Biological Transmutation

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Biological Transmutation
« on: July 18, 2019, 05:15:13 PM »
The above is a title of a book written by Louis Kervran which examines the idea of transmutation of elements in living ..."systems"?  I've read some of it and the simple idea i've come away with (and there's others) is that Nitrogen as a diatomic molecule combines to make calcium, which commonly converts to silicon.  I may be wrong but each succeeding  atomic weight is double, like : N2 > Ca, 2Ca > Si. I'm thinking this provides a lot of energy for force fields allowing for all types of other explanation like how clouds stay in the air and other interesting anomalies.

Just thought i'd post some info on this, as it could dramatically alter our understanding of the way things work. This is one of the ideas that allows me to think about how the flat earth is possible, as our current science is misiing some big pieces. But i acknowledge there are probably lots of reasons for the current paradigm, not just conspiracy.  Not to mention alhemy is some times painted with darker tones, for reasons i know little about. I do believe in Cold fusion though and this (biological transmutation) is like LENR(low energy nuclear reactions - a newer term for coldfusion and related phenomenon).


A gardenertalking briefy about Louis Kervran theory that micro organsims, plants, and even animals can change elements into other elements with the example K(39 protons) + H(1 proton) = Ca(40 protons) defying known laws. He refers to the above noted book for examples and reports that the military supposedly confirmed some of this.

Talks about LENR. Reports on experiments using bacteria to accelerate the decay rate of cesium, several of louis kervrans early examples(100yrs ago): calcium production in chickens to create eggshells and different chemical composition of seeds and germinated plants sprouted in ionized water. And a clear cut modern example of russian experiment turning Manganese into Iron with bacteria.

Naturalist reccomending eating horsetails for dietary silicon which converts to calcium in the body, references some studies, a list of scientists to research.
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Re: Biological Transmutation theory
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2019, 05:20:18 PM »
The above is a title of a book written by Louis Kervran which examines the idea of transmutation of elements in living ..."systems"?  I've read some of it and the simple idea i've come away with (and there's others) is that Nitrogen as a diatomic molecule combines to make calcium, which commonly converts to silicon.  I may be wrong but each succeeding  atomic weight is double, like : N2 > Ca, 2Ca > Si. I'm thinking this provides a lot of energy for force fields allowing for all types of other explanation like how clouds stay in the air and other interesting anomalies.

Just thought i'd post some info on this, as it could dramatically alter our understanding of the way things work. This is one of the ideas that allows me to think about how the flat earth is possible, as our current science is misiing some big pieces. But i acknowledge there are probably lots of reasons for the current paradigm, not just conspiracy.  Not to mention alhemy is some times painted with darker tones, for reasons i know little about. I do believe in Cold fusion though and this is like LENR(low energy nuclear reactions). What do others think about this?




No, just no. Nitrogen does not make calcium. Neither does any of the other one you listed.
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Re: Biological Transmutation
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2019, 06:05:19 PM »
Why? have you looked at this evidence?
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Re: Biological Transmutation
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2019, 07:17:10 PM »
No evidence was presented.

Element are set by the number of protons. So to make new elements from fusion you add the protons. So using your example if you fuse nitrogen together you would get silicon, not calcium.

Fusion also requires very high energy to start. A plant doesn't have a way to get enough energy to start it.
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Re: Biological Transmutation
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2019, 09:40:47 PM »
The above is a title of a book written by Louis Kervran which examines the idea of transmutation of elements in living ..."systems"?  I've read some of it and the simple idea i've come away with (and there's others) is that Nitrogen as a diatomic molecule combines to make calcium, which commonly converts to silicon.  I may be wrong but each succeeding  atomic weight is double, like : N2 > Ca, 2Ca > Si. I'm thinking this provides a lot of energy for force fields allowing for all types of other explanation like how clouds stay in the air and other interesting anomalies.

Just thought i'd post some info on this, as it could dramatically alter our understanding of the way things work. This is one of the ideas that allows me to think about how the flat earth is possible, as our current science is misiing some big pieces. But i acknowledge there are probably lots of reasons for the current paradigm, not just conspiracy.  Not to mention alhemy is some times painted with darker tones, for reasons i know little about. I do believe in Cold fusion though and this (biological transmutation) is like LENR(low energy nuclear reactions - a newer term for coldfusion and related phenomenon).




  Element     Electrons     Protons   Neutrons

  Hydrogen:         1                    1              0
Potassium:       19                  19            21
          Total:        20                  20            21

     Calcium:       20                  20             20

What happened to the spare neutron?

I'll let our resident nuclear physicist look at the rest.

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Re: Biological Transmutation
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2019, 05:26:42 AM »
If you were to somehow create a fusion reaction between 2 nitrogen atoms, not only would you NOT end up with Calcium, you'd also probably not even end up with Silicon. There's a lot of energy generated in a fusion reaction, and using Hydrogen as an example, a quick Google search confirms 4 hydrogen nuclei (so, just naked protons) and 2 electrons are required, and you end up not with Beryllium but with Helium, 2 neutrinos, and six photons. Point being, you can't just add the protons together and assume you are going to have that many protons left in a new element afterwards.

And that's to say nothing about the massive amount of energy required to even make an attempt at fusing Nitrogen.

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Re: Biological Transmutation
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2019, 05:42:31 AM »
I can't watch your videos, so I can't do a detailed analysis right now. If I can review in this evening or weekend I can make detailed comments. what I can say at this point is that this is exciting research. technically reducing or increasing protons, neutrons and electrons is not as easy as it seems in mathematics. for this, the atomic structure must be disrupted. then I did not understand how it would be possible to reconstruct the atomic structure. neutron does not have any charge. How can it reunite with another proton from the moment it leaves the proton? Maybe I should investigate this first.


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Re: Biological Transmutation
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2019, 03:06:42 PM »
 I got it a bit backwards : C + O = 2N, N + N = Si
This is involved in protein and carbohydrate action in the human body, he says. And also silicon creation in plants.
I know what everyone is thinking "energy levels", nuclear reaction are big, like atom bombs. Consider "resonance, harmonics", thats the way i see all this as possible. That may sound stupid, but it must be, allowing the extra particles to just gravitate in or out of the mix. But have you guys looked into LENR? Coldfusion is labeled a modern day black sheep/quackery. The MIT representatives were having "The death of cold fusion" party before the figures were in, litterally from what i understand. (after it stormed the media)
Anyway, that's where i'm at with it, feel free to try to point me in the right direction.
Here's a quote from "Biological Trasnmutation"

"Industrial Oxy-carbonaemia

From 1935 to 1939, I had noted many instances where workers
doing blowtorch welding were poisoned, some fatally. Though oxy-
carbonism was the acknowledged cause, all analyses revealed the
absence of CO in the air inhaled by the victims.
Reviews in the literature of industrial medicine indicated grow-
ing alarm over a serious but puzzling situation. In France, more than
ten investigators were busy with this enigma while there was com-
parable activity in other countries.
Looper, in 1936, published a study of Endogenic Oxycarbonism;
in 1938, he collaborated with others on Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
in Certain Professions; in 1939, Oxy-carbonaemia Ignored appeared.
There was no doubt, according to numerous publications, that in
some professions there was CO poisoning of endogenic origin. The
mechanism went unexplained although all samplings agreed with
complete certainty that no CO was present in the inhaled air.
In 1939, Kienitz in Germany did systemic research in a con-
fined atmosphere using a strong blowtorch for welding in a room
ten meters square. There was no CO present. The German chemical
industry, demanding a solution, financed further research by Rimar-
ski and Konschal. A room one hundred meters square with built-in
measuring devices was constructed in a shipyard. Work that gener-
ally caused oxy-carbonaemia was done there including blowtorch
welding, blowtorch heating of plates to be drilled, and oxy-cutting;
yet, CO was never present in the air!
In 1946, research was conducted in England by Adley, who ex-
amined conditions during the heating of plates in the hangar of an
aircraft carrier. Again no CO. In 1959, CECA (Carbon Steel Corpo-
ration of Europe) ordered tests on ovens used for heat treatment in
the steel industry. When the same negative results occurred, medical
doctors urged a program of blood analysis claiming that the methods used by chemists were inadequate for CO detection!
In France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and elsewhere, reports of
similar cases continued to appear with disquieting regularity. Studies
from a single district done in Paris were recorded from 1955 to 1959.
Although accumulated evidence indicated that all researchers
were dealing with a contradictory situation, in actuality, there were
the following consistencies:
1.     When a worker breathed air that had been in contact with
an incandescent metallic surface, an endogenic production
of carbon monoxide resulted.
2.     If the worker stood a few yards away from the metal
working area, oxy-carbonaemia was absent.
3.     Although innumerable samplings were made immediately
under the noses of workingmen, CO was never found in
the air that they inhaled.
Air is nitrogen and oxygen. Carbon monoxide is carbon and
oxygen. It is a new combination produced within the hemoglobin at
the lung level where the nitrogen from the air changes to carbon. It
became clear that nitrogen activated by incandescent metal changed
to carbon.
This is substantiated by comparing the metabolism of nitrogen
in animals and plants. Free nitrogen does not exist in atomic form—
it can only be found as the molecule N 2 . In this case, two-nitrogen
nuclei no longer retain their separate identities. They each contribute
the seven electrons they possess and are then surrounded, as one
unit, by the total—fourteen. The atoms are not merely alongside of
one another—they have fused.
Atomic arithmetic permits us to write:
N 2 → 12 C + 16 O
14
(A nitrogen molecule N 2 with both atoms being the isotope 14 N
turns into the isotope 12 C of carbon and an isotope 16 O of oxygen).
This is why we see the element carbon appear. I cannot go into the many considerations that brought me to the above identity. I mention only that nitrogen presents many anoma-
lies at the atomic level:
1.     There are few stable elements with an uneven number of
protons and neutrons (nitrogen has seven of each). This is
why nitrogen is found in the form N 2 only.
2.     The linking energy between nucleons of nitrogen is less
than that of its surrounding elements C and O.
3.     It is exactly at half distance between C and O.
It must also be mentioned that chemically speaking both N 2 and
CO have the same atomic mass and density. Differences of mass
show only at the fourth decimal (solely used, originally, to express
the exact masses of isotopes).

"Glimpse of the Structure of the Nitrogen Nucleus

The above caused me to conceive of the nitrogen nucleus (N 2 )
as the agglomeration of a carbon and an oxygen nucleus feebly po-
sitioned side by side. Schematically, it can be said that the carbon
nucleus is composed of four helions. (The helion or alpha particle is
the smallest natural bit of matter emitted during radioactivity). This
union can only be separated into two unequal parts, the one of three
helions and the other of four helions: 12 C and 16 O. The difficulty in
finding atomic nitrogen then may be traced to the difficulty (or near
impossibility) of separating C + O nuclei into equal parts.
Although I cannot insist on my configuration of these nuclei,
results do count, and, so far, it has been impossible to prove this rep-
resentation false. Furthermore, when 12 C + 16 O is considered as 14 N 2
rule of atomic physics, there is a gain (when figured to the sixth deci-
mal). For reasons too extensive to be elaborated in this summary, the
laws of modification of masses as formulated by nuclear physics do
not apply here. These laws are based on an average in a nucleus mis-
takenly supposed to be homogenous and are too simplistic for biol-
ogy. (Specialists in nuclear physics recognize that accepted theories are not irrevocably applicable to the behavior of elements with an atomic number under thirty.)"

"Nitrogen and Silicon as Isomers

It is not simply a trick of writing that has brought me to the con-
clusion that nitrogen and silicon are merely two different volumes of
a single nuclear arrangement:
N 2 → 28 Si
14
In biology, there are numerous reasons to believe that nature can
form silicon from nitrogen. For instance:
1.     Silica in the stalks of cereals
2.     Banks of silica expelled by diatomea that clog rivers and
lakes
These deposits cannot be the result, solely, of the concentration
of a few elements but require the withdrawal of N 2 from the air to
make Si."
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Re: Biological Transmutation
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2019, 03:19:13 PM »
Still no. Science doesn’t work as presented. 
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Re: Biological Transmutation
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2019, 04:50:01 PM »
As a chemist,i suspect you have heard of this before. What about the seed vs sprout chemical composition differences (with all chem. imputs accounted for), and  the modern LENR reports ?
 I don't mean to redirect but i don't know all the in and outs of this obviously, i find it fascinating. I'm pretty sure living organisms are connected to much larger energy fields outside of their bodies.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2019, 05:07:35 PM by faded mike »
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Re: Biological Transmutation
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2019, 04:54:13 PM »
I can't watch your videos, so I can't do a detailed analysis right now. If I can review in this evening or weekend I can make detailed comments. what I can say at this point is that this is exciting research. technically reducing or increasing protons, neutrons and electrons is not as easy as it seems in mathematics. for this, the atomic structure must be disrupted. then I did not understand how it would be possible to reconstruct the atomic structure. neutron does not have any charge. How can it reunite with another proton from the moment it leaves the proton? Maybe I should investigate this first.
Hers a brief description:
1) A gardenertalking briefy about Louis Kervran theory that micro organsims, plants, and even animals can change elements into other elements with the example K(39 protons) + H(1 proton) = Ca(40 protons) defying known laws. He refers to the above noted book for examples and reports that the military supposedly confirmed some of this.

2) Talks about LENR. Reports on experiments using bacteria to accelerate the decay rate of cesium, several of louis kervrans early examples(100yrs ago): calcium production in chickens to create eggshells and different chemical composition of seeds and germinated plants sprouted in ionized water. And a clear cut modern example of russian experiment turning Manganese into Iron with bacteria.

3) Naturalist reccomending eating horsetails for dietary silicon which converts to calcium in the body, references some scientists, a list of sicentists to research.
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Re: Biological Transmutation
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2019, 06:48:30 PM »
I try to avoid junk science.

Different chemical composition is expected in a plant. Plants are great at making chemicals. Making chemicals has nothing to do with fission or fusion.
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Re: Biological Transmutation
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2019, 11:41:38 PM »
It sounds like someone is making claims without a closed system. (ie. Saying plants make calcium without ensuring no calcium can get through the roots first)
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