PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND

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PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND
« on: January 21, 2007, 12:14:20 PM »
Well, it's been a long time coming. I've avoided logging on for the longest time just to make sure I did not let any of this information go too soon. Much of what I will be talking about many of the RE people already know or realize... hell, even little Chinese factory workers that live on cents a week know this stuff, but just haven't formulated it. COWFLOP will be assisting me.

FLAT EARTHER'S READ THIS:
any talk about "government conspiracy" in my thread will get you flamed. This is because conspiracy theories are THE WORST form of sustainable information. TALK OF GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY WILL HEREBY THROW ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT OUT OF THE WINDOW. RE theory has been backed many different ways... come up with a new one FE people or you forfeit all of your credentials.

Also, moving this thread to the flaming forum will also show your sides weaknesses. Step Up.

PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF A ROUND EARTH:

1000's of years of science and philosophy proven by people with higher intelligence of everyone on this board.

Read up on it, you probably wouldn't be here today if the world was flat.

/end thread.

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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2007, 12:17:15 PM »
Dude, that's SO not cool.  Van Allen died last August.

Wanna know how I know?  Because I'm a student at the University of Iowa and I went to his funeral.

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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 12:19:47 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Dude, that's SO not cool.  Van Allen died last August.

Wanna know how I know?  Because I'm a student at the University of Iowa and I went to his funeral.


You go to the University of Iowa?

That pretty much discards everything you say then.

And I'm the only Van Allen.

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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2007, 12:25:37 PM »
Quote from: "Van Allen"
And I'm the only Van Allen.


You're a prick.

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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2007, 12:35:08 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"


You're a prick.


Not at all.

I have no clue what you are talking about.

I have been Van Allen on the message boards at www.bikeguide.org since April of 2004.

Stay on topic.

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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2007, 12:37:27 PM »
Quote from: "Van Allen"
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"


You're a prick.


Not at all.

I have no clue what you are talking about.

I have been Van Allen on the message boards at www.bikeguide.org since April of 2004.

Stay on topic.


To what is your username referencing, then?

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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2007, 12:37:54 PM »
Im guessing he discovered the Van Allen belts?

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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2007, 12:39:04 PM »
my middle name is Allen.

my last name starts with the prefix "Van"

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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2007, 12:41:09 PM »
Taken from the FAQ:

"Q: 'Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?'

A: It's a conspiracy"

as well as

"Q: 'Why has no-one taken a photo of the Earth that proves it is flat?'

A: The government prevents people from getting close enough to the Ice Wall to take a picture."

It appears that you don't have any empirical proof to justify these two claims.  If the Government says that they don't know, then how do you know that they know the Earth is actually flat. In addition, if the Government prevents people from getting close enough to the ice wall to notice the edges of the supposed disk of Earth then how would anybody have any knowledge of it?

Your theory seems to be riddled with numerous ad hoc postulates that poke holes in your claims. Much of what the society supports seems to be more like pseudo science then reliable fact.

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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2007, 12:42:18 PM »
Quote from: "Flat Brain Society"
Im guessing he discovered the Van Allen belts?

Yes.
Quote from: "Van Allen"
my middle name is Allen.

my last name starts with the prefix "Van"

Then I apologize for irrationally chastising you.

By the way, my middle name is "Alan"; I've never really enjoyed the "Allen" spelling - it looks too much like "Alien".

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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2007, 12:43:08 PM »
[edit]
Maybe I should read more.

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2007, 12:45:48 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"


Get your own thread!


No, he can stay.

Read my introduction.

Who do I say will be helping me make FE's understand?

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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2007, 12:47:45 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "Cowflop"
Taken from the FAQ:

"Q: 'Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?'

A: It's a conspiracy"

as well as

"Q: 'Why has no-one taken a photo of the Earth that proves it is flat?'

A: The government prevents people from getting close enough to the Ice Wall to take a picture."

It appears that you don't have any empirical proof to justify these two claims.  If the Government says that they don't know, then how do you know that they know the Earth is actually flat. In addition, if the Government prevents people from getting close enough to the ice wall to notice the edges of the supposed disk of Earth then how would anybody have any knowledge of it?

Your theory seems to be riddled with numerous ad hoc postulates that poke holes in your claims. Much of what the society supports seems to be more like pseudo science then reliable fact.


Get your own thread!


I don't think that's necessary, the notion of "thread ownership" isn't as important as on topic discussion. I wish you would learn to grasp that concept.

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Re: PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2007, 12:51:20 PM »
Quote from: "Van Allen"
any talk about "government conspiracy" in my thread will get you flamed.
Quote from: "Van Allen"
Also, moving this thread to the flaming forum will also show your sides weaknesses. Step Up.

I'm sorry, but I just wanted to point that out.

Quote from: "Van Allen"
TALK OF GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY WILL HEREBY THROW ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT OUT OF THE WINDOW.

Maybe you should look out of it every once and a while ...

Quote from: "Van Allen"
RE theory has been backed many different ways... come up with a new one FE people or you forfeit all of your credentials.

Come up with a cause for gravity, quick!  Oh, you can't?  Oops, say goodbye to your credentials.

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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2007, 12:53:06 PM »
Quote from: "Cowflop"
I don't think that's necessary, the notion of "thread ownership" isn't as important as on topic discussion. I wish you would learn to grasp that concept.

You misunderstood; I thought your post was irrelevant to the topic.

Quote from: "Cowflop"
I wish you would learn to grasp that concept.

Perhaps you should try not insulting my intelligence, k?  That gets us nowhere.

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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2007, 01:03:18 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Dude, that's SO not cool.  Van Allen died last August.

Wanna know how I know?  Because I'm a student at the University of Iowa and I went to his funeral.

what the fuck do you want a brass button . i dont care . all i know is he died on a squerical earth and you twats are utter cocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COCKS

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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2007, 01:06:14 PM »
Quote from: "r0bbert"
all i know is he died on a squerical earth...

Did he?!

Re: PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2007, 01:07:05 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "Van Allen"
any talk about "government conspiracy" in my thread will get you flamed.
Quote from: "Van Allen"
Also, moving this thread to the flaming forum will also show your sides weaknesses. Step Up.

I'm sorry, but I just wanted to point that out.

Quote from: "Van Allen"
TALK OF GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY WILL HEREBY THROW ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT OUT OF THE WINDOW.

Maybe you should look out of it every once and a while ...

Quote from: "Van Allen"
RE theory has been backed many different ways... come up with a new one FE people or you forfeit all of your credentials.

Come up with a cause for gravity, quick!  Oh, you can't?  Oops, say goodbye to your credentials.


"gravity" essentially isn't a tangible thing. In FE theory, it says the acceleration of the earth upwards creates a downward force, ie, gravity. This theory only works in the context of earth.

For example. I have a book and a feather. I throw the book upward and flat... like the earth is supposedly doing. What if I put a feather on that book and throw both? The feather does not stay stuck to the books surface because of the upward force... it stays there because of the downward force it experiences from the EARTHS Gravitational Pull.

Therefor the FE theory is flawed. If the earth were essentially the book, and objects on the earth were the feather... then what downwards force is keeping the objects stuck to the book? There is no force under the "flat earth" that can drive this action.

If everything on earth and earth itself were rising at an increasing speed, everything relative to everything else would be a constant zero. You have no reference point. therefor everything would be able to float off the earth as if it was floating still, assuming gravity was only created by the force of the earth moving upward... which i already prooved could not happen without a secondary force under the earth.

As for Round Earth having gravity, that is entirely based on Mass theories and size relavence. Everything has a gravitaional attraction to everything else in the universe. It just depends on the mass of the object to depict the effect it has.

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Re: PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2007, 01:14:41 PM »
Quote from: "Van Allen"
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "Van Allen"
any talk about "government conspiracy" in my thread will get you flamed.
Quote from: "Van Allen"
Also, moving this thread to the flaming forum will also show your sides weaknesses. Step Up.

I'm sorry, but I just wanted to point that out.

Quote from: "Van Allen"
TALK OF GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY WILL HEREBY THROW ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT OUT OF THE WINDOW.

Maybe you should look out of it every once and a while ...

Quote from: "Van Allen"
RE theory has been backed many different ways... come up with a new one FE people or you forfeit all of your credentials.

Come up with a cause for gravity, quick!  Oh, you can't?  Oops, say goodbye to your credentials.


"gravity" essentially isn't a tangible thing. In FE theory, it says the acceleration of the earth upwards creates a downward force, ie, gravity. This theory only works in the context of earth.

For example. I have a book and a feather. I throw the book upward and flat... like the earth is supposedly doing. What if I put a feather on that book and throw both? The feather does not stay stuck to the books surface because of the upward force... it stays there because of the downward force it experiences from the EARTHS Gravitational Pull.

Therefor the FE theory is flawed. If the earth were essentially the book, and objects on the earth were the feather... then what downwards force is keeping the objects stuck to the book? There is no force under the "flat earth" that can drive this action.

If everything on earth and earth itself were rising at an increasing speed, everything relative to everything else would be a constant zero. You have no reference point. therefor everything would be able to float off the earth as if it was floating still, assuming gravity was only created by the force of the earth moving upward... which i already proved could not happen without a secondary force under the earth.

The Earth is accelerating into us.

Quote from: "Van Allen"
As for Round Earth having gravity, that is entirely based on Mass theories and size relavence. Everything has a gravitational attraction to everything else in the universe. It just depends on the mass of the object to depict the effect it has.

So, you don't have a cause?  Is gravity magical?

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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2007, 01:17:12 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "Van Allen"
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "Van Allen"
any talk about "government conspiracy" in my thread will get you flamed.
Quote from: "Van Allen"
Also, moving this thread to the flaming forum will also show your sides weaknesses. Step Up.

I'm sorry, but I just wanted to point that out.

Quote from: "Van Allen"
TALK OF GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY WILL HEREBY THROW ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT OUT OF THE WINDOW.

Maybe you should look out of it every once and a while ...

Quote from: "Van Allen"
RE theory has been backed many different ways... come up with a new one FE people or you forfeit all of your credentials.

Come up with a cause for gravity, quick!  Oh, you can't?  Oops, say goodbye to your credentials.


"gravity" essentially isn't a tangible thing. In FE theory, it says the acceleration of the earth upwards creates a downward force, ie, gravity. This theory only works in the context of earth.

For example. I have a book and a feather. I throw the book upward and flat... like the earth is supposedly doing. What if I put a feather on that book and throw both? The feather does not stay stuck to the books surface because of the upward force... it stays there because of the downward force it experiences from the EARTHS Gravitational Pull.

Therefor the FE theory is flawed. If the earth were essentially the book, and objects on the earth were the feather... then what downwards force is keeping the objects stuck to the book? There is no force under the "flat earth" that can drive this action.

If everything on earth and earth itself were rising at an increasing speed, everything relative to everything else would be a constant zero. You have no reference point. therefor everything would be able to float off the earth as if it was floating still, assuming gravity was only created by the force of the earth moving upward... which i already proved could not happen without a secondary force under the earth.

The Earth is accelerating into us.


i already said. It cant move into us if we are moving with at at the same speed. Something has to keep us in place for it to move INTO us.

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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2007, 01:17:54 PM »
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You misunderstood; I thought your post was irrelevant to the topic.

Oh, my apologies then.

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Perhaps you should try not insulting my intelligence, k? That gets us nowhere.

If you consider your behaviour on a forum an accurate measure of ones intelligence then not only do you have my apologies, but you have my sympathy as well.

The Flat Earth Society will never gain notoriety in mainstream science as long as it argues subjectively for FE theory. Science is typically conducted in an objective way, facts are collected without bias and then used to come to a conclusion.

The FES, conversely, believes that science ought to be conducted in reverse. Instead of making a conclusion fit the facts, the society makes the facts fit the conclusion. After establishing a belief that the Earth is flat, they then go and look for reasons why this might be so. This results in biased investigation techniques where evidence that discounts the FE theory is ignored and labelled a falsity. In addition, finding a lack of accepted viewpoints to support the theory, members of the FES begin to create anecdotal and ad hoc claims (ie conspiracy theories) to "fill in the blanks".

I'm not a scientist, and heaven forbid your claim could be right, but because of the way you formulated your conclusion, your belief cannot be justified from a Philosophy of Science standpoint.

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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2007, 01:19:16 PM »
gravity is a force of attraction between masses. ITS NOT TANGIBLE

 i already said that.

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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2007, 01:22:26 PM »
Quote from: "Van Allen"
gravity is a force of attraction between masses. ITS NOT TANGIBLE

 i already said that.

So, you have no idea what causes it; sounds like a hole in the RE theory to me.

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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2007, 01:23:32 PM »
Quote from: "Van Allen"


i already said. It cant move into us if we are moving with at at the same speed. Something has to keep us in place for it to move INTO us.

You're confusing acceleration with velocity.

Earth is accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s^2. That means every second our speed increases by 9.8m/s. Since we're in contact with Earth's surface, we're being accelerated right along with it.

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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2007, 01:24:56 PM »
if everything is moving at the same speed, in the same position, then why are changes observed in space?

what drives this motion if its not the physical gravitational attraction of objects?

if the upward motion of everything in the universe is true... what relative point is this theory based on?

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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2007, 01:25:32 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "Van Allen"
gravity is a force of attraction between masses. ITS NOT TANGIBLE

 i already said that.

So, you have no idea what causes it; sounds like a hole in the RE theory to me.


Its not necessary to know the cause of something to know that it exists. I may see an explosion without knowing what caused it; by your reasoning I can't, therefore, say that the explosion ever happened.

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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2007, 01:25:38 PM »
Quote from: "Cowflop"
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You misunderstood; I thought your post was irrelevant to the topic.

Oh, my apologies then.

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Perhaps you should try not insulting my intelligence, k? That gets us nowhere.

If you consider your behaviour on a forum an accurate measure of ones intelligence then not only do you have my apologies, but you have my sympathy as well.

The Flat Earth Society will never gain notoriety in mainstream science as long as it argues subjectively for FE theory. Science is typically conducted in an objective way, facts are collected without bias and then used to come to a conclusion.

The FES, conversely, believes that science ought to be conducted in reverse. Instead of making a conclusion fit the facts, the society makes the facts fit the conclusion. After establishing a belief that the Earth is flat, they then go and look for reasons why this might be so. This results in biased investigation techniques where evidence that discounts the FE theory is ignored and labelled a falsity. In addition, finding a lack of accepted viewpoints to support the theory, members of the FES begin to create anecdotal and ad hoc claims (ie conspiracy theories) to "fill in the blanks".

I'm not a scientist, and heaven forbid your claim could be right, but because of the way you formulated your conclusion, your belief cannot be justified from a Philosophy of Science standpoint.


Since when did beliefs have an effect on one's intelligence?

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GeoGuy

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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2007, 01:26:05 PM »
Quote from: "Van Allen"
if everything is moving at the same speed, in the same position, then why are changes observed in space?


As I just said, everything isn't moving at the same speed. Everything is accelerating at the same rate.

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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2007, 01:28:24 PM »
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Quote from: "Van Allen"


i already said. It cant move into us if we are moving with at at the same speed. Something has to keep us in place for it to move INTO us.

You're confusing acceleration with velocity.

Earth is accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s^2. That means every second our speed increases by 9.8m/s. Since we're in contact with Earth's surface, we're being accelerated right along with it.


but because there is no relative point below the earth that can prove everything is moving upward at that speed (ie, that speed is not measured against a stationary point) then the constant of 9.8 can be set to 0, making it the refernce point. This would cause a person to float away from the earth if they jumped up, making their acceleration greater than 9.8, and the earth could therefor never catch up because nothing would slow this person down.

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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2007, 01:29:27 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "Cowflop"
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You misunderstood; I thought your post was irrelevant to the topic.

Oh, my apologies then.

Quote
Perhaps you should try not insulting my intelligence, k? That gets us nowhere.

If you consider your behaviour on a forum an accurate measure of ones intelligence then not only do you have my apologies, but you have my sympathy as well.

The Flat Earth Society will never gain notoriety in mainstream science as long as it argues subjectively for FE theory. Science is typically conducted in an objective way, facts are collected without bias and then used to come to a conclusion.

The FES, conversely, believes that science ought to be conducted in reverse. Instead of making a conclusion fit the facts, the society makes the facts fit the conclusion. After establishing a belief that the Earth is flat, they then go and look for reasons why this might be so. This results in biased investigation techniques where evidence that discounts the FE theory is ignored and labelled a falsity. In addition, finding a lack of accepted viewpoints to support the theory, members of the FES begin to create anecdotal and ad hoc claims (ie conspiracy theories) to "fill in the blanks".

I'm not a scientist, and heaven forbid your claim could be right, but because of the way you formulated your conclusion, your belief cannot be justified from a Philosophy of Science standpoint.


Since when did beliefs have an effect on one's intelligence?


You made the connection to intelligence, why don't you explain?