When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

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Plat Terra

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When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: July 29, 2019, 07:09:44 PM »
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

Both the coastlines of Atlantic and Pacific are at 0' Sea level and both are 3,962 miles from Earths alleged center.
The distance between Oceans with the Panama Canal in-between is about 36 Miles.
The center of Panama Canal is about 18 miles from the coast on Gatun Lake and is 85’ above each Ocean shoreline.
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.
That means if Earth were a Globe, the Panama Canal could not exist because Gatun Lake would be under 131’ of sea water at 18 miles from the Coast. The Canal exists because water does not curve.

It’s that simple, we won. We really never lost. Earth Remains a flat Plane with mountains, hills and valleys and sea level bodies of water.

But the real question is, when is the Globe community going to accept defeat?

NASA can't help them, fake pictures and fake moon landings cannot rescue them. 

No argument they have is going to magically make the oceans curve and flood the Panama Canal, no matter what they say or do.  It’s not going to happen.  After reading this if one continues to defend a Globe Earth theory, they are just professional deniers who really don’t care for truth.

« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 09:51:07 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2019, 07:30:33 PM »
The center of Panama Canal (18 miles) on Gatun Lake is 3,828 Miles
from center of an alleged Globe Earth with a 3,959 mile radius.


The "3828 miles" is the wrong part that confused you.

Elevations are measured from the sea level, not from some imaginary flat plane.
Sea level follows the shape of the Earth, not that flat plane.

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Meanwhile, this might help you get the real picture:



a = 3963.19 miles
b = 3949.9 miles
(2a + b) / 3 = 3958.76 miles
« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 07:42:36 PM by Macarios »
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2019, 07:38:28 PM »
Beautiful Flat earth victory. All Hail the mighty Rowbotham!
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Plat Terra

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2019, 07:46:17 PM »
The center of Panama Canal (18 miles) on Gatun Lake is 3,828 Miles
from center of an alleged Globe Earth with a 3,959 mile radius.


The "3828 miles" is the wrong part that confused you.

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Meanwhile, this might help you get the real picture:



a = 3963.19 miles
b = 3949.9 miles
(2a + b) / 3 = 3958.76 miles

Nope. Not going to work no matter how you twist it. Gatun Lake is 85 miles above both Oceans sea level, no matter how far sea level  is to the center of Earth at that location. The calculation to center of Earth at that location will still put the Panama Canal under water.  18 miles is not going to make any difference. You are being intellectually dishonest. You should know better. 
« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 07:51:35 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2019, 07:48:17 PM »
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
That depends.  When will the FE community come up with a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2019, 07:58:29 PM »
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2019, 08:02:32 PM »
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

EDIT: And you did just opposite: you "measured" from some imaginary straight line that would be secant (cord) of the shape of the sea.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 08:06:19 PM by Macarios »
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2019, 08:05:20 PM »
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
That depends.  When will the FE community come up with a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?
When will the FE Community Accept Defeat in trying to come up with an accurate Flat Earth Map ?

That illustration is misleading and completely out of scale.
That illustration is completely dishonest !
Just who is being dishonest ?

The curvature of the earth would hardly be shown with that much curvature.
The length of the Panama Canal is about 51 miles.
The Panama Canal is close to the Equator at about 9 Degrees North Latitude.
The Circumference of the Earth would be close to 25,000 miles.
With the small mileage of 51 miles for the Panama Canal and the great mileage of 25,000 miles for the Circumference of the Earth, the curvature in that drawing should be shown as very close to a straight line instead of the exaggerated curve as shown in the drawing .
« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 08:14:18 PM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Plat Terra

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2019, 08:13:30 PM »
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2019, 08:22:25 PM »
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

PlatTerra your signature line is completely dishonest too. The curvature of the Earth has been measured in many ways.
The computation for the distance to the horizon for different heights above sea level is just one example of how the curvature of the earth has been measured.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 08:27:04 PM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Plat Terra

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2019, 08:24:04 PM »
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

PlatTerra your signature line is completely dishonest too. The curvature of the Earth has been measured lol?in many ways.
The computation for the distance to the horizon for different heights above sea level is just one example of how the curvature of the earth has been measured.

Then tell me what is the verified surface curvature of Florida and I will remove my signature.
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Macarios

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2019, 08:34:57 PM »
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

I gave you those numbers up there.
It's here again so you can understant better:

At 9 degrees north:
Atlantic from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles
Gatun from center of Earth - 3962.884 miles
Miraflores from center of Earth - 3962.878 miles
Pacific from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles

Again, elevations are measured from sea level, not from flat plane.



EDIT: I didn't add the gates here, you can understand them on your own.
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Plat Terra

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2019, 08:52:27 PM »
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

I gave you those numbers up there.
It's here again so you can understant better:

At 9 degrees north:
Atlantic from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles
Gatun from center of Earth - 3962.884 miles
Miraflores from center of Earth - 3962.878 miles
Pacific from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles

Again, elevations are measured from sea level, not from flat plane.



EDIT: I didn't add the gates here, you can understand them on your own.

« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 08:59:18 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2019, 08:56:55 PM »
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

I gave you those numbers up there.
It's here again so you can understant better:

At 9 degrees north:
Atlantic from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles
Gatun from center of Earth - 3962.884 miles
Miraflores from center of Earth - 3962.878 miles
Pacific from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles

Again, elevations are measured from sea level, not from flat plane.



EDIT: I didn't add the gates here, you can understand them on your own.

How much is 3962 miles + 85 miles?  4047 miles, correct?

Where are you getting 85 miles?
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2019, 08:59:30 PM »
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

PlatTerra your signature line is completely dishonest too. The curvature of the Earth has been measured lol?in many ways.
The computation for the distance to the horizon for different heights above sea level is just one example of how the curvature of the earth has been measured.

Then tell me what is the verified surface curvature of Florida and I will remove my signature.

It would depend on what section of Florida it would be measured .
The curvature is just the distance involved in comparison with the distance of the circumference of the Earth.
The example I mentioned in my post may not be a direct measurement of the curvature of the Earth but it definitely is prove of the evidence of the curvature of the earth.
Unless you want to call that as false....And the U.S. Navy and all its Lookouts are liars and part of the Conspiracy ?
The example was from the U.S. Navy's " Manual For Lookouts "
Which show the distance to the horizon for different heights above the level of the sea.
If the earth was flat the FE idea seems to be that a person could see at some  far distance and only limited by the Haze of the so-called "atmoplane" .
In reality the person on the real Earth can see is limited by the distance he can see to the horizon
And the distance the person can see to the horizon depends on high he is above the level of the sea or the land.
That is why, on early ships, the man in the crow's nest, mounted high on one of the masts of the ship, could see farther than the man on the bridge of the ships.
Atmospheric conditions play a part in how far a person can see , too, of course.
If the earth was flat , the man on the bridge could see just as far as the man in the crow's nest.
There would be no need for crow's nests on ships if the earth was flat.

Of course this is all really elementary.
Everyone but Flat Earthers seem to be aware the Earth is not a Flat Earth.

The real question is "  When will the FE Community Accept  Defeat ? "
I think it is something like that last line of  the University  Of Texas song :
" The eyes of Texas are upon you..........'Til Gabriel blows His Horn ! "
LOL
« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 09:08:05 PM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Plat Terra

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2019, 08:59:57 PM »
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

I gave you those numbers up there.
It's here again so you can understant better:

At 9 degrees north:
Atlantic from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles
Gatun from center of Earth - 3962.884 miles
Miraflores from center of Earth - 3962.878 miles
Pacific from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles

Again, elevations are measured from sea level, not from flat plane.



EDIT: I didn't add the gates here, you can understand them on your own.

How much is 3962 miles + 85 miles?  4047 miles, correct?

Where are you getting 85 miles?
OOPS
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2019, 09:48:03 PM »
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

I gave you those numbers up there.
It's here again so you can understant better:

At 9 degrees north:
Atlantic from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles
Gatun from center of Earth - 3962.884 miles
Miraflores from center of Earth - 3962.878 miles
Pacific from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles

Again, elevations are measured from sea level, not from flat plane.



EDIT: I didn't add the gates here, you can understand them on your own.

How much is 3962 miles + 85 miles?  4047 miles, correct?

Where are you getting 85 miles?
OOPS

Now that that's been cleared up, do you still have an argument you'd like to make? I see that you've deleted a bunch from your OP. Do you understand yet how the globe model works?

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Plat Terra

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2019, 09:55:50 PM »
It's late. Simple mistake. I had miles instead of 131 feet in my write up. My Meme is still correct the Panama Canal wouldn't exist if Earth were a sphere.

Both the coastlines of Atlantic and Pacific are at 0' Sea level and both are 3,962 miles from Earths alleged center.
The distance between Oceans with the Panama Canal in-between is about 36 Miles.
The center of Panama Canal is about 18 miles from the coast on Gatun Lake and is 85’ above each Ocean shoreline.
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.
That means if Earth were a Globe, the Panama Canal could not exist because Gatun Lake would be under 131’ of sea water at 18 miles from the Coast. The Canal exists because water does not curve.

It’s that simple, we won. We really never lost. Earth Remains a flat Plane with mountains, hills and valleys and sea level bodies of water.

But the real question is, when is the Globe community going to accept defeat?

The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2019, 10:03:28 PM »
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Your "216 ft" are below those 85 and 54 feet, doesn't overlap them.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.

« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 10:23:00 PM by Macarios »
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These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
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Plat Terra

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2019, 10:21:18 PM »
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.




No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Macarios

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2019, 10:25:16 PM »
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.




No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Plat Terra

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2019, 10:40:50 PM »
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.




No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Macarios

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2019, 10:49:07 PM »
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.




No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

Still wrong:

You are still pushing wrong measuring origin.

It is measured from local sea level, not from some sea somewhere else (over there at the coast).

What measures would you get if you measure from the level of the Indian ocean?
(Or from Cuba in Atlantic and Hawaii in Pacific?)

This is where are those 85 and 54 feet.
M is not 54 feet.
G is not 85 feet.


I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Plat Terra

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2019, 10:55:05 PM »
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.




No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

Still wrong:

You are still pushing wrong measuring origin.

It is measured from local sea level, not from some sea somewhere else (over there at the coast).

What measures would you get if you measure from the level of the Indian ocean?
(Or from Cuba in Atlantic and Hawaii in Pacific?)

This is where are those 85 and 54 feet.
M is not 54 feet.
G is not 85 feet.




You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

You have the lake at 301' above each Ocean, why?



« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 11:00:16 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Stash

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2019, 10:59:40 PM »
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.




No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

Still wrong:

You are still pushing wrong measuring origin.

It is measured from local sea level, not from some sea somewhere else (over there at the coast).

What measures would you get if you measure from the level of the Indian ocean?
(Or from Cuba in Atlantic and Hawaii in Pacific?)

This is where are those 85 and 54 feet.
M is not 54 feet.
G is not 85 feet.




You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

What do you mean exactly by 'curvature drop'?

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Macarios

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2019, 11:01:32 PM »
You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

I clearly showed you where is the drop of 216 feet.
It is below the sea level.

Between the sea level and the plane connecting the coast lines.





EDIT: My mistake, and my apologies.

The drop is 216 feet, but from the local horizontal line at one coast.
The bulge is smaller.
The bulge is 53 feet high.

« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 11:23:45 PM by Macarios »
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Plat Terra

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2019, 11:02:16 PM »
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.




No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

Still wrong:

You are still pushing wrong measuring origin.

It is measured from local sea level, not from some sea somewhere else (over there at the coast).

What measures would you get if you measure from the level of the Indian ocean?
(Or from Cuba in Atlantic and Hawaii in Pacific?)

This is where are those 85 and 54 feet.
M is not 54 feet.
G is not 85 feet.




You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

What do you mean exactly by 'curvature drop'?

You should know that.

You have the lake at 301' above each Ocean, why? Its supposed to be 85' above each ocean at the center of the canal
« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 11:19:54 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Macarios

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2019, 11:32:03 PM »
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.




No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

Still wrong:

You are still pushing wrong measuring origin.

It is measured from local sea level, not from some sea somewhere else (over there at the coast).

What measures would you get if you measure from the level of the Indian ocean?
(Or from Cuba in Atlantic and Hawaii in Pacific?)

This is where are those 85 and 54 feet.
M is not 54 feet.
G is not 85 feet.




You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

What do you mean exactly by 'curvature drop'?

You should know that.

You have the lake at 301' above each Ocean, why? Its supposed to be 85' above each ocean at the center of the canal

It's supposed to be above the LOCAL sea level.
And it is.
Above the level where the water would be if you removed the ground.
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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rabinoz

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2019, 11:36:20 PM »
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
All the points you raise show nothing more than your failure to understand that elevations are measured above Mean Sea Level and not above some arbitrary lines that you choose to draw.

But the Globe Community might consider accepting defeat when, for a start, you have proven the earth to be flat with a coherent model that has:
  • An accurate map with the correct distances and directions adequate for long and short distance precise navigation.
    Note that ship and aircraft navigator have long used Globe derived maps to determine distance and directions.
    Many aircraft flights, including Kingsford Smith's crossing of the Pacific would have ended in disaster without accurate charts.

  • A flat earth shape/topology that allows "circumnavigation" in any of the many directions that have already been performed.
    In particular there are numerous polar-circumnavigations via both poles and a number equatorial circumnavigation, including one within 2 degrees of the equator.

  • An explanation for both the sun and moon appearing to rise rise top first from behind the horizon and appearing to set bottom first behind the horizon.

  • An explanation for the sun and moon remaining almost exactly the same angular size from rising to setting and from wherever they are observed.

  • Some way to predict the directions and times of sunrises and sunsets.

  • A shape that allows the elevation of the Pole star, Polaris, above horizontal to be almost equal to the latitude from which the observation is made.

  • An explanation for the constellations remaining the same shape and size from rising to setting and from wherever they are observed.

  • How the stars in the Northern Hemisphere can appear to rotate anti-clockwise around what known as the North Celestial Pole (close to Polaris) while
    the stars in the Southern Hemisphere can appear to rotate clockwise around what known as the South Celestial Pole (close to the faint star Sigma Octantis).
    In other words the stars appear to rotate around two distinct axes of rotation.

This is just a few that I can think of on the spot. Come back when you have sorted all those out.

I'm sure we can come up with a lot more things like the direction of rotation of hurricanes and cyclones and then the ordinary High and Low weather systems.

I'm sure that all these simple points have been raised before but I made a neat list for you to start on.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 11:39:32 PM by rabinoz »

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Stash

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2019, 11:37:42 PM »
Here's a very exaggerated depiction of how the cross section of the canal would look. I'm not sure how this is different from what Marcarios has shown, but it tries to show the elevation of the topography of the canal in relation to the two oceans. It's how the globe model works: