When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1470 on: September 01, 2019, 03:20:11 PM »
So you jump onto yet another topic.

Someone repeatedly jumping between topics is not someone with a strong argument or who is capable of defeating the opposition.
Instead that is someone who knows they have no case, who has no confidence in their arguments and instead tries to bury their opponent in bovine excrement in the hope it might take too long for them to climb out.

So good job showing yet another argument of yours is a complete failure and that there is absolutely no reason for the REers to be admitting defeat.

How does the Globe Community explain Earth not being eclipsed during each new moon and the moon not being eclipsed at the time of the full moon ?
The mechanics of your moon debunks your theory, right?
No, it doesn't.
During most new moons and full moons, the moon is not entirely new or entirely full.
The moon's orbit is inclined to the ecliptic such that only twice a year is there an alignment to cause eclipses, where the moon literally goes between the Earth and the sun or the sun goes between Earth and the moon.

Earth's radius is roughly 6371 km and it is roughly 150 000 000 km away from the sun.
The moon's radius is roughly 1737 km and it is roughly 385 000 km away from Earth.
The sun's radius is roughly 700 000 km.
So here is a diagram just for you Note: IT IS NOT TOO SCALE!:

In order to avoid eclipses the moon needs to be outside of these orange regions as drawn.
This means the moon needs to be ~1 degree out of alignment to avoid a lunar eclipse and ~1.6 degrees to avoid a solar eclipse.
Meanwhile in reality the Moon's orbit is inclined relative to the ecliptic by 5.145 degrees.

For the majority of the year the moon is not in the required alignment to produce an eclipse. This alignment only occurs twice every year, which corresponds to the same regions of the year when eclipses are observed.
So this works quite well with a RE.

Now I would ask how a FE explains it, but as a FE can't even explain eclipses to begin with, I figure that would be a rather pointless question.

So they made up an incline orbit to solve this problem.  Hmm
No, they have an inclined orbit in the model to have it match reality, i.e. the observed sub-lunar points on Earth and have the angles to the moon from other locations match.

It was not made to solve eclipses.

But that does not mean Earth is a sphere.
No one said it did.
You falsely claimed it causes a problem for a RE. It does no such thing.

However, a RE is the only kwown model which can accurately explain the apparent position of the moon and what we observe of it. This a problem you ran away from before.

This does not cause any problems.

Common sense used without indoctrination is all thatís needed to debunk a sphere earth.
Well you seem to severely lack common sense due to so much nonsense you have posted which goes directly against common sense.
What you need to debunk a round Earth is to radically change reality, as so far all the evidence indicates Earth is round, and you are yet to demonstrate any problem with a RE. Instead you just make baseless claims, get them refuted or exposed as entirely baseless, and then run.

This is yet another example of that.
Why do you have a bright sun, surrounded by darkness?
Why did you decide to have that much illuminated?
For the 5.145 degrees out of alignment, the most extreme case, from a front on view, for the region aligned with the sun where you get the maximum overlap, it amounts to all of 0.8% being illuminated.
In your yet another dishonest picture you have the sun being 32 pixels wide.
The moon is roughly the same size as the sun, not much larger as you have drawn it. Do you know how large a region should be lit up for the moon (at least for those sections directly in line with the sun)? 0.256 pixels. Much less than the 3 pixels you have drawn.
This will also be right near the very bright sun, making it quite difficult to see.

This will also be quite different to when the moon is 1 day out of alignment which equates to roughly 13 degrees out of alignment, and that is again different to the image you have provided where it is much more out of alignment.

So once again, no problem for a RE, and just avoidance of all the problems for a FE.

Oh, you need a hell of a lot more than that.
You mean now that you have been shown to be wrong yet again you will move the goalposts yet again.

then you have to explain why the sliver is on the right side of the moon the next night.
As we have already demonstrated with the prior arguments focusing on the moon which you felt the need to avoid, the region which is illuminated will vary depending upon where the moon is viewed.
It will be the side closest to the sun which is illuminated.
As an example, if you follow a hypothetically illuminated object it can appear to rise with the top illuminated.
You then follow it over the course of the time it is visible and see it with the right hand side illuminated. Then you continue to follow it and observe the bottom illuminated.

This apparent rotation is just because you are viewing from a different angle.
So no additional explanation is required.
It is once again you grasping at strawmen to try and save your failed FE by shovelling BS onto the working RE.

You just can't win. It's not possible. There is to many things wrong. Accept it and join the FE community!
You mean there is far too much BS you can come up with and throw at us without finding any actual problem?
Why would we join your side when you need to resort to such tactics?

While you continually avoid the massive problems with a FE, and only come up with lies to try and attack the RE I see absolutely no reason to defect.
I will stick with the side which can actually explain reality.

If you want me to accept defeat come up with an actual problem with a RE, and address the massive shortcomings of a FE.
Explain why/how the sun sets. Explain why/how there are 2 celestial poles always located 180 degrees apart. Explain the apparent the apparent position of celestial objects. Explain why/how everyone on Earth sees basically the same moon, yet in different positions. Explain eclipses. Explain what the motive is for lying about the shape of Earth when it provides no gain at all to the government or those promoting a RE.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1471 on: September 01, 2019, 03:26:44 PM »
So you jump onto yet another topic.

Someone repeatedly jumping between topics is not someone with a strong argument or who is capable of defeating the opposition.
Instead that is someone who knows they have no case, who has no confidence in their arguments and instead tries to bury their opponent in bovine excrement in the hope it might take too long for them to climb out.

So good job showing yet another argument of yours is a complete failure and that there is absolutely no reason for the REers to be admitting defeat.

How does the Globe Community explain Earth not being eclipsed during each new moon and the moon not being eclipsed at the time of the full moon ?
The mechanics of your moon debunks your theory, right?
No, it doesn't.
During most new moons and full moons, the moon is not entirely new or entirely full.
The moon's orbit is inclined to the ecliptic such that only twice a year is there an alignment to cause eclipses, where the moon literally goes between the Earth and the sun or the sun goes between Earth and the moon.

Earth's radius is roughly 6371 km and it is roughly 150 000 000 km away from the sun.
The moon's radius is roughly 1737 km and it is roughly 385 000 km away from Earth.
The sun's radius is roughly 700 000 km.
So here is a diagram just for you Note: IT IS NOT TOO SCALE!:

In order to avoid eclipses the moon needs to be outside of these orange regions as drawn.
This means the moon needs to be ~1 degree out of alignment to avoid a lunar eclipse and ~1.6 degrees to avoid a solar eclipse.
Meanwhile in reality the Moon's orbit is inclined relative to the ecliptic by 5.145 degrees.

For the majority of the year the moon is not in the required alignment to produce an eclipse. This alignment only occurs twice every year, which corresponds to the same regions of the year when eclipses are observed.
So this works quite well with a RE.

Now I would ask how a FE explains it, but as a FE can't even explain eclipses to begin with, I figure that would be a rather pointless question.

So they made up an incline orbit to solve this problem.  Hmm
No, they have an inclined orbit in the model to have it match reality, i.e. the observed sub-lunar points on Earth and have the angles to the moon from other locations match.

It was not made to solve eclipses.

But that does not mean Earth is a sphere.
No one said it did.
You falsely claimed it causes a problem for a RE. It does no such thing.

However, a RE is the only kwown model which can accurately explain the apparent position of the moon and what we observe of it. This a problem you ran away from before.

This does not cause any problems.

Common sense used without indoctrination is all thatís needed to debunk a sphere earth.
Well you seem to severely lack common sense due to so much nonsense you have posted which goes directly against common sense.
What you need to debunk a round Earth is to radically change reality, as so far all the evidence indicates Earth is round, and you are yet to demonstrate any problem with a RE. Instead you just make baseless claims, get them refuted or exposed as entirely baseless, and then run.

This is yet another example of that.
Why do you have a bright sun, surrounded by darkness?
Why did you decide to have that much illuminated?
For the 5.145 degrees out of alignment, the most extreme case, from a front on view, for the region aligned with the sun where you get the maximum overlap, it amounts to all of 0.8% being illuminated.
In your yet another dishonest picture you have the sun being 32 pixels wide.
The moon is roughly the same size as the sun, not much larger as you have drawn it. Do you know how large a region should be lit up for the moon (at least for those sections directly in line with the sun)? 0.256 pixels. Much less than the 3 pixels you have drawn.
This will also be right near the very bright sun, making it quite difficult to see.

This will also be quite different to when the moon is 1 day out of alignment which equates to roughly 13 degrees out of alignment, and that is again different to the image you have provided where it is much more out of alignment.

So once again, no problem for a RE, and just avoidance of all the problems for a FE.

Oh, you need a hell of a lot more than that.
You mean now that you have been shown to be wrong yet again you will move the goalposts yet again.

then you have to explain why the sliver is on the right side of the moon the next night.
As we have already demonstrated with the prior arguments focusing on the moon which you felt the need to avoid, the region which is illuminated will vary depending upon where the moon is viewed.
It will be the side closest to the sun which is illuminated.
As an example, if you follow a hypothetically illuminated object it can appear to rise with the top illuminated.
You then follow it over the course of the time it is visible and see it with the right hand side illuminated. Then you continue to follow it and observe the bottom illuminated.

This apparent rotation is just because you are viewing from a different angle.
So no additional explanation is required.
It is once again you grasping at strawmen to try and save your failed FE by shovelling BS onto the working RE.

You just can't win. It's not possible. There is to many things wrong. Accept it and join the FE community!
You mean there is far too much BS you can come up with and throw at us without finding any actual problem?
Why would we join your side when you need to resort to such tactics?

While you continually avoid the massive problems with a FE, and only come up with lies to try and attack the RE I see absolutely no reason to defect.
I will stick with the side which can actually explain reality.

If you want me to accept defeat come up with an actual problem with a RE, and address the massive shortcomings of a FE.
Explain why/how the sun sets. Explain why/how there are 2 celestial poles always located 180 degrees apart. Explain the apparent the apparent position of celestial objects. Explain why/how everyone on Earth sees basically the same moon, yet in different positions. Explain eclipses. Explain what the motive is for lying about the shape of Earth when it provides no gain at all to the government or those promoting a RE.

This is like epic rabinoz dedication. Could it be that rabinoz and JackBlack are one and the same?

You sure list a lot of 'conditions' to 'accept defeat'. How about you just accept you don't 'know it all' and that you could very well be wrong or missing information yourself.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1472 on: September 01, 2019, 03:27:02 PM »



Oh, you need a hell of a lot more than that. You also need to prove the incline for that month and then you have to explain why the sliver is on the right side of the moon the next night. The moon would have to raise in height for the sliver to transfer to the rightside within 24 hours. See, this is another major problem for your guys. You just can't win. It's not possible. There is to many things wrong. Accept it and join the FE community!



Maybe you could answer some questions as well:

How is it possible that FE concave disk moon looks the same when looked from East vs West, but inverted when looking from North vs South.  Or how a disk facing down doesn't look like an ellipse when observed with 45į angle.

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   I donít have an answer for you at this time. The camera is just a few feet from the concave plate. Its not thousands of miles away and thereís not multiple layers atmosphere with different types of gas that can make light bend multiple times. Science is involved with such a dome system.

I do know that no answer I give is going to make land and water rise up and curve so you can see if it measures to a sphere with a 3959 mile radius. Actually proving curvature should be your main concern.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1473 on: September 01, 2019, 03:28:43 PM »


Common sense used without indoctrination is all thatís needed to debunk a sphere earth.


the orbit is inclinced but the Moon is still to the side of the Sun. The lit side always points to the Sun. it MAY appear on the top or bottom depending on when and where the observer is viewing it and what direction they are facing. That effect is called field rotation and yet another sign we live on a round Earth but it does happen. It is why when you observe the Moon for multiple hours it can appear to rotate. It doesn't actually rotate, the observer does. At all times the North pole of the Moon still points to the North. Yet another FAIL from Plat Terra.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1474 on: September 01, 2019, 03:37:30 PM »
You sure list a lot of 'conditions' to 'accept defeat'.
It is really just 1 condition, provide a model which is better capable of explaining reality than the RE model.

The only one here claiming to know everything is you, even though you get plenty of things wrong.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1475 on: September 01, 2019, 03:37:59 PM »
You sure list a lot of 'conditions' to 'accept defeat'. How about you just accept you don't 'know it all' and that you could very well be wrong or missing information yourself.

As far as a list of conditions, I wouldn't say a lot, just 4-5 pretty core things.
And whoever ever said anyone knows it all? But that's not to say we know nothing. We know a lot of things and don't know a lot of things. But some pretty basic things we know, or, at a minimum, have an overwhelming amount of evidence to draw some really accurate conclusions that are tested out into reality. Tested out in the sense that they guide how things are engineered, built, managed and run around the globe.

The only real FE argument against GE is, "You're doing it all wrong...you should be doing all that you do using a flat earth model..." So really, until such time FE can show all that we do that is Globe based can be done better, or even done at all, using a flat earth model, the GE model reigns supreme.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1476 on: September 01, 2019, 03:39:23 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?
The FE model clearly cannot explain reality.
Rather than accept defeat you just appeal to ignorance and pretend there is no problem.

Yet without showing any problem with a RE and instead just appealing to your own ignorance you expect REers to accept defeat.
Why the dishonest double standard?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1477 on: September 01, 2019, 03:41:26 PM »


Common sense used without indoctrination is all thatís needed to debunk a sphere earth.


the orbit is inclinced but the Moon is still to the side of the Sun. The lit side always points to the side. it MAY appear on the top or bottom depending on when and where the observer is viewing it and what direction they are facing. That effect is called field rotation and yet another sign we live on a round Earth but it does happen. It is why when you observe the Moon for multiple hours it can appear to rotate. It doesn't actually rotate, the observer does. At all times the North pole of the Moon still points to the North. Yet another FAIL from Plat Terra.

NO, its not to the side. It's above or below. And it's not going to travel up in 24 hours so that it can be to the side for a right sided sliver. That's not a part of your moons mechanics.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2019, 03:47:56 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1478 on: September 01, 2019, 03:45:36 PM »


Common sense used without indoctrination is all thatís needed to debunk a sphere earth.


the orbit is inclinced but the Moon is still to the side of the Sun. The lit side always points to the side. it MAY appear on the top or bottom depending on when and where the observer is viewing it and what direction they are facing. That effect is called field rotation and yet another sign we live on a round Earth but it does happen. It is why when you observe the Moon for multiple hours it can appear to rotate. It doesn't actually rotate, the observer does. At all times the North pole of the Moon still points to the North. Yet another FAIL from Plat Terra.

NO, its not to the side. It's above or below. And it's not goind to travel up in 24 hours so that it can be to the side for a right sided sliver. That's not a part of your moons mechanics.

If you think you understand GE moon mechanics, why don't you explain the FE mechanics of the moon then. How it's superior and better fits reality.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1479 on: September 01, 2019, 03:46:12 PM »
You sure list a lot of 'conditions' to 'accept defeat'.
It is really just 1 condition, provide a model which is better capable of explaining reality than the RE model.

The only one here claiming to know everything is you, even though you get plenty of things wrong.

You just think I am wrong. But history will prove me right such as the fixed size of the Universe. It may take well beyond your life time but I on the other hand have all the time in the universe so I am not fussed


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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1480 on: September 01, 2019, 03:46:29 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.

You let me know when you or anyone else has verified the curvature bulge at center over Florida. Fake pictures and words of people using geo-instruments won't do it.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1481 on: September 01, 2019, 03:50:05 PM »
NO, its not to the side. It's above or below. And it's not goind to travel up in 24 hours so that it can be to the side for a right sided sliver. That's not a part of your moons mechanics.
I already explained it. Why do you always ignore it when you are given the answer?
The side towards the sun will be illuminated, always.
Some times that will appear as the top. Other times it will appear as the side. Other times it will appear as the bottom.
And that will change over the course of a day as it appears in different locations in the sky.

You are yet to show any problem.

Because Earth is a Plane.

You let me know when you or anyone else has verified the curvature bulge at center over Florida. Fake pictures and words of people using geo-instruments won't do it.
Then why are you completely incapable of defending it or pointing out any problem with the RE?
Why do you instead just repeatedly appeal to your ignorance?
The curvature of Earth has been verified countless times. You choosing to remain wilfully ignorant of that will not change that fact.

All you have to attack the RE is your ignorance. You choosing to ignore that curvature has been verified. You choosing to ignore how celestial mechanics work. You are yet to provide any actual problem.
Meanwhile, you have been presented with actual problems with a FE, which you have no answer for. Yet you cling to a FE and expect people to reject RE?
Why would any sane person do that?

All the evidence points to a RE.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1482 on: September 01, 2019, 04:05:13 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.

You let me know when you or anyone else has verified the curvature bulge at center over Florida. Fake pictures and words of people using geo-instruments won't do it.

You state, "let me know when you or anyone else has verified the curvature bulge at center over Florida." But then go on to say, "words of people using geo-instruments won't do it."

So on the one hand, you want to hear from people who have done it then on the other, don't want to accept anything from people who have done it. What's that all about?

And what's a "geo-instrument"?

Here are the people who have done it. I've repeatedly asked you to give them a call if you want to know more. You have refused. The bottom line is that people have and still do it, everywhere. Not even just in Florida. So you are flat out wrong.

From the Florida Administrative Code & Administrative Register:

https://www.flrules.org

CHAPTER 5J-17

BOARD OF PROFESSIONAL SURVEYORS AND MAPPERS

5J-17.050 Minimum Technical Standards: Definitions.


As used in this chapter, the following terms have the following meanings:

(3) Geodetic: a survey or mapping process that takes into account the curvature of the earth and astronomic observations, and which results in positions expressed on a recognized datum.
(4) Map of Survey (or Survey Map): a graphical or digital depiction of the facts of size, shape, identity, geodetic location, or legal location determined by a survey. The term ďMap of SurveyĒ (Survey Map) includes the terms: Sketch of Survey, Plat of Survey, or other similar titles. ďMap of SurveyĒ or ďSurvey MapĒ may also be referred to as ďa mapĒ or ďthe map.Ē
(10) Survey: the orderly process of determining facts of size, shape, identity, geodetic location, or legal location by viewing and applying direct measurement of features on or near the earthís surface using field or image methods; defined as follows according to the type of data obtained, the methods used, and the purpose(s) to be served

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1483 on: September 01, 2019, 04:07:47 PM »
Common sense used without indoctrination is all thatís needed to debunk a sphere earth.
No common sense with indoctrination from fake YouTube videos that use "composite photos" videos is necessary to pretend that you debunk a sphere earth.

But a little common sense, observation and knowledge of astronomy, known for centuries, is all that is needed to know that YOU are know nothing.

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So you draw all your conclusions from a grossly "Not to Scale" diagram! Try drawing it a bit closer to scale as here:


Now, with the moon no more than about 5į from the centre of the sun, do you think you light have a chance of seeing your "crescent moon"?

Run away with your silly deceptive meaningless memes!

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1484 on: September 01, 2019, 04:10:35 PM »
They aren't memes, they are infographics

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1485 on: September 01, 2019, 04:17:08 PM »
They aren't memes, they are infographics

Infographic is being wildly generous.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1486 on: September 01, 2019, 04:44:09 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.
Then why don't you have a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1487 on: September 01, 2019, 05:13:28 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.
Then why don't you have a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?

We do and if we just use a concave disk filled with water, rocks and sand in the middle laying on the ground, it would be 100% better than your Globe Model that canít hold water. We would get a grade of A and you a F for failing to do so after 500 years.  You need it to hold water to compete. That's important for life. This isn't a game for toys.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1488 on: September 01, 2019, 05:22:58 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.
Then why don't you have a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?

We do and if we just use a concave disk filled with water, rocks and sand in the middle laying on the ground, it would be 100% better than your Globe Model that canít hold water. We would get a grade of A and you a F for failing to do so after 500 years.  You need it to hold water to compete. That's important for life. This isn't a game for toys.

If you do have a better model, how come it's not used for world transport/navigation by land, sea, and air of goods and people?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1489 on: September 01, 2019, 05:31:43 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.
Then why don't you have a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?

We do and if we just use a concave disk filled with water, rocks and sand in the middle laying on the ground, it would be 100% better than your Globe Model that canít hold water. We would get a grade of A and you a F for failing to do so after 500 years.  You need it to hold water to compete. That's important for life. This isn't a game for toys.

If you do have a better model, how come it's not used for world transport/navigation by land, sea, and air of goods and people?

It's too small, like your waterless one.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1490 on: September 01, 2019, 05:34:29 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.
Then why don't you have a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?

We do and if we just use a concave disk filled with water, rocks and sand in the middle laying on the ground, it would be 100% better than your Globe Model that canít hold water. We would get a grade of A and you a F for failing to do so after 500 years.  You need it to hold water to compete. That's important for life. This isn't a game for toys.

What drugs are you on, and where can I get some? The sheer mass of the earth causes everything to stick to it's surface by a force called GRAVITY. You can't recreate that effect, with a tennis ball, and a glass of water, numb nuts.

You get an A++ for STUPID.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1491 on: September 01, 2019, 05:36:46 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.
Then why don't you have a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?

We do and if we just use a concave disk filled with water, rocks and sand in the middle laying on the ground, it would be 100% better than your Globe Model that canít hold water. We would get a grade of A and you a F for failing to do so after 500 years.  You need it to hold water to compete. That's important for life. This isn't a game for toys.

If you do have a better model, how come it's not used for world transport/navigation by land, sea, and air of goods and people?

It's too small, like your waterless one.

I don't understand. What are you saying?

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Plat Terra

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1492 on: September 01, 2019, 06:04:00 PM »
Common sense used without indoctrination is all thatís needed to debunk a sphere earth.
No common sense with indoctrination from fake YouTube videos that use "composite photos" videos is necessary to pretend that you debunk a sphere earth.

But a little common sense, observation and knowledge of astronomy, known for centuries, is all that is needed to know that YOU are know nothing.

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So you draw all your conclusions from a grossly "Not to Scale" diagram! Try drawing it a bit closer to scale as here:


Now, with the moon no more than about 5į from the centre of the sun, do you think you light have a chance of seeing your "crescent moon"?

Run away with your silly deceptive meaningless memes!

Sure you could see it on your sphere earth right after the sun went down. It woud be a few degrees above the horizon and how often you see it would depend on atmospheric conditions. Hell, with today's optic lenes and filters it would be viewed all the time with pictures of it everyhere. But that's not the case, is it? Why? Because Earth is not a fantasy sphere.   It's time to join the FE Community, right?
« Last Edit: September 01, 2019, 06:06:15 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1493 on: September 01, 2019, 06:07:02 PM »
Common sense used without indoctrination is all thatís needed to debunk a sphere earth.
No common sense with indoctrination from fake YouTube videos that use "composite photos" videos is necessary to pretend that you debunk a sphere earth.

But a little common sense, observation and knowledge of astronomy, known for centuries, is all that is needed to know that YOU are know nothing.

Quote from: Plat Terra

So you draw all your conclusions from a grossly "Not to Scale" diagram! Try drawing it a bit closer to scale as here:


Now, with the moon no more than about 5į from the centre of the sun, do you think you light have a chance of seeing your "crescent moon"?

Run away with your silly deceptive meaningless memes!

Sure you could see it on your sphere earth right after the sun went down. It woud be a few degrees above the horizon and how often you see it would depend on atmospheric conditions. Hell, with today's optic lenes filters it would be viewed all the time with pictures of it everyhere. But that's not the case, is it? Why? Because Earth is not a fantasy sphere.   It's time to join the FE Community, right?

And your flat Earth sun??

Hell, with today's optic lens filters it would be viewed all the time with pictures of it everyhere. But that's not the case, is it? Why?
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Plat Terra

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1494 on: September 01, 2019, 06:10:56 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.
Then why don't you have a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?

We do and if we just use a concave disk filled with water, rocks and sand in the middle laying on the ground, it would be 100% better than your Globe Model that canít hold water. We would get a grade of A and you a F for failing to do so after 500 years.  You need it to hold water to compete. That's important for life. This isn't a game for toys.

What drugs are you on, and where can I get some? The sheer mass of the earth causes everything to stick to it's surface by a force called GRAVITY. You can't recreate that effect, with a tennis ball, and a glass of water, numb nuts.

You get an A++ for STUPID.

A sphere earth with a 3959 mile radius is not very big. Hell, there would be a curvature drop of 6' just 3 miles out all around you. And you wonder why it floods.  Massive is an infinite Plane.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1495 on: September 01, 2019, 06:32:59 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.
Then why don't you have a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?

We do and if we just use a concave disk filled with water, rocks and sand in the middle laying on the ground, it would be 100% better than your Globe Model that canít hold water. We would get a grade of A and you a F for failing to do so after 500 years.  You need it to hold water to compete. That's important for life. This isn't a game for toys.

What drugs are you on, and where can I get some? The sheer mass of the earth causes everything to stick to it's surface by a force called GRAVITY. You can't recreate that effect, with a tennis ball, and a glass of water, numb nuts.

You get an A++ for STUPID.

A sphere earth with a 3959 mile radius is not very big. Hell, there would be a curvature drop of 6' just 3 miles out all around you. And you wonder why it floods.  Massive is an infinite Plane.

Technically, you can't modify 'infinite' with 'massive'. 'Infinite' is considered an absolute. Infinite is neither massive nor tiny, it is endless, therefore no scale can be applied to it in its entirety because it has no entirety.

As for a sphere with a 3959 mile radius and a 25,000 mile circumference, on a human scale, now that is massive.

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Wolvaccine

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1496 on: September 01, 2019, 06:39:52 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.
Then why don't you have a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?

We do and if we just use a concave disk filled with water, rocks and sand in the middle laying on the ground, it would be 100% better than your Globe Model that canít hold water. We would get a grade of A and you a F for failing to do so after 500 years.  You need it to hold water to compete. That's important for life. This isn't a game for toys.

What drugs are you on, and where can I get some? The sheer mass of the earth causes everything to stick to it's surface by a force called GRAVITY. You can't recreate that effect, with a tennis ball, and a glass of water, numb nuts.

You get an A++ for STUPID.

A sphere earth with a 3959 mile radius is not very big. Hell, there would be a curvature drop of 6' just 3 miles out all around you. And you wonder why it floods.  Massive is an infinite Plane.

Technically, you can't modify 'infinite' with 'massive'. 'Infinite' is considered an absolute. Infinite is neither massive nor tiny, it is endless, therefore no scale can be applied to it in its entirety because it has no entirety.

As for a sphere with a 3959 mile radius and a 25,000 mile circumference, on a human scale, now that is massive.

Can we stop using primitive and outdated imperial measurements? It's 6,357km radius and 40,075km circumference.

Thank you.

Oh wait. America is still regressive in this time. No worries, I'll wait a few decades for you to finally move in sync with the rest of the world.... ::) ::) 8)

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What animal relates to your wife?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1497 on: September 01, 2019, 06:44:46 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.
Then why don't you have a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?

We do and if we just use a concave disk filled with water, rocks and sand in the middle laying on the ground, it would be 100% better than your Globe Model that canít hold water. We would get a grade of A and you a F for failing to do so after 500 years.  You need it to hold water to compete. That's important for life. This isn't a game for toys.

What drugs are you on, and where can I get some? The sheer mass of the earth causes everything to stick to it's surface by a force called GRAVITY. You can't recreate that effect, with a tennis ball, and a glass of water, numb nuts.

You get an A++ for STUPID.

A sphere earth with a 3959 mile radius is not very big. Hell, there would be a curvature drop of 6' just 3 miles out all around you. And you wonder why it floods.  Massive is an infinite Plane.

Technically, you can't modify 'infinite' with 'massive'. 'Infinite' is considered an absolute. Infinite is neither massive nor tiny, it is endless, therefore no scale can be applied to it in its entirety because it has no entirety.

As for a sphere with a 3959 mile radius and a 25,000 mile circumference, on a human scale, now that is massive.

Can we stop using primitive and outdated imperial measurements? It's 6,357km radius and 40,075km circumference.

Thank you.

Oh wait. America is still regressive in this time. No worries, I'll wait a few decades for you to finally move in sync with the rest of the world.... ::) ::) 8)

More than a fair point. I think we've even crashed a plane and a rocket or two because of our death grip on imperial measurements.

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Plat Terra

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1498 on: September 01, 2019, 06:45:43 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.
Then why don't you have a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?

We do and if we just use a concave disk filled with water, rocks and sand in the middle laying on the ground, it would be 100% better than your Globe Model that canít hold water. We would get a grade of A and you a F for failing to do so after 500 years.  You need it to hold water to compete. That's important for life. This isn't a game for toys.

What drugs are you on, and where can I get some? The sheer mass of the earth causes everything to stick to it's surface by a force called GRAVITY. You can't recreate that effect, with a tennis ball, and a glass of water, numb nuts.

You get an A++ for STUPID.

A sphere earth with a 3959 mile radius is not very big. Hell, there would be a curvature drop of 6' just 3 miles out all around you. And you wonder why it floods.  Massive is an infinite Plane.

Technically, you can't modify 'infinite' with 'massive'. 'Infinite' is considered an absolute. Infinite is neither massive nor tiny, it is endless, therefore no scale can be applied to it in its entirety because it has no entirety.

As for a sphere with a 3959 mile radius and a 25,000 mile circumference, on a human scale, now that is massive.


Did you get beat up much when you went to school?
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Stash

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1499 on: September 01, 2019, 06:48:47 PM »
I donít have an answer for you at this time.
Then why not accept defeat?


Because Earth is a Plane.
Then why don't you have a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?

We do and if we just use a concave disk filled with water, rocks and sand in the middle laying on the ground, it would be 100% better than your Globe Model that canít hold water. We would get a grade of A and you a F for failing to do so after 500 years.  You need it to hold water to compete. That's important for life. This isn't a game for toys.

What drugs are you on, and where can I get some? The sheer mass of the earth causes everything to stick to it's surface by a force called GRAVITY. You can't recreate that effect, with a tennis ball, and a glass of water, numb nuts.

You get an A++ for STUPID.

A sphere earth with a 3959 mile radius is not very big. Hell, there would be a curvature drop of 6' just 3 miles out all around you. And you wonder why it floods.  Massive is an infinite Plane.

Technically, you can't modify 'infinite' with 'massive'. 'Infinite' is considered an absolute. Infinite is neither massive nor tiny, it is endless, therefore no scale can be applied to it in its entirety because it has no entirety.

As for a sphere with a 3959 mile radius and a 25,000 mile circumference, on a human scale, now that is massive.


Did you get beat up much when you went to school?


Did you go to school?