Go woke, go broke lol

Gillette has paid the price in the order of around 8 billion dollars for their ridiculous going woke campaign. An ad which virtually painted the vast majority of their customers (men) as everything that's wrong with society. Toxic and evil for simply being men.

It appears they have relented and won't engage in this stupid go woke for broke nonsense again.

But how many examples do we see of this?

Ghostbusters reboot with an all female cast - broke.
Oceans 8 - broke
A Wrinkle in Time - got woke, went broke
Terminator reboot in the works - predicted to go broke for going woke
Men in Black International - broke
Xmen Dark Phoenix - broke

Mass Effect Andromeda - BROKE

Tumbler - got woke, went broke

Phase 4 of the MCU..... A female THOR? - I'm calling it early - broke

We've seen how cringe worthy Brie Larsen screwed with Captain Marvel and how much profit was lost to her antics and male bashing. A shitty actress too but Marvel wanted that 'feminist' movie, so - broke

Eminem, Katy Perry, Hillary Clinton - getting woke caused them to go broke. There are so many more examples I could write too.

Why do peopke still want to jump on this WOKE bandwagon?

Well, I agree that wokeness is stupid, but some of the things you've listed as woke I don't even know what it is you are talking about.

Like, when did Hilary Clinton get woke, causing her to get broke? Also, Ghostbusters reboot wasn't any worse than the original, and it wasn't the wokeness that broke it, it was the man babies who thought the reboot ruined the first one (which isn't even possible).

We've seen how cringe worthy Brie Larsen screwed with Captain Marvel and how much profit was lost to her antics and male bashing. A shitty actress too but Marvel wanted that 'feminist' movie, so - broke

I would hardly call over $1 billion box office "broke".

Also, Dark Phoenix was hardly the only disappointment in the X-men franchise.

Also, tumblr didn't ban porn out of wokeness. They banned porn because iTunes canceled the tumblr app because of child porn.

I read somewhere that they did that because of fosta/sesta.

Not sure if that's true or not.

It might be. I wouldn't be surprised if it was child sex trafficking, too. I have a tumblr, and before the porn ban I was getting followed by tons of pornbot blogs. Probably some of them were trafficking.

Well, I agree that wokeness is stupid, but some of the things you've listed as woke I don't even know what it is you are talking about.

Like, when did Hilary Clinton get woke, causing her to get broke? Also, Ghostbusters reboot wasn't any worse than the original, and it wasn't the wokeness that broke it, it was the man babies who thought the reboot ruined the first one (which isn't even possible).

Hillary tried the gender card - vote because I'm not some old angry white male. She's bit broke in the $$$ sense but in her career and ambition, she is

I never watched the reboot of Ghost Busters. I don't care that there's women Ghost Busters, but the point of the movie was not to tell a story but to say 'F U' to men

Most people saw through that and given Ghost Busters had a mostly male fan base following (I guess because men like that kind of action movie) they didn't pay to see that. Chris Hemsworth, the guy that plays Thor, cast as a secretary - dumbing down the epitome of an Alpha male to such a role only proved this movie was simply made to be a joke

It's like trying to make a reboot of GI Joe but only casting women. Dumb idea. You already know it will flop

Quote from: Shifter on August 22, 2019, 04:30:31 PM

We've seen how cringe worthy Brie Larsen screwed with Captain Marvel and how much profit was lost to her antics and male bashing. A shitty actress too but Marvel wanted that 'feminist' movie, so - broke

I would hardly call over $1 billion box office "broke".

Also, Dark Phoenix was hardly the only disappointment in the X-men franchise.

The character of Captain Marvel is trashed. Do you see any hint of her back in phase 4? Are the fans screaming for more of her? Also there is no question her comments about white men led to a lot of dollars missed out on the box office. The movie was part of the MCU and connected to the Avengers 3&4 movie. That was the only reason it made what it did. If it were a stand alone movie, it would have crashed and burned

Shifter be incel, yo.

I never watched the reboot of Ghost Busters. I don't care that there's women Ghost Busters, but the point of the movie was not to tell a story but to say 'F U' to men

You seem to know very well the point of a movie you didn't watch.

The character of Captain Marvel is trashed. Do you see any hint of her back in phase 4? Are the fans screaming for more of her?

Not so much, because she was a very boring character. The complaints about "wokeness" are silly, is it "woke" because it's a movie about a female superhero? So if a movie is all male it's not "political", it's normal, but if a movie stars a woman it's suddenly repugnant misandry.

What about Wonder Woman? I guess that classifies as "woke" too, since it stars a woman and is directed by a woman. And it made more than Justice League and almost as much as Batman v Superman despite the angry nerd meltdowns.

I also love how you classify various things as having gone broke when they didn't, but justify it by saying "well if not for x it would have gone broke" or "I'm sure it will go broke". Also Eminem got broke because he went woke? 1) When did he go "woke" and 2) do you seriously think that's why Eminem "went broke" (which is a weird thing to say for all the sales he makes)? Not because he's aging and his newer music is shit?

I'll never understand this ridiculous outrage over having women/minorities in movies.

#Broflake's matter.

#Broflake's matter.

Female superheroes are not a new concept. They have been around for decades. Nobody thought to market the movie on its protagonist having a vagina until a few years ago though.

I'll never understand this ridiculous outrage over having women/minorities in movies.

See this is how the moron left tries to trigger people that don't like this woke shit.

We say " We don't like to have characters in movies and things a like roles chosen because of a PC quota."

The left "Y'all are racist, misogynistic, bigots and only want to see white males in entertainment"..


Fucking stupid.

Plus, anyone that doesn't see something wrong with the Gillette campaign must really have their head somewhere stinky. They literally called most mean evil lol. In doing so they did exactly what they were supposedly fighting against lol. Typical left.

Glad they lost alot of customers and had to cancel the campaign. I hope they don't come back, I certainly won't.

Free market. Make any movie you want.
Win or Lose on your own merit.

Seriously? Blaming entertainment for shit?

Free market. Make any movie you want.
Win or Lose on your own merit.

Seriously? Blaming entertainment for shit?

I am not blaming them for anything, simply an example.

. . . simply an example.

of what?

Quote from: Bom Tishop on August 23, 2019, 03:28:39 AM

. . . simply an example.

of what?

They are an extension of what the left wants/believe (well not all left, but the ones with a voice) since Hollywood only panders to the left.

Example of their shit mentality and especially hypocrisy.

Toy Story?

But, what the hell do I know?
If I have to see a movie I pay attention to the foley, lighting and soundscape.   

Well I consider myself to be “left” but have no interest in those that push ridiculous agender, and I haven’t seen the Gillette adverts, so I can’t comment on that specifically, however what I see above is a pair of frothing volk getting very upset about something that would probably die a natural death (for the reasons they stated), If it wasn’t kept alive by angry paranoid men thinking there was a plot by female supremacists (and the left) to make them both, crochet, and superfluous to reproduction , I suggest you watch a Chuck Norris film and then get your woman to make you a pack-up and go hunt a Mastodon. 

Well I consider myself to be “left” but have no interest in those that push ridiculous agender, and I haven’t seen the Gillette adverts, so I can’t comment on that specifically, however what I see above is a pair of frothing volk getting very upset about something that would probably die a natural death (for the reasons they stated), If it wasn’t kept alive by angry paranoid men thinking there was a plot by female supremacists (and the left) to make them both, crochet, and superfluous to reproduction , I suggest you watch a Chuck Norris film and then get your woman to make you a pack-up and go hunt a Mastodon.

Yes, me commenting on a post is worked up? Me simply saying "I don't like things being changed simple for the lovely PC reasons"

Right

I am very close to not being able to care less.

As for your end part...why are you attempting to pull a left trigger? Ignoring completely what I or shifter has said and saying what you want when it is clearly what neither has said.

You are better than that jura

Going woke = doing the same things that movies have always done, just not centred around white guys.

Sure, there are 'woke' things that can be lacklustre, but that's not exactly a new thing in movies. Then you get some that are excellent, from Black Panther to Wonder Woman. Deciding the biggest factor in the success of a movie is how many non-white non-male leads there are is where you get stupid. Not really sure what Bom's talking about, like that's some kind of misrepresentation of what's actually being said.
Not every depiction of non-white non-male characters is just filling a quota. Sometimes it's just, y'know, the fact non-white people and women exist and should be just as likely to be at the forefront of a story. After decades of near-exclusively white guys headlining everything you can't even manage a handful of others.

As far as 'filling a quota' goes, that goes hand-in-hand with 'virtue signalling' as a hilarious idea to me. There's already a word for that. There's been a word for 'trying to manipulate a marginilised group into being fans' for years now, it's called tokenism. Chucking in representation with no real forethought just to try and claim 'wokeness.' The left calls that out plenty, but acknowledging that would go against the Evil Leftist narrative you want to push.
Yep, tokenism can be a problem, and there are definitely a few things out there that opt for rather forced scenes in the name of it, but a) the left hardly celebrates that when it happens, b) that doesn't define every single instance of daring to have other groups presented on screen.

 There's been a word for 'trying to manipulate a marginilised group into being fans' for years now, it's called tokenism. Chucking in representation with no real forethought just to try and claim 'wokeness.' The left calls that out plenty, but acknowledging that would go against the Evil Leftist narrative you want to push.
Yep, tokenism can be a problem, and there are definitely a few things out there that opt for rather forced scenes in the name of it, but a) the left hardly celebrates that when it happens, b) that doesn't define every single instance of daring to have other groups presented on screen.

You want real actual business people with responsibilities to their investors to make movies that appeal to a narrow group of activists who don't actually go to movies?

Spend your own fortune to make your own stupid all inclusive kumbaya movie.

It is easy to stand off and bitch about how you feel things should be.


Seriously, there are people who do things and people who bitch and moan.

Quote from: Slime on August 23, 2019, 04:22:10 AM

 There's been a word for 'trying to manipulate a marginilised group into being fans' for years now, it's called tokenism. Chucking in representation with no real forethought just to try and claim 'wokeness.' The left calls that out plenty, but acknowledging that would go against the Evil Leftist narrative you want to push.
Yep, tokenism can be a problem, and there are definitely a few things out there that opt for rather forced scenes in the name of it, but a) the left hardly celebrates that when it happens, b) that doesn't define every single instance of daring to have other groups presented on screen.

You want real actual business people with responsibilities to their investors to make movies that appeal to a narrow group of activists who don't actually go to movies?

Um. How did you get that from my post?

Personally I'd like a variety of movies, some of which appealing more to more than the typical white male demographic.

Going woke = doing the same things that movies have always done, just not centred around white guys.

Sure, there are 'woke' things that can be lacklustre, but that's not exactly a new thing in movies. Then you get some that are excellent, from Black Panther to Wonder Woman. Deciding the biggest factor in the success of a movie is how many non-white non-male leads there are is where you get stupid. Not really sure what Bom's talking about, like that's some kind of misrepresentation of what's actually being said.
Not every depiction of non-white non-male characters is just filling a quota. Sometimes it's just, y'know, the fact non-white people and women exist and should be just as likely to be at the forefront of a story. After decades of near-exclusively white guys headlining everything you can't even manage a handful of others.

As far as 'filling a quota' goes, that goes hand-in-hand with 'virtue signalling' as a hilarious idea to me. There's already a word for that. There's been a word for 'trying to manipulate a marginilised group into being fans' for years now, it's called tokenism. Chucking in representation with no real forethought just to try and claim 'wokeness.' The left calls that out plenty, but acknowledging that would go against the Evil Leftist narrative you want to push.
Yep, tokenism can be a problem, and there are definitely a few things out there that opt for rather forced scenes in the name of it, but a) the left hardly celebrates that when it happens, b) that doesn't define every single instance of daring to have other groups presented on screen.

Black panther or Wonder woman are terrible examples. Both terrific movies.

The thing though, there was nothing "woke" about them. The characters had great story lines, and there was nothing "PC forced" about it.

The new ghost busters would be a better example, or wanting to make thor a woman. Captain marvel, I just can't bring an opinion on. There were certainly PC quota vibes in it, but other than that not sure. Plus, they originally wanted Keanu Reeves (so broken hearted that didn't happen), but he chose to do John wick 3 over the marvel stuff sadly.

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on August 23, 2019, 04:17:40 AM

Well I consider myself to be “left” but have no interest in those that push ridiculous agender, and I haven’t seen the Gillette adverts, so I can’t comment on that specifically, however what I see above is a pair of frothing volk getting very upset about something that would probably die a natural death (for the reasons they stated), If it wasn’t kept alive by angry paranoid men thinking there was a plot by female supremacists (and the left) to make them both, crochet, and superfluous to reproduction , I suggest you watch a Chuck Norris film and then get your woman to make you a pack-up and go hunt a Mastodon.

Yes, me commenting on a post is worked up? Me simply saying "I don't like things being changed simple for the lovely PC reasons"

Right

I am very close to not being able to care less.

As for your end part...why are you attempting to pull a left trigger? Ignoring completely what I or shifter has said and saying what you want when it is clearly what neither has said.

You are better than that jura

Because, it needs you and the Shifters of this world in counter point to the agendist’s (not a word, I know), to make this a story, someone makes a bad call on redressing what is seen by most as an unbalanced preponderance of white guys getting all the parts, and you have a jeering crowd form shouting “take that you PC man haters”, I don’t get it.

Black panther or Wonder woman are terrible examples. Both terrific movies.

The thing though, there was nothing "woke" about them. The characters had great story lines, and there was nothing "PC forced" about it.

So your definition of 'woke' then is 'movie with non-white or non-male in, that I don't like.'
BP and WW are the movies that would be celebrated as 'woke' by the left, hell, they are celebrated as such. Those are the kinds of movies the left wants more of. Claiming they're not is somehow the most baffling thing in this whole thread.

Thor's not being 'made a woman,' they're just actually doing something new with Jane's character, and something that's established in the comics. If the movie ends up being good, you'll just end up saying that it ended up not being 'PC forced' after all, that's just how this is going.

Because, it needs you and the Shifters of this world in counter point to the agendist’s (not a word, I know), to make this a story, someone makes a bad call on redressing what is seen by most as an unbalanced preponderance of white guys getting all the parts, and you have a jeering crowd form shouting “take that you PC man haters”, I don’t get it.

Normally I would give someone shit on a post like this, however, you are usually pretty intelligent/reasonable, so I am just going to assume a misunderstanding.

Let me try and clear it up.

Example from a post above talking to Jane. I rejected her example of black panther/wonder woman movies being "woke", because in my eyes they were not.

I thought both were fantastic movies, great plots, great directing, acting and story lines for the characters. There was nothing forced or PC about them, they told a story and did it well.

So again, what I disagree with is when people make casting decisions or stories based on PC culture and quotas. It makes me cringe, and obviously I am not alone. It has nothing to do with what color or sex is on the screen, I literally could not care less.


I would have called black panther racist if it featured an all white cast. I would have been like wtf what KKK member made this movie. It goes against the comics and about all things the black panther character stood for.

So I repeat, you are 100 percent incorrect with your opinion

Quote from: Bom Tishop on August 23, 2019, 04:45:17 AM

Black panther or Wonder woman are terrible examples. Both terrific movies.

The thing though, there was nothing "woke" about them. The characters had great story lines, and there was nothing "PC forced" about it.

So your definition of 'woke' then is 'movie with non-white or non-male in, that I don't like.'
BP and WW are the movies that would be celebrated as 'woke' by the left, hell, they are celebrated as such. Those are the kinds of movies the left wants more of. Claiming they're not is somehow the most baffling thing in this whole thread.

Thor's not being 'made a woman,' they're just actually doing something new with Jane's character, and something that's established in the comics. If the movie ends up being good, you'll just end up saying that it ended up not being 'PC forced' after all, that's just how this is going.

You need to read my post to Jura

agendist’s (not a word, I know)

If it conveys meaning, it's a word. All words are made up.   

So again, what I disagree with is when people make casting decisions or stories based on PC culture and quotas.

Which means?

Honestly just sounds like you want to blame everything on the good old 'political correctness gone mad' when your actual objection is with token representation, and that's the optimistic reading. Sure, tokenism bugs me too, you can get a couple of scenes that make you cringe, but eh, that hardly ruins movies for me.