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Who's responsible for Epstein's fate?

The Clinton's have obviously suicided him like so many others!
12 (32.4%)
Trump has maga'd him to death!
4 (10.8%)
I believe the official story that it's just a suicide.  I also believe that bedsheets melt at 900 degrees.
3 (8.1%)
He's not dead.  The body was a fake and this was an elaborate escape.
6 (16.2%)
Epstein used his powers as a pedophile indigo child to ascend to space like L Ron Hubbard.
12 (32.4%)

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2019, 03:42:04 PM »
What markjo said, or: he broke it with his arm and body on purpose.

I'm not saying it couldn't have been a conspiracy, but if it was, it was a shit-show of a job.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #61 on: August 15, 2019, 04:29:37 PM »
But the question is, can someone break bones in their neck from doing what Epstein allegedly did--wrapping the sheet around his neck, tying it to the bunk bed, and slowly falling forward to asphyxiate himself.

Apparently yes.  Bones (including neck bones) tend to get more brittle with age and such fractures are not uncommon in suicides.
While there's still no indication of foul play, questions have been swirling around the death of Epstein since last Saturday when he was found unresponsive in his federal jail cell. But experts say the disclosure that he broke his hyoid bone, a small horseshoe-shaped bone near the base of the human jaw, provides no reason to doubt that Epstein killed himself.

"It wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibilities, with no evidence of foul play, that he hanged himself and got the hyoid fracture that way,” said NBC News medical correspondent Dr. John Torres. "That wouldn’t be unusual."

Torres said hyoid fractures grow more likely for older adults and studies show them to occur in roughly 25 percent of hanging deaths and 35 percent of strangulation deaths.


Wait... A fracture of the hyoid?  I thought it was a vertebre, not that.  Sheesh, and here we got worked up over nothing.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2019, 12:56:58 AM »
The 25% study apparently had a small sample size. I saw another study with a much larger sample size which claimed it was 6%. So it might be lower. And the cases where that does happen typically requireore force, I'm not sure kneeling forward could have enough force.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2019, 01:05:06 AM »
If someone doesn't see something wrong with this story I am not sure what to say.

The interesting thing about this....those that typical say there is a conspiracy, reject there is something wrong. Those that usually say there is no conspiracy are declaring foul play
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2019, 01:30:16 AM »

Can’t believe there isn’t a Royal Family (UK) option, the Duke of York (Air miles Andy) not only is a slimy cretin who was a friend and alleged “client” but has some very unsavoury acquaintances, including Kazak oil barons, Tunisian money launderers and Libyan gun runners.

And as everybody knows the royals are lizard/illuminate/New world order murderers of Princess Di’ they are a shoe in for a cover up assassination.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2019, 01:56:09 AM »
If someone doesn't see something wrong with this story I am not sure what to say.

The interesting thing about this....those that typical say there is a conspiracy, reject there is something wrong. Those that usually say there is no conspiracy are declaring foul play

Something is wrong.  But it could be as simple as "dumbass guards" or as big as "murdered"
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2019, 07:17:03 AM »
Wait... A fracture of the hyoid?  I thought it was a vertebre, not that.  Sheesh, and here we got worked up over nothing.
Since when do conspiracy theorists bother waiting for the facts or read beyond the sensational headlines?
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2019, 07:42:30 AM »
If there was a conspiracy, it was in allowing him the time and the means to kill himself. On the other hand, prisons all across the US are overcrowded and understaffed.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #68 on: August 16, 2019, 02:42:07 PM »
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #69 on: August 16, 2019, 03:02:27 PM »
Which is exactly what they would say if they were conspiring to murder him!

This is further proof of a coverup.
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« Reply #70 on: August 16, 2019, 03:09:29 PM »
Which is exactly what they would say if they were conspiring to murder him!

This is further proof of a coverup.

That is the only logical conclusion.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2019, 04:46:30 PM »
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/jeffrey-epsteins-bodyguard-igor-zinoviev-on-his-old-boss.html

This is an interview with Epstein's former bodyguard/driver. I'm cutting out most of it, but it's interesting. Also, Igor doesn't have the best English. Anyway, I snipped out the part that has to do with the conspiracy.

The bold is the interviewer

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It was four years ago. You may not remember what you told me. I kept very good notes of what you and I said. It must come across as very harsh. But it’s the truth. I’m happy to understand a little better. He’s not alive. You don’t have anything to be afraid of anymore.

I’m not afraid. Beyond that just he is dead. I don’t want anything to be uncorrect. There’s too much shit in here, you know, already. He’s dead and just like, freaking people, just leave him alone.

Hold on. When did you find out he died?

Saturday or Sunday or whenever.

What did you think when you found that out?

What did I think?

Yeah.

Are you sure you want to hear what I am going to think?

Yeah.

Somebody helped him to do that.

You think somebody helped him kill himself?

Yeah.

Okay. Why?

Listen, you know, that’s going a little too deep.

I mean, I’m just trying to understand that maybe you’d be happy he was dead or you would be upset. I don’t know. Are you even feeling anything?

I’m not sad. I mean, I didn’t have anything against him, like a bad thing, you know? I don’t care about his life completely. I don’t give a, let’s say, like, crap about how he die, how he live, or how he’s managed.

I'm skipping some of the interview, and I don't know if the next bit has anything to do with the conspiracy, but Igor is paranoid.

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I get that. But you and I have a history at this point. One thing you told me, for instance — okay, one thing you told me is he got a heads up when the authorities were going to come to his house the night before.

Listen, what you say is between you and me —

You told me he would get phone calls the night before and eight o’clock the police are going to come. He would get a heads up from local police.

[Silence.]

You told me that, Igor. Want me to read the quote?

Well, you can read whatever you want right now. Don’t just — you can put yourself in big trouble.

You said: “He always do something wrong. There was some nights in question. There was at home arrest and police, before they come to the house, they call him and tell him they coming in at eight o’clock in the morning. It’s all corruption you know. It’s all bullshit.”

Listen, don’t put yourself in trouble. Seriously.

We talked about this.

I understand we got this.

I’m telling you to give you a chance to remember because we talked about this stuff. I know it’s hard. I don’t know what you mean about “put myself in trouble.”

Let that go. Seriously. Let that go.

Why is it so important? Are you worried about the local cops?

Listen, you’re really smart and I’m not going to offer that over the phone right now, okay? You’re really smart. You have no idea. Please!

What do you mean by that?

I can’t explain you. I can’t explain you over the phone any of this.

You said that last time. And we didn’t talk for years. You can tell the world who this guy was. You were with him for a long time. You know what I mean?

[Silence.]

I totally understand that you think he could have had help committing suicide.

First of all, I have to go right now. I have another client.

Still training people?

Yes. But just be careful. I’m not kidding.

What’s your email so I can send you —

Don’t do any kind of that stuff. Just don’t play it. Seriously.

Can you tell me why?

I can’t. I can’t.

May I ask you one more question?

Go ahead.

Have you been talking to anyone in the government, the FBI? Have they come to you?

[Long pause] Um. Great talking to you. Seriously. We talk later.

Really?

Bye.

All right. 

Bye.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2019, 06:12:59 PM »

Another thought I just had, maybe this was an autoerotic asphyxiation related death.

Eating a KFC $5 Fill Up.
Just got to the biscuit.
Half of which is now lodged in my sinus.


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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #73 on: August 17, 2019, 02:38:27 PM »
The correctional officers have already admitted they falsified their records. One of them was "volunteering" and wasn't a regular correctional officer.

Various people have gone from "the broken hyoid doesn't necessarily mean he was murdered" to "it means he wasn't murdered". The broken hyoid gives more credence to the murder hypothesis, it's not the reason people suspect he was murdered. The sheer number of convenient coincidences is very hard to disregard.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #74 on: August 17, 2019, 06:15:20 PM »
Various people have gone from "the broken hyoid doesn't necessarily mean he was murdered" to "it means he wasn't murdered". The broken hyoid gives more credence to the murder hypothesis, it's not the reason people suspect he was murdered. The sheer number of convenient coincidences is very hard to disregard.
Others have said that the broken hyroid bone needs to considered in the fuller context of all of the evidence (much of which the general public doesn't have access to).
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #75 on: August 18, 2019, 06:08:09 PM »


Hmmm...

Apparently this broken bone is more of an indication of homicide than suicide.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #76 on: August 22, 2019, 05:09:52 AM »
This is a good set of notes of the suspicious stuff:
https://deponysum.com/2019/08/13/epstein-death-sanity-notes/
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #77 on: August 28, 2019, 05:50:00 PM »
https://twitter.com/NewYorkFBI/status/1166805052687880195?s=20

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We are renewing our appeal for any possible victims of Jeffrey Epstein to contact us at 1-800-CALL-FBI.  If you have been victimized by Epstein, we would really like to hear from you.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #78 on: November 13, 2019, 09:55:27 AM »


ABC is on the hunt for the leaker.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #79 on: December 19, 2019, 11:24:51 AM »
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/surveillance-footage-outside-jeffrey-epsteins-cell-during-suicide-attempt-is-missing/

 
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Surveillance footage of the outside of Jeffrey Epstein’s cell at the troubled Metropolitan Correctional Center during his suicide attempt has gone missing, prosecutors revealed Wednesday.

That's not suspicious at all.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #80 on: December 19, 2019, 11:33:08 AM »
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/surveillance-footage-outside-jeffrey-epsteins-cell-during-suicide-attempt-is-missing/

 
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Surveillance footage of the outside of Jeffrey Epstein’s cell at the troubled Metropolitan Correctional Center during his suicide attempt has gone missing, prosecutors revealed Wednesday.

That's not suspicious at all.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #81 on: December 19, 2019, 12:07:49 PM »
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/surveillance-footage-outside-jeffrey-epsteins-cell-during-suicide-attempt-is-missing/

 
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Surveillance footage of the outside of Jeffrey Epstein’s cell at the troubled Metropolitan Correctional Center during his suicide attempt has gone missing, prosecutors revealed Wednesday.

That's not suspicious at all.

It's dangerous being involved with the Clintons.
And Trump, and the British royals, and countless other wealthy and powerful people
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #82 on: December 19, 2019, 01:45:34 PM »
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/surveillance-footage-outside-jeffrey-epsteins-cell-during-suicide-attempt-is-missing/

 
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Surveillance footage of the outside of Jeffrey Epstein’s cell at the troubled Metropolitan Correctional Center during his suicide attempt has gone missing, prosecutors revealed Wednesday.

That's not suspicious at all.

It's dangerous being involved with the Clintons.

Seriously, you think the Clintons would be this sloppy?  This is a woman who can sell Uranium that doesn't exist to Russians for a huge sum of money while also not owning the mines this non-existent uranium came from.  This is not a sloppy person.  She's a pro.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #83 on: December 19, 2019, 03:11:07 PM »
Why did the coroner rule it a suicide?
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #84 on: December 19, 2019, 03:18:53 PM »
Why did the coroner rule it a suicide?

Money talks. And self-preservation.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #85 on: December 20, 2019, 02:14:43 AM »
Why did the coroner rule it a suicide?

Money talks. And self-preservation.

And I'm sure the federal investivators, led by William Burr, would have totally ignored a sudden influx of money.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #86 on: December 20, 2019, 03:06:41 AM »
Why did the coroner rule it a suicide?

He spent time on Epstein’s island.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #87 on: December 20, 2019, 11:42:17 AM »
Why did the coroner rule it a suicide?
Because that's what it was made to look like.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #88 on: December 20, 2019, 01:22:21 PM »
Have you guys reported your evidence to the police?
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
« Reply #89 on: December 20, 2019, 01:40:09 PM »
Have you guys reported your evidence to the police?

This is America, where if you're a liberal you're innocent until proven innocent and if you're a conservative you're guilty until proven guilty. Who needs evidence?
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