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Quote from: wise on July 10, 2019, 03:38:10 AM

It is the result of my observation on many scientific measurements.

This in no way justifies it.

1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.

1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.

It competely justify it.

Again, again and one more time again, you can not get an exact measurement as an error limit. It has to be marked as percentage of anything.

Quote from: Themightykabool on July 10, 2019, 03:50:12 AM

1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.

Where is the question of this answer.

Quote from: wise on July 10, 2019, 05:45:55 AM

It competely justify it.

No it doesn't.
I want a proper justificaiton of how you ended up at 0.5% for the data in question.

You ignoring how these errors work will not help you.

Yes it does. I explained where the 0.5% came from.

I have provided a justification for why 0.01 km is a valid error limit.

Quote from: wise on July 10, 2019, 09:24:04 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on July 10, 2019, 03:50:12 AM

1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.

Where is the question of this answer.

your "answer" to 3 was that someone would have to field measure the distance to the coast from any major airport.

but you have not answered 1 or 2.

1.
how do you account for varying speeds, taxi/ landing delays, wind vectoring, when all you measure are flight times?

2.
knots are used and roughly measure out lines of latitude...of a round earth.
why would they need knots?

Quote from: JackBlack on July 11, 2019, 01:22:36 AM

I have provided a justification for why 0.01 km is a valid error limit.

Your explanation is null. You can't use a spesific lenght as an error limit till prove its valid. it wouldn't be like it because you wanted something. if you ask any of the land surveyor about the error limit of 5 per thousand, they will tell you that it is appropriate. Your ignorance is your ignorance and your own problem. Repeating same baseless 0,01 kms does not magically make it justified by anything.

Quote from: Themightykabool on July 10, 2019, 03:00:58 PM

Quote from: wise on July 10, 2019, 09:24:04 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on July 10, 2019, 03:50:12 AM

1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.

Where is the question of this answer.

your "answer" to 3 was that someone would have to field measure the distance to the coast from any major airport.

but you have not answered 1 or 2.

1.
how do you account for varying speeds, taxi/ landing delays, wind vectoring, when all you measure are flight times?

2.
knots are used and roughly measure out lines of latitude...of a round earth.
why would they need knots?

Quote from: Themightykabool on July 11, 2019, 03:20:28 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on July 10, 2019, 03:00:58 PM

Quote from: wise on July 10, 2019, 09:24:04 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on July 10, 2019, 03:50:12 AM

1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.

Where is the question of this answer.

your "answer" to 3 was that someone would have to field measure the distance to the coast from any major airport.

but you have not answered 1 or 2.

1.
how do you account for varying speeds, taxi/ landing delays, wind vectoring, when all you measure are flight times?

2.
knots are used and roughly measure out lines of latitude...of a round earth.
why would they need knots?

Quote from: Themightykabool on July 11, 2019, 05:40:24 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on July 11, 2019, 03:20:28 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on July 10, 2019, 03:00:58 PM

Quote from: wise on July 10, 2019, 09:24:04 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on July 10, 2019, 03:50:12 AM

1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.

Where is the question of this answer.

your "answer" to 3 was that someone would have to field measure the distance to the coast from any major airport.

but you have not answered 1 or 2.

1.
how do you account for varying speeds, taxi/ landing delays, wind vectoring, when all you measure are flight times?

2.
knots are used and roughly measure out lines of latitude...of a round earth.
why would they need knots?

infinite time?
you seem to have enough time to back and forth with jackblack about other nonsense.
i'm sure this is answered as your mapping method was developed years ago.
D = V x T.
how do you accurately portray distance to +/-0.5% error when you're only measuring one variable (T)?
is V constant?
how is V constant if pilots can chose to go faster or slower.
how is v constant if winds can affect a plane's speed?

In a way or other, your childish questions do not end. I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time. I calculated average speeds for different distances for each different aircraft types. I used different speeds at different distances for different aircrafts. then multiplied by the travel time based on this calculated speed value, I found the actual distance. many correction methods have been used purely for reducing the errors. At the end, Europe map was overlapping. Your persistent objections either because you don't understand the subject or are for cause me waste of time. these are certainly not well-intentioned. because you learn a subject every day and that doesn't make you convinced of the flat world. Tomorrow you will come again with a ridiculous question.

• What flights between South Africa and Australia have you included?
  If it's none how could you map have the distance between South Africa and Australia correct?  Answer me that!
  
  
• What flights between Australia and South America and  have you included?
  If it's none how could you map have the distance between Australia and South America correct?  Answer me that!
  
  
• What flights between South America and South Africa and  have you included?
  If it's none how could you map have the distance between South America and South Africa correct?  Answer me that!

Quote from: wise on July 12, 2019, 01:43:39 PM

In a way or other, your childish questions do not end. I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time. I calculated average speeds for different distances for each different aircraft types. I used different speeds at different distances for different aircrafts. then multiplied by the travel time based on this calculated speed value, I found the actual distance. many correction methods have been used purely for reducing the errors. At the end, Europe map was overlapping. Your persistent objections either because you don't understand the subject or are for cause me waste of time. these are certainly not well-intentioned. because you learn a subject every day and that doesn't make you convinced of the flat world. Tomorrow you will come again with a ridiculous question.

This isn't tomorrow but this is not a ridiculous question. It is a very important question about the accuracy of your map!

And you have ignored all air-routes that don't fit you own idea as to the shape of the earth! You must be the world champion cherry-picker by now!

• What flights between South Africa and Australia have you included?
  If it's none how could you map have the distance between South Africa and Australia correct?  Answer me that!
  
  
• What flights between Australia and South America and  have you included?
  If it's none how could you map have the distance between Australia and South America correct?  Answer me that!
  
  
• What flights between South America and South Africa and  have you included?
  If it's none how could you map have the distance between South America and South Africa correct?  Answer me that!

If you omitted one of those flight paths your map cannot be an accurate map of the whole world!

Quote from: rabinoz on July 13, 2019, 05:01:11 AM

Quote from: wise on July 12, 2019, 01:43:39 PM

In a way or other, your childish questions do not end. I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time. I calculated average speeds for different distances for each different aircraft types. I used different speeds at different distances for different aircrafts. then multiplied by the travel time based on this calculated speed value, I found the actual distance. many correction methods have been used purely for reducing the errors. At the end, Europe map was overlapping. Your persistent objections either because you don't understand the subject or are for cause me waste of time. these are certainly not well-intentioned. because you learn a subject every day and that doesn't make you convinced of the flat world. Tomorrow you will come again with a ridiculous question.

This isn't tomorrow but this is not a ridiculous question. It is a very important question about the accuracy of your map!

And you have ignored all air-routes that don't fit you own idea as to the shape of the earth! You must be the world champion cherry-picker by now!

• What flights between South Africa and Australia have you included?
  If it's none how could you map have the distance between South Africa and Australia correct?  Answer me that!
  
  
• What flights between Australia and South America and  have you included?
  If it's none how could you map have the distance between Australia and South America correct?  Answer me that!
  
  
• What flights between South America and South Africa and  have you included?
  If it's none how could you map have the distance between South America and South Africa correct?  Answer me that!

If you omitted one of those flight paths your map cannot be an accurate map of the whole world!

This is another ridiculous question. you're wrong about that. if 1 route conflicts with the remaining 100 routes, that route is ignored, not used. in other words, if the theory of contraction of the map is acted upon, all lines that extend up that line will be denied.

This is another ridiculous question. you're wrong about that. if 1 route conflicts with the remaining 100 routes, that route is ignored, not used.

If you could prove this to be true

but my goal is not to prove the flat world or prove that the other map is a lie, but to make a working flat world map.

No, it is not a ridiculous question! The Southern Hemisphere exists and whether there are a few or many flights here, any valid map must get those distances correct too!

Your map assumes that the earth is flat before you even start and that is the grievous logical fallacy of "Affirming the Consequent".

Quote from: rabinoz on July 13, 2019, 05:34:40 PM

No, it is not a ridiculous question! The Southern Hemisphere exists and whether there are a few or many flights here, any valid map must get those distances correct too!

Your map assumes that the earth is flat before you even start and that is the grievous logical fallacy of "Affirming the Consequent".

So you know the true shape of the earth's being flat because you know everything, right? So why do you hide the truth, are you NASA?

No, it is not a ridiculous question! The Southern Hemisphere exists and whether there are a few or many flights here, any valid map must get those distances correct too!

Your map assumes that the earth is flat before you even start and that is the grievous logical fallacy of "Affirming the Consequent".

No, it is not a ridiculous question! The Southern Hemisphere exists and whether there are a few or many flights here, any valid map must get those distances correct too!

Your map assumes that the earth is flat before you even start and that is the grievous logical fallacy of "Affirming the Consequent".

Quote from: wise on July 13, 2019, 01:29:17 PM

You can use Gleason's map. Actually my map is better because updated but has not finished. I recommend you use Gleason's map in everywhere in the earth. It works perfectly.

No! Gleason's map Time Chart does not work "perfectly" anywhere except close to the North Pole.

Wise, you just say empty words like, "my map is better" and "Gleason's map . . . . works perfectly" with no evidence to back it up!

Here is "Gleason's Map":

"Gleason's Map: 1892 new standard map of the world

Now just as one example, compare the widths of the USA and Australia in that "map":

United States on Gleasons Map: 4300 km wide

Australia on Gleasons Map: 3994 km wide

Sizes of Australia/United States

So the USA (at 4300 km) is wider than Australia (at 3994 km) but look just compare the widths on the Gleason's map.

And just compare the shape of Australia determined by surveyors measurements in the 1800s with the shape of Australia on current maps - they are virtually the same.

Map of Australia published in 1855

Map of Australia published from Garmin GPS

But the proportions of Australia on the "Gleason's Map" are obviously grossly distorted.

"Gleason's Map" is simply a North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the Globe and was patented and published as a "Time-Chart" NOT an accurate map of the earth.

I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time.

I claimed no such thing. I simply said that:

Quote from: rabinoz on July 17, 2019, 12:40:43 AM

The earth is flat

Quote from: wise on July 12, 2019, 01:43:39 PM

I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time.

Really?  You examined hundreds of thousands of flights? You must have access to a very large database to do that. What database did you use? Or is this just another lie?

Quote from: rabinoz on July 17, 2019, 12:40:43 AM

I claimed no such thing. I simply said that:

Quote from: rabinoz on July 17, 2019, 12:40:43 AM

The earth is flat

categoricall  all flight times proves that the earth is flat. opposite arguments are the so-called south-south flights, which you can never prove.

Quote from: Platonius21 on July 20, 2019, 06:17:50 AM

Quote from: wise on July 12, 2019, 01:43:39 PM

I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time.

Really?  You examined hundreds of thousands of flights? You must have access to a very large database to do that. What database did you use? Or is this just another lie?

If I say it is 100k, so it is 100k.