Why are the constellations different?

In Chile and Argentina recently, at night I could clearly see the Southern Cross, Alpha Centauri, Carina, etc. etc.  All stuff which you never see from Europe.  How do you explain that if the Earth is flat?

sight range. This is same thing with why you don't see the sun anymore after it has gone far away.

Ah - but the distance to, say, Alpha Centauri (the nearest bright star after the Sun) is about 25,000,000,000,000 miles.  The distance between, say, London and Antofagasta, is only about 6,700 miles.  Not enough to make a dent in that 25 trillion!

Oh - but I was forgetting!  You FE'ers don't believe the stars are that far away!  Presumably you think they're merely lamps hung up in the sky, a few tens of miles up....

Oh well - you can always prove your point by boarding the next available spaceship and taking a round trip to Alpha Centauri and back.  I shan't wait up, since at present spacecraft speeds it will take some 100,000 years.  You'll need to stay healthy! 

sight range. This is same thing with why you don't see the sun anymore after it has gone far away.

It’s not just the different constellations in the sky’s of the Southern Hemisphere it’s the way the moon is upside down and how the shadow on the moon moves in the opposite direction compared to the view from the northern hemisphere.

All these are things you would expect to see on a globe earth and not if the earth were flat.

sight range. This is same thing with why you don't see the sun anymore after it has gone far away.

How far away do the stars go? What is the difference in distance between the nearest star we see on any given night and the furthest star we see on that same night?

Quote from: wise on July 19, 2019, 06:37:18 AM

sight range. This is same thing with why you don't see the sun anymore after it has gone far away.

How far away do the stars go? What is the difference in distance between the nearest star we see on any given night and the furthest star we see on that same night?

How far away does the sun go at night  ?

sight range. This is same thing with why you don't see the sun anymore after it has gone far away.

We have telescopes. In FE theory, if I'm at the southern tip of Argentina the farthest away the Sun can be is what, around 10000 miles or so, and 3000 miles high in the sky is like this:



On my way to seeing the sun from Argentina at night, I should be able to see Polaris as well. But I can't see either for some reason using my high powered telescope. Why is that?

Quote from: EvolvedMantisShrimp on July 19, 2019, 03:31:38 PM

Quote from: wise on July 19, 2019, 06:37:18 AM

sight range. This is same thing with why you don't see the sun anymore after it has gone far away.

How far away do the stars go? What is the difference in distance between the nearest star we see on any given night and the furthest star we see on that same night?

How far away does the sun go at night  ?

That's easy enough to figure out. If the Sun is about 3000 miles above the surface of the Earth as many Flat Earthers claim, then the maximum possible distance would be the hypotenuse of a right-triangle with a base equal to the distance between the Antarctic rim(south pole) and the Tropic of Capricorn on the opposite side of the North Pole.(20,243 miles) and a height of 3000 miles. The hypoteneuse would be 20,464 miles. The azimuth would be about 8.4 degrees above the horizon.

Quote from: wise on July 19, 2019, 06:37:18 AM

sight range. This is same thing with why you don't see the sun anymore after it has gone far away.

We have telescopes. In FE theory, if I'm at the southern tip of Argentina the farthest away the Sun can be is what, around 10000 miles or so, and 3000 miles high in the sky is like this:




On my way to seeing the sun from Argentina at night, I should be able to see Polaris as well. But I can't see either for some reason using my high powered telescope. Why is that?

The weird thing is that you actually CAN see the sun when it is almost that far away from Argentina. It would be the December 21st Solstice. It would be daylight in Argentina for longer than 12 hours. And yet you can't see Polaris that night even though it's much closer.


Even weirder: The sun would rise(and set) in the Southern half of the sky not in the Northern half.

Even weirder: The sun would rise(and set) in the Southern half of the sky not in the Northern half.

Likewise, here in Queensland, Australia, in summer the sun rises towards the south-east and sets towards the south-west.
But most flat earthers insist that, in our mid-summer, the sun circles over the Tropic of Capricorn and so always north of here.

How is that possible?

Also I see constellations like Crux (Southern Cross) and Centaurus most of the year and see that they appear to circle clockwise around a point about 30° above due south.

Also, from south of the Equator (Peru and northern Chile), I could still see the familiar Plough (Big Dipper) - but it was low down near the horizon, and upside-down (with the 'bowl' facing downwards).  One never sees it in this orientation from Europe or N America.  A tough one for FE'ers to explain, methinks!  But I'm sure you guys are game for the challenge!

Also, from south of the Equator (Peru and northern Chile), I could still see the familiar Plough (Big Dipper) - but it was low down near the horizon, and upside-down (with the 'bowl' facing downwards).  One never sees it in this orientation from Europe or N America.  A tough one for FE'ers to explain, methinks!  But I'm sure you guys are game for the challenge!

It's no bother tp Flat Earthers! They just ignore any contrary evidence and/or call it fabricated - they even say so!

And still there's more on these "Conspiracy Theorists", BBC NEWS:Technology, YouTube aids flat earth conspiracy theorists, research suggests.

Yet there's more to follow :

Quote from: The Flat Earth Society Wiki

Place of the Conspiracy in FET
The existence of 'The Conspiracy' is a consequence of the FET. Virtually no one begins with 'The Conspiracy' and develops a belief in the Flat Earth Theory. Flat Earthers starts with the knowledge that the earth is flat, as they believe that all the evidence which they are personally able to collect and verify confirms this fact. As a consequence all the evidence to the contrary, much of which they are unable to personally test/verify is viewed as being false. The existence of such a huge quantity of false information indicates the existence of the conspiracy.

Essentially the reasoning boils down to -

P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated
P2) The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth
P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET
C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET is fabricated evidence
P4) If there is large amounts of fabricated evidence then there must be a conspiracy to fabricate it
P5) There is a large amount of fabricated evidence (see C1)
C2) There must be a conspiracy to fabricate it.

If there is no conspiracy there is no possibility that the earth could be flat and stationary.