Can you design a compass for a spherical world?

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Plat Terra

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #90 on: August 26, 2019, 11:11:00 AM »
Why does it have to be anchored?

Ask your mechanic, and let me know what type of look he gives you.

Those who dreamed up the heliocentric theory didnít really know much about mechanics, did they? They couldnít change their own carriage wheel.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #91 on: August 26, 2019, 11:12:24 AM »
BTW, you would have to be a genius to create a magnetic field with just one rotation per day.  That idea should be patentable if you could prove it.

But isn't the fake ball whirling at 1000 mph careening through space at impossible speeds??

What is a day?

What's an RPM?
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #92 on: August 26, 2019, 11:53:37 AM »
Why does it have to be anchored?

Ask your mechanic, and let me know what type of look he gives you.

Those who dreamed up the heliocentric theory didnít really know much about mechanics, did they? They couldnít change their own carriage wheel.

Why would a planet sized spinning thing need to be anchored?

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #93 on: August 26, 2019, 12:08:13 PM »
Why does it have to be anchored?

Ask your mechanic, and let me know what type of look he gives you.

Those who dreamed up the heliocentric theory didnít really know much about mechanics, did they? They couldnít change their own carriage wheel.

I did ask my mechanic. He said two things while wringing the grease on his fingers into the creases of an already blackened red rag, "I'm no geophysicist, but this Plat fellow and the dynamo he keeps showing wouldn't power a decent blender, bolted or not, let alone magnetize the earth...Now give me a hit of whatever he's smoking or get out of my garage..."

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #94 on: August 26, 2019, 02:33:12 PM »
The dynamo has to be anchored and your outer core is too hot to create a magneting field. You're theory is toast.
No, anchoring the dynamo to prevent it spinning would prevent it from producing any strong magnetic field.
It is not to hot.

Once again, all you have are baseless claims, which show you either don't understand what you are talking about, or are blatantly lying about.

BTW, you would have to be a genius to create a magnetic field with just one rotation per day.  That idea should be patentable if you could prove it.
Sure, if you were dealing with a tiny ball.
It doesn't make much sense to patent something that requires objects on the scale of a planet.

And of course, you ignore the fact that this is not a problem for RE, but is a failed general argument against a magnetic field. It works just as well for a FE.

Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #95 on: August 26, 2019, 02:45:44 PM »
how strong of a magnetic field are you looking for?
 - the same wacko magnitude similar to the gravity that crushes hills with a single rain fall?

last i recall, my metal car doesn't save gas when i drive in the N direction.
my toaster isn't stuck to the N wall of my house.
my old computer hard drives seemed to work just fine.
... and hills exist.

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #96 on: August 26, 2019, 04:22:05 PM »
The dynamo has to be anchored and your outer core is too hot to create a magneting field.
What has to be "anchored"?
The outer core might be too hot for it to be a permanent magnet but no one, other than you, is suggesting that there might be a permanent magnet there.

Quote from: Plat Terra
You're theory is toast.
Nope!
  • The earth is known to be a Globe for numerous other reasons.
  • The earth does have a magnetic field and the surface magnetic pole locations precluding a buried permanent magnet.
The flow of molten iron and nickel due to convection (temperature differences) is turned into circular flows by the Coriolis effect.

Of course nobody's been down to see and measure it directly but, as near as can be ascertained from surface observations.
Quote from: Physics.org
What causes the Earth's magnetic field?
Our planetís magnetic field is believed to be generated deep down in the Earthís core.

Nobody has ever taken the mythical journey to the centre of the Earth, but by studying the way shockwaves from earthquakes travel through the planet, physicists have been able to work out its likely structure.

Right at the heart of the Earth is a solid inner core, two thirds of the size of the Moon and composed primarily of iron. At a hellish 5,700įC, this iron is as hot as the Sunís surface, but the crushing pressure caused by gravity prevents it from becoming liquid.

Surrounding this is the outer core, a 2,000 km thick layer of iron, nickel, and small quantities of other metals. Lower pressure than the inner core means the metal here is fluid.

Differences in temperature, pressure and composition within the outer core cause convection currents in the molten metal as cool, dense matter sinks whilst warm, less dense matter rises. The Coriolis force, resulting from the Earthís spin, also causes swirling whirlpools.

This flow of liquid iron generates electric currents, which in turn produce magnetic fields. Charged metals passing through these fields go on to create electric currents of their own, and so the cycle continues. This self-sustaining loop is known as the geodynamo.

The spiralling caused by the Coriolis force means that separate magnetic fields created are roughly aligned in the same direction, their combined effect adding up to produce one vast magnetic field engulfing the planet.
Those flows look something like shown in here:
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Why does the magnetic field move?
The lion's share of the protective magnetic bubble surrounding us is created by swirling molten iron in the outer core 3000 kilometres below our feet.

As the Earth rotates around its axis it creates twisted vortices of iron particles that carry a current, which in turn, generates a magnetic field.

Earth's magnetic fields are created by a combination of rotation and
convection currents in the molten outer core. (ABC: Julie Ramsden)


The unpredictable rise and fall of these turbulent underground systems causes constant changes in the magnetic field.

"Decade to decade you get variations as you might in the weather day to day in the atmosphere, Professor Moresi said.

"If one gets a little stronger, than the others it pulls the magnetic field in that direction."

Now, Mr Plat Terra, explain what is the cause of the magnetic field on your flat earth and explain why the magnetic poles wander so much.

The movement of Earth's North Magnetic Pole
across the Canadian arctic.
       

South magnetic pole and geomagnetic pole shifts 1900 - 2015
(Supplied: World Data Center for Geogmagnetism/Kyoto University)

Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #97 on: August 26, 2019, 05:09:33 PM »
how strong of a magnetic field are you looking for?
 - the same wacko magnitude similar to the gravity that crushes hills with a single rain fall?

last i recall, my metal car doesn't save gas when i drive in the N direction.
my toaster isn't stuck to the N wall of my house.
my old computer hard drives seemed to work just fine.
... and hills exist.

Forget rab

Answer above

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Plat Terra

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #98 on: August 26, 2019, 06:27:35 PM »
The dynamo has to be anchored and your outer core is too hot to create a magneting field. You're theory is toast.
No, anchoring the dynamo to prevent it spinning would prevent it from producing any strong magnetic field.
It is not to hot.

Once again, all you have are baseless claims, which show you either don't understand what you are talking about, or are blatantly lying about.

BTW, you would have to be a genius to create a magnetic field with just one rotation per day.  That idea should be patentable if you could prove it.
Sure, if you were dealing with a tiny ball.
It doesn't make much sense to patent something that requires objects on the scale of a planet.

And of course, you ignore the fact that this is not a problem for RE, but is a failed general argument against a magnetic field. It works just as well for a FE.

Why not, it's just one rotation a day at a smale scale.
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Oh, I see, the dynamo just follows along knowing where it's going.

Can you change a tire?

The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #99 on: August 26, 2019, 06:38:45 PM »
Those bike generators are different than the earth. Please note this.
ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #100 on: August 26, 2019, 06:42:22 PM »
The dynamo has to be anchored and your outer core is too hot to create a magneting field.
What has to be "anchored"?
The outer core might be too hot for it to be a permanent magnet but no one, other than you, is suggesting that there might be a permanent magnet there.

Quote from: Plat Terra
You're theory is toast.
Nope!
  • The earth is known to be a Globe for numerous other reasons.
  • The earth does have a magnetic field and the surface magnetic pole locations precluding a buried permanent magnet.
The flow of molten iron and nickel due to convection (temperature differences) is turned into circular flows by the Coriolis effect.

Of course nobody's been down to see and measure it directly but, as near as can be ascertained from surface observations.
Quote from: Physics.org
What causes the Earth's magnetic field?
Our planetís magnetic field is believed to be generated deep down in the Earthís core.

Nobody has ever taken the mythical journey to the centre of the Earth, but by studying the way shockwaves from earthquakes travel through the planet, physicists have been able to work out its likely structure.

Right at the heart of the Earth is a solid inner core, two thirds of the size of the Moon and composed primarily of iron. At a hellish 5,700įC, this iron is as hot as the Sunís surface, but the crushing pressure caused by gravity prevents it from becoming liquid.

Surrounding this is the outer core, a 2,000 km thick layer of iron, nickel, and small quantities of other metals. Lower pressure than the inner core means the metal here is fluid.

Differences in temperature, pressure and composition within the outer core cause convection currents in the molten metal as cool, dense matter sinks whilst warm, less dense matter rises. The Coriolis force, resulting from the Earthís spin, also causes swirling whirlpools.

This flow of liquid iron generates electric currents, which in turn produce magnetic fields. Charged metals passing through these fields go on to create electric currents of their own, and so the cycle continues. This self-sustaining loop is known as the geodynamo.

The spiralling caused by the Coriolis force means that separate magnetic fields created are roughly aligned in the same direction, their combined effect adding up to produce one vast magnetic field engulfing the planet.
Those flows look something like shown in here:
Quote
Why does the magnetic field move?
The lion's share of the protective magnetic bubble surrounding us is created by swirling molten iron in the outer core 3000 kilometres below our feet.

As the Earth rotates around its axis it creates twisted vortices of iron particles that carry a current, which in turn, generates a magnetic field.

Earth's magnetic fields are created by a combination of rotation and
convection currents in the molten outer core. (ABC: Julie Ramsden)


The unpredictable rise and fall of these turbulent underground systems causes constant changes in the magnetic field.

"Decade to decade you get variations as you might in the weather day to day in the atmosphere, Professor Moresi said.

"If one gets a little stronger, than the others it pulls the magnetic field in that direction."

Now, Mr Plat Terra, explain what is the cause of the magnetic field on your flat earth and explain why the magnetic poles wander so much.

The movement of Earth's North Magnetic Pole
across the Canadian arctic.
       

South magnetic pole and geomagnetic pole shifts 1900 - 2015
(Supplied: World Data Center for Geogmagnetism/Kyoto University)

The explanation you gathered is nothing but lame conjecture. There is no mechanics in your Globe theory to create a magnetic field. There is no separation between positive and negative with liquid iron from the inner core through the outer core. Itís just a molten mess and would short out if it was cool mercury. 

You cannot create a magnetic field with just one rotation per day. (You might be able to do it with 100 RPMs but would be useless for your theory. )
You cannot create a magnetic field unless you have a stationary component.
You cannot create a magnetic field without a separation between positive and negative.
You cannot create a magnetic field within 7,200 to 9,000 degrees Fahrenheit, and with liquid iron no matter how fast it spins. (Try it. Prove it)
You cannot prove so with any experiment. It would be ridicules to even attempt such an experiment. 

So, yes, your theory is indeed toast. Have you heard of cognitive dissonance?


« Last Edit: August 26, 2019, 06:48:37 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #101 on: August 26, 2019, 06:43:10 PM »
The dynamo has to be anchored and your outer core is too hot to create a magneting field.
What has to be "anchored"?
The outer core might be too hot for it to be a permanent magnet but no one, other than you, is suggesting that there might be a permanent magnet there.



If you don't like to muddy the waters, then show me where in my quote (you added) did I suggest a permanent magnet?
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #102 on: August 26, 2019, 06:54:28 PM »
You ddnt answer my question for some reason.

But also brought up another good point.
The magnetic field crested by the generators and dynamos youve ref'd earlier are made from electrons flowing caused by the moving of the windings.
So no the magnetic field is not caused by aligned iron in the core,
Its caused by The flow of the magma that rab has already pointed out.
Keep failing by providing examples that refute your own point.



So
What order of magnitude do you think our magnetic field is?

Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #103 on: August 26, 2019, 08:19:03 PM »
The explanation you gathered is nothing but lame conjecture. There is no mechanics in your Globe theory to create a magnetic field. There is no separation between positive and negative with liquid iron from the inner core through the outer core.

It's actually the outer core that's molten; the inner core is solid. But you're not one to let pesky things like facts get in the way of a rollicking argument.

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Itís just a molten mess and would short out if it was cool mercury.

Well, if that were true, it's a good thing it's not cool mercury, then, isn't it! Our magnetic compasses wouldn't work.

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You cannot create a magnetic field with just one rotation per day. (You might be able to do it with 100 RPMs but would be useless for your theory. )
You cannot create a magnetic field unless you have a stationary component.
You cannot create a magnetic field without a separation between positive and negative.
You cannot create a magnetic field within 7,200 to 9,000 degrees Fahrenheit, and with liquid iron no matter how fast it spins. (Try it. Prove it)

Says who? Do you have anything meaningful to back those statements up, or just more bluster? Given your fixation on high temperatures (which are actually irrelevant), you must be thinking that the Curie temperature of materials is relevant here. It's not.

Oh, yeah... you're the one here making the wild claims. It's up to you to show that they have merit. Good luck!!

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You cannot prove so with any experiment. It would be ridicules to even attempt such an experiment. 

Well, you're right about that, but not for the reason you suspect. In science, experiments don't produce proof, they provide data which can lead to conclusions, which can be replaced when more, or better (or both), data is available.

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So, yes, your theory is indeed toast. Have you heard of cognitive dissonance?

Yes. Never so much as around here, though!! "Cognitive dissonance" doesn't mean "anyone who disagrees with me is wrong!" The term is often heard on this forum by some flat-earther who's losing an argument at the moment., though
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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #104 on: August 26, 2019, 09:48:12 PM »
The dynamo has to be anchored and your outer core is too hot to create a magneting field.
What has to be "anchored"?
The outer core might be too hot for it to be a permanent magnet but no one, other than you, is suggesting that there might be a permanent magnet there.

Quote from: Plat Terra
You're theory is toast.
Nope!
  • The earth is known to be a Globe for numerous other reasons.
  • The earth does have a magnetic field and the surface magnetic pole locations precluding a buried permanent magnet.
The flow of molten iron and nickel due to convection (temperature differences) is turned into circular flows by the Coriolis effect.

Of course, nobody's been down to see and measure it directly but, as near as can be ascertained from surface observations.
Quote from: Physics.org
What causes the Earth's magnetic field?
Our planetís magnetic field is believed to be generated deep down in the Earthís core.

Nobody has ever taken the mythical journey to the centre of the Earth, but by studying the way shockwaves from earthquakes travel through the planet, physicists have been able to work out its likely structure.

Right at the heart of the Earth is a solid inner core, two thirds of the size of the Moon and composed primarily of iron. At a hellish 5,700įC, this iron is as hot as the Sunís surface, but the crushing pressure caused by gravity prevents it from becoming liquid.

Surrounding this is the outer core, a 2,000 km thick layer of iron, nickel, and small quantities of other metals. Lower pressure than the inner core means the metal here is fluid.

Differences in temperature, pressure and composition within the outer core cause convection currents in the molten metal as cool, dense matter sinks whilst warm, less dense matter rises. The Coriolis force, resulting from the Earthís spin, also causes swirling whirlpools.

This flow of liquid iron generates electric currents, which in turn produce magnetic fields. Charged metals passing through these fields go on to create electric currents of their own, and so the cycle continues. This self-sustaining loop is known as the geodynamo.

The spiralling caused by the Coriolis force means that separate magnetic fields created are roughly aligned in the same direction, their combined effect adding up to produce one vast magnetic field engulfing the planet.
Those flows look something like shown in here:
Quote
Why does the magnetic field move?
The lion's share of the protective magnetic bubble surrounding us is created by swirling molten iron in the outer core 3000 kilometres below our feet.

As the Earth rotates around its axis it creates twisted vortices of iron particles that carry a current, which in turn, generates a magnetic field.

Earth's magnetic fields are created by a combination of rotation and
convection currents in the molten outer core. (ABC: Julie Ramsden)


The unpredictable rise and fall of these turbulent underground systems causes constant changes in the magnetic field.

"Decade to decade you get variations as you might in the weather day to day in the atmosphere, Professor Moresi said.

"If one gets a little stronger, than the others it pulls the magnetic field in that direction."

Now, Mr Plat Terra, explain what is the cause of the magnetic field on your flat earth and explain why the magnetic poles wander so much.

The movement of Earth's North Magnetic Pole
across the Canadian arctic.
       

South magnetic pole and geomagnetic pole shifts 1900 - 2015
(Supplied: World Data Center for Geogmagnetism/Kyoto University)

If you don't like to muddy the waters, then show me where in my quote (you added) did I suggest a permanent magnet?
YOU said, "your outer core is too hot to create a magneting magnetic field".

The only reason that I can see for you to make such a claim is if YOU assumed a permanent magnetic core so I am not muddying the waters in the slightest!

Now answer the questions that I asked, thank you!

Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #105 on: August 26, 2019, 10:25:57 PM »
The dynamo has to be anchored and your outer core is too hot to create a magneting field.
What has to be "anchored"?
The outer core might be too hot for it to be a permanent magnet but no one, other than you, is suggesting that there might be a permanent magnet there.

Quote from: Plat Terra
You're theory is toast.
Nope!
  • The earth is known to be a Globe for numerous other reasons.
  • The earth does have a magnetic field and the surface magnetic pole locations precluding a buried permanent magnet.
The flow of molten iron and nickel due to convection (temperature differences) is turned into circular flows by the Coriolis effect.

Of course nobody's been down to see and measure it directly but, as near as can be ascertained from surface observations.
Quote from: Physics.org
What causes the Earth's magnetic field?
Our planetís magnetic field is believed to be generated deep down in the Earthís core.

Nobody has ever taken the mythical journey to the centre of the Earth, but by studying the way shockwaves from earthquakes travel through the planet, physicists have been able to work out its likely structure.

Right at the heart of the Earth is a solid inner core, two thirds of the size of the Moon and composed primarily of iron. At a hellish 5,700įC, this iron is as hot as the Sunís surface, but the crushing pressure caused by gravity prevents it from becoming liquid.

Surrounding this is the outer core, a 2,000 km thick layer of iron, nickel, and small quantities of other metals. Lower pressure than the inner core means the metal here is fluid.

Differences in temperature, pressure and composition within the outer core cause convection currents in the molten metal as cool, dense matter sinks whilst warm, less dense matter rises. The Coriolis force, resulting from the Earthís spin, also causes swirling whirlpools.

This flow of liquid iron generates electric currents, which in turn produce magnetic fields. Charged metals passing through these fields go on to create electric currents of their own, and so the cycle continues. This self-sustaining loop is known as the geodynamo.

The spiralling caused by the Coriolis force means that separate magnetic fields created are roughly aligned in the same direction, their combined effect adding up to produce one vast magnetic field engulfing the planet.
Those flows look something like shown in here:
Quote
Why does the magnetic field move?
The lion's share of the protective magnetic bubble surrounding us is created by swirling molten iron in the outer core 3000 kilometres below our feet.

As the Earth rotates around its axis it creates twisted vortices of iron particles that carry a current, which in turn, generates a magnetic field.

Earth's magnetic fields are created by a combination of rotation and
convection currents in the molten outer core. (ABC: Julie Ramsden)


The unpredictable rise and fall of these turbulent underground systems causes constant changes in the magnetic field.

"Decade to decade you get variations as you might in the weather day to day in the atmosphere, Professor Moresi said.

"If one gets a little stronger, than the others it pulls the magnetic field in that direction."

Now, Mr Plat Terra, explain what is the cause of the magnetic field on your flat earth and explain why the magnetic poles wander so much.

The movement of Earth's North Magnetic Pole
across the Canadian arctic.
       

South magnetic pole and geomagnetic pole shifts 1900 - 2015
(Supplied: World Data Center for Geogmagnetism/Kyoto University)

The explanation you gathered is nothing but lame conjecture. There is no mechanics in your Globe theory to create a magnetic field. There is no separation between positive and negative with liquid iron from the inner core through the outer core. Itís just a molten mess and would short out if it was cool mercury. 

You cannot create a magnetic field with just one rotation per day. (You might be able to do it with 100 RPMs but would be useless for your theory. )
You cannot create a magnetic field unless you have a stationary component.
You cannot create a magnetic field without a separation between positive and negative.
You cannot create a magnetic field within 7,200 to 9,000 degrees Fahrenheit, and with liquid iron no matter how fast it spins. (Try it. Prove it)
You cannot prove so with any experiment. It would be ridicules to even attempt such an experiment. 

So, yes, your theory is indeed toast. Have you heard of cognitive dissonance?

Plat Terra, has anybody ever asked you if you were born yesterday? You are the first person I've ever come across where that question has legitimacy. If you were to say you were created in a lab, and emerged recently as an adult with literally no life experience to refer to, I would be tempted to believe you.

It's like everybody on here is spoon feeding you the most basic factual fundamentals of the earth, to which you immediately reject.

Would you like a few memes on how earth's molten core and magnetic field work?

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #106 on: August 27, 2019, 02:36:50 AM »
Why not, it's just one rotation a day at a smale scale.
Because scale is important.

You cannot create a magnetic field with just one rotation per day. (You might be able to do it with 100 RPMs but would be useless for your theory. )
You cannot create a magnetic field unless you have a stationary component.
You cannot create a magnetic field without a separation between positive and negative.
You cannot create a magnetic field within 7,200 to 9,000 degrees Fahrenheit, and with liquid iron no matter how fast it spins.
And there you go with another pile of baseless assertions.
Do you have anything at all to back them up?
You have already shown your word is less than worthless.

Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #107 on: August 27, 2019, 02:51:09 AM »
Why does it have to be anchored?

Ask your mechanic, and let me know what type of look he gives you.

Those who dreamed up the heliocentric theory didnít really know much about mechanics, did they? They couldnít change their own carriage wheel.

I did ask my mechanic. He said two things while wringing the grease on his fingers into the creases of an already blackened red rag, "I'm no geophysicist, but this Plat fellow and the dynamo he keeps showing wouldn't power a decent blender, bolted or not, let alone magnetize the earth...Now give me a hit of whatever he's smoking or get out of my garage..."
I also asked my mechanic.  He just rolled his eyes and said "looks like this plat fellow is trolling the shit out you guys".
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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #108 on: August 27, 2019, 05:59:12 AM »
You cannot create a magnetic field with just one rotation per day. (You might be able to do it with 100 RPMs but would be useless for your theory. )
Yes, you can if the "dynamo" is big enough!

Quote from: Plat Terra
You cannot create a magnetic field unless you have a stationary component.
Yes, you can! All that is needed is relative motion!

Quote from: Plat Terra
You cannot create a magnetic field without a separation between positive and negative.
Yes, you can! All that is needed is a circulating current!

Quote from: Plat Terra
You cannot create a magnetic field within 7,200 to 9,000 degrees Fahrenheit, and with liquid iron no matter how fast it spins. (Try it. Prove it)
Yes, you can! Why would you suggest otherwise? The liquid iron and nickel are liquid conductors - why does the temperature matter?

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You cannot prove so with any experiment. It would be ridicules to even attempt such an experiment. 
Why would we try? Where could you experiment with molten iron and nickel at 7,200 to 9,000 degrees Fahrenheit larger than the size of the moon.

Now YOU tell me where the magnetic field on you flat earth comes from and why do the magnetic poles wander the way they do?

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #109 on: August 28, 2019, 08:37:42 AM »
Magnetic fields are not generated by "X Rotations a Day." They are generated by X RPMS.

The Globe Earth theory does not alow for a realistic magnetic field. So, some in the the Globe Comunity will settle and defend anything even if it's just a fantasy field.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #110 on: August 28, 2019, 08:59:10 AM »
Really?
The very easily verifiable world of electro magnetism would disagree.

Are you saying that the flow of magma cant create a mag field?

how strong a mag field are you expectibg earth to have/ need?

You realize generators what a high rpm because they want to produce a high mag field?

As pointed out to you the rotation of earth is not the source, its the internal magma.
Acknowledge this pov and stop saying nonsense.

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #111 on: August 28, 2019, 09:50:20 AM »
As to your other query, you might note that at the south pole that indeed a compass does
Not according to the NOAA.
It might "flip and act erratic" over the magnetic South Pole, in 2019 at about 64.147įS 135.924įE, not even in Antarctica nor within the Antarctic circle.
The magnetic south pole is nowhere near those coordinates. The South Magnetic Pole is, but the south magnetic pole is roughly in the 'centre' (geographically) of the disk.

For what its worth, when I was near the coast of Antartica, I saw no flipping, which would be consistent with both models.

The illusion is shattered if we ask what goes on behind the scenes.

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #112 on: August 28, 2019, 10:04:06 AM »

As pointed out to you the rotation of earth is not the source, its the internal magma.
Acknowledge this pov and stop saying nonsense.

Yes, it  is the source according to the Globe theory. Now people here want to change the theory because it's been exposed to be nonsense.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #113 on: August 28, 2019, 12:40:43 PM »

As pointed out to you the rotation of earth is not the source, its the internal magma.
Acknowledge this pov and stop saying nonsense.

Yes, it  is the source according to the Globe theory. Now people here want to change the theory because it's been exposed to be nonsense.

Shoukd correct my typo.
 - It is ALSO the internal magma.

As rab pointed out to you.
But do go on ignoring all corrections to your incorrect statements.


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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #114 on: August 28, 2019, 01:26:14 PM »
As to your other query, you might note that at the south pole that indeed a compass does
Not according to the NOAA.
It might "flip and act erratic" over the magnetic South Pole, in 2019 at about 64.147įS 135.924įE, not even in Antarctica nor within the Antarctic circle.
The magnetic south pole is nowhere near those coordinates. The South Magnetic Pole is, but the south magnetic pole is roughly in the 'centre' (geographically) of the disk.
What disk?
I should have written "South Magnetic Pole" and that is "at about 64.147įS 135.924įE, not even in Antarctica nor within the Antarctic circle."

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For what its worth, when I was near the coast of Antartica, I saw no flipping, which would be consistent with both models.
So what?
You were around Punta Arenas, Chile, at 53.164į S, 70.917į W and nowhere near South Magnetic Pole so, of course, you saw no flipping!
I'm far closer to the South Magnetic Pole here near Brisbane than you were.


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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #115 on: August 28, 2019, 01:33:52 PM »
Yes, it  is the source according to the Globe theory. Now people here want to change the theory because it's been exposed to be nonsense.
No theory is being changed!
The Earth's magnetic is thought to be generated in the fluid part of the outer core, mainly molten iron and nickel.
It is caused by thermal convection and the Coriolis effect caused by that vertical movement and the earth's rotation.

Now, there is a magnetic field on the earth so YOU tell us what causes that magnetic field on your flat earth.

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #116 on: August 28, 2019, 01:45:50 PM »
As to your other query, you might note that at the south pole that indeed a compass does
Not according to the NOAA.
It might "flip and act erratic" over the magnetic South Pole, in 2019 at about 64.147įS 135.924įE, not even in Antarctica nor within the Antarctic circle.
The magnetic south pole is nowhere near those coordinates. The South Magnetic Pole is, but the south magnetic pole is roughly in the 'centre' (geographically) of the disk.
What disk?
I should have written "South Magnetic Pole" and that is "at about 64.147įS 135.924įE, not even in Antarctica nor within the Antarctic circle."
Okay, so you are talking about somewhere completely different than where I claimed you'd see the "flipping" and inconsistencies. I am talking about the south pole, or the magnetic south pole, or the south magnetic pole - not the South Magnetic Pole, a geographic location.

Yes, I have no seen this myself. You can see what I'm talking about here:

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Quote from: John Davis
For what its worth, when I was near the coast of Antartica, I saw no flipping, which would be consistent with both models.
So what?
You were around Punta Arenas, Chile, at 53.164į S, 70.917į W and nowhere near South Magnetic Pole so, of course, you saw no flipping!
I'm far closer to the South Magnetic Pole here near Brisbane than you were.


Yes, that is why I said "For what its worth."

The illusion is shattered if we ask what goes on behind the scenes.

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #117 on: August 28, 2019, 02:35:46 PM »
Magnetic fields are not generated by "X Rotations a Day." They are generated by X RPMS.
There is no difference between those 2 other than the scale.
If it was generated by x rotations a day, then it would be generated by y rpms=x/1440 rpms
The issue is that that is not the valid unit or formula to use.

A simple dynamo like the one you have presented before is based upon linear velocity, as that is the force law relationship.
You can even get linear versions which have no rotation.

The Globe Earth theory does not alow for a realistic magnetic field.
You are yet to justify that at all.
So far all we have is your worthless, baseless assertion.

Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #118 on: August 28, 2019, 02:39:51 PM »
Magnetic fields are not generated by "X Rotations a Day." They are generated by X RPMS.
There is no difference between those 2 other than the scale.
If it was generated by x rotations a day, then it would be generated by y rpms=x/1440 rpms
The issue is that that is not the valid unit or formula to use.

A simple dynamo like the one you have presented before is based upon linear velocity, as that is the force law relationship.
You can even get linear versions which have no rotation.

The Globe Earth theory does not alow for a realistic magnetic field.
You are yet to justify that at all.
So far all we have is your worthless, baseless assertion.

A millions times overly complicated response to plata.
Haha

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Re: Can you design a compass for a spherical world?
« Reply #119 on: August 29, 2019, 11:38:37 AM »
When navigating itís good to have the correct compass for the World you live on, otherwise you can get lost. Which do you use? A compass for a Plane world that points horizontally to north or for a Hemispherical world that points to north through Earth with a guided surface pointer?





Sorry a bit behind the times again.

But for clarification you do not use a compass to navigate at sea.

The compass is used to hold a heading, which in tandem with measuring the speed of the vessel (dead reckoning) allowed the captain or navigator, using a quadrant to mark an arc of potential on their navigation maps/charts. There is a degree of error in there, but it is only used to measure the potential distance travelled between navigation points.

Navigation requires deriving the longitude and latitude of the vessel, mainly done through celestial navigation, midday during day light hours and anytime at night. All you need is a calendar, navigation tables showing sun positions and star charts relating to date.

From the 1700's onward nautical watches made this form of navigation extremely accurate and the calculation of longitude simple.

All the compass is required for is headings, if they point consistently and predictably, which you can observe with any good quality compass, they are doing their job.

Another observable fact that the majority of sailors did not get lost and those that did were down to human error.
You have to learn to reply without quoting a long previous answer.