When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1830 on: September 10, 2019, 02:25:02 AM »
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How does your sphere earth maintain balance?

Surly after so many years maintenance needs to be done to keep earths spin smooth, right?

How is it done according to your theory?

Or did they forget about this too? :)
The WGS-84 model is accepted as the definition of the size and shape of the earth.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1831 on: September 10, 2019, 05:31:36 AM »
I talked with a couple Optics Manufacturing Specialist today about the photos of Earth taken from the alleged ISS. Both were happy to help with my concerns, and both found that what I had to say and questions interesting.  One in particular said, ďIví not seen that before, I have Google readyĒ, after I said NASAís has pictures of Earth without any curve. He found the pictures and was speechless for a few moments.  I asked, how can a curved surface display such a straight horizon in a picture? He was still speechless. I asked again, and he said ďit canít.Ē
Nobody believes to talked to any "Optics Manufacturing Specialists". You mean you watched some flat Earth videos making claims they couldn't back up. Failed appeal to authority. And ended with a lie. The horizon at ground level SHOULD appear flat and straight.

I also learned that only a horizontal line will bow (distortion) perfectly to a concave shape or convex shape. But a curved line cannot distort to a straight line or convex to a perfect round line, but will become compressed and warp.
Another lie.

The reason for some of NASAís pictures not having the same curvature at the same distance has to do with the intentional position of the camera at such an angle that distorts the horizon to a convex shape they choose.  They cherry pick the angle of the camera to make it appear Earth is curved when itís clearly not and never get the angle quite right to match all pictures.

So all the videos using a fisheye lens, showing the horizon with a perfect horizon in a still shot belong to a horizontal line and not a curved line. So again, yes NASA fakes pictures of Earth by tilting the camera containing a fisheye lens.   
More lies. For the horizon to show what you claim it would have to ALWAYS be above the center of the image. It is not. Also, many pics are NOT using fish eye lenses as noted with the lack of distortion on foreground objects. Yet another fail from Plat Terra.



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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1832 on: September 10, 2019, 05:36:58 AM »
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How does your sphere earth maintain balance?

Surly after so many years maintenance needs to be done to keep earths spin smooth, right?

How is it done according to your theory?

Or did they forget about this too? :)
and on with the gish gallop

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1833 on: September 10, 2019, 06:37:38 AM »
Next……

How does your sphere earth maintain balance?

Surly after so many years maintenance needs to be done to keep earths spin smooth, right?

How is it done according to your theory?

Or did they forget about this too? :)
and on with the gish gallop

Was it answered?
Yes
A long time ago.
Newton.
Try and keep up, plata.

A body in motion stays in motion unless acted on by other forces.

In space theres no friction because...space.

Keep failing High school.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1834 on: September 10, 2019, 06:42:59 AM »
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How does your sphere earth maintain balance?

Surly after so many years maintenance needs to be done to keep earths spin smooth, right?

How is it done according to your theory?

Or did they forget about this too? :)

We change the oil every 4,000 years, and rotate the air in the tires.
I will always be Here To Laugh At You.

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1835 on: September 10, 2019, 06:49:51 AM »
And dont call me, Shirley.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1836 on: September 10, 2019, 07:29:35 AM »
NextÖÖ

How does your sphere earth maintain balance?

Surly after so many years maintenance needs to be done to keep earths spin smooth, right?

How is it done according to your theory?

Or did they forget about this too? :)

We change the oil every 4,000 years, and rotate the air in the tires.

You have to think bigger.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1837 on: September 10, 2019, 08:57:16 AM »
NextÖÖ

How does your sphere earth maintain balance?

Surly after so many years maintenance needs to be done to keep earths spin smooth, right?

How is it done according to your theory?

Or did they forget about this too? :)

We change the oil every 4,000 years, and rotate the air in the tires.

You have to think bigger.

Funny your inability to "think bigger" when we keep telking you that the giant blue marble looks flat when youre tiny and against its surface.

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1838 on: September 10, 2019, 02:02:52 PM »
I find it astonishing that there are people exist that actually believe the earth to be flat. The fact that 99.99% of the world's scientists and physicists believe and have demonstrated proof of a spherical earth and the FE folk have provided nothing means what exactly? They somehow got it all wrong?

I guess we can all believe what we want at the end of the day, right? Be that a flat earth, that the moon is made of cheese or whatever!

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1839 on: September 10, 2019, 02:39:24 PM »
I find it astonishing that there are people exist that actually believe the earth to be flat. The fact that 99.99% of the world's scientists and physicists believe and have demonstrated proof of a spherical earth and the FE folk have provided nothing means what exactly? They somehow got it all wrong?

I guess we can all believe what we want at the end of the day, right? Be that a flat earth, that the moon is made of cheese or whatever!
Wait for it .... shouldn't take too long
You are stepping in BAD!

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1840 on: September 10, 2019, 03:11:29 PM »
I find it astonishing that there are people exist that actually believe the earth to be flat. The fact that 99.99% of the world's scientists and physicists believe and have demonstrated proof of a spherical earth and the FE folk have provided nothing means what exactly? They somehow got it all wrong?

I guess we can all believe what we want at the end of the day, right? Be that a flat earth, that the moon is made of cheese or whatever!

The Moon made of cheese? OK that's just ridiculous!

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1841 on: September 10, 2019, 03:18:19 PM »
NextÖÖ

How does your sphere earth maintain balance?

Surly after so many years maintenance needs to be done to keep earths spin smooth, right?

How is it done according to your theory?

Or did they forget about this too? :)

We change the oil every 4,000 years, and rotate the air in the tires.

You have to think bigger.

Man, I pray you are a guest speaker at the next flat earth conference. They have a long comedy stand up routine lineup, but any presentation from you, would bring the house down. Whatever happens, under no circumstances attempt to answer a question from a "globie" in the audience.

I'm looking forward to seeing you there in the video presentation they make.  ;)

Will you be the guy wearing the globe on your head, or the guy wearing the homemade flat earth designed t-shirt?
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1842 on: September 11, 2019, 04:03:42 PM »
Some canít stand the idea a Plane Earth Map was actually made and is accurate, but itís true. They want all to believe all maps were made with a Globe in mind, but they lie and push more fantasy. If you would like to learn how to understand and use Gleasonís Flat Earth map please have a look the following video.

In 1893, Gleason published his flat Earth chrome "Is the Earth From HeavenĒ which gave many flat Earth proofs and explained his map.


The Gleason's Map (1892) - The Masterpiece of a Genius | Flat Earth


Is the Bible from Heaven ? Is the Earth a Globe ? by Alexander Gleason (1893)

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The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1843 on: September 11, 2019, 04:22:49 PM »
Some canít stand the idea a Plane Earth Map was actually made and is accurate, but itís true. They want all to believe all maps were made with a Globe in mind, but itís just more fantasy they push. If you would like to learn how to understand and use Gleasonís Flat Earth map please have a look the following video.

In 1893, Gleason published his flat Earth chrome "Is the Earth From HeavenĒ which gave many flat Earth proofs and explained his map.


The Gleason's Map (1892) - The Masterpiece of a Genius | Flat Earth


There's no such thing as a flat earth map. All of the "maps" used as flat earth models are globe projections. Even Gleason, in his patent filing of his map said so:

"The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles."


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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1844 on: September 11, 2019, 04:39:17 PM »
What good does it do to light the candle of a fool?
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1845 on: September 11, 2019, 04:44:12 PM »
What good does it do to light the candle of a fool?
That depends on which fool you're talking about.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1846 on: September 11, 2019, 04:56:14 PM »
What good does it do to light the candle of a fool?

In this sense, the irony is lost on the fool: A Flat Earther using a globe map.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1847 on: September 11, 2019, 05:18:12 PM »
What good does it do to light the candle of a fool?

A question best asked of youtube. They have lit MANY!
I will always be Here To Laugh At You.

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1848 on: September 11, 2019, 05:32:37 PM »
An I see you have abandoned ship once again.
Like I said, each time you ditch an argument rather than dealing with all the problems with it, it just further shows how desperate you are and how you have no backing for any of your insane claims.
With FE proponents like you, why would any sane REer admit defeat?

Some canít stand the idea a Plane Earth Map was actually made and is accurate, but itís true.
No, it is not true. It is a blatant lie pushed by FEers to pretend they have a map, meanwhile they also claim that every FE map presetned is just an example whenever a problem with it is pointed out.

Gleason never produced a FE map. They produced a PROJECTION! Do you understand that? It is literally written on the projection.
It is not a FE map. It has the same issues of distortion of mapping a round surface onto a flat one. It is an azimuthal equidistant projection.
Near the north pole it is reasonably accurate, but it is horribly distorted in the south. For example, it massively stretches Australia.

So no, it is not an accurate FE map.

Yes, maps are based upon a globe. This is even shown with the reference to latitude and longitude. Latitude makes no sense as an angular measurement for a FE, as there is no angle for it to measure, but makes perfect sense on a RE.

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1849 on: September 11, 2019, 06:54:33 PM »
Some canít stand the idea a Plane Earth Map was actually made and is accurate, but itís true. They want all to believe all maps were made with a Globe in mind, but they lie and push more fantasy. If you would like to learn how to understand and use Gleasonís Flat Earth map please have a look the following video.

How many times are you going to assert crap like this?  You couldn't solve the Southern Cross paradox; therefore the FE map has failed.  Let me add a log to that fire:

A popular rebuttal to the FE map is the infamous Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia flight offered by Qantas.  This flight does not work on the Gleason map.  It is a real flight, offered almost daily (in both directions), and has an approximate time in flight of around 12 hours.  If the Earth is flat, these commercial, non-military aircraft would need to be capable of supersonic flight and have fuel capacities beyond what those airframes are known to possess.  In other words, they are not possible on a flat Earth.

I look forward to yet another dodge or outright ignore from you Plat.
With all the woes facing our planet do we need a flat earth to add to them...

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1850 on: September 11, 2019, 07:35:30 PM »
Some canít stand the idea a Plane Earth Map was actually made and is accurate, but itís true. They want all to believe all maps were made with a Globe in mind, but they lie and push more fantasy. If you would like to learn how to understand and use Gleasonís Flat Earth map please have a look the following video.

How many times are you going to assert crap like this?  You couldn't solve the Southern Cross paradox; therefore the FE map has failed.  Let me add a log to that fire:

A popular rebuttal to the FE map is the infamous Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia flight offered by Qantas.  This flight does not work on the Gleason map.  It is a real flight, offered almost daily (in both directions), and has an approximate time in flight of around 12 hours.  If the Earth is flat, these commercial, non-military aircraft would need to be capable of supersonic flight and have fuel capacities beyond what those airframes are known to possess.  In other words, they are not possible on a flat Earth.

I look forward to yet another dodge or outright ignore from you Plat.

Can I first see if you can answer a simple common sense question? I need to know if I would be wasting my time.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2203303#msg2203303
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1851 on: September 11, 2019, 07:43:36 PM »
Some canít stand the idea a Plane Earth Map was actually made and is accurate, but itís true. They want all to believe all maps were made with a Globe in mind, but they lie and push more fantasy. If you would like to learn how to understand and use Gleasonís Flat Earth map please have a look the following video.

How many times are you going to assert crap like this?  You couldn't solve the Southern Cross paradox; therefore the FE map has failed.  Let me add a log to that fire:

A popular rebuttal to the FE map is the infamous Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia flight offered by Qantas.  This flight does not work on the Gleason map.  It is a real flight, offered almost daily (in both directions), and has an approximate time in flight of around 12 hours.  If the Earth is flat, these commercial, non-military aircraft would need to be capable of supersonic flight and have fuel capacities beyond what those airframes are known to possess.  In other words, they are not possible on a flat Earth.

I look forward to yet another dodge or outright ignore from you Plat.

Can I first see if you can answer a simple common sense question? I need to know if I would be wasting my time.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2203303#msg2203303

Which of your already debunked notions are we to entertain now?

- Canals/Curvature
- Shadows/Eratosthenes
- NASA/ISS
- Sunsets
- Gravity
- Constellations
- Maps

Did I miss any? All have been refuted, so should we just keep cycling through them?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1852 on: September 11, 2019, 09:41:38 PM »
Some canít stand the idea a Plane Earth Map was actually made and is accurate, but itís true. They want all to believe all maps were made with a Globe in mind, but they lie and push more fantasy. If you would like to learn how to understand and use Gleasonís Flat Earth map please have a look the following video.

How many times are you going to assert crap like this?  You couldn't solve the Southern Cross paradox; therefore the FE map has failed.  Let me add a log to that fire:
Before wasting more time with your questions please explain how all places in the Southern Hemisphere see the Southern Celestial Pole (near Sigma Octantis) due south.

Unless you can answer that satisfactorily your Gleasonís "Flat Earth map" cannot be claimed to be an accurate "Flat Earth map" as you claim!

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A popular rebuttal to the FE map is the infamous Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia flight offered by Qantas.  This flight does not work on the Gleason map.  It is a real flight, offered almost daily (in both directions), and has an approximate time in flight of around 12 hours.  If the Earth is flat, these commercial, non-military aircraft would need to be capable of supersonic flight and have fuel capacities beyond what those airframes are known to possess.  In other words, they are not possible on a flat Earth.
Before wasting more time with your questions please explain how Qantas flights QFA27 and QFA28 manage to fly Sydney, Australia to/from Santiago, Chile in the times claimed and without running out of fuel.

Unless you can answer that satisfactorily your Gleasonís "Flat Earth map" cannot be claimed to be an accurate "Flat Earth map" as you claim!

Quote from: Plat Terra
Quote from: Gumwars
I look forward to yet another dodge or outright ignore from you Plat.

Can I first see if you can answer a simple common sense question? I need to know if I would be wasting my time.
No! You answer the above questions satisfactorily first!

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https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2203303#msg2203303
Got the message yet, Plat Terra?

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1853 on: September 12, 2019, 01:06:22 AM »
Can I first see if you can answer a simple common sense question? I need to know if I would be wasting my time.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2203303#msg2203303
We have already been over this. You have a false dichotomy.
You leave out 2 other options:
3 - The tide changes the water level, changing how much is obscured.
4 - The curvature of would block the view, but the variable refraction will allow varying amounts to be seen.

Now how about you answer some simple commonsense questions:
The sun appears to set and casts light and shadows upwards because:
1 - It is below you (i.e. in Cartesian coordinates with the +z axis being up for you, with you at a position of z=0, the sun is has a negative z coordinate), or:
2 - The sun is really above you, but pure magic makes it appear below you.

There are 2 celestial poles always 180 degrees apart because:
1- Earth is round, with a north and south pole, which align with the axis of rotation. The celestial poles are an extension of that axis to the celestial sphere, an imaginary sphere at infinite distance which the stars are projected onto.
2 - Earth is flat, but in complete defiance of all known laws regarding it, it magically results in 2 straight lines intersecting twice after some finite distance.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1854 on: September 12, 2019, 05:11:51 AM »
Some canít stand the idea a Plane Earth Map was actually made and is accurate, but itís true. They want all to believe all maps were made with a Globe in mind, but they lie and push more fantasy. If you would like to learn how to understand and use Gleasonís Flat Earth map please have a look the following video.

How many times are you going to assert crap like this?  You couldn't solve the Southern Cross paradox; therefore the FE map has failed.  Let me add a log to that fire:

A popular rebuttal to the FE map is the infamous Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia flight offered by Qantas.  This flight does not work on the Gleason map.  It is a real flight, offered almost daily (in both directions), and has an approximate time in flight of around 12 hours.  If the Earth is flat, these commercial, non-military aircraft would need to be capable of supersonic flight and have fuel capacities beyond what those airframes are known to possess.  In other words, they are not possible on a flat Earth.

I look forward to yet another dodge or outright ignore from you Plat.

Can I first see if you can answer a simple common sense question? I need to know if I would be wasting my time.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2203303#msg2203303
Why are you afraid to post your crap directly in this thread?

the answer is neither. The first picture has more refraction which you can tell both by the time of day when the water would have been cooler and by the temperature listed on the graphic you posted which shows the air temp cooler as well. Plus it was shown before that the tide was higher later in the day. Yet another fail from Plat Terra.

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1855 on: September 12, 2019, 06:36:06 AM »
Some canít stand the idea a Plane Earth Map was actually made and is accurate, but itís true. They want all to believe all maps were made with a Globe in mind, but they lie and push more fantasy. If you would like to learn how to understand and use Gleasonís Flat Earth map please have a look the following video.

How many times are you going to assert crap like this?  You couldn't solve the Southern Cross paradox; therefore the FE map has failed.  Let me add a log to that fire:

A popular rebuttal to the FE map is the infamous Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia flight offered by Qantas.  This flight does not work on the Gleason map.  It is a real flight, offered almost daily (in both directions), and has an approximate time in flight of around 12 hours.  If the Earth is flat, these commercial, non-military aircraft would need to be capable of supersonic flight and have fuel capacities beyond what those airframes are known to possess.  In other words, they are not possible on a flat Earth.

I look forward to yet another dodge or outright ignore from you Plat.

Can I first see if you can answer a simple common sense question? I need to know if I would be wasting my time.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2203303#msg2203303

You have no common sense.
You are wasting your time.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1856 on: September 12, 2019, 07:42:14 AM »
Gleason MAP, miles from Sydney, Australia to Santiago.

The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1857 on: September 12, 2019, 07:43:42 AM »
Yes, that specific flight crushes FE quite completely. Well, at least some of their maps (not sure Iíve seen all of them).

Has FE ever offered an explanation? Wise knows the flight just does not exist, though not sure everyone thinks the same.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1858 on: September 12, 2019, 07:52:43 AM »
Yes, that specific flight crushes FE quite completely. Well, at least some of their maps (not sure Iíve seen all of them).

Has FE ever offered an explanation? Wise knows the flight just does not exist, though not sure everyone thinks the same.

What explanation is needed considering the Gleason map?

The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1859 on: September 12, 2019, 07:54:11 AM »
Iíve thought the Gleason map is a moot point of sorts as it is a projection, no?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection
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