PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND

Dude, that's SO not cool.  Van Allen died last August.

Wanna know how I know?  Because I'm a student at the University of Iowa and I went to his funeral.

And I'm the only Van Allen.

You're a prick.

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You're a prick.

Not at all.

I have no clue what you are talking about.

I have been Van Allen on the message boards at www.bikeguide.org since April of 2004.

Stay on topic.

Im guessing he discovered the Van Allen belts?

my middle name is Allen.

my last name starts with the prefix "Van"

Get your own thread!

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Taken from the FAQ:

"Q: 'Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?'

A: It's a conspiracy"

as well as

"Q: 'Why has no-one taken a photo of the Earth that proves it is flat?'

A: The government prevents people from getting close enough to the Ice Wall to take a picture."

It appears that you don't have any empirical proof to justify these two claims.  If the Government says that they don't know, then how do you know that they know the Earth is actually flat. In addition, if the Government prevents people from getting close enough to the ice wall to notice the edges of the supposed disk of Earth then how would anybody have any knowledge of it?

Your theory seems to be riddled with numerous ad hoc postulates that poke holes in your claims. Much of what the society supports seems to be more like pseudo science then reliable fact.

Get your own thread!

any talk about "government conspiracy" in my thread will get you flamed.

Also, moving this thread to the flaming forum will also show your sides weaknesses. Step Up.

TALK OF GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY WILL HEREBY THROW ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT OUT OF THE WINDOW.

RE theory has been backed many different ways... come up with a new one FE people or you forfeit all of your credentials.

I don't think that's necessary, the notion of "thread ownership" isn't as important as on topic discussion. I wish you would learn to grasp that concept.

I wish you would learn to grasp that concept.

Dude, that's SO not cool.  Van Allen died last August.

Wanna know how I know?  Because I'm a student at the University of Iowa and I went to his funeral.

all i know is he died on a squerical earth...

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any talk about "government conspiracy" in my thread will get you flamed.

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Also, moving this thread to the flaming forum will also show your sides weaknesses. Step Up.

I'm sorry, but I just wanted to point that out.

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TALK OF GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY WILL HEREBY THROW ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT OUT OF THE WINDOW.

Maybe you should look out of it every once and a while ...

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RE theory has been backed many different ways... come up with a new one FE people or you forfeit all of your credentials.

Come up with a cause for gravity, quick!  Oh, you can't?  Oops, say goodbye to your credentials.

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Quote from: "Van Allen"

any talk about "government conspiracy" in my thread will get you flamed.

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Also, moving this thread to the flaming forum will also show your sides weaknesses. Step Up.

I'm sorry, but I just wanted to point that out.

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TALK OF GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY WILL HEREBY THROW ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT OUT OF THE WINDOW.

Maybe you should look out of it every once and a while ...

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RE theory has been backed many different ways... come up with a new one FE people or you forfeit all of your credentials.

Come up with a cause for gravity, quick!  Oh, you can't?  Oops, say goodbye to your credentials.

"gravity" essentially isn't a tangible thing. In FE theory, it says the acceleration of the earth upwards creates a downward force, ie, gravity. This theory only works in the context of earth.

For example. I have a book and a feather. I throw the book upward and flat... like the earth is supposedly doing. What if I put a feather on that book and throw both? The feather does not stay stuck to the books surface because of the upward force... it stays there because of the downward force it experiences from the EARTHS Gravitational Pull.

Therefor the FE theory is flawed. If the earth were essentially the book, and objects on the earth were the feather... then what downwards force is keeping the objects stuck to the book? There is no force under the "flat earth" that can drive this action.

If everything on earth and earth itself were rising at an increasing speed, everything relative to everything else would be a constant zero. You have no reference point. therefor everything would be able to float off the earth as if it was floating still, assuming gravity was only created by the force of the earth moving upward... which i already proved could not happen without a secondary force under the earth.

As for Round Earth having gravity, that is entirely based on Mass theories and size relavence. Everything has a gravitational attraction to everything else in the universe. It just depends on the mass of the object to depict the effect it has.

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any talk about "government conspiracy" in my thread will get you flamed.

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Also, moving this thread to the flaming forum will also show your sides weaknesses. Step Up.

I'm sorry, but I just wanted to point that out.

Quote from: "Van Allen"

TALK OF GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY WILL HEREBY THROW ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT OUT OF THE WINDOW.

Maybe you should look out of it every once and a while ...

Quote from: "Van Allen"

RE theory has been backed many different ways... come up with a new one FE people or you forfeit all of your credentials.

Come up with a cause for gravity, quick!  Oh, you can't?  Oops, say goodbye to your credentials.

"gravity" essentially isn't a tangible thing. In FE theory, it says the acceleration of the earth upwards creates a downward force, ie, gravity. This theory only works in the context of earth.

For example. I have a book and a feather. I throw the book upward and flat... like the earth is supposedly doing. What if I put a feather on that book and throw both? The feather does not stay stuck to the books surface because of the upward force... it stays there because of the downward force it experiences from the EARTHS Gravitational Pull.

Therefor the FE theory is flawed. If the earth were essentially the book, and objects on the earth were the feather... then what downwards force is keeping the objects stuck to the book? There is no force under the "flat earth" that can drive this action.

If everything on earth and earth itself were rising at an increasing speed, everything relative to everything else would be a constant zero. You have no reference point. therefor everything would be able to float off the earth as if it was floating still, assuming gravity was only created by the force of the earth moving upward... which i already proved could not happen without a secondary force under the earth.

The Earth is accelerating into us.

You misunderstood; I thought your post was irrelevant to the topic.

Perhaps you should try not insulting my intelligence, k? That gets us nowhere.

gravity is a force of attraction between masses. ITS NOT TANGIBLE

 i already said that.

i already said. It cant move into us if we are moving with at at the same speed. Something has to keep us in place for it to move INTO us.

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gravity is a force of attraction between masses. ITS NOT TANGIBLE

 i already said that.

So, you have no idea what causes it; sounds like a hole in the RE theory to me.

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You misunderstood; I thought your post was irrelevant to the topic.

Oh, my apologies then.

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Perhaps you should try not insulting my intelligence, k? That gets us nowhere.

If you consider your behaviour on a forum an accurate measure of ones intelligence then not only do you have my apologies, but you have my sympathy as well.

The Flat Earth Society will never gain notoriety in mainstream science as long as it argues subjectively for FE theory. Science is typically conducted in an objective way, facts are collected without bias and then used to come to a conclusion.

The FES, conversely, believes that science ought to be conducted in reverse. Instead of making a conclusion fit the facts, the society makes the facts fit the conclusion. After establishing a belief that the Earth is flat, they then go and look for reasons why this might be so. This results in biased investigation techniques where evidence that discounts the FE theory is ignored and labelled a falsity. In addition, finding a lack of accepted viewpoints to support the theory, members of the FES begin to create anecdotal and ad hoc claims (ie conspiracy theories) to "fill in the blanks".

I'm not a scientist, and heaven forbid your claim could be right, but because of the way you formulated your conclusion, your belief cannot be justified from a Philosophy of Science standpoint.

if everything is moving at the same speed, in the same position, then why are changes observed in space?

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i already said. It cant move into us if we are moving with at at the same speed. Something has to keep us in place for it to move INTO us.

You're confusing acceleration with velocity.

Earth is accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s^2. That means every second our speed increases by 9.8m/s. Since we're in contact with Earth's surface, we're being accelerated right along with it.

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You misunderstood; I thought your post was irrelevant to the topic.

Oh, my apologies then.

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Perhaps you should try not insulting my intelligence, k? That gets us nowhere.

If you consider your behaviour on a forum an accurate measure of ones intelligence then not only do you have my apologies, but you have my sympathy as well.

The Flat Earth Society will never gain notoriety in mainstream science as long as it argues subjectively for FE theory. Science is typically conducted in an objective way, facts are collected without bias and then used to come to a conclusion.

The FES, conversely, believes that science ought to be conducted in reverse. Instead of making a conclusion fit the facts, the society makes the facts fit the conclusion. After establishing a belief that the Earth is flat, they then go and look for reasons why this might be so. This results in biased investigation techniques where evidence that discounts the FE theory is ignored and labelled a falsity. In addition, finding a lack of accepted viewpoints to support the theory, members of the FES begin to create anecdotal and ad hoc claims (ie conspiracy theories) to "fill in the blanks".

I'm not a scientist, and heaven forbid your claim could be right, but because of the way you formulated your conclusion, your belief cannot be justified from a Philosophy of Science standpoint.

Since when did beliefs have an effect on one's intelligence?