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When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1140 on: August 27, 2019, 02:31:33 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 02:18:37 PM
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Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 12:28:34 PM
Waters’ on a sphere Earth cannot backup up and flood a spherical surface, especially if the land adjoins an ocean.  Our Earth’s surface lacks the curvature as taught. It’s time accept reality and common sense.


What if the adjoining land is below sea level?  Or if the flood waters are coming from overflowing rivers upstream?  Have you ever heard of storm surge?

Think sphere surface. Not flat or below sea curve. "Sphere Surface" adjoing a coast line.

How does a flat earth flood without a retaining wall holding the flood waters in? Your experiment showed that it wouldn't.

Large surface areas of Earths landmass that are depressed (not curved) can easily flood. But these same large surface areas could not flood if the surface was curved. unless a retaining wall held back the water

On a flat plane the water would just run off the sides never getting a chance to flood anything. What's holding the water on to a flat earth?

You are playing games again. Use the words "Large landmasses with depression areas" Like following...

"On a flat plane with DEPPRESSION AREAS, the water would just run off the sides never getting a chance to flood anything. What's holding the water on to a flat earth?"

No it won't run off, but will flood because of depressions.

You are like Rab and like to muddy the waters. You too should learn about cognitive dissonance.

I think you misunderstand. If the earth is a flat plane like a table and I pour water on it, like in your experiment, the water will just run off the sides. So when water gets poured on the mississippi, it's not any landmass depression that causes the water to rise. Why is the river water rising? Sure a land depression could fill up like a swimming pool, same as on a sphere. But on a flat plane the water would just run off the sides, not make the river rise. Explain river rising on a flat plane.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1141 on: August 27, 2019, 02:44:51 PM »
I have a problem with you ignoring because you know answring the simple question reveals your failed logixc


What direction is gravity???!!!
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1142 on: August 27, 2019, 02:45:38 PM »
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Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 12:28:34 PM
Waters’ on a sphere Earth cannot backup up and flood a spherical surface, especially if the land adjoins an ocean.  Our Earth’s surface lacks the curvature as taught. It’s time accept reality and common sense.


What if the adjoining land is below sea level?  Or if the flood waters are coming from overflowing rivers upstream?  Have you ever heard of storm surge?

Think sphere surface. Not flat or below sea curve. "Sphere Surface" adjoing a coast line.

How does a flat earth flood without a retaining wall holding the flood waters in? Your experiment showed that it wouldn't.

Large surface areas of Earths landmass that are depressed (not curved) can easily flood. But these same large surface areas could not flood if the surface was curved. unless a retaining wall held back the water

On a flat plane the water would just run off the sides never getting a chance to flood anything. What's holding the water on to a flat earth?

You are playing games again. Use the words "Large landmasses with depression areas" Like following...

"On a flat plane with DEPPRESSION AREAS, the water would just run off the sides never getting a chance to flood anything. What's holding the water on to a flat earth?"

No it won't run off, but will flood because of depressions.

You are like Rab and like to muddy the waters. You too should learn about cognitive dissonance.

Sure a land depression could fill up like a swimming pool, same as on a sphere. But on a flat plane the water would just run off the sides, not make the river rise. Explain river rising on a flat plane.

No, not the same on a sphere. You can't flood a large curved surface without a retaining wall.  And I don't care to go down your bunny trail with more games with an unrealated issue.

Wow, you have so many obvious blunders in your theory, and more to come.

Later.....
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1143 on: August 27, 2019, 02:51:56 PM »
Quote from: Themightykabool on August 27, 2019, 02:44:51 PM
I have a problem with you ignoring because you know answring the simple question reveals your failed logixc


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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1144 on: August 27, 2019, 03:05:43 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 02:45:38 PM
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Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 12:28:34 PM
Waters’ on a sphere Earth cannot backup up and flood a spherical surface, especially if the land adjoins an ocean.  Our Earth’s surface lacks the curvature as taught. It’s time accept reality and common sense.


What if the adjoining land is below sea level?  Or if the flood waters are coming from overflowing rivers upstream?  Have you ever heard of storm surge?

Think sphere surface. Not flat or below sea curve. "Sphere Surface" adjoing a coast line.

How does a flat earth flood without a retaining wall holding the flood waters in? Your experiment showed that it wouldn't.

Large surface areas of Earths landmass that are depressed (not curved) can easily flood. But these same large surface areas could not flood if the surface was curved. unless a retaining wall held back the water

On a flat plane the water would just run off the sides never getting a chance to flood anything. What's holding the water on to a flat earth?

You are playing games again. Use the words "Large landmasses with depression areas" Like following...

"On a flat plane with DEPPRESSION AREAS, the water would just run off the sides never getting a chance to flood anything. What's holding the water on to a flat earth?"

No it won't run off, but will flood because of depressions.

You are like Rab and like to muddy the waters. You too should learn about cognitive dissonance.

Sure a land depression could fill up like a swimming pool, same as on a sphere. But on a flat plane the water would just run off the sides, not make the river rise. Explain river rising on a flat plane.

No, not the same on a sphere. You can't flood a large curved surface without a retaining wall.  And I don't care to go down your bunny trail with more games with an unrealated issue.

Wow, you have so many obvious blunders in your theory, and more to come.

Later.....

I still think you misunderstand and it's not at all unrelated. It's using your example and using your experiment - If I pour water on to a table, the water runs off the sides. If I poured water on the Mississippi delta, on a flat plane, it would just run into the ocean and that water, in turn, just like on the table, would run off the sides of the plane earth. So I don't see how a river could rise on a flat earth as it would spill off the sides of the earth, just like the table. Please explain.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1145 on: August 27, 2019, 03:22:56 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 02:10:47 PM
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Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 12:28:34 PM
Waters’ on a sphere Earth cannot backup up and flood a spherical surface, especially if the land adjoins an ocean.  Our Earth’s surface lacks the curvature as taught. It’s time accept reality and common sense.


What if the adjoining land is below sea level?  Or if the flood waters are coming from overflowing rivers upstream?  Have you ever heard of storm surge?

Think sphere surface. Not flat or below sea curve. "Sphere Surface" adjoing a coast line.

How does a flat earth flood without a retaining wall holding the flood waters in? Your experiment showed that it wouldn't.

Large surface areas of Earths landmass that are depressed (not curved) can easily flood. But these same large surface areas could not flood if the surface was curved. unless a retaining wall held back the water

I’m sorry but you really need to go and study geography/topography and other earth sciences to understand how and why flooding occurs. It has nothing to do with the earth being flat.

Flooding has everything to do with large landmass that are depressed (not curved), and not a damn thing to do with a large curved landmass, unless a retaining wall held back the water.
So a curved Earth can't have depressions? Are you really this unbelievably ignorant or just trolling?
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1146 on: August 27, 2019, 03:29:33 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 02:30:05 PM
Quote from: JackBlack on August 27, 2019, 02:24:06 PM
So all you are saying is that Earth isn't a perfect sphere?
If so, no one is suggesting it is.
Land which is depressed below sea level is still below sea level, even on a RE.

Again, it is the same non-issues for the RE and a hypothetical FE.

I bet you have a problem with people not responding to your posts', right?  You should find out why.

Please explain why
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 12:28:34 PM
Waters’ on a sphere Earth cannot backup up and flood a spherical surface, especially if the land adjoins an ocean.
Learn what the definition of elevation is on the Globe!

It looks just one more of the numerous ways that flat earthers fail to understand such simple concepts - keep it up!
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1147 on: August 27, 2019, 03:50:47 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 01:34:50 PM
Quote from: markjo on August 27, 2019, 01:29:35 PM
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 12:28:34 PM
Waters’ on a sphere Earth cannot backup up and flood a spherical surface, especially if the land adjoins an ocean.  Our Earth’s surface lacks the curvature as taught. It’s time accept reality and common sense.


What if the adjoining land is below sea level?  Or if the flood waters are coming from overflowing rivers upstream?  Have you ever heard of storm surge?

Think sphere surface. Not flat or below sea curve. "Sphere Surface" adjoing a coast line.
Sphere surface does not mean smooth surface.  The round earth still has terrain that can be above or below sea level.  Think crumpled wad of paper.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1148 on: August 27, 2019, 04:15:02 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 02:30:05 PM
I bet you have a problem with people not responding to your posts', right?  You should find out why.
No, I'm not the one with the problem.
But I do find lots of dishonest people like you wont respond because I expose your dishonesty so well.

Again, you have the same non-issue for a flat or round Earth.
With a RE, you have areas which are below sea level which can easily flood, or areas close to sea level which can flood if more water is coming in than the change in elevation would drive out.
With a FE, you have areas which are below sea level which can easily flood, or areas close to sea level which can flood if more water is coming in than the change in elevation would drive out.

If Earth was perfectly spherical, then the water would perfectly cover it.
If the Earth was perfectly flat, then the water would perfectly cover it.

It is the same non issue.
You aren't making an argument against a RE, you are making an argument against flooding in general.

The only way it is an argument against a RE is if you believe the stupidity you have already claimed you reject, that water should magically obtain a flat surface rather than a level one.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1149 on: August 27, 2019, 05:20:57 PM »
If you observed horizons like this (below) five hundred years ago everywhere you went and for decades and without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, why would you believe Earth is a sphere?




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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1150 on: August 27, 2019, 05:35:36 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 05:20:57 PM
If you observed horizons like this (below) five hundred years ago everywhere you went and for decades and without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, why would you believe Earth is a sphere?





Or you are incapable of accepting the Globe proof.

So you haven't looked at all the earth images from the ISS?
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1151 on: August 27, 2019, 05:40:51 PM »
Quote from: Joecool on August 27, 2019, 05:35:36 PM
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 05:20:57 PM
If you observed horizons like this (below) five hundred years ago everywhere you went and for decades and without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, why would you believe Earth is a sphere?






Or you are incapable of accepting the Globe proof.

So you haven't looked at all the earth images from the ISS?

 Five hundred years ago...?
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1152 on: August 27, 2019, 05:53:58 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 05:20:57 PM
If you observed horizons like this (below) five hundred years ago everywhere you went
Sure but 500 years ago most quite accepted that the earth was a Globe,
      2000 years before that the Greeks noted that the shadow of the earth on the moon during a lunar eclipse was round and
      even centuries before that they noticed that when ships approached they appeared sails first over the horizon.

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and for decades and without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, why would you believe Earth is a sphere?
You do love your ignorance of history because, unlike you those people 500 or even 1400 years ago believed the earth to be spherical.

Even back around 600 AD the was believed by most to be a Globe!
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The flat earth myth
One of the best-known proponents of a globe-shaped earth was the early English monk, theologian and historian, the Venerable Bede (673–735), who popularized the common BC/AD dating system. Less well known was that he was also a leading astronomer of his day.

In his book On the Reckoning of Time (De temporum ratione), among other things he calculated the creation of the world to be in 3952 BC, showed how to calculate the date of Easter, and explicitly taught that the earth was round. From this, he showed why the length of days and nights changed with the seasons, and how tides were dragged by the moon. Bede was the first with this insight, while Galileo explained the tides wrongly centuries later.

Here is what Bede said about the shape of the earth—round “like a ball” not “like a shield”:

“We call the earth a globe, not as if the shape of a sphere were expressed in the diversity of plains and mountains, but because, if all things are included in the outline, the earth’s circumference will represent the figure of a perfect globe. … For truly it is an orb placed in the centre of the universe; in its width it is like a circle, and not circular like a shield but rather like a ball, and it extends from its centre with perfect roundness on all sides.”
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What's wrong with those photos?
They show the horizon as a sharp straight line exactly as it should be on a Globe about 7920 miled in diameter.

Keep it up! All your are proving is that you know nothing about how the Globe should look!
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1153 on: August 27, 2019, 06:00:45 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 05:40:51 PM
Quote from: Joecool on August 27, 2019, 05:35:36 PM

Or you are incapable of accepting the Globe proof.

So you haven't looked at all the earth images from the ISS?
Five hundred years ago...?

So, you can't read either? Joecool asked "So you haven't looked at all the earth images from the ISS?"

Were you here "Five hundred years ago...?"

PS Your topic is "Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?"
        and the answer still is, Not until you've proven the earth is not almost spherical! You done nothing yet!
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1154 on: August 27, 2019, 06:08:36 PM »
Quote from: rabinoz on August 27, 2019, 05:53:58 PM
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 05:20:57 PM
If you observed horizons like this (below) five hundred years ago everywhere you went
Sure but 500 years ago most quite accepted that the earth was a Globe,
      2000 years before that the Greeks noted that the shadow of the earth on the moon during a lunar eclipse was round and
      even centuries before that they noticed that when ships approached they appeared sails first over the horizon.

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and for decades and without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, why would you believe Earth is a sphere?
You do love your ignorance of history because, unlike you those people 500 or even 1400 years ago believed the earth to be spherical.

Even back around 600 AD the was believed by most to be a Globe!
Quote from: Jonathan Sarfati
The flat earth myth
One of the best-known proponents of a globe-shaped earth was the early English monk, theologian and historian, the Venerable Bede (673–735), who popularized the common BC/AD dating system. Less well known was that he was also a leading astronomer of his day.

In his book On the Reckoning of Time (De temporum ratione), among other things he calculated the creation of the world to be in 3952 BC, showed how to calculate the date of Easter, and explicitly taught that the earth was round. From this, he showed why the length of days and nights changed with the seasons, and how tides were dragged by the moon. Bede was the first with this insight, while Galileo explained the tides wrongly centuries later.

Here is what Bede said about the shape of the earth—round “like a ball” not “like a shield”:

“We call the earth a globe, not as if the shape of a sphere were expressed in the diversity of plains and mountains, but because, if all things are included in the outline, the earth’s circumference will represent the figure of a perfect globe. … For truly it is an orb placed in the centre of the universe; in its width it is like a circle, and not circular like a shield but rather like a ball, and it extends from its centre with perfect roundness on all sides.”
Quote from: Plat Terra



What's wrong with those photos?
They show the horizon as a sharp straight line exactly as it should be on a Globe about 7920 miled in diameter.

Keep it up! All your are proving is that you know nothing about how the Globe should look!

And without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, why would you believe Earth is a sphere?

Still waiting.....
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1155 on: August 27, 2019, 06:16:10 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 05:40:51 PM
Quote from: Joecool on August 27, 2019, 05:35:36 PM
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 05:20:57 PM
If you observed horizons like this (below) five hundred years ago everywhere you went and for decades and without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, why would you believe Earth is a sphere?






Or you are incapable of accepting the Globe proof.

So you haven't looked at all the earth images from the ISS?

 Five hundred years ago...?

Dude, you are aware that the fact that a horizon exists is proof the world isn't flat?  Why do you think a clear and visible terminus exists roughly five miles from an observer standing on a beach looking out over the ocean?  Why do vessels going out over the horizon disappear from the bottom up, almost as if they are sinking, in a manner one would expect if the ocean was blocking them from view? 

If the world was flat, and I am standing on the beach, a point higher than the ocean, why is my vision limited to roughly five miles?  Why, on a clear day, can I not see all the way from the eastern seaboard of the US to Europe?  And not with the naked eye, of course.  If I have a good set of optics, why can't I see ships 100 miles from the shore?  Hell, 10 or 15 miles even?  What prevents me from seeing that far?
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1156 on: August 27, 2019, 06:21:38 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 05:59:01 PM

And without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, why would you believe Earth is a sphere?

Still waiting.....
And I'm waiting for numerous answers from you but you don't seem to have any just silly meme!

I've answered that numerous times! Why should I repeat myself?
But photos like you show above is evidence of a near horizon and I've seen myself how the distance to that sharp horizon increases with quite small increases in elevation.

Quote from: rabinoz on August 14, 2019, 04:43:43 AM
If the earth were flat I can't see how the sun (and moon, planets and stars) could appear to be hidden "behind something" and slowly rise up top first as in this video (click anywhere, it links to a video):

An then the sun set near the west with the bottom disappearing first:

LHG-0693 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.02, 300 mm		       
LHG-0697 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.29, 300 mm
The video above is over the Black Sea and the photos below are my own and they show that same thing that flat earth's can never get right without numerous guesses.

I also see much evidence from others both historical and current that fit with what I see.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1157 on: August 27, 2019, 06:36:14 PM »
Anyone else?

If you observed horizons like this (below) five hundred years ago everywhere you went and for decades and without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, why would you believe Earth is a sphere?

Point A:  five hundred years ago
Point B: without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape
Point C: why would you believe Earth is a sphere?




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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1158 on: August 27, 2019, 06:42:41 PM »
I would certainly wonder where the sun went, why the stars seem to rotate around a fixed point, and I would definitely wonder what's over that horizon.

But, it's 2019, not 500 years ago, the Earth isn't flat. Humans have traveled far enough away to check!
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1159 on: August 27, 2019, 06:50:36 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 06:36:14 PM
Anyone else?

If you observed horizons like this (below) five hundred years ago everywhere you went and for decades and without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, why would you believe Earth is a sphere?

Point A:  five hundred years ago
Point B: without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape
Point C: why would you believe Earth is a sphere?





Point A - Ferdinand Magellan circumnavigated the globe 500 years ago, I'm fairly positive celestial navigation proves the Earth is not flat.  Solve for me the riddle of the Southern Cross and Sigma Octanis; you'll find it's existence quite troublesome for the flat earth conjecture.

Point B - A horizon that makes a distinct separation between the sea and the sky?  Proof positive that the Earth is not flat.

Point C - For the reasons I mentioned above.  One thing is for certain, it isn't flat and ample evidence lends itself to the shape being decidedly spherical.

Let me ask you this; if the Earth is a flat disk, with the north pole at its center, where is Sigma Octanis (the southern polar star)?  If I stand on Cape Horn, and you stand on Cape Hope and we both look south, we would both see Sigma Octanis to our south.  But if the Earth is flat, then Sigma Octanis would need to simultaneously exist at two different places in the sky for both of us to see it due south, which we know isn't the case in the real world. 

So is it flat?  No.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1160 on: August 27, 2019, 06:58:18 PM »
Quote from: Themightykabool on August 27, 2019, 02:44:51 PM
I have a problem with you ignoring because you know answring the simple question reveals your failed logixc


What direction is gravity???!!!
Yep, he ignores me too because I asked two questions that destroyed the arguments he made at the time.  He lost.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1161 on: August 27, 2019, 07:00:36 PM »
Quote from: Gumwars on August 27, 2019, 06:50:36 PM
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 06:36:14 PM
Anyone else?

If you observed horizons like this (below) five hundred years ago everywhere you went and for decades and without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, why would you believe Earth is a sphere?

Point A:  five hundred years ago
Point B: without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape
Point C: why would you believe Earth is a sphere?





Point A - Ferdinand Magellan circumnavigated the globe 500 years ago, I'm fairly positive celestial navigation proves the Earth is not flat.  Solve for me the riddle of the Southern Cross and Sigma Octanis; you'll find it's existence quite troublesome for the flat earth conjecture.

Point B - A horizon that makes a distinct separation between the sea and the sky?  Proof positive that the Earth is not flat.

Point C - For the reasons I mentioned above.  One thing is for certain, it isn't flat and ample evidence lends itself to the shape being decidedly spherical.

Let me ask you this; if the Earth is a flat disk, with the north pole at its center, where is Sigma Octanis (the southern polar star)?  If I stand on Cape Horn, and you stand on Cape Hope and we both look south, we would both see Sigma Octanis to our south.  But if the Earth is flat, then Sigma Octanis would need to simultaneously exist at two different places in the sky for both of us to see it due south, which we know isn't the case in the real world. 

So is it flat?  No.

If you give me a direct answer to what I asked, an answer that applies to what is asked. I will do the same.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1162 on: August 27, 2019, 07:21:18 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 07:00:36 PM
If you give me a direct answer to what I asked, an answer that applies to what is asked. I will do the same.

How much more direct do you want?
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1163 on: August 27, 2019, 07:30:18 PM »
Quote from: Gumwars on August 27, 2019, 07:21:18 PM
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 07:00:36 PM
If you give me a direct answer to what I asked, an answer that applies to what is asked. I will do the same.

How much more direct do you want?

Maybe you should read the points again and try again.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1164 on: August 27, 2019, 07:56:20 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 07:30:18 PM
Maybe you should read the points again and try again.

Or, you could not be evasive and let me know what sort of answers you're looking for.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1165 on: August 27, 2019, 08:08:11 PM »
Quote from: Gumwars on August 27, 2019, 07:56:20 PM
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 07:30:18 PM
Maybe you should read the points again and try again.

Or, you could not be evasive and let me know what sort of answers you're looking for.


Why (500 or 1000, years ago does not matter)  would you believe Earth is a sphere after seeing a horizontal horizon for decades? And without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, including opinions on Ferdin and Magellan.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1166 on: August 27, 2019, 08:18:16 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 06:36:14 PM
Anyone else?

If you observed horizons like this (below) five hundred years ago everywhere you went and for decades and without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, why would you believe Earth is a sphere?

Point A:  five hundred years ago
Five hundred years ago most people were sensible enough to see that the earth was a Globe! Get used to it!

And back there they believed that that the earth was a perfect sphere, about the current size, stationary and the centre of the Universe.
They followed the description given in the Almagest written by Ptolemy.

That is described is "more modern language" (if over 700 years ago can be called more modern ;D) in:
De sphaera mundi, a medieval introduction to the basic elements of astronomy written by Johannes de Sacrobosco c. 1230.

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Point B: without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape
Point C: why would you believe Earth is a sphere?
While it might be hard to know that the earth is a sphere I can readily see that it is NOT flat because of the horizon, the sun and moon rising and setting.
I can also readily see that the Sun, Moon, planets and stars cannot be close by simple observation.

I addition I have travelled to many other countries on the "other side" of the earth and have seen the same things there - except that the Sun and Moon seemed in the "wrong place".

If the earth is not flat everywhere it seems very reasonable that is would be a sphere-like object and certainly NOT FLAT!

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Again you show two photos that fit far better with a huge Globe than your Flat Earth, congratulations!
Are you really trying the show that the flat earth is ridiculous and that the earth must be a Globe because that is what you are doing!
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1167 on: August 27, 2019, 08:19:17 PM »
Actually, I'll take another stab at it:

Point A:  five hundred years ago

I stand by my first response.  Ferdinand Magellan performed the first circumnavigation of the globe in 1519 (well, started in 1519).  That is exactly 500 years ago.  In order to successfully circumnavigate the globe, one must have a fairly accurate and consistent command of celestial navigation, something we know existed at the time as the Italians were not the only folks making runs across the Atlantic, or other oceans for that matter.  So, would an individual looking at the images you provided 500 years ago think the Earth a pancake?  Very likely no, especially if that individual was a sailor.  And who would we likely find near an ocean 500 years ago?  A sailor.

Point B: Without anyone's opinion of the Earth's shape

I stand by this comment as well.  Sir, the fact that a horizon exists and is distinctly visible is not proof that the Earth is flat.  To the contrary, the very visible terminus between the ocean and the sky points more to an object being obscured (think line of sight being blocked) than it proof of a incredibly large plane.  I would expect if the Earth was flat that we would not have a horizon; it would be this haze in the distance as the vanishing point would be ludicrously distant.  So, to answer your second point, without an opinion of its shape, I can conclude it is not flat.

Point C: why would you believe Earth is a sphere?

Sigma Octanis and Polaris.  The fact that these stars exist and are located where they are is proof that the Earth is a globe. 
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1168 on: August 27, 2019, 08:20:08 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 06:08:36 PM
And without anyone’s opinion on Earth’s shape, why would you believe Earth is a sphere?
Because I don't need super secret knowledge to explain a sunset.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1169 on: August 27, 2019, 08:40:57 PM »
Quote from: Plat Terra on August 27, 2019, 08:08:11 PM
Why would you believe Earth is a sphere after seeing a horizontal horizon for decades?

Because that is exactly how the horizon SHOULD look in a huge sphere! When will you face up to that simple FACT!

If you look out over the ocean with your eyes about 6 feet above the water the horizon is a circle about 3 and 1/4 miles away.

So what you are seeing is a circle of 3 and 1/4 mile radius almost edge-on.
That edge-on circle looks almost perfectly flat and horizontal and is only about 12 feet below your eye-level and 12 feet in 3.24 miles is an angle of only 0.04°.

In other words, the horizon on the 7920-mile diameter Globe should look straight, horizontal and almost exactly at eye-level.

Remember that those people 500, 1000, or 2000 years ago were used to seeing ships appearing to come up over that horizon so a sphere seemed quite logical.
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