When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 25, 2019, 06:12:38 PM

Of course the opposition will respond with ridicule,

Why would "" not "" because the simulation IS ridiculous!

Quote from: Plat Terra

but now they know light can appear to go down as it moves away and yet stays the same height above the surface with just a simple science experiment.

Sure when you move a lens around!
But how does this magic lens keep the sun almost exactly same apparent size from sunrise to sunset apart from some distortion due to refraction when very close to the horizon?

Quote from: Plat Terra

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2197868#msg2197868

Your flat earth seems to need more and more guesses and magic the deeper you go.

I prefer to keep it the everyday things we see simple thanks.

Simple because of your limited small mind unable to comprehend the universe as it is - but rather what you find convenient. That's not how the universe works (unless this universe is simply a product of your imagination. If so, imagine me out please)

Quote from: Crutchwater on August 25, 2019, 06:36:19 PM

I would also like to ask, when the sun goes away "through more and more atmosphere" on a clear evening, how is it replaced by stars visible right down to the horizon?

After the greater light goes away the stars can easily be seen.

Do you realise how ridiculous that even sounds? You say, "the greater light goes away" but "the stars" become visible in exactly the same location!

These other objects, such as the moon and the planet Venus, can be seen soon after the sun sets and right where the sun was!
Yet you claim that the atmosphere hides the sun, about 500,000,000 times brighter than Venus, yet cannot hide Venus!

Simple (un)common sense would indicate that some very opaque object is needed to hide the extreme brightness of the sun.

The simple explanation is that this "very opaque object" is the Globe getting in the way - maybe that's why it's called "sunset" and not "sun leaving".

Quote from: rabinoz on August 25, 2019, 06:48:13 PM

I prefer to keep it the everyday things we see simple thanks.

Simple because of your limited small mind unable to comprehend the universe as it is - but rather what you find convenient. That's not how the universe works.

OK, YOU explain how the Universe works in relation to an everyday occurrence like sunsets!

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 06:50:57 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on August 25, 2019, 06:48:13 PM

I prefer to keep it the everyday things we see simple thanks.

Simple because of your limited small mind unable to comprehend the universe as it is - but rather what you find convenient. That's not how the universe works.

OK, YOU explain how the Universe works in relation to an everyday occurrence like sunsets!

The universe is not the shape or configuration you think it is. Even if you believe we are a tiny speck in the unfathomably large size of the universe, the structure still effects our perspective despite our small area of occupation

There are far more spatial dimensions then the 3 you are led to believe exist. Gravity doesn't work or operate on the limited level you think it does. There is matter and energy that exists unseen by current technology that occupies more 'space' than anything visible that you see even with specialised instruments that can see from the long radio waves to the ultra high energy gamma rays.

All these things come into play in how we view the universe and that includes the simple act of watching the sun set.

Quote from: rabinoz on August 25, 2019, 07:13:18 PM

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 06:50:57 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on August 25, 2019, 06:48:13 PM

I prefer to keep it the everyday things we see simple thanks.

Simple because of your limited small mind unable to comprehend the universe as it is - but rather what you find convenient. That's not how the universe works.

OK, YOU explain how the Universe works in relation to an everyday occurrence like sunsets!

<< Irrelevant  >>

Now, YOU explain an everyday occurrence like sunsets!

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 07:25:09 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on August 25, 2019, 07:13:18 PM

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 06:50:57 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on August 25, 2019, 06:48:13 PM

I prefer to keep it the everyday things we see simple thanks.

Simple because of your limited small mind unable to comprehend the universe as it is - but rather what you find convenient. That's not how the universe works.

OK, YOU explain how the Universe works in relation to an everyday occurrence like sunsets!

<< Irrelevant  >>

Now, YOU explain an everyday occurrence like sunsets!

I gave you the answer at the level your primitive mind would understand. Think it irrelevant all you want

Honestly rab, you're talking to Shifter here..... What kind of answer were you expecting?

The atmosphere acts like a lens and its appearance gets larger as it moves farther away.

That's why we also see airplanes bigger and bigger as they go away.
Or do we?

Honestly rab, you're talking to Shifter here..... What kind of answer were you expecting?

Nonsense as usual from a self-important pretentious nobody and what do I get? "Nonsense as usual from a self-important pretentious useless nobody".

Situation normal! !

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 07:36:27 PM

Honestly rab, you're talking to Shifter here..... What kind of answer were you expecting?

Nonsense as usual from a self-important pretentious nobody and what do I get? "Nonsense as usual from a self-important pretentious useless nobody".

Situation normal! !

It's how you read it of course. You want to argue with information from an ASI that is more intelligent than you by a factor of billions, then feel free to look the fool

What you fail to realise is that while yes, a spherical Earth could work in the situation of a sunset as you describe, it is not the only answer that fits the question. However only 1 answer is truly correct and yours, simply isn't it.

<< Still no answer!  >>

I'm still waiting YOU to explain an everyday occurrence like sunsets! I can only assume that you can't!

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 08:08:22 PM

<< Still no answer!  >>

I'm still waiting YOU to explain an everyday occurrence like sunsets! I can only assume that you can't!

If you bothered to read what I wrote instead of replacing it with the word 'Irrelevant' You'd know I was talking the truth

However the intricate details are not for me to share with a primitive mind such as yourself. Kaku will come up with a theory that unifies everything within the decade. His work will revolutionise the field of physics and our understanding of The Universe. So much so that what we will learn within the next decade will be exponentially greater than what we have learned in the past 500 years. And once the first iteration of the ASI is built shortly before 2050, the singularity era will be upon us. Once all this becomes 'common knowledge', I can then share what you are supposed to know at the right time. I am sorry I have to be vague and if you do not live long enough to witness this revolution and die with such inferior knowledge.

Quote from: Crutchwater on August 25, 2019, 06:36:19 PM

I would also like to ask, when the sun goes away "through more and more atmosphere" on a clear evening, how is it replaced by stars visible right down to the horizon?

After the greater light goes away the stars can easily be seen.

Interesting, the greater and closer light vanishes yet the lesser and farther lights can be seen?

For the 50th time I'll ask, where above earth is your sun after it perspectively and atmospherically disappears over the horizon at sunset?

Quote from: rabinoz on August 25, 2019, 08:21:12 PM

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 08:08:22 PM

<< Still no answer!  >>

I'm still waiting YOU to explain an everyday occurrence like sunsets! I can only assume that you can't!

If you bothered to read what I wrote instead of replacing it with the word 'Irrelevant' You'd know I was talking the truth

OK, I bothered to read your ASI crap.

It's how you read it of course. You want to argue with information from an ASI that is more intelligent than you by a factor of billions, then feel free to look the fool

I'll ignore your usual ASI crap! I'd look more of a fool to take the slightest bit of notice of that.

What you fail to realise is that while yes, a spherical Earth could work in the situation of a sunset as you describe, it is not the only answer that fits the question. However only 1 answer is truly correct and yours, simply isn't it.

SO, what is YOUR "truly correct" answer ?

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 08:32:34 PM

What you fail to realise is that while yes, a spherical Earth could work in the situation of a sunset as you describe, it is not the only answer that fits the question. However only 1 answer is truly correct and yours, simply isn't it.

SO, what is YOUR "truly correct" answer ?

You will know when you are meant to know. I cant give it without getting into the sort of intricate details that Kaku is meant to find out and reveal. Isn't it good enough to simply say that you are wrong?

I cant give it without getting into the sort of intricate details that Kaku is meant to find out and reveal.

In others words you can't understand any of the intricate details that Michio Kaku talks about. I knew that long ago!

Isn't it good enough to simply say that you are wrong?

No, because I take that to mean that you have no idea yourself .

You've proven yourself incapable of answering the simplest question, so I think we're done here!

Say bye-bye to Asinine Shifter's Imaginary friend for me, thanks!

PS The topic is "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" and the answer is "not before the earth is proven to be other than almost spherical".

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 09:22:04 PM

I cant give it without getting into the sort of intricate details that Kaku is meant to find out and reveal.

In others words you can't understand any of the intricate details that Michio Kaku talks about. I knew that long ago!

It is what he will talk about. And I am already fully versed on it and far much more spanning longer than the universe has been in existence!

Quote from: Shifter

Isn't it good enough to simply say that you are wrong?

No, because I take that to mean that you have no idea yourself .

You've proven yourself incapable of answering the simplest question, so I think we're done here!

Say bye-bye to Asinine Shifter's Imaginary friend for me, thanks!

Take it however you please. I am not here for your personal gratification.

Quote from: rabinoz on August 25, 2019, 09:33:26 PM

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 09:22:04 PM

I cant give it without getting into the sort of intricate details that Kaku is meant to find out and reveal.

In others words you can't understand any of the intricate details that Michio Kaku talks about. I knew that long ago!

It is what he will talk about.

OK, let's see some of the simple stuff that Michio Kaku talks about:

Michio Kaku: The Universe in a Nutshell (Full Presentation) by Big Think
Looks all good to me!

And I am already fully versed on it and far much more spanning longer than the universe has been in existence!

Let's worry about the here and now for the purpose of this thread thank you!

If you want to skite about how YOU are "fully versed on it and far much more spanning longer than the universe has been in existence"  make you own thread on "The Infinite Smartness of Shifter".

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 09:38:22 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on August 25, 2019, 09:33:26 PM

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 09:22:04 PM

I cant give it without getting into the sort of intricate details that Kaku is meant to find out and reveal.

In others words you can't understand any of the intricate details that Michio Kaku talks about. I knew that long ago!

It is what he will talk about.

OK, let's see some of the simple stuff that Michio Kaku talks about:

Michio Kaku: The Universe in a Nutshell (Full Presentation) by Big Think
Looks all good to me!

Quote from: Shifter

And I am already fully versed on it and far much more spanning longer than the universe has been in existence!

Let's worry about the here and now for the purpose of this thread thank you!

If you want to skite about how YOU are "fully versed on it and far much more spanning longer than the universe has been in existence"  make you own thread on "The Infinite Smartness of Shifter".

His future discoveries will blow everyone away. Including himself. As I said earlier, sometimes multiple answers could fit the same question. The amount of data we have on the subject is very small. It appears to fit only because of this. But once all the pieces are known and put together you will find that with all the new data, what we believe to be true now, is not so.

How many times has the nature of the universe changed to fit new data that has been found? I guarantee it will change again. A scientist may stand up and give a lecture and believe he is telling the truth. But a decade later the lecture will be different because there is more data and thus the answers are different. Kakus 'Universe in a Nutshell' will read quite different in 2027!

Now regarding those Sunsets..... Oh never mind. It's beyond your understanding. Clearly.

For everyone else.... Meh, bendy light 

Now regarding those Sunsets..... Oh never mind. It's beyond your understanding. Clearly.

In other words you haven't a clue, got that loud and clear ages ago.

The following experiments shows a light going down in appearance

Using a lens which does not match the atmosphere at all.
As such, it is extremely dishonest to try and present it as an explanation of a sunset.

Yet hours before it came to view, there was its light already seen.
You can see the same with the sun. The sky starts to change colour before the sun is in view.

Yes, exactly as expected for a RE, and which makes no sense for a FE.

Quote from: rabinoz on August 25, 2019, 10:21:35 PM

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 09:38:22 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on August 25, 2019, 09:33:26 PM

Quote from: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 09:22:04 PM

I cant give it without getting into the sort of intricate details that Kaku is meant to find out and reveal.

In others words you can't understand any of the intricate details that Michio Kaku talks about. I knew that long ago!

It is what he will talk about.

OK, let's see some of the simple stuff that Michio Kaku talks about:

Michio Kaku: The Universe in a Nutshell (Full Presentation) by Big Think
Looks all good to me!

Quote from: Shifter

And I am already fully versed on it and far much more spanning longer than the universe has been in existence!

Let's worry about the here and now for the purpose of this thread thank you!

If you want to skite about how YOU are "fully versed on it and far much more spanning longer than the universe has been in existence"  make you own thread on "The Infinite Smartness of Shifter".

His future discoveries will blow everyone away. Including himself. As I said earlier, sometimes multiple answers could fit the same question. The amount of data we have on the subject is very small. It appears to fit only because of this. But once all the pieces are known and put together you will find that with all the new data, what we believe to be true now, is not so.

How many times has the nature of the universe changed to fit new data that has been found? I guarantee it will change again. A scientist may stand up and give a lecture and believe he is telling the truth. But a decade later the lecture will be different because there is more data and thus the answers are different. Kakus 'Universe in a Nutshell' will read quite different in 2027!

Now regarding those Sunsets..... Oh never mind. It's beyond your understanding. Clearly.

For everyone else.... Meh, bendy light 

The universe does not change, it is only our understanding of it, and it is clear that you have no understanding of it.

What you fail to realise is that while yes, a spherical Earth could work in the situation of a sunset as you describe, it is not the only answer that fits the question.

But it is by far the simplest and most straightforward explanation.  What is it again that Occam's Razor says about simpler explanations?

Simple for you perhaps. But your missing so much data it looks ridiculous to have any confidence in your assertions

Simple for you perhaps. But your missing so much data it looks ridiculous to have any confidence in your assertions

What data is missing for, let's say, a sunset?

Quote from: Shifter on August 26, 2019, 11:49:02 PM

Simple for you perhaps. But your missing so much data it looks ridiculous to have any confidence in your assertions

What data is missing for, let's say, a sunset?

More than you could fathom.....

You might not think physics beyond the Planck scale would make much difference. You might not think the web of what you call dark matter&energy make a difference because hey, you can't see it right? You might  think you know all there is to do about gravity but your wrong. It all matters

Quote from: Stash on August 26, 2019, 11:56:20 PM

Quote from: Shifter on August 26, 2019, 11:49:02 PM

Simple for you perhaps. But your missing so much data it looks ridiculous to have any confidence in your assertions

What data is missing for, let's say, a sunset?

More than you could fathom.....

You might not think physics beyond the Planck scale would make much difference. You might not think the web of what you call dark matter&energy make a difference because hey, you can't see it right? You might  think you know all there is to do about gravity but your wrong. It all matters

Why don't you just explain how sunset works with all that data you have?

Quote from: Shifter on August 27, 2019, 12:16:30 AM

Quote from: Stash on August 26, 2019, 11:56:20 PM

Quote from: Shifter on August 26, 2019, 11:49:02 PM

Simple for you perhaps. But your missing so much data it looks ridiculous to have any confidence in your assertions

What data is missing for, let's say, a sunset?

More than you could fathom.....

You might not think physics beyond the Planck scale would make much difference. You might not think the web of what you call dark matter&energy make a difference because hey, you can't see it right? You might  think you know all there is to do about gravity but your wrong. It all matters

Why don't you just explain how sunset works with all that data you have?

No

Quote from: kopfverderber on August 27, 2019, 12:28:41 AM

Quote from: Shifter on August 27, 2019, 12:16:30 AM

Quote from: Stash on August 26, 2019, 11:56:20 PM

Quote from: Shifter on August 26, 2019, 11:49:02 PM

Simple for you perhaps. But your missing so much data it looks ridiculous to have any confidence in your assertions

What data is missing for, let's say, a sunset?

More than you could fathom.....

You might not think physics beyond the Planck scale would make much difference. You might not think the web of what you call dark matter&energy make a difference because hey, you can't see it right? You might  think you know all there is to do about gravity but your wrong. It all matters

Why don't you just explain how sunset works with all that data you have?

No

So apart from abusing the missing data fallacy and using your crystal ball to see what Michio Kaku will do in the next ten years, you don't know what a sunset is?

Quote from: Shifter on August 27, 2019, 12:42:21 AM

Quote from: kopfverderber on August 27, 2019, 12:28:41 AM

Quote from: Shifter on August 27, 2019, 12:16:30 AM

Quote from: Stash on August 26, 2019, 11:56:20 PM

Quote from: Shifter on August 26, 2019, 11:49:02 PM

Simple for you perhaps. But your missing so much data it looks ridiculous to have any confidence in your assertions

What data is missing for, let's say, a sunset?

More than you could fathom.....

You might not think physics beyond the Planck scale would make much difference. You might not think the web of what you call dark matter&energy make a difference because hey, you can't see it right? You might  think you know all there is to do about gravity but your wrong. It all matters

Why don't you just explain how sunset works with all that data you have?

No

So apart from abusing the missing data fallacy and using your crystal ball to see what Michio Kaku will do in the next ten years, you don't know what a sunset is?

I know all there is to know (almost)*

*added for appearance of modesty

I gave you the answer at the level your primitive mind would understand.

Least creative shit ever.
Like you brung it to a PTA potluck, late,


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