Acceleration is not constant on Earth

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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #60 on: July 22, 2019, 12:30:41 PM »
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #61 on: July 22, 2019, 12:42:36 PM »
It's a great argument.  The FE model supposed an upward accelerating disk.  If different parts of the Earth accelerate at different rates, they won't stay together.

It's a terrible argument. Your arrogance is showing. That's why you got called out.

Imagine for a minute an elevator in a vacuum, accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s/s. Inside this elevator there are two different blocks with a 1kg mass each. One is wooden, the other steel, and each has a separate scale under it to measure its weight.

There's an electromagnet at the top. It's been off so far. Now it's turned on. The scale under the 1kg block of steel suddenly reads differently. Does the elevator break apart? Of course not.

A scale measures mass * acceleration. We have eliminated mass as a variable by using blocks with equal mass.

Here's the important part, as the mere possibility of a "yes" response negates your argument: Is it possible to measure mass*acceleration on objects situated on a rigid platform in a state of constant upwards acceleration, and arrive at different values for acceleration for those objects? Absolutely.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #62 on: July 22, 2019, 04:51:20 PM »
It's a great argument.  The FE model supposed an upward accelerating disk.  If different parts of the Earth accelerate at different rates, they won't stay together.

It's a terrible argument. Your arrogance is showing. That's why you got called out.

Imagine for a minute an elevator in a vacuum, accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s/s. Inside this elevator there are two different blocks with a 1kg mass each. One is wooden, the other steel, and each has a separate scale under it to measure its weight.

There's an electromagnet at the top. It's been off so far. Now it's turned on. The scale under the 1kg block of steel suddenly reads differently. Does the elevator break apart? Of course not.

A scale measures mass * acceleration. We have eliminated mass as a variable by using blocks with equal mass.

Here's the important part, as the mere possibility of a "yes" response negates your argument: Is it possible to measure mass*acceleration on objects situated on a rigid platform in a state of constant upwards acceleration, and arrive at different values for acceleration for those objects? Absolutely.

If you kick the wooden block the weight measurement would fluctuate as well.  But we're measuring the force of gravity not electromagetism or the strength of Bruce Lee's roundhouse.

Also, I'm arrogant because I'm right.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2019, 04:58:34 PM »
If you kick the wooden block the weight measurement would fluctuate as well.  But we're measuring the force of gravity not electromagetism or the strength of Bruce Lee's roundhouse.
You know, that doesn't really matter. This is what matters, as it's the reason your argument is void:
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Here's the important part, as the mere possibility of a "yes" response negates your argument: Is it possible to measure mass*acceleration on objects situated on a rigid platform in a state of constant upwards acceleration, and arrive at different values for acceleration for those objects? Absolutely.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2019, 05:03:56 PM »
If you kick the wooden block the weight measurement would fluctuate as well.  But we're measuring the force of gravity not electromagetism or the strength of Bruce Lee's roundhouse.
You know, that doesn't really matter. This is what matters, as it's the reason your argument is void:
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Here's the important part, as the mere possibility of a "yes" response negates your argument: Is it possible to measure mass*acceleration on objects situated on a rigid platform in a state of constant upwards acceleration, and arrive at different values for acceleration for those objects? Absolutely.

In your scenario, the acceleration of the steel block changes and then returns to it's previous value of acceleration once the block is lifted by the electromagnet.  There's flaw #1.

Then, what do the wooden block and steel block represent?  Mountains on Earth, cities, continents?  If those suddenly moved, there would be great devastation.  Flaw #2.

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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2019, 05:21:29 PM »
If you kick the wooden block the weight measurement would fluctuate as well.  But we're measuring the force of gravity not electromagetism or the strength of Bruce Lee's roundhouse.
You know, that doesn't really matter. This is what matters, as it's the reason your argument is void:
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Here's the important part, as the mere possibility of a "yes" response negates your argument: Is it possible to measure mass*acceleration on objects situated on a rigid platform in a state of constant upwards acceleration, and arrive at different values for acceleration for those objects? Absolutely.

In your scenario, the acceleration of the steel block changes and then returns to it's previous value of acceleration once the block is lifted by the electromagnet.  There's flaw #1.

Then, what do the wooden block and steel block represent?  Mountains on Earth, cities, continents?  If those suddenly moved, there would be great devastation.  Flaw #2.

I could be wrong, but I don't think it would in the inertial frame.

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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2019, 05:22:17 PM »
If you kick the wooden block the weight measurement would fluctuate as well.  But we're measuring the force of gravity not electromagetism or the strength of Bruce Lee's roundhouse.
You know, that doesn't really matter. This is what matters, as it's the reason your argument is void:
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Here's the important part, as the mere possibility of a "yes" response negates your argument: Is it possible to measure mass*acceleration on objects situated on a rigid platform in a state of constant upwards acceleration, and arrive at different values for acceleration for those objects? Absolutely.

In your scenario, the acceleration of the steel block changes and then returns to it's previous value of acceleration once the block is lifted by the electromagnet.  There's flaw #1.

Then, what do the wooden block and steel block represent?  Mountains on Earth, cities, continents?  If those suddenly moved, there would be great devastation.  Flaw #2.
It's not a flaw. First of all, despite what appears to be your assertion otherwise, the measured weight of the steel block remains less than the wooden one for the entire time the electromagnet is on, which can be arbitrary, and the elevator still doesn't break apart. Second, what I wrote above is a demonstration that you can get different measurements for the weight of objects, and accordingly (since they are the same mass), different measurements of acceleration at different locations on the surface of a solid object that is accelerating upwards constantly, without that object being torn apart. Which is precisely what you argued cannot be possible, otherwise the Earth would have broken into pieces. Turns out, it's not necessarily true, so you didn't prove anything. That's why you're not getting high-fives from anyone, RE or FE. It was a bad argument. As far as flaw #2, the main flaw here is you misapplying what I said to something else entirely and thinking it would be relevant.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2019, 05:28:05 PM »
If you kick the wooden block the weight measurement would fluctuate as well.  But we're measuring the force of gravity not electromagetism or the strength of Bruce Lee's roundhouse.
You know, that doesn't really matter. This is what matters, as it's the reason your argument is void:
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Here's the important part, as the mere possibility of a "yes" response negates your argument: Is it possible to measure mass*acceleration on objects situated on a rigid platform in a state of constant upwards acceleration, and arrive at different values for acceleration for those objects? Absolutely.

In your scenario, the acceleration of the steel block changes and then returns to it's previous value of acceleration once the block is lifted by the electromagnet.  There's flaw #1.

Then, what do the wooden block and steel block represent?  Mountains on Earth, cities, continents?  If those suddenly moved, there would be great devastation.  Flaw #2.
It's not a flaw. First of all, despite what appears to be your assertion otherwise, the measured weight of the steel block remains less than the wooden one for the entire time the electromagnet is on, which can be arbitrary, and the elevator still doesn't break apart. Second, what I wrote above is a demonstration that you can get different measurements for the weight of objects, and accordingly (since they are the same mass), different measurements of acceleration at different locations on the surface of a solid object that is accelerating upwards constantly, without that object being torn apart. Which is precisely what you argued cannot be possible, otherwise the Earth would have broken into pieces. Turns out, it's not necessarily true, so you didn't prove anything. That's why you're not getting high-fives from anyone, RE or FE. It was a bad argument. As far as flaw #2, the main flaw here is you misapplying what I said to something else entirely and thinking it would be relevant.

The electromaget would either lift the steel block or not change it's measured weight, depending on the distance from the object.

Besides, your scenario is artificially applying a force with a man-made device.  Last I checked, there's not a giant electromagnetic ring hovering just above the equator.


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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2019, 05:35:14 PM »
If you kick the wooden block the weight measurement would fluctuate as well.  But we're measuring the force of gravity not electromagetism or the strength of Bruce Lee's roundhouse.
You know, that doesn't really matter. This is what matters, as it's the reason your argument is void:
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Here's the important part, as the mere possibility of a "yes" response negates your argument: Is it possible to measure mass*acceleration on objects situated on a rigid platform in a state of constant upwards acceleration, and arrive at different values for acceleration for those objects? Absolutely.

In your scenario, the acceleration of the steel block changes and then returns to it's previous value of acceleration once the block is lifted by the electromagnet.  There's flaw #1.

Then, what do the wooden block and steel block represent?  Mountains on Earth, cities, continents?  If those suddenly moved, there would be great devastation.  Flaw #2.
It's not a flaw. First of all, despite what appears to be your assertion otherwise, the measured weight of the steel block remains less than the wooden one for the entire time the electromagnet is on, which can be arbitrary, and the elevator still doesn't break apart. Second, what I wrote above is a demonstration that you can get different measurements for the weight of objects, and accordingly (since they are the same mass), different measurements of acceleration at different locations on the surface of a solid object that is accelerating upwards constantly, without that object being torn apart. Which is precisely what you argued cannot be possible, otherwise the Earth would have broken into pieces. Turns out, it's not necessarily true, so you didn't prove anything. That's why you're not getting high-fives from anyone, RE or FE. It was a bad argument. As far as flaw #2, the main flaw here is you misapplying what I said to something else entirely and thinking it would be relevant.

The electromaget would either lift the steel block or not change it's measured weight, depending on the distance from the object.

Besides, your scenario is artificially applying a force with a man-made device.  Last I checked, there's not a giant electromagnetic ring hovering just above the equator.
The electromagnet doesn't have to lift the steel block. It can apply enough magnetic force to reduce the measured weight, and continue doing so for as long as it's on. If you don't believe that, go play with magnets. You'll see there is a lot of room in between "has no effect on" and "lifts off the ground."

My scenario demonstrates your assertion is false. Doesn't matter if it's artificial or not. It's possible that there could be measured differences in gravity across the surface of the Earth without it breaking into pieces.
Let me explain this in a way you can understand. What you just wrote sounds exactly like something that a gay rights Portuguese Samurai would write.

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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #69 on: July 22, 2019, 05:37:45 PM »
If you kick the wooden block the weight measurement would fluctuate as well.  But we're measuring the force of gravity not electromagetism or the strength of Bruce Lee's roundhouse.
You know, that doesn't really matter. This is what matters, as it's the reason your argument is void:
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Here's the important part, as the mere possibility of a "yes" response negates your argument: Is it possible to measure mass*acceleration on objects situated on a rigid platform in a state of constant upwards acceleration, and arrive at different values for acceleration for those objects? Absolutely.

In your scenario, the acceleration of the steel block changes and then returns to it's previous value of acceleration once the block is lifted by the electromagnet.  There's flaw #1.

Then, what do the wooden block and steel block represent?  Mountains on Earth, cities, continents?  If those suddenly moved, there would be great devastation.  Flaw #2.
It's not a flaw. First of all, despite what appears to be your assertion otherwise, the measured weight of the steel block remains less than the wooden one for the entire time the electromagnet is on, which can be arbitrary, and the elevator still doesn't break apart. Second, what I wrote above is a demonstration that you can get different measurements for the weight of objects, and accordingly (since they are the same mass), different measurements of acceleration at different locations on the surface of a solid object that is accelerating upwards constantly, without that object being torn apart. Which is precisely what you argued cannot be possible, otherwise the Earth would have broken into pieces. Turns out, it's not necessarily true, so you didn't prove anything. That's why you're not getting high-fives from anyone, RE or FE. It was a bad argument. As far as flaw #2, the main flaw here is you misapplying what I said to something else entirely and thinking it would be relevant.

The electromaget would either lift the steel block or not change it's measured weight, depending on the distance from the object.

Besides, your scenario is artificially applying a force with a man-made device.  Last I checked, there's not a giant electromagnetic ring hovering just above the equator.
The electromagnet doesn't have to lift the steel block. It can apply enough magnetic force to reduce the measured weight, and continue doing so for as long as it's on. If you don't believe that, go play with magnets. You'll see there is a lot of room in between "has no effect on" and "lifts off the ground."

My scenario demonstrates your assertion is false. Doesn't matter if it's artificial or not. It's possible that there could be measured differences in gravity across the surface of the Earth without it breaking into pieces.

You can artificially contaminate any experiment to get the results you want, but it's far from scientific. If you put your finger on a weight, you'll get a different measurement as well.  What's your point?

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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #70 on: July 22, 2019, 05:45:09 PM »
If you kick the wooden block the weight measurement would fluctuate as well.  But we're measuring the force of gravity not electromagetism or the strength of Bruce Lee's roundhouse.
You know, that doesn't really matter. This is what matters, as it's the reason your argument is void:
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Here's the important part, as the mere possibility of a "yes" response negates your argument: Is it possible to measure mass*acceleration on objects situated on a rigid platform in a state of constant upwards acceleration, and arrive at different values for acceleration for those objects? Absolutely.

In your scenario, the acceleration of the steel block changes and then returns to it's previous value of acceleration once the block is lifted by the electromagnet.  There's flaw #1.

Then, what do the wooden block and steel block represent?  Mountains on Earth, cities, continents?  If those suddenly moved, there would be great devastation.  Flaw #2.
It's not a flaw. First of all, despite what appears to be your assertion otherwise, the measured weight of the steel block remains less than the wooden one for the entire time the electromagnet is on, which can be arbitrary, and the elevator still doesn't break apart. Second, what I wrote above is a demonstration that you can get different measurements for the weight of objects, and accordingly (since they are the same mass), different measurements of acceleration at different locations on the surface of a solid object that is accelerating upwards constantly, without that object being torn apart. Which is precisely what you argued cannot be possible, otherwise the Earth would have broken into pieces. Turns out, it's not necessarily true, so you didn't prove anything. That's why you're not getting high-fives from anyone, RE or FE. It was a bad argument. As far as flaw #2, the main flaw here is you misapplying what I said to something else entirely and thinking it would be relevant.

The electromaget would either lift the steel block or not change it's measured weight, depending on the distance from the object.

Besides, your scenario is artificially applying a force with a man-made device.  Last I checked, there's not a giant electromagnetic ring hovering just above the equator.
The electromagnet doesn't have to lift the steel block. It can apply enough magnetic force to reduce the measured weight, and continue doing so for as long as it's on. If you don't believe that, go play with magnets. You'll see there is a lot of room in between "has no effect on" and "lifts off the ground."

My scenario demonstrates your assertion is false. Doesn't matter if it's artificial or not. It's possible that there could be measured differences in gravity across the surface of the Earth without it breaking into pieces.
You can artificially contaminate any experiment to get the results you want, but it's far from scientific. If you put your finger on a weight, you'll get a different measurement as well.  What's your point?


Also, the reason differing accelerations on Earth would tear it apart is because all objects at the equator experience a different acceleration.  The crust at the equator would move upward more slowly than the higher lattitudes over time due to having a weaker upward acceleration.  This would cause the out rim of the flat Earth and the center to move ahead of the equator creating a shape like a angel food cake pan.  The Earth would eventually tear into peices.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #71 on: July 22, 2019, 05:46:49 PM »
If you kick the wooden block the weight measurement would fluctuate as well.  But we're measuring the force of gravity not electromagetism or the strength of Bruce Lee's roundhouse.
You know, that doesn't really matter. This is what matters, as it's the reason your argument is void:
Quote
Here's the important part, as the mere possibility of a "yes" response negates your argument: Is it possible to measure mass*acceleration on objects situated on a rigid platform in a state of constant upwards acceleration, and arrive at different values for acceleration for those objects? Absolutely.

In your scenario, the acceleration of the steel block changes and then returns to it's previous value of acceleration once the block is lifted by the electromagnet.  There's flaw #1.

Then, what do the wooden block and steel block represent?  Mountains on Earth, cities, continents?  If those suddenly moved, there would be great devastation.  Flaw #2.
It's not a flaw. First of all, despite what appears to be your assertion otherwise, the measured weight of the steel block remains less than the wooden one for the entire time the electromagnet is on, which can be arbitrary, and the elevator still doesn't break apart. Second, what I wrote above is a demonstration that you can get different measurements for the weight of objects, and accordingly (since they are the same mass), different measurements of acceleration at different locations on the surface of a solid object that is accelerating upwards constantly, without that object being torn apart. Which is precisely what you argued cannot be possible, otherwise the Earth would have broken into pieces. Turns out, it's not necessarily true, so you didn't prove anything. That's why you're not getting high-fives from anyone, RE or FE. It was a bad argument. As far as flaw #2, the main flaw here is you misapplying what I said to something else entirely and thinking it would be relevant.

The electromaget would either lift the steel block or not change it's measured weight, depending on the distance from the object.

Besides, your scenario is artificially applying a force with a man-made device.  Last I checked, there's not a giant electromagnetic ring hovering just above the equator.
The electromagnet doesn't have to lift the steel block. It can apply enough magnetic force to reduce the measured weight, and continue doing so for as long as it's on. If you don't believe that, go play with magnets. You'll see there is a lot of room in between "has no effect on" and "lifts off the ground."

My scenario demonstrates your assertion is false. Doesn't matter if it's artificial or not. It's possible that there could be measured differences in gravity across the surface of the Earth without it breaking into pieces.

You can artificially contaminate any experiment to get the results you want, but it's far from scientific. If you put your finger on a weight, you'll get a different measurement as well.  What's your point?
Are you being intentionally obtuse? Weight is mass times acceleration due to gravity, or whatever force is preventing something from being in freefall. 2 1kg weights have the same mass. If they can both sit in an elevator on separate scales, and those scales measure a different weight, the "m" didn't change, meaning the "a" did. According to you, that means the elevator from the thought experiment should break into pieces, when it's pretty intuitive to understand that it would not, because there is another force at play. Which is exactly what someone who is a UA advocate would tell you is responsible for the variations in gravity across the surface of the Earth - another force in addition to the UA. This really isn't hard to understand.

Recall your OP:
On the FE, acceleration would have to be the same anywhere on Earth.  Earth cannot be flat because of this.

That argument doesn't hold up.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2019, 05:50:50 PM »
Are you being intentionally obtuse? Weight is mass times acceleration due to gravity, or whatever force is preventing something from being in freefall. 2 1kg weights have the same mass. If they can both sit in an elevator on separate scales, and those scales measure a different weight, the "m" didn't change, meaning the "a" did. According to you, that means the elevator from the thought experiment should break into pieces, when it's pretty intuitive to understand that it would not, because there is another force at play. Which is exactly what someone who is a UA advocate would tell you is responsible for the variations in gravity across the surface of the Earth - another force in addition to the UA. This really isn't hard to understand.

Recall your OP:
On the FE, acceleration would have to be the same anywhere on Earth.  Earth cannot be flat because of this.

That argument doesn't hold up.
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Your example doesn't work because it's on an elevator with man-made contamination.  The Earth is not an elevator.  My argument does hold up.

So, explain how this would work on a flat earth, rather than your man-altered electromangetic elevator.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2019, 06:02:06 PM »

Are you being intentionally obtuse? Weight is mass times acceleration due to gravity, or whatever force is preventing something from being in freefall. 2 1kg weights have the same mass. If they can both sit in an elevator on separate scales, and those scales measure a different weight, the "m" didn't change, meaning the "a" did. According to you, that means the elevator from the thought experiment should break into pieces, when it's pretty intuitive to understand that it would not, because there is another force at play. Which is exactly what someone who is a UA advocate would tell you is responsible for the variations in gravity across the surface of the Earth - another force in addition to the UA. This really isn't hard to understand.

Recall your OP:
On the FE, acceleration would have to be the same anywhere on Earth.  Earth cannot be flat because of this.

That argument doesn't hold up.

Your example only works on an elevator with man-made contamination.  The Earth is not an elevator.  My argument does hold up.

So, explain how this would work on a flat earth, rather than your man-altered electromangetic elevator.
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Let’s say I work at the airport Hilton, in the Flamingo lounge, specifically. We have a wedding to attend to, I’m a server. The bride and groom don’t have a ton of money to spend so they opted for the “Chard” package. Which means at the reception, everyone gets a ‘free’ glass of house chardonnay before the cash bar kicks in. I, as a server, have to load and lorry a tray of a dozen glasses of wine at shoulder height out to deliver to the guests. Each glass is filled at slightly varying levels. Meaning each has a different weight. So, in essence, my tray has a variance in weight distributed about the plane of the tray.
As part of the “Chard” package each of the wait staff, as a kind of entertainment, a parlor trick, if you will, when they swoop out to deliver the wine glasses to each table, they lower the tray almost to the floor. Then, in one deft motion, they accelerate their arm, thrusting the tray loaded with wine glasses filled with varying amounts into the air. At the very end of their extended arm motion they slow down and arc the tray back down where they hand out each glass with a semi-bow and a smile as they move around, in this case, table 15. It’s quite the spectacle and completely unexpected at a less than grand banquet hall. Though good for tips.

Now during that space where the tray was thrust upward and it came to rest at the extension of the servers arm there was constant acceleration. Within that constant acceleration there was no collapsing, crumbling of the tray as it was moving upward - It all moved as one mass, uniformly, regardless of the individual wine glasses and their variance in terms of individual weight. Distribution is obviously key, but we’re talking about minute variances. The serving tray does not break apart.

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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #74 on: July 22, 2019, 06:04:13 PM »

Are you being intentionally obtuse? Weight is mass times acceleration due to gravity, or whatever force is preventing something from being in freefall. 2 1kg weights have the same mass. If they can both sit in an elevator on separate scales, and those scales measure a different weight, the "m" didn't change, meaning the "a" did. According to you, that means the elevator from the thought experiment should break into pieces, when it's pretty intuitive to understand that it would not, because there is another force at play. Which is exactly what someone who is a UA advocate would tell you is responsible for the variations in gravity across the surface of the Earth - another force in addition to the UA. This really isn't hard to understand.

Recall your OP:
On the FE, acceleration would have to be the same anywhere on Earth.  Earth cannot be flat because of this.

That argument doesn't hold up.

Your example only works on an elevator with man-made contamination.  The Earth is not an elevator.  My argument does hold up.

So, explain how this would work on a flat earth, rather than your man-altered electromangetic elevator.

Let’s say I work at the airport Hilton, in the Flamingo lounge, specifically. We have a wedding to attend to, I’m a server. The bride and groom don’t have a ton of money to spend so they opted for the “Chard” package. Which means at the reception, everyone gets a ‘free’ glass of house chardonnay before the cash bar kicks in. I, as a server, have to load and lorry a tray of a dozen glasses of wine at shoulder height out to deliver to the guests. Each glass is filled at slightly varying levels. Meaning each has a different weight. So, in essence, my tray has a variance in weight distributed about the plane of the tray.
As part of the “Chard” package each of the wait staff, as a kind of entertainment, a parlor trick, if you will, when they swoop out to deliver the wine glasses to each table, they lower the tray almost to the floor. Then, in one deft motion, they accelerate their arm, thrusting the tray loaded with wine glasses filled with varying amounts into the air. At the very end of their extended arm motion they slow down and arc the tray back down where they hand out each glass with a semi-bow and a smile as they move around, in this case, table 15. It’s quite the spectacle and completely unexpected at a less than grand banquet hall. Though good for tips.

Now during that space where the tray was thrust upward and it came to rest at the extension of the servers arm there was constant acceleration. Within that constant acceleration there was no collapsing, crumbling of the tray as it was moving upward - It all moved as one mass, uniformly, regardless of the individual wine glasses and their variance in terms of individual weight. Distribution is obviously key, but we’re talking about minute variances. The serving tray does not break apart.
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This is hilarious.  Thank you, my point exactly.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2019, 06:11:57 PM »

Are you being intentionally obtuse? Weight is mass times acceleration due to gravity, or whatever force is preventing something from being in freefall. 2 1kg weights have the same mass. If they can both sit in an elevator on separate scales, and those scales measure a different weight, the "m" didn't change, meaning the "a" did. According to you, that means the elevator from the thought experiment should break into pieces, when it's pretty intuitive to understand that it would not, because there is another force at play. Which is exactly what someone who is a UA advocate would tell you is responsible for the variations in gravity across the surface of the Earth - another force in addition to the UA. This really isn't hard to understand.

Recall your OP:
On the FE, acceleration would have to be the same anywhere on Earth.  Earth cannot be flat because of this.

That argument doesn't hold up.

Your example only works on an elevator with man-made contamination.  The Earth is not an elevator.  My argument does hold up.

So, explain how this would work on a flat earth, rather than your man-altered electromangetic elevator.

Let’s say I work at the airport Hilton, in the Flamingo lounge, specifically. We have a wedding to attend to, I’m a server. The bride and groom don’t have a ton of money to spend so they opted for the “Chard” package. Which means at the reception, everyone gets a ‘free’ glass of house chardonnay before the cash bar kicks in. I, as a server, have to load and lorry a tray of a dozen glasses of wine at shoulder height out to deliver to the guests. Each glass is filled at slightly varying levels. Meaning each has a different weight. So, in essence, my tray has a variance in weight distributed about the plane of the tray.
As part of the “Chard” package each of the wait staff, as a kind of entertainment, a parlor trick, if you will, when they swoop out to deliver the wine glasses to each table, they lower the tray almost to the floor. Then, in one deft motion, they accelerate their arm, thrusting the tray loaded with wine glasses filled with varying amounts into the air. At the very end of their extended arm motion they slow down and arc the tray back down where they hand out each glass with a semi-bow and a smile as they move around, in this case, table 15. It’s quite the spectacle and completely unexpected at a less than grand banquet hall. Though good for tips.

Now during that space where the tray was thrust upward and it came to rest at the extension of the servers arm there was constant acceleration. Within that constant acceleration there was no collapsing, crumbling of the tray as it was moving upward - It all moved as one mass, uniformly, regardless of the individual wine glasses and their variance in terms of individual weight. Distribution is obviously key, but we’re talking about minute variances. The serving tray does not break apart.

This is hilarious.  Thank you, my point exactly.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #76 on: July 22, 2019, 06:18:04 PM »

Are you being intentionally obtuse? Weight is mass times acceleration due to gravity, or whatever force is preventing something from being in freefall. 2 1kg weights have the same mass. If they can both sit in an elevator on separate scales, and those scales measure a different weight, the "m" didn't change, meaning the "a" did. According to you, that means the elevator from the thought experiment should break into pieces, when it's pretty intuitive to understand that it would not, because there is another force at play. Which is exactly what someone who is a UA advocate would tell you is responsible for the variations in gravity across the surface of the Earth - another force in addition to the UA. This really isn't hard to understand.

Recall your OP:
On the FE, acceleration would have to be the same anywhere on Earth.  Earth cannot be flat because of this.

That argument doesn't hold up.

Your example only works on an elevator with man-made contamination.  The Earth is not an elevator.  My argument does hold up.

So, explain how this would work on a flat earth, rather than your man-altered electromangetic elevator.

Let’s say I work at the airport Hilton, in the Flamingo lounge, specifically. We have a wedding to attend to, I’m a server. The bride and groom don’t have a ton of money to spend so they opted for the “Chard” package. Which means at the reception, everyone gets a ‘free’ glass of house chardonnay before the cash bar kicks in. I, as a server, have to load and lorry a tray of a dozen glasses of wine at shoulder height out to deliver to the guests. Each glass is filled at slightly varying levels. Meaning each has a different weight. So, in essence, my tray has a variance in weight distributed about the plane of the tray.
As part of the “Chard” package each of the wait staff, as a kind of entertainment, a parlor trick, if you will, when they swoop out to deliver the wine glasses to each table, they lower the tray almost to the floor. Then, in one deft motion, they accelerate their arm, thrusting the tray loaded with wine glasses filled with varying amounts into the air. At the very end of their extended arm motion they slow down and arc the tray back down where they hand out each glass with a semi-bow and a smile as they move around, in this case, table 15. It’s quite the spectacle and completely unexpected at a less than grand banquet hall. Though good for tips.

Now during that space where the tray was thrust upward and it came to rest at the extension of the servers arm there was constant acceleration. Within that constant acceleration there was no collapsing, crumbling of the tray as it was moving upward - It all moved as one mass, uniformly, regardless of the individual wine glasses and their variance in terms of individual weight. Distribution is obviously key, but we’re talking about minute variances. The serving tray does not break apart.

This is hilarious.  Thank you, my point exactly.

Actually, it's Boydster's argument, or more to the point, my take on it.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #77 on: July 22, 2019, 06:26:42 PM »

Are you being intentionally obtuse? Weight is mass times acceleration due to gravity, or whatever force is preventing something from being in freefall. 2 1kg weights have the same mass. If they can both sit in an elevator on separate scales, and those scales measure a different weight, the "m" didn't change, meaning the "a" did. According to you, that means the elevator from the thought experiment should break into pieces, when it's pretty intuitive to understand that it would not, because there is another force at play. Which is exactly what someone who is a UA advocate would tell you is responsible for the variations in gravity across the surface of the Earth - another force in addition to the UA. This really isn't hard to understand.

Recall your OP:
On the FE, acceleration would have to be the same anywhere on Earth.  Earth cannot be flat because of this.

That argument doesn't hold up.

Your example only works on an elevator with man-made contamination.  The Earth is not an elevator.  My argument does hold up.

So, explain how this would work on a flat earth, rather than your man-altered electromangetic elevator.

Let’s say I work at the airport Hilton, in the Flamingo lounge, specifically. We have a wedding to attend to, I’m a server. The bride and groom don’t have a ton of money to spend so they opted for the “Chard” package. Which means at the reception, everyone gets a ‘free’ glass of house chardonnay before the cash bar kicks in. I, as a server, have to load and lorry a tray of a dozen glasses of wine at shoulder height out to deliver to the guests. Each glass is filled at slightly varying levels. Meaning each has a different weight. So, in essence, my tray has a variance in weight distributed about the plane of the tray.
As part of the “Chard” package each of the wait staff, as a kind of entertainment, a parlor trick, if you will, when they swoop out to deliver the wine glasses to each table, they lower the tray almost to the floor. Then, in one deft motion, they accelerate their arm, thrusting the tray loaded with wine glasses filled with varying amounts into the air. At the very end of their extended arm motion they slow down and arc the tray back down where they hand out each glass with a semi-bow and a smile as they move around, in this case, table 15. It’s quite the spectacle and completely unexpected at a less than grand banquet hall. Though good for tips.

Now during that space where the tray was thrust upward and it came to rest at the extension of the servers arm there was constant acceleration. Within that constant acceleration there was no collapsing, crumbling of the tray as it was moving upward - It all moved as one mass, uniformly, regardless of the individual wine glasses and their variance in terms of individual weight. Distribution is obviously key, but we’re talking about minute variances. The serving tray does not break apart.

This is hilarious.  Thank you, my point exactly.

Actually, it's Boydster's argument, or more to the point, my take on it.

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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #78 on: July 22, 2019, 07:54:34 PM »
That's because Gravimeters are Seismometers and the detection of gravity is indirect through interpretation of some subseismic signals. They know it. Now you know it as well.
No Tom.  Gravimeters and seismometers are specialized accelerometers.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2019, 02:19:39 AM »
In your scenario, the acceleration of the steel block changes and then returns to it's previous value of acceleration once the block is lifted by the electromagnet.  There's flaw #1.
No it doesn't.
The force of the electromagnet continues to act on it, changing the force the scale needs to provide.

If you would like a better example, consider the buoyant force (which as noted is too small to cause the variations observed).
Say you have 1 kg of osmium and 1 kg of feathers, both placed onto their own large weighing dishes.
Which scale reads the heavier weight? Which scale has the higher force?

Then, what do the wooden block and steel block represent?  Mountains on Earth, cities, continents?  If those suddenly moved, there would be great devastation.  Flaw #2.
No, they represent whatever you are trying to weigh.

So, explain how this would work on a flat earth, rather than your man-altered electromangetic elevator.
There are 2 main options, one is whatever magic is causing the highly selective universal acceleration, the other is additional factors.

The simple version of the magic accelerator is that Earth doesn't completely block it and thus it still acts on objects above Earth, but to a reduced extent.
As an example with numbers, consider the MA accelerating Earth at 10.00 m s-2.
Then in one region of Earth, enough of the MA seeps through to accelerate an object (object A) at 0.20 m s-2.
In another region, enough magic seeps through to accelerate object B at 0.18 m s-2.

Both objects are held 1 m above Earth and released.

What does this mean? Well ignoring the insignificant relativistic corrections for this time period, relative to Earth object A will appear to fall at a rate of 9.80 m s-2, while object B appears to fall at 9.82 m s-2.
This means object A will appear to hit the ground after roughly 0.451753951452626 s, and object B will hit the ground after roughly 0.451293682406524 s.

We can also look at it from an inertial reference frame which was moving with Earth when it all started (so velocity starts as 0).
So Earth starts at a position of 0, with a velocity of 0. The 2 objects start with a velocity of 0, but a position of 1.
After 0.451753951452626 s Earth will have moved approximately 1.02040816326531 m. Object A will have moved 0.02040816326531 m, bringing it to 1.02040816326531 m, matching up with Earth.
After 0.451293682406524 s Earth will have moved something like 1.01832993890020 m, while object B will have moved 0.01832993890020 m, bringing it to 1.01832993890020 m and thus matching up with Earth.

So the magic seeping through Earth will result in the objects having a different rate of acceleration relative to Earth.

However, Earth still wouldn't be flat. If these variations are constant (or don't change fast enough), hydro-static pressure will deform Earth into a non-flat shape, but wont tear it apart.

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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #80 on: July 23, 2019, 09:31:39 AM »
In your scenario, the acceleration of the steel block changes and then returns to it's previous value of acceleration once the block is lifted by the electromagnet.  There's flaw #1.
No it doesn't.
The force of the electromagnet continues to act on it, changing the force the scale needs to provide.

If you would like a better example, consider the buoyant force (which as noted is too small to cause the variations observed).
Say you have 1 kg of osmium and 1 kg of feathers, both placed onto their own large weighing dishes.
Which scale reads the heavier weight? Which scale has the higher force?

Then, what do the wooden block and steel block represent?  Mountains on Earth, cities, continents?  If those suddenly moved, there would be great devastation.  Flaw #2.
No, they represent whatever you are trying to weigh.

So, explain how this would work on a flat earth, rather than your man-altered electromangetic elevator.
There are 2 main options, one is whatever magic is causing the highly selective universal acceleration, the other is additional factors.

The simple version of the magic accelerator is that Earth doesn't completely block it and thus it still acts on objects above Earth, but to a reduced extent.
As an example with numbers, consider the MA accelerating Earth at 10.00 m s-2.
Then in one region of Earth, enough of the MA seeps through to accelerate an object (object A) at 0.20 m s-2.
In another region, enough magic seeps through to accelerate object B at 0.18 m s-2.

Both objects are held 1 m above Earth and released.

What does this mean? Well ignoring the insignificant relativistic corrections for this time period, relative to Earth object A will appear to fall at a rate of 9.80 m s-2, while object B appears to fall at 9.82 m s-2.
This means object A will appear to hit the ground after roughly 0.451753951452626 s, and object B will hit the ground after roughly 0.451293682406524 s.

We can also look at it from an inertial reference frame which was moving with Earth when it all started (so velocity starts as 0).
So Earth starts at a position of 0, with a velocity of 0. The 2 objects start with a velocity of 0, but a position of 1.
After 0.451753951452626 s Earth will have moved approximately 1.02040816326531 m. Object A will have moved 0.02040816326531 m, bringing it to 1.02040816326531 m, matching up with Earth.
After 0.451293682406524 s Earth will have moved something like 1.01832993890020 m, while object B will have moved 0.01832993890020 m, bringing it to 1.01832993890020 m and thus matching up with Earth.

So the magic seeping through Earth will result in the objects having a different rate of acceleration relative to Earth.

However, Earth still wouldn't be flat. If these variations are constant (or don't change fast enough), hydro-static pressure will deform Earth into a non-flat shape, but wont tear it apart.

Okay, if you assume there is a magic bouyant force making things lighter over the equator and at higher altitudes, it's just that...magic.  I'd like to hear an explanation involving something other than magic.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #81 on: July 23, 2019, 10:09:12 AM »
In your scenario, the acceleration of the steel block changes and then returns to it's previous value of acceleration once the block is lifted by the electromagnet.  There's flaw #1.
No it doesn't.
The force of the electromagnet continues to act on it, changing the force the scale needs to provide.

If you would like a better example, consider the buoyant force (which as noted is too small to cause the variations observed).
Say you have 1 kg of osmium and 1 kg of feathers, both placed onto their own large weighing dishes.
Which scale reads the heavier weight? Which scale has the higher force?

Then, what do the wooden block and steel block represent?  Mountains on Earth, cities, continents?  If those suddenly moved, there would be great devastation.  Flaw #2.
No, they represent whatever you are trying to weigh.

So, explain how this would work on a flat earth, rather than your man-altered electromangetic elevator.
There are 2 main options, one is whatever magic is causing the highly selective universal acceleration, the other is additional factors.

The simple version of the magic accelerator is that Earth doesn't completely block it and thus it still acts on objects above Earth, but to a reduced extent.
As an example with numbers, consider the MA accelerating Earth at 10.00 m s-2.
Then in one region of Earth, enough of the MA seeps through to accelerate an object (object A) at 0.20 m s-2.
In another region, enough magic seeps through to accelerate object B at 0.18 m s-2.

Both objects are held 1 m above Earth and released.

What does this mean? Well ignoring the insignificant relativistic corrections for this time period, relative to Earth object A will appear to fall at a rate of 9.80 m s-2, while object B appears to fall at 9.82 m s-2.
This means object A will appear to hit the ground after roughly 0.451753951452626 s, and object B will hit the ground after roughly 0.451293682406524 s.

We can also look at it from an inertial reference frame which was moving with Earth when it all started (so velocity starts as 0).
So Earth starts at a position of 0, with a velocity of 0. The 2 objects start with a velocity of 0, but a position of 1.
After 0.451753951452626 s Earth will have moved approximately 1.02040816326531 m. Object A will have moved 0.02040816326531 m, bringing it to 1.02040816326531 m, matching up with Earth.
After 0.451293682406524 s Earth will have moved something like 1.01832993890020 m, while object B will have moved 0.01832993890020 m, bringing it to 1.01832993890020 m and thus matching up with Earth.

So the magic seeping through Earth will result in the objects having a different rate of acceleration relative to Earth.

However, Earth still wouldn't be flat. If these variations are constant (or don't change fast enough), hydro-static pressure will deform Earth into a non-flat shape, but wont tear it apart.

Okay, if you assume there is a magic bouyant force making things lighter over the equator and at higher altitudes, it's just that...magic.  I'd like to hear an explanation involving something other than magic.
Replace "magic" with "as-yet undermined mechanism" and it's not only no longer being insulting and condescending, but it's also admitting that it's entirely possible to not know everything.

If all you are here to do is be an asshole, you'll find the lower boards more forgiving. If you want to actually have a conversation, I would encourage you to reflect on the fact that you are the one who started off with the very poorly constructed argument and UA has yet to be refuted by literally anything you have had to say.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #82 on: July 23, 2019, 12:12:28 PM »
In your scenario, the acceleration of the steel block changes and then returns to it's previous value of acceleration once the block is lifted by the electromagnet.  There's flaw #1.
No it doesn't.
The force of the electromagnet continues to act on it, changing the force the scale needs to provide.

If you would like a better example, consider the buoyant force (which as noted is too small to cause the variations observed).
Say you have 1 kg of osmium and 1 kg of feathers, both placed onto their own large weighing dishes.
Which scale reads the heavier weight? Which scale has the higher force?

Then, what do the wooden block and steel block represent?  Mountains on Earth, cities, continents?  If those suddenly moved, there would be great devastation.  Flaw #2.
No, they represent whatever you are trying to weigh.

So, explain how this would work on a flat earth, rather than your man-altered electromangetic elevator.
There are 2 main options, one is whatever magic is causing the highly selective universal acceleration, the other is additional factors.

The simple version of the magic accelerator is that Earth doesn't completely block it and thus it still acts on objects above Earth, but to a reduced extent.
As an example with numbers, consider the MA accelerating Earth at 10.00 m s-2.
Then in one region of Earth, enough of the MA seeps through to accelerate an object (object A) at 0.20 m s-2.
In another region, enough magic seeps through to accelerate object B at 0.18 m s-2.

Both objects are held 1 m above Earth and released.

What does this mean? Well ignoring the insignificant relativistic corrections for this time period, relative to Earth object A will appear to fall at a rate of 9.80 m s-2, while object B appears to fall at 9.82 m s-2.
This means object A will appear to hit the ground after roughly 0.451753951452626 s, and object B will hit the ground after roughly 0.451293682406524 s.

We can also look at it from an inertial reference frame which was moving with Earth when it all started (so velocity starts as 0).
So Earth starts at a position of 0, with a velocity of 0. The 2 objects start with a velocity of 0, but a position of 1.
After 0.451753951452626 s Earth will have moved approximately 1.02040816326531 m. Object A will have moved 0.02040816326531 m, bringing it to 1.02040816326531 m, matching up with Earth.
After 0.451293682406524 s Earth will have moved something like 1.01832993890020 m, while object B will have moved 0.01832993890020 m, bringing it to 1.01832993890020 m and thus matching up with Earth.

So the magic seeping through Earth will result in the objects having a different rate of acceleration relative to Earth.

However, Earth still wouldn't be flat. If these variations are constant (or don't change fast enough), hydro-static pressure will deform Earth into a non-flat shape, but wont tear it apart.

Okay, if you assume there is a magic bouyant force making things lighter over the equator and at higher altitudes, it's just that...magic.  I'd like to hear an explanation involving something other than magic.
Replace "magic" with "as-yet undermined mechanism" and it's not only no longer being insulting and condescending, but it's also admitting that it's entirely possible to not know everything.

If all you are here to do is be an asshole, you'll find the lower boards more forgiving. If you want to actually have a conversation, I would encourage you to reflect on the fact that you are the one who started off with the very poorly constructed argument and UA has yet to be refuted by literally anything you have had to say.

You're hilarious.  I point out that there's nothing observed or measured that supports your theory of a force that magically lifts objects, yet you take it as a personal attack.  You have no explanation of this missing magical force.  Your force also applies only to metal objects.  The gnome in the FE thoery section was not metal.  People lifting weights to alter the measurement is not a FE, it's a contaminated experiment.  You and the Flat Earth Society have shown a failure to account for this.  You have hurled much more insulting attacks, along with your FE counterparts.  It shows you've lost your cool.  You've lost the argument.  Just abandon your 9th century England mentality and join the 21st century.

May it be known, I have not violated any forum rules, and if Boydster removes me, it's proof that I win, because he can't take it.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #83 on: July 23, 2019, 01:49:42 PM »
It's not on me to explain any missing force. Again, refer back to your OP. You did not prove UA invalid like you said you did. And then you got upset because another RE was trying to explain to you that your argument fell flat, instead of supporting you. I'm trying to help you see why you aren't getting the atta-boy that you apparently wanted, and you just want to argue instead of taking a moment to understand where your logic broke down.
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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #84 on: July 23, 2019, 01:52:04 PM »
I should add here, I'm not even an advocate for UA. But I'm not going to sit here and pretend you successfully refuted it. You haven't.
Let me explain this in a way you can understand. What you just wrote sounds exactly like something that a gay rights Portuguese Samurai would write.

Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #85 on: July 23, 2019, 01:52:14 PM »
Why do an ill conceived thought experiment when you could carry out a series of the real things? Finding out the truth if you really wanted to is not that difficult. If flat earthers really cared about the truth about the variability of gravity, for example, they could simply crowd fund the purchase of a gravimetric device and carry out some of their own experiments. While they were at it they could also solve the satellite question by purchasing a telescope and loading a satellite tracking app and check it out. To really nail the truth they could have one member in the northern hemisphere and another in the southern check out the sky at the full moon, each take a date stamped image of the moon and post them.
Doing these three fairly simple experiments might answer a few questions rather than indulging in a lot of pointless discussions.
I get the feeling there might be a bit reluctance as knowing the truth might be a bit difficult for some to swallow.

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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #86 on: July 23, 2019, 02:00:18 PM »
It's not on me to explain any missing force. Again, refer back to your OP. You did not prove UA invalid like you said you did. And then you got upset because another RE was trying to explain to you that your argument fell flat, instead of supporting you. I'm trying to help you see why you aren't getting the atta-boy that you apparently wanted, and you just want to argue instead of taking a moment to understand where your logic broke down.

Of course you have to support your missing force.  It's up to me to support round Earth theory, which explains perfectly how gravity is weaker at the equator due to centrifugal force and weaker with higher altitudes according to the inverse square law.  It's been observed countless times.  The Flat Earth model does not account for these tendencies.  If you have to invent a unseen force to make it work, then the model fails. 

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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #87 on: July 23, 2019, 02:08:09 PM »
.....let’s be clear there is no published scientific data for UA. All that’s referred to by some FE proponents is a link to their own wiki which hardly constitutes evidence. The whole point of UA for some flat earthers was to find a gravity alternative. Why? because they don’t like it as it messes with their world view and their desire to believe in a flat earth.
On the other hand there are mountains of data that show gravity is variable over the surface of the globe, it’s pretty pointless to dispute it when it’s so easy to verify......same for satellites and a bunch of other stuff.

Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #88 on: July 23, 2019, 02:27:48 PM »
Okay, if you assume there is a magic bouyant force making things lighter over the equator and at higher altitudes, it's just that...magic.  I'd like to hear an explanation involving something other than magic.
Well if we are discussing the highly selective universal accelerator then we are already dealing with magic.

Boydster and others would prefer to call it some unknown cause, but I will keep calling it magic.

Saying they have no explanation for this is rather pointless as they have no explanation for UA in the first place. So if you want to go down that path you should start with asking what is causing Earth to accelerate upwards in the first place.

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Re: Acceleration is not constant on Earth
« Reply #89 on: July 23, 2019, 02:29:50 PM »
So, to bring this around, Boydster does not believe the Earth is continuously accelerating upwards.  The FE society wiki seems to think otherwise.

The FE society shows a diagram of the gnome experiment where higher lattitudes measured higher weights, consistent with centrifugal force of a rotating globe.

The youtube weight experiment I posted earlier shows the weight of air already factored into the scale, so we only see the weight of the cyclinder being measured.

Then, the Voltaire experiment is referenced, showing how they figured out the Earth is fatter at the equator, consistent with a rotating globe Earth. 

Looks like the FE wiki supports a round Earth.  Good job.
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