Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)

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Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« on: July 18, 2019, 05:52:19 AM »
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2019, 05:56:17 AM »
Solar time zones ain't exist. Unless the watches are set up with changing speeds over time all the time.  ;D
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2019, 06:14:19 AM »
Your video contained zero evidence. Do you have any?
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2019, 06:34:31 AM »
Solar time zones ain't exist. Unless the watches are set up with changing speeds over time all the time.  ;D

You've never had a video call with someone on a different continent and it's night time there while it's day time for you?
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2019, 02:24:07 PM »
No, they do exist.
I can attest to that from first hand experience travelling over seas and needing to change my watch/phone over, as well noticing the sun is up at a completely different time.

I can also attest to it with skype calls to people over seas, and with computers needing time zones to accurately tell the time.

Solar time zones ain't exist. Unless the watches are set up with changing speeds over time all the time.  ;D
No, solar time does exit.
The fact that watches don't follow it exactly is irrelevant.

A time zone for a region will roughly match solar time. But so there aren't billions of different time zones, it will not match perfectly.
It wont drift to follow the sun over the course of the year other than as an adjustment for daylight savings time, which doesn't even follow solar noon.
It wont vary as you move each meter east or west either.

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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2019, 04:53:34 PM »
Enjoy the video  8)


I don't know about the rest of the earth, but time zones certainly do exist  on our many trips in the USA from Dallas to Los Angeles by car on the highways.

When you go west from Texas to California :
You set your clocks and watches back 1 hour. when you cross from Texas into New Mexico and go from Central Daylight  Time Zone to Mountain Daylight Time Zone.
Arizona stays on Mountain Standard Time the entire year,  so you change to Mountain Standard Time when you cross from New Mexico to Arizona part of the year.
Arizona is on Mountain Standard Time Zone  and California is on Pacific Daylight Time Zone part of the year so you don't reset your watches and clocks part of the year.
Otherwise you set your watches and clocks back 1 hour when you cross from Arizona to California from Mountain Standard Time to Pacific Standard Time.
That might seem a bit complicated and confusing to an outsider but that's how it works.
I don't know if you are just joking......
But time zones DO exist.😁
How many time zones  are there in your country ?

Just some trivia on time zones.:
The old Concorde SST airplanes went so fast you got to New York before you left Paris according the local times in New York and Paris when going west.

Back in the old days of transatlantic steamships , in particular the Titanic, clocks were set ahead or back so many minutes according to how many miles you were in that time zone each night  rather than just setting them ahead or back 1 hour when you go from one time zone to another. This has caused a lot of confusion to the Titanic Historians.

For example if you were going west and passed through half of a time zone the ship's clocks would be set back 30 minutes instead of 1 hour. This setting of the clocks was usually done at midnight. Of course GMT (Greenwch Mean Time) as it was called in Titanic's time is now called UTC ( Universal Time Coordinated ) remains the same wherever you are in the world. You just convert this to local time by the difference in hours such as UTC + 2 or UTC  - 2 for example for your time zone.

You can check your time in your time zone  and compare it with the times in other time zones time on www time gov .

It might be interesting to compare local times of all the users on line on this forum of those in different parts of the world.
At UTC or GMT of 01:08 AM or 01:08 hours  just after midnight on the morning of Friday, July 19, 2018 in London, England, UK
Here in Irving, Texas, USA it is 8:08 PM or 20:08 hours Central Daylight Savings Time (CDST) on the evening of  Thursday, July 18, 2019
Any others ?
« Last Edit: July 19, 2019, 07:54:17 PM by Googleotomy »
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2019, 07:29:20 PM »
Time zones are a construct of man. Therefore, they have the same existence as the gallon, the light-year, the border between France and Spain and the month of September.
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2019, 12:35:41 PM »
Time zones are a construct of man. Therefore, they have the same existence as the gallon, the light-year, the border between France and Spain and the month of September.

it is really very simple. :
The earth makes 1 revolution the sun of every day on the Global Earth.
The sun would make 1 revolution of the earth of every day  on a Flat Earth
There are 24 hours in a day.
There are 24 time zones, each an hours difference in time.
The Earth's circumference at the equator is about 25,000 miles.
The 360 degrees of the circumference divided by the 24 time zones equals about 15 degrees per time zone.
Each time zone is about 1,000 miles wide.
Everyone within a time zone sets their clocks to the same Standard Time for that time zone.
For example : A  person in Atlanta, Georgia might be talking on the telephone to a person in Odessa, Texas, close to 1,000 miles apart.
But their clocks would both be set to the same Central Standard Time although the actual solar time would be different in Atlanta and Odessa.
Before Standard Time Zones came into use,  for  example, each railway station across the country would set their clocks to local solar time  but now they set their clocks to the same Standard  Time for the time zone where they are located . There were reports that there was some confusion to travelers when each station would have a different solar  time even if there was not too much difference in miles between the stations. If you were keeping time by setting your watch to the local station's time on a cross country trip you might have to reset your watch each time you were at a different station only a few miles apart before Standard Time Zones came into use.

Time zones do exist and there is nothing about them in " the global time system " that is " messed up ".
They work in the real world.
There are many Time Zone Maps ; For the entire Global Earth and detailed maps  for different countries .

How would  a Time Zone Map look for a Flat Earth ?


Correction:
Atlanta is in the Eastern Time Zone.
A better example would be a Montgomery, Alabama - Odessa , Texas telephone conversation.
Both are at extreme edges of the Central Time Zone
They would have the same clock time (CST) but the solar times would be different.
Solar Time and Standard Time might be the same at some point Time Zone but not necessarily in the center of the Time Zone
« Last Edit: July 21, 2019, 08:45:58 PM by Googleotomy »
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2019, 08:36:52 PM »
How would  a Time Zone Map look for a Flat Earth ?
This depends on what kind of FE you have.
If you have the ancient FE with the sun dropping below, then it would just be one giant time zone. (or you may be able to break it up into a bunch of tiny time zones which are quite close together so that noon is when the sun is directly overhead or due north/south, but unless the sun is quite close that wouldn't be an issue).
If you have the common NP centred AEP, or the less common SP centred version, then it would be much like the RE, with regions with a particular longitude having the same time zone.

The bipolar model is more complex, with time zones being significantly different between the northern and southern summer.
During the northern summer, the northern hemisphere would be quite like the globe model or the NP centred AEP.
But the southern hemisphere would be quite different.
Assuming 0 degrees is where the north and south pole are directly connected, then between 90 degrees west and 90 degrees east (the section with the 0 degrees) would have the same or similar time zones to the north.
But for the other half, it would be quite different, with the sun rising to the west and setting to the east. 180 degrees would have the same time zone as 0 degrees, 135 degrees east would be the same as 45 degrees east. 100 degrees east would be the same as 80 degrees east, and so on.
This would then flip during the southern summer (technically at the equinox) at which point the south would be normal and the north would be broken.

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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2019, 09:38:09 PM »
How would  a Time Zone Map look for a Flat Earth ?
This depends on what kind of FE you have.
If you have the ancient FE with the sun dropping below, then it would just be one giant time zone. (or you may be able to break it up into a bunch of tiny time zones which are quite close together so that noon is when the sun is directly overhead or due north/south, but unless the sun is quite close that wouldn't be an issue).
If you have the common NP centred AEP, or the less common SP centred version, then it would be much like the RE, with regions with a particular longitude having the same time zone.

The bipolar model is more complex, with time zones being significantly different between the northern and southern summer.
During the northern summer, the northern hemisphere would be quite like the globe model or the NP centred AEP.
But the southern hemisphere would be quite different.
Assuming 0 degrees is where the north and south pole are directly connected, then between 90 degrees west and 90 degrees east (the section with the 0 degrees) would have the same or similar time zones to the north.
But for the other half, it would be quite different, with the sun rising to the west and setting to the east. 180 degrees would have the same time zone as 0 degrees, 135 degrees east would be the same as 45 degrees east. 100 degrees east would be the same as 80 degrees east, and so on.
This would then flip during the southern summer (technically at the equinox) at which point the south would be normal and the north would be broken.

Thanks very much .
Are there any illustrations of those maps ?
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2019, 12:46:36 AM »
Your video contained zero evidence. Do you have any?

The sun delay is the evidence.
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2019, 12:49:34 AM »
Solar time zones ain't exist. Unless the watches are set up with changing speeds over time all the time.  ;D

You've never had a video call with someone on a different continent and it's night time there while it's day time for you?

I only talked about the contradiction between RE supposedly theory and the sun 'delay' at equinox.
Globe model is impossible for such view.
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2019, 12:51:00 AM »
No, they do exist.
I can attest to that from first hand experience travelling over seas and needing to change my watch/phone over, as well noticing the sun is up at a completely different time.

I can also attest to it with skype calls to people over seas, and with computers needing time zones to accurately tell the time.

Solar time zones ain't exist. Unless the watches are set up with changing speeds over time all the time.  ;D
No, solar time does exit.
The fact that watches don't follow it exactly is irrelevant.

A time zone for a region will roughly match solar time. But so there aren't billions of different time zones, it will not match perfectly.
It wont drift to follow the sun over the course of the year other than as an adjustment for daylight savings time, which doesn't even follow solar noon.
It wont vary as you move each meter east or west either.

Solar time zone exists but it cannot indicate the time petfectly.
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2019, 01:17:48 AM »
Enjoy the video  8)


I don't know about the rest of the earth, but time zones certainly do exist  on our many trips in the USA from Dallas to Los Angeles by car on the highways.

When you go west from Texas to California :
You set your clocks and watches back 1 hour. when you cross from Texas into New Mexico and go from Central Daylight  Time Zone to Mountain Daylight Time Zone.
Arizona stays on Mountain Standard Time the entire year,  so you change to Mountain Standard Time when you cross from New Mexico to Arizona part of the year.
Arizona is on Mountain Standard Time Zone  and California is on Pacific Daylight Time Zone part of the year so you don't reset your watches and clocks part of the year.
Otherwise you set your watches and clocks back 1 hour when you cross from Arizona to California from Mountain Standard Time to Pacific Standard Time.
That might seem a bit complicated and confusing to an outsider but that's how it works.
I don't know if you are just joking......
But time zones DO exist.😁
How many time zones  are there in your country ?

Just some trivia on time zones.:
The old Concorde SST airplanes went so fast you got to New York before you left Paris according the local times in New York and Paris when going west.

Back in the old days of transatlantic steamships , in particular the Titanic, clocks were set ahead or back so many minutes according to how many miles you were in that time zone each night  rather than just setting them ahead or back 1 hour when you go from one time zone to another. This has caused a lot of confusion to the Titanic Historians.

For example if you were going west and passed through half of a time zone the ship's clocks would be set back 30 minutes instead of 1 hour. This setting of the clocks was usually done at midnight. Of course GMT (Greenwch Mean Time) as it was called in Titanic's time is now called UTC ( Universal Time Coordinated ) remains the same wherever you are in the world. You just convert this to local time by the difference in hours such as UTC + 2 or UTC  - 2 for example for your time zone.

You can check your time in your time zone  and compare it with the times in other time zones time on www time gov .

It might be interesting to compare local times of all the users on line on this forum of those in different parts of the world.
At UTC or GMT of 01:08 AM or 01:08 hours  just after midnight on the morning of Friday, July 19, 2018 in London, England, UK
Here in Irving, Texas, USA it is 8:08 PM or 20:08 hours Central Daylight Savings Time (CDST) on the evening of  Thursday, July 18, 2019
Any others ?

If time zones exists but confusing, is it okay to say (solar) time zones doesn't exist?

We have three time zones with irregular pattern due to the sun altitude and the dome refraction.

September 2018

5:41 AM // 11:45 AM // 17:48 PM

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/indonesia/jakarta?month=9&year=2018


March, 2019

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/indonesia/jakarta?month=3&year=2019

5:56 AM // 12:00 AM // 18:03 PM


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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2019, 01:43:39 AM »
The sun delay is the evidence.
Only evidence that you don't understand time zones or are just trolling.

Just what do you think the issue is?

Solar time zone exists but it cannot indicate the time petfectly.
Solar time is separate from time zones.
Solar time is the perfect time based upon the sun, which does rarely matches the time as done normally with time zones.
Solar time will apply to a specific longitude, not a large zone.
If you move just a mm to the east or west it will change solar time.

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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2019, 08:54:41 AM »
Would solar time and standard time be the same at some point within that time zone ?
For example,  would  solar time and standard time be the same at the center of a standard time zone ?
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2019, 03:27:47 PM »
Would solar time and standard time be the same at some point within that time zone ?
For example,  would  solar time and standard time be the same at the center of a standard time zone ?
It is unlikely to be the centre, and due to Earth's elliptical orbit and axial tilt, the exact point would drift on a day to day basis.
For example, lets look at the UK and ignore DST.
Currently it is the same for Worlingham, near the east cost. On December 21st last year it was the same for Uxbridge in west London. On the 21st of March you would have to leave the UK and go off the east cost, but not too far off

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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2019, 09:04:15 PM »
There was an error in my previous post.
Atlanta is in the Eastern and not the Central Time Zone .
A better example would be a Montgomery, Alabama -  Odessa,  Texas telephone conversation.
They are at extreme edges of the Central Time Zone.
Both would have the same clock time ( CST ) but the solar times would be different.
And of course UTC/GMT is always the same.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2019, 10:58:55 AM by Googleotomy »
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2019, 05:59:19 AM »
In the Netherlands there is sometimes argument that we are in the wrong timezone. A lot of people feel that our timezone should be the same as England. I can relate to that, we are currently in the same time zone as for example Germany and Poland. The latter is 700 km to our east.

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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2019, 10:46:24 AM »
In the Netherlands there is sometimes argument that we are in the wrong timezone. A lot of people feel that our timezone should be the same as England. I can relate to that, we are currently in the same time zone as for example Germany and Poland. The latter is 700 km to our east.

There have been many readjustments of time zone boundaries since Standard Time Zones came into existence.
For example, Georgia and Florida were once in the Central Time Zone in the U.S.A..
« Last Edit: July 22, 2019, 11:00:15 AM by Googleotomy »
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2019, 12:36:13 PM »
Danag already previously admitted he thought crossing a timezone would literally mean time had elapsed.
Seriously.
This is who youre arguing with.

Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2019, 01:56:25 PM »
Danag already previously admitted he thought crossing a timezone would literally mean time had elapsed.
Seriously.
This is who youre arguing with.

So, time travel is possible after all  ;)

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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2019, 10:44:05 PM »
Danag already previously admitted he thought crossing a timezone would literally mean time had elapsed.
Seriously.
This is who youre arguing with.

So, time travel is possible after all  ;)

But in this case I suppose  you might consider it so when crossing the International Date Line.
Going one way you skip ahead into tomorrow and going the other way you skip back into yesterday.
After re-considering it I edited this for the possibility of the " time travel " connection.

If you are on a ship and cross from one time zone or another or even cross the International Date Line you are unaware of any changes. The time when the ship will cross the date line has been previously calculated so this is the only way you will
know when you will cross it. As best I remember there was just a note on the ship's "  Plan Of The Day " when the ship would pass over the IDL at a certain time on a certain day.

This maybe a bit off-topic but it does have something to do with crossing time zones.
In this case crossing the International Date Line.
I have been reading up on this and finding reports of Naval Ships having elaborate " Crossing The Line " initiation ceremonies.
But all of the ships I sailed on had none of them of any kind.
Are there any other active or ex-Navy persons who might comment on their experiences ?
Were the fact of the lack of ceremonies rare exceptions ?
This was during peace times.
Crossed the International Date Line a total of 6 times on 3  " cruises " (Going and coming to and from California and Japan)
« Last Edit: July 23, 2019, 12:06:42 PM by Googleotomy »
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2019, 02:20:45 AM »
No.Not in this case . If you are on a ship and cross from one time zone or another or even cross the International Date Line you are unaware of any changes. The time when the ship will cross the date line has been previously calculated so this is the only way  you will
 know when you will cross it.
Time travel is possible.
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2019, 07:43:05 AM »
Danang must be on metric time...
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2019, 01:17:45 AM »
In the Netherlands there is sometimes argument that we are in the wrong timezone. A lot of people feel that our timezone should be the same as England. I can relate to that, we are currently in the same time zone as for example Germany and Poland. The latter is 700 km to our east.

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By the way, 700 km is between what cities?
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2019, 01:22:48 AM »
Would solar time and standard time be the same at some point within that time zone ?
For example,  would  solar time and standard time be the same at the center of a standard time zone ?

For globe model it's supposed to be so. But reality says there is no pure alignment between time and sun position, even on equator at equinox.
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2019, 01:31:04 AM »
Danag already previously admitted he thought crossing a timezone would literally mean time had elapsed.
Seriously.
This is who youre arguing with.

Really?
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2019, 01:32:28 AM »
Danang must be on metric time...

Actually I'm on my way. :')
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Re: Time Zones Don't Exist (globe time system is messed up)
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2019, 02:40:25 AM »
In the Netherlands there is sometimes argument that we are in the wrong timezone. A lot of people feel that our timezone should be the same as England. I can relate to that, we are currently in the same time zone as for example Germany and Poland. The latter is 700 km to our east.

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By the way, 700 km is between what cities?

700 km between Amsterdam and Gorzow (just across the border). Distance Amsterdam to Warschau is about 1100 km.