The RE Community Has a New Enemy

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Plat Terra

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The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« on: September 09, 2019, 09:08:15 AM »
The RE Community has a new enemy, “Infrared Aerial Photogrammetry”.

This new technology reveals the shape of Earth’s surface through aerial observation using infrared and Photogrammetry software and the results prove it’s not curved. High tech equipment has been used to continue the Globe fantasy and make people believe the great hoax, now it’s being used to expose it.  How ironic.

If you haven’t heard of JTolan Media1 and his work you should have a look at his amazing work.

Epic Infrared Aerial Photogrammetry of the Flat Earth

The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Tom Bishop

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2019, 09:31:50 AM »
Nice post. The Earth is flat.

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sokarul

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2019, 09:37:30 AM »
Incorrect premise, incorrect conclusion.
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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2019, 10:08:15 AM »
What's in the video, what does it reveal?

Can't it be less than twenty minutes?

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Plat Terra

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2019, 10:17:41 AM »
It reveals professional deniers, liars and rejecters have to sharpen their skills to keep more of their members from accepting defeat.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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rvlvr

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2019, 10:27:41 AM »
It's just not you getting your ass handed to you in another topic, and looking for a new thing to throw at the wall?

So, what does the video tell us? And how is it proven? Do you understand what they are saying?

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Crutchwater

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2019, 10:27:58 AM »
That entire video is fake!

Worst Photoshop ever, you can clearly see the wires!
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EvolvedMantisShrimp

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2019, 10:46:28 AM »
What's in the video, what does it reveal?

Can't it be less than twenty minutes?

I second the request for a summary.
Nullius in Verba

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2019, 10:57:06 AM »
CGI proves the earth is flat? ???
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Macarios

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2019, 01:12:30 PM »
Yet another attempt to ignore datum.
To push it under carpet.

The guy in the video colected models relative to datum and declared it "relative to flat reference".

And then he manipulated it as he wanted, doing exactly the same thing that Flat Earthers declare invalid in composite photography.

When you read an explanation of Aerial Photography, (like this one: https://www.dronezon.com/learn-about-drones-quadcopters/introduction-to-uav-photogrammetry-and-lidar-mapping-basics/

make sure you understand this:


(from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_survey)
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These things are not about me.
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Plat Terra

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2019, 03:44:43 PM »
Yet another attempt to ignore datum.
To push it under carpet.

The guy in the video colected models relative to datum and declared it "relative to flat reference".

And then he manipulated it as he wanted, doing exactly the same thing that Flat Earthers declare invalid in composite photography.

When you read an explanation of Aerial Photography, (like this one: https://www.dronezon.com/learn-about-drones-quadcopters/introduction-to-uav-photogrammetry-and-lidar-mapping-basics/

make sure you understand this:


(from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_survey)

No manipulation here. Just measuring the surface from the air. How did you like that horizontal row of clouds too!  Just more witnesses of a non curved surace.

Make sure you understand this: Mean sea level is a horizontal plane.

And please stop using Plane Earth talking points to discribe your theory, and use your own like "Means Sea Curve, Curvevel, Curvontal and Curvision. That would make more sense.

The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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markjo

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2019, 04:27:57 PM »
Make sure you understand this: Mean sea level is a horizontal plane.
No.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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frenat

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2019, 04:38:00 PM »

And please stop using Plane Earth talking points to discribe your theory, and use your own like "Means Sea Curve, Curvevel, Curvontal and Curvision. That would make more sense.

Except in this case sea level refers to an elevation and your other terms aren't words. Yet another fail from Plat Terra.

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Plat Terra

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2019, 04:45:35 PM »
Make sure you understand this: Mean sea level is a horizontal plane.
No.


Please post a video explaining Mean Sea Curve.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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rabinoz

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2019, 05:20:38 PM »
Make sure you understand this: Mean sea level is a horizontal plane.
Incorrect!

If "Mean sea level is a horizontal plane" explain how a horizontal plane can hide so when the viewing height is 6 feet but not when it is 100 feet.

Bathurst Lighthouse from 6 ft above sea-level
         
Bathurst Lighthouse from 100 ft above sea-level

And if "Mean sea level is a horizontal plane" explain why these power pylons curve downwards over the horizon.


Soundly Proving the Curvature of the Earth at Lake Pontchartrain


Then if "Mean sea level is a horizontal plane" explain why there is a sharp horizontal  over the sea. Look in your own post:
Why is there no apparent curve in this image compared to yours? Its the same lake.


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Plat Terra

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2019, 05:29:22 PM »
The RE Community has a new enemy, “Infrared Aerial Photogrammetry”.

This new technology reveals the shape of Earth’s surface through aerial observation using infrared and Photogrammetry software and the results prove it’s not curved. High tech equipment has been used to continue the Globe fantasy and make people believe the great hoax, now it’s being used to expose it.  How ironic.

If you haven’t heard of JTolan Media1 and his work you should have a look at his amazing work.

Epic Infrared Aerial Photogrammetry of the Flat Earth


My fault for getting off topic.

Speaking of the video, how did you like that 500 mile horizontal row of clouds? No curve was present at surface or bottom of clouds.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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markjo

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2019, 05:45:12 PM »
Make sure you understand this: Mean sea level is a horizontal plane.
No.


Please post a video explaining Mean Sea Curve.
I already did.  It's just that, in the context of a round earth, "level" means something different that than what you want it to mean.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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rabinoz

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2019, 06:30:39 PM »
The RE Community has a new enemy, “Infrared Aerial Photogrammetry”.

This new technology reveals the shape of Earth’s surface through aerial observation using infrared and Photogrammetry software and the results prove it’s not curved. High tech equipment has been used to continue the Globe fantasy and make people believe the great hoax, now it’s being used to expose it.  How ironic.

If you haven’t heard of JTolan Media1 and his work you should have a look at his amazing work.

Epic Infrared Aerial Photogrammetry of the Flat Earth


My fault for getting off topic.

Speaking of the video, how did you like that 500 mile horizontal row of clouds? No curve was present at surface or bottom of clouds.
I'm not wading through over 21 minutes of video to find the but you want! Either you do that and show some screen-shots of the relevant bits or forget it!

But since you seem to like "wading through videos" try these ;):

"Thanks JTolan Media1 for proving the Globe!
San Jacinto - JTolan Media1         by roohif
     
What JTolan Got Wrong: Infrared Video of Las Vegas
      Doesn't Show a Flat Earth      by All Grey Matters


JTolan Media1 :: EPIC FLAT EARTH FAIL
by roohif
     
How I destroyed flat Earth idiocy (4)– JTolan,
the Infra-Red Clown by Olivier Joseph





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sokarul

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2019, 06:36:39 PM »
Ouch. With that, this thread is over.  I look forward to the next one.
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Tom Bishop

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2019, 06:54:40 PM »
Going off topic is an act of desperation. Refusing to address the video posted is an instant fail, and a triumphant victory for Flat Earth.

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EvolvedMantisShrimp

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2019, 07:33:00 PM »
Going off topic is an act of desperation. Refusing to address the video posted is an instant fail, and a triumphant victory for Flat Earth.

How can we address it? It hasn't been adequately summarized yet.
Nullius in Verba

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rabinoz

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2019, 08:46:15 PM »
Going off topic is an act of desperation. Refusing to address the video posted is an instant fail, and a triumphant victory for Flat Earth.
Plat Terra posted a video with no explanation nor points to address.
Why should I waste my time wading through to find the material Plat Terra finds so compelling?

I posted four videos that do address the issues in that video.
So I fail to why that is "an act of desperation", "refusing to address the video posted", an "instant fail", or "triumphant victory for Flat Earth".

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Macarios

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2019, 09:10:55 PM »
Going off topic is an act of desperation. Refusing to address the video posted is an instant fail, and a triumphant victory for Flat Earth.

Are you talking about constant refusal to learn what DATUM is? :)
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Macarios

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2019, 09:15:56 PM »
Yet another attempt to ignore datum.
To push it under carpet.

The guy in the video colected models relative to datum and declared it "relative to flat reference".

And then he manipulated it as he wanted, doing exactly the same thing that Flat Earthers declare invalid in composite photography.

When you read an explanation of Aerial Photography, (like this one: https://www.dronezon.com/learn-about-drones-quadcopters/introduction-to-uav-photogrammetry-and-lidar-mapping-basics/

make sure you understand this:


(from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_survey)

No manipulation here. Just measuring the surface from the air. How did you like that horizontal row of clouds too!  Just more witnesses of a non curved surace.

Make sure you understand this: Mean sea level is a horizontal plane.

And please stop using Plane Earth talking points to discribe your theory, and use your own like "Means Sea Curve, Curvevel, Curvontal and Curvision. That would make more sense.



The Earth is not shaped by semantics.
The Earth is shaped by gravitation that keeps it together, and by tectonics and rotation.

Those things were measured and checked many times.
Converting reference points won't change it.

What would keep the Earth together if it was flat?
« Last Edit: September 09, 2019, 09:19:08 PM by Macarios »
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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sandokhan

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2019, 09:47:25 PM »
The Earth is shaped by gravitation that keeps it together, and by tectonics and rotation.

You have to explain how gravitation works on a spherical Earth.

Unless you can do that you no longer have the option to leisurely state that "The Earth is shaped by gravitation".

How is it kept together?

Attractive gravitation?

Please explain the attractive mechanism.

Use gravitons or spacetime, your choice.

Those things were measured and checked many times.

What was measured is A FORCE OF PRESSURE, nothing else.

If you want gravity to be attractive YOU MUST EXPLAIN THE MECHANISM.

Unless you can do so, you no longer have the option to lie through your teeth on this forum.

I have the EXACT FORMULA for the Biefeld-Brown effect which immediately proves my point.

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sokarul

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2019, 09:49:31 PM »
Falling objects feel no force. So no, gravity isn't pressure.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2019, 01:05:27 PM by sokarul »
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rabinoz

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2019, 10:17:54 PM »
The Earth is shaped by gravitation that keeps it together, and by tectonics and rotation.

You have to explain how gravitation works on a spherical Earth.
No we don't!
Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation is a Law meaning that it describes the way gravitation behaves based on experimental results.

No theory comes into it.

Quote from: sandokhan
I have the EXACT FORMULA for the Biefeld-Brown effect which immediately proves my point.

Where has your "Biefeld-Brown effect" been proven experimentally in a vacuum?
Yes I found the video but what does that prove? Show how your "EXACT FORMULA" exactly matches any experimental results.

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2019, 10:24:02 PM »
The Earth is shaped by gravitation that keeps it together, and by tectonics and rotation.

You have to explain how gravitation works on a spherical Earth.

Unless you can do that you no longer have the option to leisurely state that "The Earth is shaped by gravitation".

How is it kept together?

Attractive gravitation?

Please explain the attractive mechanism.

Use gravitons or spacetime, your choice.

Those things were measured and checked many times.

What was measured is A FORCE OF PRESSURE, nothing else.

If you want gravity to be attractive YOU MUST EXPLAIN THE MECHANISM.

Unless you can do so, you no longer have the option to lie through your teeth on this forum.

I have the EXACT FORMULA for the Biefeld-Brown effect which immediately proves my point.

Pressure? Do you mean things don't fall inside a vacuum chamber?
You must gather your party before venturing forth

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2019, 10:24:05 PM »
The Earth is shaped by gravitation that keeps it together, and by tectonics and rotation.

You have to explain how gravitation works on a spherical Earth.
No we don't!
Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation is a Law meaning that it describes the way gravitation behaves based on experimental results.

Laws can be broken, or found to be unfair or harsh and thus changed.

Do you believe a simple man living centuries ago came up with a complete works and understanding of the universe? On his own? Just by an apple bumping him on the noggin? Now if that's not the most awesome case of savant syndrome I dont know what is!!

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sandokhan

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Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2019, 10:28:29 PM »
Cut out the BS regarding the Bathurst lighthouse and the Pontchartrain lake FAKE video.

Total demolition of the Bathurst lighthouse photos:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82434.msg2201995#msg2201995

Total demolition of the Pontchartrain FAKE video:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=73925.msg2016747#msg2016747


No theory comes into it.

WHAT ?!

No theory at all?

HOW THEN DO YOU KNOW IT IS ATTRACTIVE?

WAIT, YOU SAID TERRESTRIAL GRAVITY IS NOT ATTRACTIVE RIGHT HERE:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82434.msg2201634#msg2201634

So you are unable to describe the ATTRACTIVE MECHANISM.

It takes a single counterexample to prove the Newtonian formula wrong.

HERE IS THE EXACT FORMULA FOR THE BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT:




https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0507082.pdf

Weyl electrovacuum solutions and gauge invariance
Dr. B.V. Ivanov

https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0502047.pdf

On the gravitational field induced by static electromagnetic sources
Dr. B.V Ivanov

The formula was obtained for the first time in 1917 by Hermann Weyl, the greatest mathematician in the world at that time, several ranks higher than Einstein.

http://www.jp-petit.org/papers/cosmo/1917-Weyl-en.pdf

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2177463#msg2177463

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2179065#msg2179065


A TOTAL DEFIANCE OF NEWTON'S ATTRACTIVE GRAVITY.


You, the RE, have NOTHING at all when it comes to terrestrial gravity.

BY YOUR OWN WORDS: YOU HAVE NO THEORY, NO ATTRACTIVE MECHANISM.

And certainly no GENERAL RELATIVITY to explain anything at all regarding gravity:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82434.msg2201655#msg2201655