HAPPY HOAX ANNIVERSARY!!! (Rockets can't fly in a vacuum)

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 21, 2019, 04:42:23 AM

And still shows you wrong.
The water doesnt cease to have weight just because theres a hole opened.

I never said it did. You're saying it all.

If youre speaking english and you say once flow starts, the pressure on the gauge is negative, then the rest of the english speaking people will take that as there is no pressure on the gauge and thus there is no weight.
This is what you are saying.
This is the result of what you are saying.

Wtf you think stash has been on about all these pg?

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 21, 2019, 04:47:13 AM

If you built a tower of sponges and sat a book on top.
The book would stay up in the air.
If the sponges expanded the book would rise up.
That means the sponges are pushing on the underside of the book.

Nope.
If the sponges expanded the book would fall.
If they were compressed more the book would then rise.

Quote from: Themightykabool

PointA
If the water rocket has air leaving its bottom.
And the rocket is shown to fly up.
The rocket is - sitting on expanding air sponges?

The water rocket doesn't have air leaving its bottom, until all the water is expelled.

Quote from: Themightykabool

PointB
If so, then yoy have to admit that as air is leaving the butt end, there is presaure exeeted on the inside end of the rocket to be pushing it up.
And if we put a gauge on there it would show positive values even if there was a negative rate/ declining set.

Nope. If air is leaving then there cannot be an opposite push on a closed end inside a bottle/rocket.

Quote from: Themightykabool

So how do you reconcile poont a with b and claim no contradiction?

Just as I explain.

1.
How would a stack of compressing sponge (gets smaller) lift up a rocket?

If you had a stack of sponges, pushed down on them with you hand to compress them, are you gaining height or losing height?


2.
Ok
Lets stack this up:
Outside air-water-compresssd pressurizsd air in tube-tube.

Please highlight and tell us what the tube is in contact with?

Plus, as the rocket is ejecting water the rocket immediately starts to move.
Its not the water first ejected fully, then rocket starts to move.


3.
If there is no pressure on the rocket, whats pushing it up?!!
And dont give bs "press on gas on gas."
Because there is no direct contact between that useless description and the contact with the bottom of rhe rocket.
Tell us or show us what exactly is pushing the bottom, what is in direct contact with the bottom of the rocket, to cause it to go up.



4.
And see we have 3 contradicting points.
Nothing is reconciled.

If the sponges expanded the book would fall.
If they were compressed more the book would then rise.

This makes no sense at all.
If the sponges compress, that means their volume is reduced.
How does that magically make the book get higher?
That should make it get lower.
How does a shrinking support make something go higher?

Nope. If air is leaving then there cannot be an opposite push on a closed end inside a bottle/rocket.

Again, all the evidence shows otherwise.
If there is no push the rocket can't go up.
You need to have something pushing the rocket up and the only thing that can is the gas, which you claim can't be pushing it up.
Likewise, if it can't push on the other end, the gauge on the other end would rapidly go to 0, rather than continuing to show a positive value as the pressure inside slowly reduces.
Likewise, if it can't push away from the opening, then it can't keep the balloon expanded and it will rapidly shrink to its normal size.
Likewise, if it can't push away from the opening then then it can't keep the wacky wavy arm flailing tube man up being wacky and flailing its arms.


And again, you avoid very simple questions. These questions aren't hard to answer for mainstream physics, probably because it doesn't have a deep seeded need to deny the reality of rockets working in a vacuum.
Yet they seem impossible for you.
Again:
What is the gas pushing against to allow it to move (which isn't the rocket and which the rocket can't push against)?
How does the gas magically know to stop pushing outwards in all directions and instead only push towards the opening?
How does the gas move towards the opening if it is pushing towards it, meaning it would be pushed away?

And as a bonus question, just what evidence at all do you have that gas works the way you claim rather than the way mainstream science has shown it does?

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If youre speaking english and you say once flow starts, the pressure on the gauge is negative, then the rest of the english speaking people will take that as there is no pressure on the gauge and thus there is no weight.
This is what you are saying.
This is the result of what you are saying.

Wtf you think stash has been on about all these pg?

I never said there was no pressure. I said the pressure was negative, meaning it's not positive, meaning it's now simply resisting the gauge and not positively pushing the gauge.

It's only negative when there is a breach/open valve to the container. It's positive when it's contained or added to in a container.

Quite simple to understand.

I never said there was no pressure. I said the pressure was negative, meaning it's not positive, meaning it's now simply resisting the gauge and not positively pushing the gauge.

It's only negative when there is a breach/open valve to the container. It's positive when it's contained or added to in a container.

Quite simple to understand.

Yes, simple to understand and simple to realise it is pure nonsense.
There is no negative pressure. That means the gas would be applying a force which draws things towards it. i.e. a vacuum that sucks.
This does not happen in reality.
Instead, the pressure is always positive.
Again, stop making up meanings for words which already have them.
Start using the words and meanings which society has agreed upon.
The pressure is positive, even while the pressure is decreasing. In that case the RATE is negative while the VALUE is positive.
Do you understand the difference?

Again:
What is the gas pushing against to allow it to move (which isn't the rocket and which the rocket can't push against)?
How does the gas magically know to stop pushing outwards in all directions and instead only push towards the opening?
How does the gas move towards the opening if it is pushing towards it, meaning it would be pushed away?

And as a bonus question, just what evidence at all do you have that gas works the way you claim rather than the way mainstream science has shown it does?

We know you like to intentionally misuse words whcih is at the heart of what im trying to flush out.

Lets remove "negative" and "postive" because you clearly refuse to speak english.
"Pushing" and "pushing a little less than before", is all still "pushing".
Yes no?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 21, 2019, 05:57:15 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 21, 2019, 04:47:13 AM

If you built a tower of sponges and sat a book on top.
The book would stay up in the air.
If the sponges expanded the book would rise up.
That means the sponges are pushing on the underside of the book.

Nope.
If the sponges expanded the book would fall.
If they were compressed more the book would then rise.

Quote from: Themightykabool

PointA
If the water rocket has air leaving its bottom.
And the rocket is shown to fly up.
The rocket is - sitting on expanding air sponges?

The water rocket doesn't have air leaving its bottom, until all the water is expelled.

Quote from: Themightykabool

PointB
If so, then yoy have to admit that as air is leaving the butt end, there is presaure exeeted on the inside end of the rocket to be pushing it up.
And if we put a gauge on there it would show positive values even if there was a negative rate/ declining set.

Nope. If air is leaving then there cannot be an opposite push on a closed end inside a bottle/rocket.

Quote from: Themightykabool

So how do you reconcile poont a with b and claim no contradiction?

Just as I explain.

1.
How would a stack of compressing sponge (gets smaller) lift up a rocket?

If you had a stack of sponges, pushed down on them with you hand to compress them, are you gaining height or losing height?


2.
Ok
Lets stack this up:
Outside air-water-compresssd pressurizsd air in tube-tube.

Please highlight and tell us what the tube is in contact with?

Plus, as the rocket is ejecting water the rocket immediately starts to move.
Its not the water first ejected fully, then rocket starts to move.


3.
If there is no pressure on the rocket, whats pushing it up?!!
And dont give bs "press on gas on gas."
Because there is no direct contact between that useless description and the contact with the bottom of rhe rocket.
Tell us or show us what exactly is pushing the bottom, what is in direct contact with the bottom of the rocket, to cause it to go up.



4.
And see we have 3 contradicting points.
Nothing is reconciled.

And regardless of your redefinition of pos vs neg, these points still stand that you have a contradiction in theory.

1. How would a stack of compressing sponge (gets smaller) lift up a rocket?

The same way compressing into the below stack by helicopter blades creates a higher pressure below than above for the helicopter to sit on.
It like a vertical mole ploughing through the atmosphere, like a rocket would. Move the air out the way and push it behind you and use that as your leverage...and so on.
Same as swimming.

I'm simply showing you why by using analogies to help explain.

If you had a stack of sponges, pushed down on them with you hand to compress them, are you gaining height or losing height?

That's just the key issue.
At first you would be compressing them with your hand and so, your hand would naturally move down.
However, what you're not understanding here is, your hand would be the fuel from the rocket expanding by the burn and compressing the atmosphere under it.
Soon enough that compression from that burn cannot be compressed anymore by that burn and now it is being compressed itself by the expansion of the reaction of the super compressed stack below.

Or to put this in simple terms.
If you pushed down hard on the lever of a bicycle pump you'll feel a massive resistance to that push as you compress the air. You feel the bounce back against you.
That's all a rocket is doing and anything else, because that's what has to happen for anything to move. It just has slight variations in how it's achieved, but essentially exactly the same thing.

Plus, as the rocket is ejecting water the rocket immediately starts to move.
Its not the water first ejected fully, then rocket starts to move.

It is. It's the sheer expansion of the air behind that water that pushes the already dense water into the direct stack below it, which creates an immediate super compression of that stack, which reacts by decompressing against the water to push it back up, which is why you see the water start to spread out.
Once it's spread out, it's done it's job and this would be what you class as real exhaust, because that water has did its job.

3.
If there is no pressure on the rocket, whats pushing it up?!!
And dont give bs "press on gas on gas."
Because there is no direct contact between that useless description and the contact with the bottom of rhe rocket.

It is gas on gas. It's a gas fight.
It's a compressed gas expanding into a compressed gas to compress it further and that gas decompressing to resist that and push back.
It becomes exactly that, a gas on gas fight that the rocket simply sits atop of.

Tell us or show us what exactly is pushing the bottom, what is in direct contact with the bottom of the rocket, to cause it to go up.

It's like you jumping from a height onto a trampoline. Your dense mass will compress that trampoline down in that centre until your dense mass cannot thrust against it with any more force. the trampoline now reacts to that and pushes back to regain equilibrium.
However, if people keeps on jumping on top of you and someone on top of them in quick succession then they all collectively compress that trampoline down so much so that it collapses.
However, if the person on person  push was rapid enough, it wouldn't matter because all the jumpers would still rise higher whilst the original jumpers would be laid on the floor stacking up to fill the hole they originally made.

Really think about what I'm saying.

4.
And see we have 3 contradicting points.
Nothing is reconciled.

There are no contradicting points. It's because you can't or refuse to grasp what I'm telling you and make up your own stuff to then make out I said it.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 21, 2019, 05:57:15 AM

If the sponges expanded the book would fall.
If they were compressed more the book would then rise.

This makes no sense at all.
If the sponges compress, that means their volume is reduced.
How does that magically make the book get higher?
That should make it get lower.
How does a shrinking support make something go higher?

If the sponges compress it means something is compressing them into a larger resistance due to pushing into them, which is exactly what you say....down. However, this is just the initial start of why it all works, as I explained above to your mate.

And as a bonus question, just what evidence at all do you have that gas works the way you claim rather than the way mainstream science has shown it does?

Simple experiments that show how a stack works and why expansion/contraction/vibrations work to create what we see happening.

There is no evidence for rockets working in a vacuum and no evidence that rockets work the way they tell us.

The only evidence given is Newtons third law, as if it answers anything.

The only way supposed evidence for space rockets is valid is due to forced mainstream acceptance of it by those who basically throw out this nonsense.

We know you like to intentionally misuse words whcih is at the heart of what im trying to flush out.

Lets remove "negative" and "postive" because you clearly refuse to speak english.
"Pushing" and "pushing a little less than before", is all still "pushing".
Yes no?

Absolutely. I can work with that as long as you understand what I'm saying and don't try and twist it.

And regardless of your redefinition of pos vs neg, these points still stand that you have a contradiction in theory.

You not understanding it does not mean any contradiction exists...except to you because you do not understand it.

Instead of putting up your barrier all the time, try and understand what I'm telling you.

Quote from: Stash

So gauge watchers around the world should really be saying when a needle is going down, "We've got a resistant gas negative reading of 50 PSI..."?

Nope. If it's going down there is no definitive reading until it ceases.

What in the world does this mean?
So as the gauge is going down on my container, the gauge reads 50, 49, 48... I can't say that my pressure is at 45 when the gauge hits 45?  And when I slam the valve shut at the moment it hits 45 the previous no definitive reading just so happens to match exactly to the now definitive one..of 45? What kind of stuff are you now making up on the fly?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 21, 2019, 02:03:06 AM

Quote from: Stash

So gauge watchers around the world should really be saying when a needle is going down, "We've got a resistant gas negative reading of 50 PSI..."?

Nope. If it's going down there is no definitive reading until it ceases.

What in the world does this mean?
So as the gauge is going down on my container, the gauge reads 50, 49, 48... I can't say that my pressure is at 45 when the gauge hits 45?  And when I slam the valve shut at the moment it hits 45 the previous no definitive reading just so happens to match exactly to the now definitive one..of 45? What kind of stuff are you now making up on the fly?

You can say anything you want as your gauge drops but the fact is the gauge pointer is decreasing, meaning there is no positive pressure on it.

I'll make this simple.
If you push on someone against a spring  and they move back as you keep pushing you can be said to be applying positive continuous building of pressure.
If you push on someone who directly pushes back until you both can't push into each other anymore you can say both pushes are equally under that pressure which is a positive pressure.

However, if the person pushing against the person on the spring, decides to lessen his push, then the person on the spring starts to push back against that person, whos is no longer applying positive pressure, only a resistance to person now being pushed into him by the spring.

Quote from: Stash on November 21, 2019, 11:48:27 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 21, 2019, 02:03:06 AM

Quote from: Stash

So gauge watchers around the world should really be saying when a needle is going down, "We've got a resistant gas negative reading of 50 PSI..."?

Nope. If it's going down there is no definitive reading until it ceases.

What in the world does this mean?
So as the gauge is going down on my container, the gauge reads 50, 49, 48... I can't say that my pressure is at 45 when the gauge hits 45?  And when I slam the valve shut at the moment it hits 45 the previous no definitive reading just so happens to match exactly to the now definitive one..of 45? What kind of stuff are you now making up on the fly?

You can say anything you want as your gauge drops but the fact is the gauge pointer is decreasing, meaning there is no positive pressure on it.

I'll make this simple.
If you push on someone against a spring  and they move back as you keep pushing you can be said to be applying positive continuous building of pressure.
If you push on someone who directly pushes back until you both can't push into each other anymore you can say both pushes are equally under that pressure which is a positive pressure.

However, if the person pushing against the person on the spring, decides to lessen his push, then the person on the spring starts to push back against that person, whos is no longer applying positive pressure, only a resistance to person now being pushed into him by the spring.

That's not answering the question of "When I slam the valve shut at the moment it hits 45 the previous no definitive reading just so happens to match exactly to the now definitive one..of 45?"

How does the no definitive reading always match exactly the definitive reading when the valve is closed?

That's not answering the question of "When I slam the valve shut at the moment it hits 45 the previous no definitive reading just so happens to match exactly to the now definitive one..of 45?"

How does the no definitive reading always match exactly the definitive reading when the valve is closed?

It does answer but you simply don't see it as an answer.

If you see someone rising up a vertical tube you can say there's positive pressure under that person.
If, at the top of that tube there was a spring loaded piston that pushed a gauge needle with readings that say a pressure push of 100 and it's held, then you call that a positive pressure of 100.

If you open the valve at the bottom and allow pressure out, the persons simple falls with the pressure and the piston simply rests upon the person and falls with him. This reading will have no positive push on it. It will read a negative drop....until you shut that valve....and then you can say it's now a positive pressure reading because it's set and now the person is back to pushing against the piston due to the pressure on him staying stable.

Quote from: Stash on November 22, 2019, 12:34:34 AM

That's not answering the question of "When I slam the valve shut at the moment it hits 45 the previous no definitive reading just so happens to match exactly to the now definitive one..of 45?"

How does the no definitive reading always match exactly the definitive reading when the valve is closed?

It does answer but you simply don't see it as an answer.

If you see someone rising up a vertical tube you can say there's positive pressure under that person.
If, at the top of that tube there was a spring loaded piston that pushed a gauge needle with readings that say a pressure push of 100 and it's held, then you call that a positive pressure of 100.

If you open the valve at the bottom and allow pressure out, the persons simple falls with the pressure and the piston simply rests upon the person and falls with him. This reading will have no positive push on it. It will read a negative drop....until you shut that valve....and then you can say it's now a positive pressure reading because it's set and now the person is back to pushing against the piston due to the pressure on him staying stable.

Yet again, that doesn't answer the specific question using your nomenclature: How does the no definitive reading(your term) always match exactly the definitive reading when the valve is closed? How is the pressure reading going down 'not definitive'? And how does it become definitive and match exactly the not definitive reading when the valve is closed?

Yet again, that doesn't answer the specific question using your nomenclature: How does the no definitive reading(your term) always match exactly the definitive reading when the valve is closed? How is the pressure reading going down 'not definitive'? And how does it become definitive and match exactly the not definitive reading when the valve is closed?

Because the open valve changes the set up of the gas molecular push on push in equal terms, meaning a shut valve creates the same compression at the valve as it does at the gauge end.

Once you open the valve you change the set up to a chain reaction expansion set up, in a flow to and out of that valve opening.
In doing so you omit the positive pressure upon the gauge side, because it's all following that chain reaction towards the opening.

All that the gauge reads in a fall by simply following that same pattern out by its own spring decompression.
There is no positive reading, only a falling negative needle reading nothing definitive.in terms of a set pressure and certainly not a positive pressure to that gauge.
However, the positive pressure is now flowing to and through the valve opening.

If you were to shut that valve off then all you do is arrest that flow and change it to equalisation or pressure on the valve and back onto the gauge and stopping that gauge pointer with positive pressure applied and set which will read how much compression is left inside the container.

Scepti

Take a small spring, for instance for a pen. 
Compress the spring between your fingers. 
What is keeping the spring from expanding?

Decompress the spring, but not fully.
What is keeping the spring from decompressing fully?

Scepti

Take a small spring, for instance for a pen. 
Compress the spring between your fingers. 
What is keeping the spring from expanding?

Your fingers applying equal pressure and resistance to it.

Decompress the spring, but not fully.
What is keeping the spring from decompressing fully?

Your fingers stopping the decompression.

What point are you trying to make?

Key being "between two fingers".
Move only one finger.
Do you feel the spring on both fingers even though youre only moving one finger?

Key being "between two fingers".
Move only one finger.
Do you feel the spring on both fingers even though youre only moving one finger?

You feel it on both fingers.
However, if you keep one finger still whilst releasing the spring with the other you feel less pressure on the other finger with every movement of the other finger.

The finger in this case still has to be a barrier for the spring but there is no positive push into that barrier. It's now simply following the other finger that has allowed it to release.

This is the same with the gauge.
And because the gauge needle drops so does the pressure on it, which; if you think about that in terms of your rocket, it means the rocket gas is doing absolutely nothing inside to push that rocket up.

This all nails it.

Not only do rockets not work in extreme low pressures but they do not work as we are told, even in atmosphere.
However we are duped into it for obvious reasons, because for the truth to be known would be to understand the truth about the space they  tell and sell us, which is, it isn't what we're led to believe they say it is and space rockets are merely gimmicks passed off as working reality aided by mass media hyping up of it.


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What happened to the vacuum chamber you were going to build with your 1 million dollar a day pay?

Is scepti that rich?!

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 22, 2019, 08:04:02 AM

Key being "between two fingers".
Move only one finger.
Do you feel the spring on both fingers even though youre only moving one finger?

You feel it on both fingers.
However, if you keep one finger still whilst releasing the spring with the other you feel less pressure on the other finger with every movement of the other finger.

The finger in this case still has to be a barrier for the spring but there is no positive push into that barrier. It's now simply following the other finger that has allowed it to release.

This is the same with the gauge.
And because the gauge needle drops so does the pressure on it, which; if you think about that in terms of your rocket, it means the rocket gas is doing absolutely nothing inside to push that rocket up.

This all nails it.

Not only do rockets not work in extreme low pressures but they do not work as we are told, even in atmosphere.
However we are duped into it for obvious reasons, because for the truth to be known would be to understand the truth about the space they  tell and sell us, which is, it isn't what we're led to believe they say it is and space rockets are merely gimmicks passed off as working reality aided by mass media hyping up of it.


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Incorrect.
You still feel the pressure of the spring on both fingers.

What happened to the vacuum chamber you were going to build with your 1 million dollar a day pay?

I think you have me mixed up with someone else.
It wasn't a vacuum chamber and I don't earn 1 million dollars a day.

Now stop making stuff up.

Is scepti that rich?!

No. Sokarul likes to make up stuff to suit his needs.

Incorrect.
You still feel the pressure of the spring on both fingers.

Yep but a continuous lessening on the finger that is stationary. A negative pressure in terms of gauge measurement.

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 22, 2019, 11:04:14 AM

Incorrect.
You still feel the pressure of the spring on both fingers.

Yep but a continuous lessening on the finger that is stationary. A negative pressure in terms of gauge measurement.

No
Stop using the word negative.
We wasted 15pg because you refuse to speak english.

The same way compressing into the below stack by helicopter blades

So it can't.
Good job showing you don't understand how helicopters work either, and completely avoiding the issue yet again.

It was a rather simple question.
You have a book sitting on a pile of air. You then claim that compressing the air makes the book go higher.
But now you are appealing to a completely different situation where you are putting more air in, which would make the air compressed, which then allows the air to decompress and push the book upwards.
But that is still decompression pushing the book up, and it is still the gas pushing the book up.

Move the air out the way and push it behind you and use that as your leverage...and so on.

So the rocket, moving the air inside it and pushing it behind it to use as leverage means it can move, including through a vacuum.
So rockets do work in a vacuum.

It's a compressed gas expanding into a compressed gas to compress it further and that gas decompressing to resist that and push back.

Why doesn't the initial decompression push the rocket up?
But again, in your nonsense, how does the push get transferred to the rocket?

According to you, the gas leaves the rocket and is completely unable to push up on the rocket.
Then this gas which has already left the rocket, interacts with the air below, and somehow magically this pushes the rocket up.

It's like you jumping from a height onto a trampoline.

No, it is nothing like it.
As you jump on a trampoline, the trampoline stretches and applies a force upwards to you. This initially slows you down and then makes  you move upwards.
The force on you comes from the trampoline in contact with you.
But in order for this to match your nonsense, you need to claim that that can't push you up, and instead by magic, something not in contact with you at all pushes you up.

Appealing to other situations easily explained by actual physics, but inexplicable by your nonsense doesn't help you.

Stop telling people to think and start thinking yourself.

If the sponges compress it means something is compressing them into a larger resistance due to pushing into them

Like a book sitting on top compressing it as it falls?
So the book goes down from the air compressing.

Perhaps I should have addressed the other side first.
How does it decompressing, where the gas gets bigger, make the book go down?
As above, with your nonsense, you appeal to the decompression pushing the book up.
So what you are really saying, is some crap happens before hand, then after that, the air decompresses, pushing the book up as it expands.

Quote from: JackBlack

And as a bonus question, just what evidence at all do you have that gas works the way you claim rather than the way mainstream science has shown it does?

Simple experiments that show how a stack works and why expansion/contraction/vibrations work to create what we see happening.

And this is just more pathetic deflection.
Notice how you didn't provide any actual evidence and instead just appealed to it existing?

There is no evidence

You ignoring the evidence doesn't just magically make it go away.
You dismissing it as fake or CGI, just because it shows you are wrong doesn't magically make it go away.

There is plenty.
This includes all the documentation on rockets working in space.
It includes the very satellites in orbit around Earth, put there by rockets working in space which take pictures of Earth and send them back, or provide services such as satellite TV and GPS, which can't be faked by land based systems unless you pretty much cover the entire Earth in transmitters and even then you still have massive issues.
It includes all the experiments which shows Newton's laws of motion in operation.
This includes the thought experiments which show the insanity of rejecting Newton's laws of motion, where forces are magically generated from nothing, where for example, if you have some object and you push it from behind, cutting the object in half will magically double the acceleration while keeping the force applied constant, which makes no sense at all.
It includes all the examples provided to you in this thread, showing that gas must push outwards in all directions all the time. Things you have been completely incapable of rationally responding to to provide an alternative explanation other than by trying to completely redefine words and pretending that because a rate is negative the value must be as well.
And it includes the very simple questions you continue to avoid which among other things shows a very simple fact, either rockets do work in a vacuum, or gas can magically be held inside a tube exposed to a vacuum, without leaking out.

If you want to honestly say there is no evidence, then you need to deal with all that. You need to be able to explain how the gauge reads a value, rather than rapidly returning to 0, without any force being applied to it, noting that the gas "resisting" is still applying a force.

You also need to be able to answer the very simple questions asked of you, which you have ignored countless times, or just provided pathetic non-answers.

Again:
What is the gas pushing against to allow it to move (which isn't the rocket and which the rocket can't push against)?
How does the gas magically know to stop pushing outwards in all directions and instead only push towards the opening?
How does the gas move towards the opening if it is pushing towards it, meaning it would be pushed away?

If you wish to claim you have evidence for your fantasy, you need to actually provide the evidence.
Provide some situation which your fantasy can explain (without contradicting itself) which real physics can't.

If you push on someone against a spring  and they move back as you keep pushing you can be said to be applying positive continuous building of pressure.

And there you go conflating rate and value yet again.
STOP TALKING ABOUT THE RATE!
START TALKING ABOUT THE VALUE!
Do you understand the difference?

Pressure is a VALUE!! Not a rate.
Yes, you can be said to apply a continuous building of pressure, but that is not what we are asking.
Instead we are asking about the ACTUAL PRESSURE!!! Do you understand that?

If you lessen the amount you are pushing, YOU ARE STILL PUSHING!!!
Do you understand that?

You even admitted that yourself.
Reducing the amount you are pushing doesn't mean you are no longer pushing.
Likewise, the pressure of the gas reducing doesn't mean it is no longer pushing.

If you resist the motion applying a force to slow it down, YOU ARE STILL PUSHING!!!
Do you understand that?

If you don't push, then the person or object moves as if you were not there.
Do you understand that?

What point are you trying to make?

It is quite clear, in order for the pressure gauge to not have its spring expand fully and return to the 0 point (and thus read 0), it needs to have a force acting upon it.
i.e. the gas is still acting on the gauge, unless the gauge reads 0.

This is the same with the gauge.
And because the gauge needle drops so does the pressure on it
This all nails it.

You are right that this nails it, but not in the way you think.
As the needle drops, the pressure drops. Notice that it doesn't magically become negative and stop pushing.
It is still pushing, it just drops.
So the gas, even while exiting the container still applies a force to the gauge.
The same happens with the rocket, with the gas inside pushing on the rocket, making it move.
i.e. rockets do work in a vacuum.


Again, if you wish to claim otherwise, and claims rocket can't work in a vacuum you need to deal with these very simple questions:
What is the gas pushing against to allow it to move (which isn't the rocket and which the rocket can't push against)?
How does the gas magically know to stop pushing outwards in all directions and instead only push towards the opening?
How does the gas move towards the opening if it is pushing towards it, meaning it would be pushed away?

For the first one, unless you can provide some magical entity there are only 2 options, either rockets work in a vacuum, or gas can remained trapped in a tube which is open to vacuum.