper, “when Einstein would forget to go to a class, he would come and borrow my notes to get caught up on what he had missed."


Dr. Takaaki Musha
Advanced Space Propulsion Investigation Committee (ASPIC)
Research Engineer on Naval Systems, Technical Research & Development Institute
Honda R&D Institute, Biefeld-Brown effect experiments

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/musha/Musha.pdf

In 1956, T.T. Brown presented a discovery known as the Biefeld-Bown effect (abbreviated B-B effect) that a sufficiently charged capacitor with dielectrics exhibited unidirectional thrust in the direction of the positive plate.

From the 1st of February until the 1st of March in 1996, the research group of the HONDA R&D Institute conducted experiments to verify the B-B effect with an improved experimental device which rejected the influence of corona discharges and electric wind around the capacitor by setting the capacitor in the insulator oil contained within a metallic vessel . . . The experimental results measured by the Honda research group are shown . . .

. . . The theoretical analysis result suggests that the impulsive electric field applied to the dielectric material may produce a sufficient artificial gravity to attain velocities comparable to chemical rockets.


https://web.archive.org/web/20120710005059/http://www.ovaltech.ca/pdfss/Theoretical_Explanation_of_the_Biefield-Brown_Effect.pdf

Experiments carried out at the HONDA R&D Institute


I could verify

The only thing everyone here has had an occasion to verify, first hand, is the vacuity of your beliefs.



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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #94 on: September 11, 2019, 03:33:30 AM »
Weyl's formula was FULLY verified for the experiment carried out in Japan, at the Honda R&D Institute.

The plate of the capacitor measured 170 mm. The weight of the capacitor was 62 g.

A 3% weight reduction was recorded.


The scale of this experiment was greatly increased by T. Townsend Brown in 1956, in France.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140602175747/http://projetmontgolfier.info/uploads/Section_2F__Annexe_4.pdf (annex 4.3 describes the positive results obtained in vacuum (vide) using plexiglass and 80 Kv)

Page 100 (pg 11 of the pdf document)



Essais sous vide (vacuum tests)

Le système commence à entrer à rotation vers 80 Kv et en forcant la tension l'on peut parvenir a des rotations de l'ordre de 1 tour/seconde.

The system begins to rotate at 80 Kv and by forcing the tension one can achieve rotations of the order of 1 turn/second.


https://web.archive.org/web/20140602175742/http://projetmontgolfier.info/uploads/Section_2E__Annexes_3.4-3.6.pdf

Essais sous vide (vacuum tests)

On obtient des rotations entretenues a des vitesses de l'ordre des 1 tour/seconde.

We obtain rotations maintained at speeds of the order of 1 turn/second.





Left: Vacuum chamber vessel (1.4 m diameter) for conducting electrogravitic tests. Right: Vessel opened to show test rotor rig within. (photos courtesy of J. Cornillon)


http://www.space-mixing-theory.com/article2.pdf

Exploratory Research on the Phenomenon of the Movement of High Voltage Capacitors
D.R. Buehler

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1502.06915.pdf

On the Anomalous Weight Losses of High Voltage Symmetrical Capacitors
E.B. Porcelli and V.S. Filho

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/2dacap.htm

Test of Nasa patent for thrust using a two dimensional asymmetrical capacitor module

http://jnaudin.online.fr/html/elpex10.htm

http://jnaudin.online.fr/elecpexp/elecpexp.html

Electrostatic pendulum experiment


Now, let increase the scale of the experiment: the B-2 bomber.

"It was revealed in 1992, for example, that the B-2 Bomber used electrostatic charges on its leading wings and exhaust. According to aerospace experts, this was confirmation that the B-2 used electrogravitic principles based on the “Biefeld-Brown Effect”. The Biefeld-Brown Effect is based on the research of Thomas Townsend Brown who in 1928 gained a patent for his practical application of how high voltage electrostatic charges can reduce the weight of objects.

The B-2 bomber employs sufficiently high voltages to significantly reduce its weight. This enables the B-2 and other classified antigravity vehicles to display flight characteristics that appear to defy conventional laws of physics. The key Obama appointee for introducing antigravity technology into the public sector is General Jones.
After retiring from the Marines on February 1, 2007, General Jones served on the Board of Directors of the Boeing Corporation from June 21, 2007 to December 15, 2008. Boeing had been active at least since the early 1990’s in studies to apply antigravity technology for commercial use.

“In 2002, an internal Boeing project called ‘Gravity Research for Advanced Space Propulsion’ (GRASP) had been disclosed to the aerospace industry. A GRASP briefing document obtained by Jane’s Defense Weekly stated Boeing’s position: ‘If gravity modification is real, it will alter the entire aerospace business’”.

“According to a 2008 book by Dr. Paul LaViolette, Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, Boeing completed a separate classified study for the US military of electrogravitic propulsion recently before October 2007. Boeing was rebuffed in its efforts to have such technology declassified and released into the public sector. As a Board Director and member of Boeing’s Finance Committee at the time of the 2007 classified study, General Jones was privy to and supported Boeing’s efforts in antigravity research and development. At the same time that Boeing was actively seeking to develop antigravity technologies for a new generation of aircraft, Jones became President of the Institute for 21st Century Energy. The Institute was created by the US Chamber of Commerce with the following mission: ‘To secure America’s long-term energy security, America must reexamine outdated and entrenched positions, become better informed about the sources of our fuel and power, and make judgments based on facts, sound science, and good American common sense’”

In 1956, a British research company, Aviation Studies (International) Ltd. published a classified report on Electrogravitics Systems examining various aspects of gravity control.  They summarized the pioneering work of Townsend Brown and then described the use of electrogravitic thrust as follows:

        “The essence of electrogravitics thrust is the use of a very strong positive charge on one side of the vehicle and a negative on the other.  The core of the motor is a condenser and the ability of the condenser to hold its charge (the K-number) is the yardstick of performance.  With air as 1, current dielectrical materials can yield 6 and use of barium aluminate can raise this considerably, barium titanium oxide (a baked ceramic) can offer 6,000 and there is a promise of 30,000, which would be sufficient for supersonic speed.”

        In one of their conclusions, based on Brown’s work, they suggested that: “Electrostatic energy sufficient to produce a Mach 3 fighter is possible with megavolt energies and a k of over 10,000.

Aviation Studies (International) Ltd. 1956. Electro-gravitics Systems: An examination of electrostatic motion, dynamic counterbary and barycentric control. p. 14. In Valone, T. (ed.), 1994. Electrogravitics Systems: Reports on a new propulsion methodology. Integrity Research Institute, Washington, DC 20005.



http://archive.aviationweek.com/issue/19920309



"A scientist said other, more dramatic classified technologies are applicable to lasers, aircraft control and propulsion. However, the scientists and engineers were especially hesitant to discuss these projects."

"Besides it would take about 20 hr. to explain the principles, and very few people would understand them anyway."

What he meant is that this aircraft control and propulsion technology is based on physics principles that go beyond what is currently known and understood by the general public as well as most academic physicists.

Here is the data for the B-2 bomber Biefeld-Brown effect.

At sea level the aircraft maintains a voltage differential of 57 million volts, while at an altitude of some 9 km, the voltage differential will measure 20 million volts.

It was Thomas Townsend Brown who also invented the flame-jet generator to extract power out of the ionized exhaust stream.

To get the engine ionizers started, the B-2 bomber has electric generators mechanically driven by the jet turbines.

We have
d=0.5cm
e=1e4 [units] (barium titanate)
V=6.67e4 statvolts
G=6.67e-8 [cgs units]
u=2.7 g/cm^3 (aluminium)
S=4.78e6 cm^2 (wing area of a B2 bomber)

This gives F=2.2e10 dyne [cgs] = 2.2e5 N [SI]
Gravitational force on an empty B2 is 7.1e4*9.81 = 6.8e5 N

So that's around 30% of the force required to lift a B2 bomber directly upwards.

The force from these capacitors is almost the same thrust produced by the main engines.


 u=2.7 g/cm^3 (aluminium)

u refers to the density of the dielectric, which is barium titanate (6.02 g/cm3).

Then, F = 4.906e10 dyne = 4.906e5 N (72%).


It is very possible that the B-2 bomber also uses supercapacitors which greatly increase the force.

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1403/1403.6862.pdf

Then the dielectric constant can be 10^8.

Most likely they have found a way to apply a high voltage to supercapacitors (with solid dielectrics), something that cannot be achieved with the technology available to the public.

https://www.sandia.gov/ess-ssl/EESAT/2009_papers/Proposal%20to%20Build%20Supercapacitors%20Using%20Solid%20Dielectrics.pdf

https://technology.nasa.gov/patent/MFS-TOPS-77

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5512908/



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sandokhan

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #95 on: September 11, 2019, 03:36:10 AM »
Please tell me where that quote shows Paul Biefield did Einstein's homework.

The B-2 bomber uses THE BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT, based on the research carried out by Paul Biefeld and Townsend Brown.

NOT the Einstein equations.

Certainly they used the effect ascribed to the MENTOR, while the PUPIL was ignored.


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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #96 on: September 11, 2019, 03:42:16 AM »
Wow, this thread has been completely "Sanokahned"!

TL:DR
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« Reply #97 on: September 11, 2019, 03:53:42 AM »
Please tell me where that quote shows Paul Biefield did Einstein's homework.

The B-2 bomber uses THE BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT, based on the research carried out by Paul Biefeld and Townsend Brown.

NOT the Einstein equations.

Certainly they used the effect ascribed to the MENTOR, while the PUPIL was ignored.
"The Biefeld-Brown effect is ion wind, nothing to do with gravity. For evidence of this, see how the effect disappears in vacuum."

How does that factor into all this?

But it is an interesting topic, "UFO tech" stealth bombers. Kinda like X-COM.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2019, 03:55:56 AM by rvlvr »

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sandokhan

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #98 on: September 11, 2019, 04:00:27 AM »
"The Biefeld-Brown effect is ion wind, nothing to do with gravity. For evidence of this, see how the effect disappears in vacuum."

Please wake up.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2177463#msg2177463

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2177793#msg2177793

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #99 on: September 11, 2019, 04:06:57 AM »
I am pretty woke, no worries.

Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #100 on: September 11, 2019, 11:28:22 AM »
Yes, aether was an idea for the mechanism of gravity that Newton postulated, but it didn't pan out in the long run. Nonetheless, the proportional to mass and inversely proportional to square of distance part still stands tall.

Let's put your word to the test, as always.

And it shows exactly why the story of the allegory is so important: terrestrial gravity is absolutely linked to electromagnetism.

HERE IS THE EXACT FORMULA FOR THE BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT:



<blah, blah, blah...>

Here is the BIEFELD-BROWN FORCE FORMULA obtained using Weyl's affine connection theory:



Notice the G, described as "the Newton constant" in there? Do you know what that is, what it represents, and how it's determined?

Hint: F = G  m1m2/r2

If you don't understand the implications, I or others can explain them to you.

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So you agree that gravity is attractive after all.

Newton's clear description again:
...

That description includes archaic language and some now-obsolete ideas (they're obsolete because they didn't match the results of experiments conducted to test them). These appear to be confusing you. Newton no doubt believed it, which was understandable given the knowledge of his day, and you may still want to believe it despite hundreds of years of advances in knowledge, but you're clearly wrong.

[Edit to add]
We sure have drifted a long way from the topic, which was photogrammetry. Oh, well. This is typical for discussions here.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2019, 11:32:57 AM by Alpha2Omega »
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sandokhan

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #101 on: September 11, 2019, 12:01:02 PM »
Notice the G, described as "the Newton constant" in there? Do you know what that is, what it represents, and how it's determined?

Do you know what this is, what it represents, and how it's determined?



It is an ANTIGRAVITATIONAL FORCE obtained using the Weyl-Majumdar-Papapetrou-Ivanov electrovacuum solution.

In case you haven't noticed, it acts in the Z DIRECTION, directly opposite to the terrestrial gravitational force.

That is, your formula F = G  m1m2/r2 can be flushed down the toilet right into the sewer system.

As for G, you need to put on your thinking hat: since the antigravitational force is totally caused by the presence of ether, then G is a quantum function and a vacuum repulsion reaction.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2179065#msg2179065

Your incursion here is not going very well for you... since you like to be noticing all sorts of things.

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #102 on: September 11, 2019, 02:26:19 PM »

As for G, you need to put on your thinking hat: since the antigravitational force is totally caused by the presence of ether, then G is a quantum function and a vacuum repulsion reaction.


I looked at those papers by Takaaki Musha and Boyko V. Ivanov and couldn't find a single mention of ether or aether.  Takaaki Musha  seem to be more interested in alternative propulsion technologies for space travel and Ivanov mentions  wormholes and warp drives. Please someone tell these two poor souls that space travel is not possible and the stars are not that far anyway.

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #103 on: September 11, 2019, 03:12:02 PM »
Notice the G, described as "the Newton constant" in there? Do you know what that is, what it represents, and how it's determined?

Do you know what this is, what it represents, and how it's determined?



It is an ANTIGRAVITATIONAL FORCE obtained using the Weyl-Majumdar-Papapetrou-Ivanov electrovacuum solution.
No! Big G, described as "the Newtonian Gravitational Constant"  has been determined by hundreds of experimants similar to the "Cavendish Experiment"!

Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #104 on: September 11, 2019, 05:20:29 PM »
Notice the G, described as "the Newton constant" in there? Do you know what that is, what it represents, and how it's determined?

Do you know what this is, what it represents, and how it's determined?



It is an ANTIGRAVITATIONAL FORCE obtained using the Weyl-Majumdar-Papapetrou-Ivanov electrovacuum solution.

Well, that's one interpretation. Apparently not a very common one, except perhaps among conspiracy theorists. And, of course, some flat-earth believers since they are prone to seek out, latch onto, and hold dear many things that don't fit with well-established, well-tested, and often easily seen principles. That, alone, doesn't mean it's wrong, of course, but it's not strong evidence in favor of it. At all.

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In case you haven't noticed, it acts in the Z DIRECTION, directly opposite to the terrestrial gravitational force.

Woo! Airplane wings and helicopter rotors produce a force in that direction, too, but they're much more effective in making heavy objects fly.

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That is, your formula F = G  m1m2/r2 can be flushed down the toilet right into the sewer system.

Um, nope... It works beautifully in the realm where relativistic effects and quantum effects are small to negligible. Which is to say, almost everything humans deal with in the everyday world, and a lot more, most of the time. Of course it's possible to introduce forces that act in the opposite direction, but those affect the net force on an object, not the the gravitational component of the total force.

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As for G, you need to put on your thinking hat: since the antigravitational force is totally caused by the presence of ether, then G is a quantum function and a vacuum repulsion reaction.

<self-citation>

Since the postulated "antigravitational force" is most likely a misunderstanding (or misrepresentation) of the observed effects, there goes the need for an ether... again.

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Your incursion here is not going very well for you...

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #105 on: September 11, 2019, 09:47:21 PM »
I looked at those papers by Takaaki Musha and Boyko V. Ivanov and couldn't find a single mention of ether or aether.

But you DID.

I told you that you need to sharpen your skills in ether theory.

In fact it is mentioned RIGHT IN THE TITLE OF THE PAPER.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/musha/Musha.pdf

Explanation of dynamical Biefeld-Brown Effect from
the standpoint of ZPF field

ZPF = zero point energy = ether = scalar waves

the author tries to explain this phenomenon by interactions between the zero-point field of the quantum vacuum and the high potential electric field.

From the paper published by Dr. Takaaki Musha:



In fact, the formula features in the paper was obtained by three of the greatest mainstream physicists in the world:

The electrodynamic Hamiltonian of a particle in ZPF (zero point energy field/ether) was obtained for the first time in 1994, and was published in the Physical Review A:

https://journals.aps.org/pra/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevA.49.678

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9069/0be66e03f535dd3b47aeb76ea36bfc3d1909.pdf

Inertia as a zero-point-field Lorentz force
Bernhard Haisch, Alfonso Rueda, and H. E. Puthoff
Phys. Rev. A 49, 678

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #106 on: September 11, 2019, 10:13:16 PM »
Would you listen to anybody discuss the mechanics of the spheres who does not know the elementary physical forces existing in nature? But this is the position adopted by astronomers who acclaim as infallible a celestial mechanics conceived in the 1660s in which electricity and magnetism play not the slightest role.

The answer to your question is, yes, I would.

Unfortunately, you can't.

Here is the VERY IMPORTANT ROLE played by electromagnetism in determining the CAUSE of terrestrial gravity.

A sufficiently charged capacitor with dielectrics exhibits unidirectional thrust in the direction of the positive plate.

For the same mass, and the for the same distance from Earth, there will be AN ANTIGRAVITATIONAL EFFECT FORCE clearly exhibited by the capacitor: a total invalidation of attractive gravity.

Well, that's one interpretation.

You did graduate from high school, right?

The papers by WEYL, MAJUMDAR, AND PAPAPETROU were published in the well-respected journals.

In case you did not know, the following formulas were obtained using the ELECTROVACUUM SOLUTION discovered by Hermann Weyl, the greatest mathematician in the world, 1917-1955:





Here is also the Reissner-Nordstrom solution, also published in the best journals and well-known:

https://archive.org/details/philtrans04375412

Airplane wings and helicopter rotors produce a force in that direction, too, but they're much more effective in making heavy objects fly.

You must be dreaming.

Jet engines were invented by VIKTOR SCHAUBERGER using TORSION FIELD theory:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2044376#msg2044376

It works beautifully in the realm where relativistic effects and quantum effects are small to negligible.

I have just posted a formula WHICH INVALIDATES NEWTON'S USELESS GRAVITATIONAL FORMULA.

It takes A SINGLE COUNTEREXAMPLE TO INVALIDATE A FORMULA OR THEORY.

Newton says that ONLY ATTRACTIVE GRAVITY EXISTS. Nothing else!

A force which provides lift/thrust IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION destroys the premises upon which Newton's formula was built: gravity is totally related to electromagnetism.

Any gravitational interaction is due to the PRESSURE EXERTED BY THE ETHER.

There is no such thing as EINSTEIN'S RELATIVITY. It is valid only for STATIC SITUATIONS. Einstein's equations DO NOT HAVE A BOUNDED DYNAMIC SOLUTION.

You can't apply them to anything pertaining to the real world.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2196454#msg2196454

Of course it's possible to introduce forces that act in the opposite direction, but those affect the net force on an object, not the the gravitational component of the total force.

WHAT ?!!!

Terrestrial gravity can be completely ANNULED with the Biefeld-Brown effect formula.

Of course the entire gravitational component of the total force will be affected using the Biefeld-Brown effect.


Here are the calculations for the B-2 bomber.

Here is the data for the B-2 bomber Biefeld-Brown effect.

At sea level the aircraft maintains a voltage differential of 57 million volts, while at an altitude of some 9 km, the voltage differential will measure 20 million volts.

It was Thomas Townsend Brown who also invented the flame-jet generator to extract power out of the ionized exhaust stream.

To get the engine ionizers started, the B-2 bomber has electric generators mechanically driven by the jet turbines.

We have

d=0.5cm
e=1e4 [units] (barium titanate)
V=6.67e4 statvolts
G=6.67e-8 [cgs units]
u= 6.02 g/cm^3
S=4.78e6 cm^2 (wing area of a B2 bomber)

Then, F = 4.906e10 dyne (cgs) = 4.906e5 N

Gravitational force on an empty B2 is 7.1e4*9.81 = 6.8e5 N

THAT IS 72% of the force required to lift the B-2 bomber.

And the percentage can become 100% or even higher using supercapacitors.

So you have no idea of what you are talking about.

Since the postulated "antigravitational force" is most likely a misunderstanding (or misrepresentation) of the observed effects

This is NOT THE CN SECTION.

There is no "postulation" or "misunderstanding".

THE CAPACITOR WILL MOVE TOWARD ITS POSITIVE POLE.

COMPLETELY INVALIDATING NEWTON'S UNIVERSAL LAW OF GRAVITATION.

HERE IS THE FORMULA:



Using 20Mv (66713 statvolts), d = 1/10 cm, e = 10000.

gzmax = 3.5gearth



Big G, described as "the Newtonian Gravitational Constant"  has been determined by hundreds of experimants similar to the "Cavendish Experiment"!

All of those experiments discovered the EFFECT OF ETHER PRESSURE WAVES, nothing else:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg805751#msg805751

Newton's useless formula IS INVALIDATED AT ONCE BY THE EXACT BIEFELD-BROWN FORMULA.

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sokarul

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #107 on: September 11, 2019, 11:32:52 PM »
Just no.

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #108 on: September 12, 2019, 12:01:40 AM »
Would you listen to anybody discuss the mechanics of the spheres who does not know the elementary physical forces existing in nature? But this is the position adopted by astronomers who acclaim as infallible a celestial mechanics conceived in the 1660s in which electricity and magnetism play not the slightest role.

The answer to your question is, yes, I would.
Unfortunately, you can't.
Here is the VERY IMPORTANT ROLE played by electromagnetism in determining the CAUSE of terrestrial gravity.
A sufficiently charged capacitor with dielectrics exhibits unidirectional thrust in the direction of the positive plate.
For the same mass, and the for the same distance from Earth, there will be AN ANTIGRAVITATIONAL EFFECT FORCE clearly exhibited by the capacitor: a total invalidation of attractive gravity.

Well, that's one interpretation.

You did graduate from high school, right?

The papers by WEYL, MAJUMDAR, AND PAPAPETROU were published in the well-respected journals.
Just checking. You did mean this Hermann Weyl, a colleague of Albert Einstein who wrote this book?
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Space, Time, Matter by Hermann Weyl
"The standard treatise on the general theory of relativity." — Nature
"Whatever the future may bring, Professor Weyl's book will remain a classic of physics." — British Journal for Philosophy and Science
Reflecting the revolution in scientific and philosophic thought which accompanied the Einstein relativity theories, Dr. Weyl has probed deeply into the notions of space, time, and matter. A rigorous examination of the state of our knowledge of the world following these developments is undertaken with this guiding principle: that although further scientific thought may take us far beyond our present conception of the world, we may never again return to the previous narrow and restricted scheme.

Although a degree of mathematical sophistication is presupposed, Dr. Weyl develops all the tensor calculus necessary to his exposition. He then proceeds to an analysis of the concept of Euclidean space and the spatial conceptions of Riemann. From this the nature of the amalgamation of space and time is derived.

This leads to an exposition and examination of Einstein's general theory of relativity and the concomitant theory of gravitation. A detailed investigation follows devoted to gravitational waves, a rigorous solution of the problem of one body, laws of conservation, and the energy of gravitation. Dr. Weyl's introduction of the concept of tensor-density as a magnitude of quantity (contrasted with tensors which are considered to be magnitudes of intensity) is a major step toward a clearer understanding of the relationships among space, time, and matter.

Just checking but Hermann Weyl sounds like a firm supporter of "Einstein's general theory of relativity and the concomitant theory of gravitation" to me.

Especially as the book starts with:
Quote from: HERMANN WEYL, First Published in 1922
Einstein’s Theory of Relativity has advanced our ideas of the structure of the cosmos a step further. It is as if a wall which separated us from Truth has collapsed.

Wider expanses and greater depths are now exposed to the searching eye of knowledge, regions of which we had not even a presentiment. It has brought us much nearer to grasping the plan that underlies all physical happening.

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #109 on: September 12, 2019, 12:12:55 AM »
I looked at those papers by Takaaki Musha and Boyko V. Ivanov and couldn't find a single mention of ether or aether.

But you DID.


If you are talking about ZPE then just call it that, I don't think it needs another name.

Musha's short paper is purely hypothetical and speculative, just read the conclusions:
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From the theoretical analysis by the zero-point field theory, it is considered that the origin of the dynamical Biefeld-Brown effect might be attributed to the interaction of zero-point vacuum fluctuations with high potential electric field impressed to the capacitor. This result suggests that the pulsed electric field applied to the capacitor may produce artificial gravity sufficient for practical application to the space propulsion technology.

The same can be said about the other paper (Haissch-Rueda-Puthoff)

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In conclusion (i) it appears that a magnetic component of the Lorentz force arises in ZPF-matter interactions in accelerating reference frames such that the property of resisting acceleration which defines inertia could be attributed to this interaction. (ii) Newton's equation of motion F=rna thus appears to be made explainable directly by ZPF electrodynamics. (iii) The equivalence of the ZPF inertial mass derived here and the ZPF gravitational mass in the Sakharov-Puthoff model of Newtonian gravity would appear to provide some corroboration to this aspect of the principle of equivalence. (iv) Alternatively, if the principle of equivalence is taken as given, our argument for inertia expounded here seems to provide some independent collateral support for the concept of ZPF-based Newtonian gravity developed in the Sakharov-Puthoff model. (v) Finally, a causal and quantifiable basis for Mach's principle is suggested.

ZPE is currently not fully understood.  A complete quantum theory of gravitation doesn't exist yet. Current interest in ZPE by NASA and many others is geared towards new means of propulsion in space and  interstellar travel, but at this point is all highly speculative. 

Once again you are cherry picking and jumping to conclusions that have nothing to do with the conclusions and scope of the papers you are citing.
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sandokhan

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #110 on: September 12, 2019, 12:19:03 AM »
Here is the 1944 paper in which Weyl DEMOLISHES EINSTEIN'S ORIGINAL EQUATIONS:

http://web.archive.org/web/20090509190344/http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/weyl-1.pdf

An interesting treatment by Hermann Weyl (1944) demonstrating that the standard linearization of Einstein's equations is inadmissible because it leads to the requirement of a tensor, which, except for the trivial case of being zero, does not otherwise exist! Another important paper ignored by the orthodox physicists.


Weyl extended GR to NON-RIEMANNIAN GEOMETRIES, using his affine connection field.


Musha's short paper is purely hypothetical and speculative, just read the conclusions

Cut the crap.

Dr. Musha applied the BIEFELD-BROWN EXACT FORMULA for a capacitor which has 170 mm in diameter and 62 g in weight.

A full confirmation of the formula.

The experiment was carried out at the Honda R&D Institute:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/musha/Musha.pdf


Once again you are cherry picking and jumping to conclusions that have nothing to do with the conclusions and scope of the papers you are citing.

You are trolling the upper forums.

HERE IS THE ZERO POINT ENERGY FORMULA DERIVED BY HAISCH, RUEDA AND PUTHOFF used directly in the experiment carried out by Dr. Musha, using the BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT, a complete confirmation of the existence of the zero point energy field:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2178412#msg2178412


Again, your statements have been debunked in less than 20 seconds.

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kopfverderber

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #111 on: September 12, 2019, 12:47:07 AM »
The experiment was carried out at the Honda R&D Institute:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/musha/Musha.pdf

CONCLUSIONS
From the theoretical analysis by the zero-point field theory, it is considered that the origin of the dynamical Biefeld-Brown effect might be attributed to the interaction of zero-point vacuum fluctuations with high potential electric field impressed to the capacitor. This result suggests that the pulsed electric field applied to the capacitor may produce artificial gravity sufficient for practical application to the space propulsion technology.


Dr. Musha's conclusions, confirming what I said.

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HERE IS THE ZERO POINT ENERGY FORMULA DERIVED BY HAISCH, RUEDA AND PUTHOFF used directly in the experiment carried out by Dr. Musha, using the BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT, a complete confirmation of the existence of the zero point energy field:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2178412#msg2178412

Again the conclussions by Haissch-Rueda-Puthoff, since you missed them the first time:

In conclusion (i) it appears that a magnetic component of the Lorentz force arises in ZPF-matter interactions in accelerating reference frames such that the property of resisting acceleration which defines inertia could be attributed to this interaction. (ii) Newton's equation of motion F=rna thus appears to be made explainable directly by ZPF electrodynamics. (iii) The equivalence of the ZPF inertial mass derived here and the ZPF gravitational mass in the Sakharov-Puthoff model of Newtonian gravity would appear to provide some corroboration to this aspect of the principle of equivalence. (iv) Alternatively, if the principle of equivalence is taken as given, our argument for inertia expounded here seems to provide some independent collateral support for the concept of ZPF-based Newtonian gravity developed in the Sakharov-Puthoff model. (v) Finally, a causal and quantifiable basis for Mach's principle is suggested.

You are just making a whole lot of assumptions based on a couple of highly speculative papers. These scientist are researching alternative propulsion methods for space travel, yet in your mind they confirm some sort of luminiferous ether theory, whatever.

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Again, your statements have been debunked in less than 20 seconds.

It takes 20 seconds two do your copypasta spam.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2019, 12:53:28 AM by kopfverderber »
You must gather your party before venturing forth

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sandokhan

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #112 on: September 12, 2019, 01:38:36 AM »
You are trolling the upper forums.

Again.

You did not DEBUNK anything.

I presented A REAL EXPERIMENT CARRIED OUT AT THE HONDA R&D INSTITUTE.

Here is the paper:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/musha/Musha.pdf

Can you read a scientific paper?

The research group of the HONDA R&D Institute observed the weigh reduction at the experiment by applying an alternate electric field to the capacitor.

The author used the WEYL-MAJUMDAR-PAPAPETROU-IVANOV formula to derive the force equation.

Then, he used the HAISCH-RUEDA-PUTHOFF ZERO POINT ENERGY MASS DENSITY FORMULA to derive the TOTAL MASS REDUCTION.

No more suggestions, attributale effects.

THE ZERO POINT ENERGY EQUATION WAS USED TO DERIVE THE OBSERVED EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS.








The formula for the maximum weight loss of a capacitor subjected to the Biefeld-Brown effect requires even higher mathematical physics than Weyl fields electrovacuum solutions.

The electrodynamic Hamiltonian of a particle in ZPF (zero point energy field/ether) was obtained for the first time in 1994, and was published in the Physical Review A:

https://journals.aps.org/pra/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevA.49.678

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9069/0be66e03f535dd3b47aeb76ea36bfc3d1909.pdf

Inertia as a zero-point-field Lorentz force
Bernhard Haisch, Alfonso Rueda, and H. E. Puthoff
Phys. Rev. A 49, 678

Once this equation is obtained, the formula for the maximum weight loss of a capacitor subjected to the Biefeld-Brown effect can now be derived:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/musha/Musha.pdf


You will never be able to debunk any of my messages, save your efforts and time for something else.

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kopfverderber

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #113 on: September 12, 2019, 01:52:39 AM »
You did not DEBUNK anything.


I'm not trying to debunk anything, publish your ideas and submit them to peer review if you would like them debunked. Or post them to a science forum and see what happens.

I'm only posting the conclusions of the papers you are linking. I don't know why that bothers you so much.
You must gather your party before venturing forth

Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #114 on: September 12, 2019, 02:02:18 AM »
Would you listen to anybody discuss the mechanics of the spheres who does not know the elementary physical forces existing in nature? But this is the position adopted by astronomers who acclaim as infallible a celestial mechanics conceived in the 1660s in which electricity and magnetism play not the slightest role.

The answer to your question is, yes, I would.

Unfortunately, you can't.

Here is the VERY IMPORTANT ROLE played by electromagnetism in determining the CAUSE of terrestrial gravity.

A sufficiently charged capacitor with dielectrics exhibits unidirectional thrust in the direction of the positive plate.

For the same mass, and the for the same distance from Earth, there will be AN ANTIGRAVITATIONAL EFFECT FORCE clearly exhibited by the capacitor: a total invalidation of attractive gravity.

Well, that's one interpretation.

You did graduate from high school, right?

The papers by WEYL, MAJUMDAR, AND PAPAPETROU were published in the well-respected journals.

In case you did not know, the following formulas were obtained using the ELECTROVACUUM SOLUTION discovered by Hermann Weyl, the greatest mathematician in the world, 1917-1955:





Here is also the Reissner-Nordstrom solution, also published in the best journals and well-known:

https://archive.org/details/philtrans04375412

Airplane wings and helicopter rotors produce a force in that direction, too, but they're much more effective in making heavy objects fly.

You must be dreaming.

Jet engines were invented by VIKTOR SCHAUBERGER using TORSION FIELD theory:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2044376#msg2044376

It works beautifully in the realm where relativistic effects and quantum effects are small to negligible.

I have just posted a formula WHICH INVALIDATES NEWTON'S USELESS GRAVITATIONAL FORMULA.

It takes A SINGLE COUNTEREXAMPLE TO INVALIDATE A FORMULA OR THEORY.

Newton says that ONLY ATTRACTIVE GRAVITY EXISTS. Nothing else!

A force which provides lift/thrust IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION destroys the premises upon which Newton's formula was built: gravity is totally related to electromagnetism.

Any gravitational interaction is due to the PRESSURE EXERTED BY THE ETHER.

There is no such thing as EINSTEIN'S RELATIVITY. It is valid only for STATIC SITUATIONS. Einstein's equations DO NOT HAVE A BOUNDED DYNAMIC SOLUTION.

You can't apply them to anything pertaining to the real world.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2196454#msg2196454

Of course it's possible to introduce forces that act in the opposite direction, but those affect the net force on an object, not the the gravitational component of the total force.

WHAT ?!!!

Terrestrial gravity can be completely ANNULED with the Biefeld-Brown effect formula.

Of course the entire gravitational component of the total force will be affected using the Biefeld-Brown effect.


Here are the calculations for the B-2 bomber.

Here is the data for the B-2 bomber Biefeld-Brown effect.

At sea level the aircraft maintains a voltage differential of 57 million volts, while at an altitude of some 9 km, the voltage differential will measure 20 million volts.

It was Thomas Townsend Brown who also invented the flame-jet generator to extract power out of the ionized exhaust stream.

To get the engine ionizers started, the B-2 bomber has electric generators mechanically driven by the jet turbines.

We have

d=0.5cm
e=1e4 [units] (barium titanate)
V=6.67e4 statvolts
G=6.67e-8 [cgs units]
u= 6.02 g/cm^3
S=4.78e6 cm^2 (wing area of a B2 bomber)

Then, F = 4.906e10 dyne (cgs) = 4.906e5 N

Gravitational force on an empty B2 is 7.1e4*9.81 = 6.8e5 N

THAT IS 72% of the force required to lift the B-2 bomber.

And the percentage can become 100% or even higher using supercapacitors.

So you have no idea of what you are talking about.

Since the postulated "antigravitational force" is most likely a misunderstanding (or misrepresentation) of the observed effects

This is NOT THE CN SECTION.

There is no "postulation" or "misunderstanding".

THE CAPACITOR WILL MOVE TOWARD ITS POSITIVE POLE.

COMPLETELY INVALIDATING NEWTON'S UNIVERSAL LAW OF GRAVITATION.

HERE IS THE FORMULA:



Using 20Mv (66713 statvolts), d = 1/10 cm, e = 10000.

gzmax = 3.5gearth



Big G, described as "the Newtonian Gravitational Constant"  has been determined by hundreds of experimants similar to the "Cavendish Experiment"!

All of those experiments discovered the EFFECT OF ETHER PRESSURE WAVES, nothing else:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg805751#msg805751

Newton's useless formula IS INVALIDATED AT ONCE BY THE EXACT BIEFELD-BROWN FORMULA.

Phew!

What I don't understand is how people have the time and energy to read and paste all this drivel...

One essence of good science is the ability to explain and simplify it so *the masses* can understand it.
All this twit does is obfuscate and confuse matters. To him, it becomes more true with increasing incomprehensible formulae and greek letters!

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rvlvr

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #115 on: September 12, 2019, 03:10:39 AM »
Yes, it looks very impressive, but as it lacks the support of the scientific community, I find it hard to believe it is worth anything.

Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #116 on: September 12, 2019, 03:24:17 AM »
You are trolling the upper forums.
No, that is still you.

You continue to spam this thread with things completely unconnected to the OP.
You quote mine authorities appealing to their authority with your blatant misrepresentation of your claims, while ignoring that the authorities fully support Earth being round which you reject.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2019, 03:25:57 AM by JackBlack »

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sandokhan

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #117 on: September 12, 2019, 03:37:44 AM »
The WEYL-MAJUMDAR-PAPAPETROU-IVANOV electrovacuum solution is as mainstream as it gets. However, it requires very advanced mathematics, taught perhaps at the post-graduate level.

This is is pure science: using differential geometry to unify terrestrial gravity and Coulomb electrostatics.

So, it is totally accepted by modern science: the papers were published and peer-reviewed by some of the best journals out there.

The reason why more and more people do not have a knowledge of these outstanding and far reaching results is the fact that in high school they are not taught about Whittaker scalar waves, Tesla ball lightning theory, DePalma's spinning ball experiment and much more.

Here is how senior year physics should be taught in high schools.

High School Physics 12th grade textbook, 2020 edition, table of contents


I. Ether Quantum Physics


1. Atomic structure of the subquark (tachyon)


2. String theory - bosons and antibosons

2.1 Vortex model of the atom

2.2 Geometrical structure of the elements

2.3 Boson and antiboson configuration


3. Antigravity through sound and double torsion

3.1 UFOs - structure, form, flight mechanism physics

3.2 Granite megalithic blocks levitation

3.3 Transmutation of metals

3.4 Dr. Bruce DePalma and Dr. Nikolai Kozyrev experiments


Endnote: failed theories of the 20th century - planetary model of the atom


II. Magnetricity


1. Linus Pauling experiments: laevorotatory structure of the living organisms


2. Ether – telluric currents


3. Aether – medium of propagation of ether waves


4. G.B. Airy's experiment (1871)


5. Compton effect explained by ether waves


6. Ball lightning and cavity resonators


Endnote: failed theories of the 20th century - the theory of relativity


III. Free energy and ether waves


1. Nikola Tesla nonhertzian wave analysis


2. Floyd Sweet transistor


3. Biefeld-Brown effect


4. Viktor Schauberger double torsion theory



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sandokhan

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #118 on: September 12, 2019, 03:43:29 AM »
while ignoring that the authorities fully support Earth being round which you reject.

You can no longer "support" a RE hypothesis, once you have at your disposal the EXACT BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT FORMULA.

How do you justify the fact that the B-2 bomber just floats up there using only the BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT as a power source of thrust and flight?

Here is the exact BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT FORMULA:





This is ELECTROGRAVITY, the unification of gravity and electromagnetism.

Einstein was very happy about it:

“It appears that the union of gravitation and Maxwell’s theory is achieved in a completely satisfactory way by the five-dimensional theory (Kaluza-Klein).”

(Einstein to H. A. Lorentz, 16 February 1927)

“Kaluza's roundabout way of introducing the five dimensional continuum allows us to regard the gravitational and electromagnetic fields as a unitary space structure”

Einstein, A. & Bergman, P., On a Generalization of Kaluza's Theory of Electricity. In: Modern Kaluza-Klein Theories. Menlo Park: Addison-Wesley, p. 93.

It doesn't get more mainstream than this, does it?

Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #119 on: September 12, 2019, 03:56:42 AM »
You can no longer "support" a RE hypothesis
Because it is a theory, supported by mountains of evidence, unlike the refuted FE idea.

If you want to use authorities, accept Earth is round. If you don't, spamming them and deal with the topic.