When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1230 on: August 28, 2019, 05:05:13 PM »
Maybe someone else would like to take a shot at the question.

Why would anyone (500 to 1,500 years ago) believe in and teach Earth is a Sphere after viewing this horizon (below) everywhere they went for most of their life and without someone elseís opinion about Earthís shape?

And is there a reason why no one here will give a simple direct and logical reply that pertains to the question?

Itís a very simply question. Answer it. What do you have to lose?



I'll answer your question...

It's simple, because the horizon is not the only thing there is to look at.

But the horizon is horizontal. What was the hard evedience that made someone believe it's curved?

I see you jumped to the next topic already. So no ice wall evidence and no answer for southern night sky. We can add those to the growing list of things  you failed to explain in this thread.

Regarding your question, how should I know what random people believed about the earths shape 500 years ago and why. I have no idea. Maybe if you name a historical character we can start from there.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1231 on: August 28, 2019, 05:08:20 PM »
Maybe someone else would like to take a shot at the question.

Why would anyone (500 to 1,500 years ago) believe in and teach Earth is a Sphere after viewing this horizon (below) everywhere they went for most of their life.

And is there a reason why no one here will give a simple direct and logical reply that pertains to the question?

Itís a very simply question. Answer it. What do you have to lose?



Because its a stupid question.
Youre asking someone to unknow what they know.
And if they were to say to self discover what they unknow to now know, you would predictively wave it off and say that it was already known.

See how awkward that last statement is?
Ask another stupid question like determining curvature across florida.

Alright I removed someone's opinion.

Why would anyone (500 to 1,500 years ago) believe in and teach Earth is a Sphere after viewing this horizon (below) everywhere they went for most of their life? What was the life changing evedience?

Well the greeks had an aristocrat society where people got paid to sit around and think.
They also lived on the coast and had a huge navy constantly fighting.
3 questions:
 1.Sunsets and sun rises appear to show the circle emerge from behind an edged horizon.  Why?
 2. Ships coming would rise out of thwater and going would disappear botttom first.  Why?
 3. The moon would cycle regularly but a special occurance during lunar eclipses show a shadow crossing ans they got to see the phases in action.  Why?

So graduate from grade 4 elemtranry school before arrogantly touting bad memes.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1232 on: August 28, 2019, 05:14:30 PM »
But the horizon is horizontal.
Exactly as it should be on a Globe about 7920 miles (12,742 km)

Quote from: Plat Terra
What was the hard evedience evidence that made someone believe it's curved?
None!   Why would anyone be expected to "someone believe it's curved?"

Haven't you yet come to grips with fact that from a low elevation like the ocean horizon is straight, horizontal and usually sharp.

Either you are totally incapable of learning or simply a troll wasting everybody's time - which is it?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1233 on: August 28, 2019, 05:29:35 PM »
Themightykabool on Today at 03:59:31 PM

Well the greeks had an aristocrat society where people got paid to sit around and think.
They also lived on the coast and had a huge navy constantly fighting.
3 questions:
 1.Sunsets and sun rises appear to show the circle emerge from behind an edged horizon.  Why?
 2. Ships coming would rise out of thwater and going would disappear botttom first.  Why?
 3. The moon would cycle regularly but a special occurance during lunar eclipses show a shadow crossing ans they got to see the phases in action.  Why?

So graduate from grade 4 elemtranry school before arrogantly touting bad memes.
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Plat Terra

1. There is evidence of the Sun fading away above the horizon. Why?  (So, it's inconclusive.)
2. There is evidence of a surface mirage blocking the view of the boat. Why?  (So, it's inconclusive)
3. There is evidence of both the Sun and Moon being above the horizon during a lunar eclipse; not in a 180į alignment. Proving it's not Earths shadow.

Hard evidence please....

Again
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Why would anyone (500 to 1,500 years ago) believe in and teach Earth is a Sphere after viewing a horizon like this (below) everywhere they went for most of their life?

What was the life changing evedience?


« Last Edit: August 28, 2019, 05:35:23 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1234 on: August 28, 2019, 05:33:13 PM »
You forget about winter down south. On a Globe and about the same time, one should see see it before twilight and the other, after twilight. But they have to wait 12 hours because Earth is a Plane.
No we do not forget about winter!

Near the June Solstice the Southern Cross can be seen all night and every night in the southern parts of both Australia and South America.

Hence during that period the the Southern Cross can be seen before dawn in South-Eastern Australia and after twilight in South-Western South America.

There are no 12 hours to wait in Australia!
Get used to the facts and learn to admit that you are wrong on one issue before being proven wrong (as you undoubtedly will) on the next point you raise.

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1235 on: August 28, 2019, 05:36:25 PM »
Themightykabool on Today at 03:59:31 PM

Well the greeks had an aristocrat society where people got paid to sit around and think.
They also lived on the coast and had a huge navy constantly fighting.
3 questions:
 1.Sunsets and sun rises appear to show the circle emerge from behind an edged horizon.  Why?
 2. Ships coming would rise out of thwater and going would disappear botttom first.  Why?
 3. The moon would cycle regularly but a special occurance during lunar eclipses show a shadow crossing ans they got to see the phases in action.  Why?

So graduate from grade 4 elemtranry school before arrogantly touting bad memes.
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Plat Terra

1. There is evidence of the Sun fading away above the horizon. Why?  (So, it's inconclusive.)
2. There is evidence of a surface mirage blocking the view of the boat. Why?  (So, it's inconclusive)
3. There is evidence of both the Sun and Moon being above the horizon during a lunar eclipse; not in a 180į alignment. Proving it's not Earths shadow.

Hard evidence please....

Again
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Why would anyone (500 to 1,500 years ago) believe in and teach Earth is a Sphere after viewing this horizon (below) everywhere they went for most of their life?

What was the life changing evedience?



There are 3 conditions, that allow you to see a partial lunar eclipse on a globe, 2 are geometric. Not during the total phase.
There are NO geometric conditions that a lunar eclipse can happen on the FE model.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1236 on: August 28, 2019, 05:37:22 PM »
500 years ago, we didn't have actual pictures of the entire globe.

But the sun, and every object in the sky, sank below that horizon, only to rise again on the other side.

This happens every single day.

Look at that horizon from the beach, then climb that mountain and notice how much further you can see!

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1237 on: August 28, 2019, 05:48:22 PM »
Themightykabool on Today at 03:59:31 PM

Well the greeks had an aristocrat society where people got paid to sit around and think.
They also lived on the coast and had a huge navy constantly fighting.
3 questions:
 1.Sunsets and sun rises appear to show the circle emerge from behind an edged horizon.  Why?
 2. Ships coming would rise out of thwater and going would disappear botttom first.  Why?
 3. The moon would cycle regularly but a special occurance during lunar eclipses show a shadow crossing ans they got to see the phases in action.  Why?

So graduate from grade 4 elemtranry school before arrogantly touting bad memes.
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Plat Terra

1. There is evidence of the Sun fading away above the horizon. Why?  (So, it's inconclusive.)
2. There is evidence of a surface mirage blocking the view of the boat. Why?  (So, it's inconclusive)
3. There is evidence of both the Sun and Moon being above the horizon during a lunar eclipse; not in a 180į alignment. Proving it's not Earths shadow.

Hard evidence please....

Again
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Why would anyone (500 to 1,500 years ago) believe in and teach Earth is a Sphere after viewing this horizon (below) everywhere they went for most of their life?

What was the life changing evedience?



There are 3 conditions, that allow you to see a partial lunar eclipse on a globe, 2 are geometric. Not during the total phase.
There are NO geometric conditions that a lunar eclipse can happen on the FE model.

The fact that the Sun and Moon being above the horizon during a lunar eclipse and not in a 180į alignment destroys Sphere Earth's mechanics. That's what matters right now and here at this time. Give up and accept defeat!
« Last Edit: August 28, 2019, 05:50:10 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1238 on: August 28, 2019, 06:08:08 PM »
Dafuq are you on about?

1.
No fading.
Actually disapparing on the horizon bottom up.
When viewed not just on shtty foggy days.

2.
See 1 as they are similar.

3.
"Special" is key word and reason for occurances is readily expanable.
Have you heard of "the internet"?
Its good for looking up stuff.
Or try a library.
Nothing is a secret.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1239 on: August 28, 2019, 06:14:11 PM »
Plat Terra
1. There is evidence of the Sun fading away above the horizon. Why?  (So, it's inconclusive.)
The sun sometimes appears to fade into the distance but, from what I have seen with my own eyes, it almost always appears to sink into the horizon like this:

LHG-0693 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.02, 300 mm
       
LHG-0697 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.29, 300 mm

Quote from: Plat Terra
2. There is evidence of a surface mirage blocking the view of the boat. Why?  (So, it's inconclusive)
A "a surface mirage" rarely blocks "the view of the boat"! Looming and mirages more often allow objects to be seen at greater distances than expected.

Under good conditions ships, lighthouses and cities are hidden as expected by the horizon as in:
The following screenshots of the Bathurst Lighthouse on Rottnest Island are taken from Avonmore Tce,  Cottesloe Western Australia.

Bathurst Lighthouse from 100 ft
     
Bathurst Lighthouse from 6 ft

Quote from: Plat Terra
3. There is evidence of both the Sun and Moon being above the horizon during a lunar eclipse; not in a 180į alignment. Proving it's not Earths shadow.
In no way is it "Proving it's not Earth's shadow."!

Read up up senelions, they are not that uncommon:  Saturday's Lunar Eclipse Will Include 'Impossible' Sight

Quote from: Plat Terra
Hard evidence please....
Remember that YOU are trying to convince us so YOU must provided the "hard evidence" and you are not doing that.

Quote from: Plat Terra
Again
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Why would anyone (500 to 1,500 years ago) believe in and teach Earth is a Sphere after viewing this horizon (below) everywhere they went for most of their life?

What was the life changing evedience?
There was no "life changing evedience" because those in Europe and most of the Middle East already knew the earth to be a Globe!

Quote from: Plat Terra

Again, a straight fairly sharp horizon, exactly as it should look on the Globe!

If "common sense is what tells us the earth is flat" those people 2000 to 2500 years ago must have had some "uncommon sense".

But when there are two options and, what appears to be, evidence for both you should select the option that best fits the evidence.

And there are numerous, easily observed, things that simply do not fit your "modern flat model" and you have never addressed them.

So, the answer to "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" is, as before, never unless YOU can present some "hard evidence" that the earth cannot be a Globe!

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1240 on: August 28, 2019, 06:19:03 PM »
Plat Terra
1. There is evidence of the Sun fading away above the horizon. Why?  (So, it's inconclusive.)
The sun sometimes appears to fade into the distance but, from what I have seen with my own eyes, it almost always appears to sink into the horizon like this:

LHG-0693 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.02, 300 mm
       
LHG-0697 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.29, 300 mm

Quote from: Plat Terra
2. There is evidence of a surface mirage blocking the view of the boat. Why?  (So, it's inconclusive)
A "a surface mirage" rarely blocks "the view of the boat"! Looming and mirages more often allow objects to be seen at greater distances than expected.

Under good conditions ships, lighthouses and cities are hidden as expected by the horizon as in:
The following screenshots of the Bathurst Lighthouse on Rottnest Island are taken from Avonmore Tce,  Cottesloe Western Australia.

Bathurst Lighthouse from 100 ft
     
Bathurst Lighthouse from 6 ft

Quote from: Plat Terra
3. There is evidence of both the Sun and Moon being above the horizon during a lunar eclipse; not in a 180į alignment. Proving it's not Earths shadow.
In no way is it "Proving it's not Earth's shadow."!

Read up up senelions, they are not that uncommon:  Saturday's Lunar Eclipse Will Include 'Impossible' Sight

Quote from: Plat Terra
Hard evidence please....
Remember that YOU are trying to convince us so YOU must provided the "hard evidence" and you are not doing that.

Quote from: Plat Terra
Again
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Why would anyone (500 to 1,500 years ago) believe in and teach Earth is a Sphere after viewing this horizon (below) everywhere they went for most of their life?

What was the life changing evedience?
There was no "life changing evedience" because those in Europe and most of the Middle East already knew the earth to be a Globe!

Quote from: Plat Terra

Again, a straight fairly sharp horizon, exactly as it should look on the Globe!

If "common sense is what tells us the earth is flat" those people 2000 to 2500 years ago must have had some "uncommon sense".

But when there are two options and, what appears to be, evidence for both you should select the option that best fits the evidence.

And there are numerous, easily observed, things that simply do not fit your "modern flat model" and you have never addressed them.

So, the answer to "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" is, as before, never unless YOU can present some "hard evidence" that the earth cannot be a Globe!

What was the hard evidence of Sphere Earth  500 to 1500 years ago?
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1241 on: August 28, 2019, 06:25:53 PM »
The fact that the Sun and Moon being above the horizon during a lunar eclipse and not in a 180į alignment
Who said that the sun and moon cannot both appear above the horizon and still be in a 180į alignment?

They can because we can usually see the sun and moon (with very clear skies) when they are about 0.5į below the geometric horizon.

Quote from: Plat Terra
destroys Sphere Earth's mechanics. That's what matters right now and here at this time. Give up and accept defeat!
So no it does not destroy the "Sphere Earth's mechanics" in the slightest.

Now, before we go further into this YOU must explain exactly how a lunar eclipse can occur on your flat earth with the sun and moon circling about 3000 miles above it.

While you are at it, how is it possible, on your flat earth, for everyone that can see the moon to see it in the same phase?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1242 on: August 28, 2019, 06:27:14 PM »
What was the hard evidence of Sphere Earth  500 to 1500 years ago?
It's time for YOU to give some answers, thank you!

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1243 on: August 28, 2019, 06:52:10 PM »
Plat Terra
1. There is evidence of the Sun fading away above the horizon. Why?  (So, it's inconclusive.)
The sun sometimes appears to fade into the distance but, from what I have seen with my own eyes, it almost always appears to sink into the horizon like this:

LHG-0693 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.02, 300 mm
       
LHG-0697 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.29, 300 mm

Quote from: Plat Terra
2. There is evidence of a surface mirage blocking the view of the boat. Why?  (So, it's inconclusive)
A "a surface mirage" rarely blocks "the view of the boat"! Looming and mirages more often allow objects to be seen at greater distances than expected.

Under good conditions ships, lighthouses and cities are hidden as expected by the horizon as in:
The following screenshots of the Bathurst Lighthouse on Rottnest Island are taken from Avonmore Tce,  Cottesloe Western Australia.

Bathurst Lighthouse from 100 ft
     
Bathurst Lighthouse from 6 ft

Quote from: Plat Terra
3. There is evidence of both the Sun and Moon being above the horizon during a lunar eclipse; not in a 180į alignment. Proving it's not Earths shadow.
In no way is it "Proving it's not Earth's shadow."!

Read up up senelions, they are not that uncommon:  Saturday's Lunar Eclipse Will Include 'Impossible' Sight

Quote from: Plat Terra
Hard evidence please....
Remember that YOU are trying to convince us so YOU must provided the "hard evidence" and you are not doing that.

Quote from: Plat Terra
Again
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Why would anyone (500 to 1,500 years ago) believe in and teach Earth is a Sphere after viewing this horizon (below) everywhere they went for most of their life?

What was the life changing evedience?
There was no "life changing evedience" because those in Europe and most of the Middle East already knew the earth to be a Globe!

Quote from: Plat Terra

Again, a straight fairly sharp horizon, exactly as it should look on the Globe!

If "common sense is what tells us the earth is flat" those people 2000 to 2500 years ago must have had some "uncommon sense".

But when there are two options and, what appears to be, evidence for both you should select the option that best fits the evidence.

And there are numerous, easily observed, things that simply do not fit your "modern flat model" and you have never addressed them.

So, the answer to "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" is, as before, never unless YOU can present some "hard evidence" that the earth cannot be a Globe!

What was the hard evidence of Sphere Earth  500 to 1500 years ago?

You like to keep asking.
The answers were provided.
You tried to refute but failed.
The answers stand.

Should we also again give the reason why measuring florida for curvature makss no sense?

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1244 on: August 28, 2019, 07:26:47 PM »

When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

Thursday.
Is that when Tom Bishop finally uploads the images of the "Bishop experiment", showing what he described as supposedly happening, along with the specs of the telescope he claims to have used?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1246 on: August 28, 2019, 07:57:47 PM »

When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

Thursday.
Is that when Tom Bishop finally uploads the images of the "Bishop experiment", showing what he described as supposedly happening, along with the specs of the telescope he claims to have used?
This Tom Bishop?


But I doubt it will ever be "proven beyond the power of doubt that the earth is a whirling globe".

Though I have long believed that it been "proven beyond the power of doubt that the earth is a" sedately rotating sphere.

I do wish that these flat earthers, from Tom Bishop right down to Plat Terra at the bottom of the pile, could get there facts right.

But I guess that if they could they wouldn't be flat-earthers.

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1247 on: August 28, 2019, 08:01:33 PM »
And you want me to answer your questions after you say this? "You don't understand anything else about the globe, why would you start now?
Because it is obvious.

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Be specific and in context with my statments if you want in.
Ok, actually there are four, as the last quote contains two questions.  Here they are with your quotes for context.

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Perspective. Even a taller mountain off in a distance is going to appear smaller than closer ones, even on a Plane Earth.
I'm not talking about them appearing smaller, I'm talking about points at a specific elevation appearing below a straight line of sight along that same elevation. 

Along a straight line of sight, things below that line of sight appear to rise to it as distance is increased, and things above it appear to lower to it as distance is increased.  Do you agree with that statement?


This post is in reply to most arguments above.  Arguments that have been addressed here at the FE forum many times but ignored.  Please donít ignore the lights of the city at 52.72 miles away. They should be hidden by bulge of water.  And notice there is a horizon and not a curvizon.
Do you know how much should be hidden from view?  Yes, there is a horizon, and no, there's no left to right curve visible, as is expected with a high magnification shot on a globe.

Then Earth must be cylinder shaped. You can't have it both ways.
*edited to fit your parameters*- When zooming in on a curved line, the curve of the line does appears to lessen.  Do you agree?


Our small Sun reaches a point where it can't continue to cast light on the MT
And yet it remains the same size all day.  How high do you think the sun is, and how far away would it need to be to be 1 degree above the horizon?  How far away would it need to be to appear to touch the horizon?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1248 on: August 28, 2019, 08:15:50 PM »
And you want me to answer your questions after you say this? "You don't understand anything else about the globe, why would you start now?
Because it is obvious.


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I was being nice and you had to take another shot. You just blew your chance.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1249 on: August 28, 2019, 08:24:51 PM »
So, there never was any hard evidence of sphere Earth 500 to 1,500 years ago. Is this correct? People just followed blindly, right?
« Last Edit: August 28, 2019, 08:26:58 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1250 on: August 28, 2019, 08:34:37 PM »
And you want me to answer your questions after you say this? "You don't understand anything else about the globe, why would you start now?
Because it is obvious.




I was being nice and you had to take another shot. You just blew your chance.
It was obvious from the beginning of this thread.  I can't help it if you don't appear to understand anything. 

If you can't answer the questions, just say so.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2019, 09:45:29 PM by 29silhouette »

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1251 on: August 28, 2019, 09:02:31 PM »
So, there never was any hard evidence of sphere Earth 500 to 1,500 years ago. Is this correct? People just followed blindly, right?
No one said that and we only know what has been written in that period.

So your making a statement like "People just followed blindly, right?" is simply ridiculous. 

But I repeat again and again till I'm sick of saying it! You are the one asking, "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?"
The answer is simply that the evidence accumulated over a couple millennia could be said to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the earth is a slowly rotating Globe.

Until you provide evidence to the contrary you are "whistling in the wind"! You silly memes, etc, do nothing but prove your own ignorance.

Run off and learn about the Globe, the Heliocentric Solar System and why these were accepted before trying to refute them.

There was plenty of initial evidence to see the earth as a Globe instead of the earlier flat earth belief.
And the Globe fitted with later evidence from the earth and astronomy.

So you have to learn a tremendous amount more before you can even scratch the surface.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1252 on: August 28, 2019, 09:05:39 PM »

No one in their right mind can look at a horizon like this (below) and think Earth is a sphere.


Please explain why not! There's nothing in that photo that might indicate that the earth might be flat!

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1253 on: August 28, 2019, 09:06:05 PM »
It is believed that those who embraced a sphere Earth before the modern era  were smart and those who embraced a Flat Earth were ignorant. Yet no one can provide the hard evidence of sphere Earth used at that time to prove to the people Earth is a sphere. Why?

So, who are the real ignorant and persuasive group?  Are they the ones who rejected the idea on grounds of no real evidence or those who accepted it as indoctrination without real evidence?

Yes, the Globe theory began through ignorance and indoctrination. Thatís something to be proud of, defend and support.

No one in their right mind can look at a horizon like this (below) and think Earth is a sphere. They have to go through a processes of indoctrination.



The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1254 on: August 28, 2019, 09:17:25 PM »

No one in their right mind can look at a horizon like this (below) and think Earth is a sphere.


Please explain why not! There's nothing in that photo that might indicate that the earth might be flat!

I let you do your own research with that.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they canít actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1255 on: August 28, 2019, 09:18:03 PM »


During certain times of the year, both Cape Hope and Cape Horn can simultaneously see Sigma Octantis.  Here is the problem with Sigma Octantis and the notion that the Earth is flat:



If the Earth is flat, why can two people looking due south see Sigma Octantis in two different locations?  This is a paradox that has yet to be solved by the FE community.  A person standing at Cape Hope should, if the Earth is flat, see this constellation both due south and to the west while a person standing at Cape Horn would see it both south and again to the east.  We know this to not be the case in reality.  The Southern Cross always presents itself to the south, as Polaris always appears to the north.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1256 on: August 28, 2019, 09:26:03 PM »
It is believed that those who embraced a sphere Earth before the modern era  were smart and those who embraced a Flat Earth were ignorant. Yet no one can provide the hard evidence of sphere Earth used at that time to prove to the people Earth is a sphere. Why?

So, who are the real ignorant and persuasive group?  Are they the ones who rejected the idea on grounds of no real evidence or those who accepted it as indoctrination without real evidence?

Yes, the Globe theory began through ignorance and indoctrination. Thatís something to be proud of, defend and support.

No one in their right mind can look at a horizon like this (below) and think Earth is a sphere. They have to go through a processes of indoctrination.




I think you have your flat earth cart before your flogged to death horse.
All of what you say is no more than hot air. The fact the earth is a sphere is simply beyond doubt. The real problem is not one of Ďindoctrinationí as you put it but education and reality and the fact that your appear unable to accept the truth.
The proof for a spherical earth is everywhere, proof that you for some reason only known to yourself are unable to accept.
You point to a picture and say this is proof! What would you expect to see in your picture if the earth were spherical? Remember the earth is big!

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Macarios

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1257 on: August 28, 2019, 09:29:12 PM »
Why would anyone (500 to 1,500 years ago) believe in and teach Earth is a Sphere after viewing this horizon (below) everywhere they went for most of their life? What was the life changing evedience?



Some 3000 to 2500 years ago some travelers went further than usual.
Navigatos saw stars didn't act as expected from the flat Earth.

Islands, mountains, ships behind horizon were farther than that horizon.
What was hiding the rest of the ground/water?
Curve, what else.

If you see sharp horizon line at some 5 miles away and top of some island another 5 miles behind it, what hides the bottom of that island?
Refraction?
As if they didn't have experience with refraction and knew how much it can hide and how much it can't...
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Macarios

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1258 on: August 28, 2019, 09:33:44 PM »
So, there never was any hard evidence of sphere Earth 500 to 1,500 years ago. Is this correct? People just followed blindly, right?

Wrong.

For example, 1000 years ago Al-Biruni didn't follow blindly.
He measured the Earth himself.
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Gumwars

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1259 on: August 28, 2019, 09:40:55 PM »
It is believed that those who embraced a sphere Earth before the modern era  were smart and those who embraced a Flat Earth were ignorant. Yet no one can provide the hard evidence of sphere Earth used at that time to prove to the people Earth is a sphere. Why?

Because you simply reject any data that challenges your worldview.  Plenty of people here have provided logical proofs that, at a minimum, would require you to rework your initial arguments.  Yet you refuse and continue to argue, ad nauseam, the same points.  In fact, I've provided evidence, which you ignored, proving celestial navigation was used at least 500 years ago, which base principles require the movement of stars in the night sky to parallel that of a spherical Earth.  You never even responded to that post (or if you did, deleted that comment, which seems to be something you do).

So, who are the real ignorant and persuasive group?  Are they the ones who rejected the idea on grounds of no real evidence or those who accepted it as indoctrination without real evidence?

Indoctrination is equivalent to brainwashing.  If an individual arrives at a conclusion based on simple, observable phenomena that aligns with reason and logic, I would not consider them brainwashed/indoctrinated.  I stand on the beach near Long Beach, CA and look out towards Catalina.  I can see Catalina, but I cannot see Avalon.  I can see oil rigs, and with the closer ones I can see the legs going down into the water.  The more distant ones, I can only see the platform.  I can see container ships leaving the port of Long Beach, and the slowly disappear, bottom first, as they go over the horizon.  These are all observations I can make absent any outside influence.  They all point to the Earth not being flat.  A ship disappearing bottom up as it sails into the distance?  That is proof of a curved surface.

Yes, the Globe theory began through ignorance and indoctrination. Thatís something to be proud of, defend and support.

I'm not running from peer review.  I'm not concocting ludicrous notions like NASA being a cult and the world superpowers have created a cabal that prevents me from visiting Antarctica.  You want to talk about paranoia, delusion, ignorance, and indoctrination?  Please, sort your own garden first.

No one in their right mind can look at a horizon like this (below) and think Earth is a sphere. They have to go through a processes of indoctrination.

At the very least, I can look at it and conclude it isn't flat.

Quote from: Carl Sagan
We should endeavor to always keep an open mind, but not so open your brain falls out.