What's the deal with REers here?

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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2019, 05:53:29 PM »
Because your views are interesting and i want to know how you came to find these views.
As you said - whats life without divesity.
But you want ot remain mysterious.

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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2019, 06:16:19 PM »
Because your views are interesting and i want to know how you came to find these views.
As you said - whats life without divesity.
But you want ot remain mysterious.

Breaking my rule just to say: I got tired of the taunts and the hostility. I don't need that. I do wish you all the best. But we have nothing to discuss.

Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2019, 07:56:37 PM »
Ha
Lame

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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2019, 08:21:41 PM »
You seem to think I have an obligation to answer your questions or even to talk to you. Wrong. Plenty of folks here are happy to argue with you. I don't understand your fixation on me.

Okay, back to not responding.  :-*

Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2019, 09:55:57 PM »
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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2019, 11:50:56 PM »
Magellanclavicord, this is a flat earth forum where flat earth principles are discussed. If you want to discuss macrame, or recipes for chicken soup, maybe you'll find what you're looking for in the lounge?

As for the topic, I never suggested all people who believe the earth to be flat to be unhinged. But, the unhinged ones do tend to draw attention and have extreme hatred towards NASA. I totally agree there are more unhinged individuals in the world who believe the earth is a globe.

The danger with flat earth belief though, is that normally excludes one from participating in current world affairs. How can a flat earther engage in open discussion about the international space station, space travel, the moon, moon landings, fear of asteroids, the earth's relationship with the sun and moon, without there being disbelief? North Korea's long range nuclear missile capability, is radically changed between the accepted globe earth model and any flat earth model. How the hell does a flat earther explain tectonic plates, earth quakes, and tidal waves.

These are real life events which happen and are explained through understanding the earth as a globe.

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also. The argument it is just diversity in belief, is a bit incorrect when you start looking more into it.

That's why having round earthers here isn't necessarily a bad thing.


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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2019, 12:09:22 AM »
Dutchy, may I interrupt? Not that I'd bother waiting for permission from an ignorant upstart like you.

So, butt out with you pretensions of great knowledge!

PS Neil de Grasse Tyson is nobody's overlord but he does know so much more
O yes .... what did i read in another topic ?
Rabinoz putting totallylacky in his place by claiming Sandokan had an infinitive amount of knowledge compared to the former.
I read many posts where rabinoz corrected Sandokan , claiming the latter simply was a misguided person failing to grasp the very fundamentals of science.

Ahhhh what great privilege is this that the ‘ ancient one called rabinoz ’ takes the time to correct silly me.
Rabinoz who is from the beginning, gazing over the Greek see to confirm what he knows for thousends of years and more....


Your arrogance has no limitation.... has it ?
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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2019, 12:50:11 AM »
Rabinoz who is from the beginning, gazing over the Greek see to confirm what he knows for thousends of years and more....
Or so your own fantasy says but the Greeks just started it and the evidence found since fits the Globe and not a Pancake Planet.

Quote from: dutchy
Your arrogance has no limitation.... has it ?
Since you seem to have nothing but your arrogance to support your fiction maybe I could borrow, "Your arrogance has no limitation....?".

Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2019, 12:59:02 AM »
This thread brings up a couple thought provoking topics.

Someone asked what FEr's would talk about if no REr's came here. Just look in the FE Believers section, it looks like they wouldn't talk about much. Some of them post long monologues there but I suspect even those would dwindle down if there was no REr's against which to make arguments.


But back to the more direct question, why do round earther's bother showing up and interacting --  this is naturally a question I asked myself many times.

For me personally, it started when a friend said to me "Hey the earth is flat! Gravity does not exist!" of course I was like "Of course it's not flat, of course gravity exists."

Then I realized I had no direct evidence to prove him incorrect.

So I wanted to check into it more. Being an inquisitive person, I asked him more questions.
He had no answers, but referred me to Mark Sargent, so I watched hundreds of hours of mark sargent videos over several months, trying to find answers. He didn't seem to have a lot of answers and teaches the idea that everything we see in the sky is just a 3D projection such as the sun, moon, planets, and stars.

So I began trying to learn as much as I could bout FE and meta-FE (i.e. what the belief was and how seriously the believers believed it themselves.)

I also began trying different experiments.
I performed the cavendish experiment, and found there to be an attractive force between lead weights which was not magnetic and not electric. It was in the ballpark for gravity.

I also got a theodolite (like what surveyors use) and measured some mountains and found that the height of a mountain drops off non-linearly with distance -- my measurements came out quite close to 8 inches per mile squared, which is a good approximation for the generally accepted shape of the generally spherical earth theory.

I continue to perform experiments and learn as much as I can about the topic.

At the same time, I care about people and it makes me sad if they are believing a lie and shutting out their friends because their friends don't also believe the earth is flat.

In fact my friend who introduced me to flat earth was very unhappy with me when I showed him how I'd measured the height of a distant mountain with a theodolite and got a reading that fit the globe earth theory.

So I come here to help potential flat earther's see that there are problems with the theory to prevent them from falling hook line and sinker, and to also help flat earther's see that there's problems so they aren't so fanatic and maybe work them back to a better understanding of observable reality.

At this point, I'm finding that the majority of the evidence points to  globe earth, and that flat earth claims are mostly incoherent.

I've also found that a lot of the highly experienced flat earthers seem afraid of the truth, afraid that if they look at all the evidence they may have to abandon their theory.

And look. If you'd measured the height of a distant mountain with a real surveyor's theodolite, and it agreed with your world-shape-view, wouldn't you want to tell people who believed it was a different shape?

And look at it the other way - if someone measured and found the world to be a shape different than you believed, wouldn't you want to know?

I sure would want to know if I was wrong!

I couldn't care less what shape the world is. As long as I correctly know what shape it is.

If my measurements show it to be flat, I'll be the happiest flat earther there is. If they show it to be a globe, again, I'll be the happiest glober there is.

But for now, I'm still on the search for the single very best evidence of a flat earth I can find! So far I have not found even one good one!

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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2019, 04:06:20 AM »
There's a thread in the FE believers forum just for complaining about RE members!

Statred by the King of angry flatties, wise!

So, without the RE component, this may as well be a knitting forum. Or perhaps a crocodile vs alligator forum, since dutchwad would likely still be involved.
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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2019, 05:57:11 AM »
You seem to think I have an obligation to answer your questions or even to talk to you. Wrong. Plenty of folks here are happy to argue with you. I don't understand your fixation on me.

Okay, back to not responding.  :-*

There is no obligation or owing of any kind.
Youre on a discussion forum.
The fixation is because you are a new interesting person.
You dont need to convince me of anything
I dont need to convince you of anything.
Its a discussion and exhanging of ideas.

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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2019, 08:32:23 AM »
Hello FlatOrange!
Hello!! *waves emphatically*

Hi. FlatOrange!

Hello magellanclavichord!! Nice to meet you!  ;D

Likewise!

Magellanclavicord, this is a flat earth forum where flat earth principles are discussed. If you want to discuss macrame, or recipes for chicken soup, maybe you'll find what you're looking for in the lounge?

As for the topic, I never suggested all people who believe the earth to be flat to be unhinged. But, the unhinged ones do tend to draw attention and have extreme hatred towards NASA. I totally agree there are more unhinged individuals in the world who believe the earth is a globe.

The danger with flat earth belief though, is that normally excludes one from participating in current world affairs. How can a flat earther engage in open discussion about the international space station, space travel, the moon, moon landings, fear of asteroids, the earth's relationship with the sun and moon, without there being disbelief? North Korea's long range nuclear missile capability, is radically changed between the accepted globe earth model and any flat earth model. How the hell does a flat earther explain tectonic plates, earth quakes, and tidal waves.

These are real life events which happen and are explained through understanding the earth as a globe.

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also. The argument it is just diversity in belief, is a bit incorrect when you start looking more into it.

That's why having round earthers here isn't necessarily a bad thing.

All of which is why I try to convince my fellow flat-Earthers that all that stuff is real: Gravity and space and the moon landings. And I try to convince my fellow flat-Earthers that NASA is actually what it seems to be: Not an evil cabal with nefarious purposes, but just an agency that launches satellites and takes pictures of weather patterns, etc. And that earthquakes and tsunamis and plate tectonics and climate change are all real. And that scientists are not lying to us.

Both sides think there's something wrong with me but I plod on.  :)

And thank you for your very thoughtful answer to the question in my OP.

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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2019, 10:06:13 AM »
There's a thread in the FE believers forum just for complaining about RE members!

Statred by the King of angry flatties, wise!

So, without the RE component, this may as well be a knitting forum. Or perhaps a crocodile vs alligator forum, since dutchwad would likely still be involved.
Look a liitle gift my funny friend.....

Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2019, 12:16:28 PM »
Hello FlatOrange!
Hello!! *waves emphatically*

Hi. FlatOrange!

Hello magellanclavichord!! Nice to meet you!  ;D

Likewise!

Magellanclavicord, this is a flat earth forum where flat earth principles are discussed. If you want to discuss macrame, or recipes for chicken soup, maybe you'll find what you're looking for in the lounge?

As for the topic, I never suggested all people who believe the earth to be flat to be unhinged. But, the unhinged ones do tend to draw attention and have extreme hatred towards NASA. I totally agree there are more unhinged individuals in the world who believe the earth is a globe.

The danger with flat earth belief though, is that normally excludes one from participating in current world affairs. How can a flat earther engage in open discussion about the international space station, space travel, the moon, moon landings, fear of asteroids, the earth's relationship with the sun and moon, without there being disbelief? North Korea's long range nuclear missile capability, is radically changed between the accepted globe earth model and any flat earth model. How the hell does a flat earther explain tectonic plates, earth quakes, and tidal waves.

These are real life events which happen and are explained through understanding the earth as a globe.

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also. The argument it is just diversity in belief, is a bit incorrect when you start looking more into it.

That's why having round earthers here isn't necessarily a bad thing.

All of which is why I try to convince my fellow flat-Earthers that all that stuff is real: Gravity and space and the moon landings. And I try to convince my fellow flat-Earthers that NASA is actually what it seems to be: Not an evil cabal with nefarious purposes, but just an agency that launches satellites and takes pictures of weather patterns, etc. And that earthquakes and tsunamis and plate tectonics and climate change are all real. And that scientists are not lying to us.

Both sides think there's something wrong with me but I plod on.  :)

And thank you for your very thoughtful answer to the question in my OP.

Intetesting you feel the need to convince or disucss with fe about whats wrong with their views on the world.
Yet if an re does it, well thats not right at all.
And i could have a civil conversation but you chose to dodgedodge and deflect.
So i call you out on it.
Especially if you make absurd compairson between dumplongs vs tortilkas.

So plod on allyou like, but would be nice as a participat on a dicussion forum, to actually discuss something.

If scientists arent lying, how can one misunderstand a ball from a plate?
Ort how does one conclude flatness despite lack of any scientific material showing flatness?
You know why you think it.
Just say it.
And we can get jane to add you to the theory pile.

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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2019, 02:05:57 PM »
There's a thread in the FE believers forum just for complaining about RE members!

Statred by the King of angry flatties, wise!

So, without the RE component, this may as well be a knitting forum. Or perhaps a crocodile vs alligator forum, since dutchwad would likely still be involved.

So because one rather immature FEer complains about REers (and BTW, he complains about FEers also) you conclude that without REers this would be a knitting forum? That's kind of silly. But of course, as I've said over and over, everybody's welcome here regardless of what shape they think the Earth is. And some people are here to debate and others are here for other reasons. It's all good. We are the 1%. That is, the 1% of the internet that's neither porn nor cat videos.  ;)

Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2019, 03:25:53 AM »
I've been wondering lately: Why do round-Earthers (REers) come to the Flat-Earth Society? A quote commonly attributed to Einstein (probably incorrectly) says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. REers come here (which is fine, it's an open forum) where they know they will find FEers, and they present the same old arguments over and over again. I don't think I've ever seen an original or new argument in favor of a RE. And I doubt that any FEer has ever been swayed over to the RE camp by these arguments. So why do they bother? I know why I'm here: To find like-minded people to have friendly chats with. But a REer on these forums must feel awfully frustrated. Why do they subject themselves to this? There must be more enjoyable ways to pass their free time than arguing with us incessantly. And yet they trudge on, never converting anyone, but keep up the same old Arguments day after day; year after year. I don't understand it.

A question that gets asked a fair bit. I suspect most come here because, like me, they were curious as to how these people could think the earth is flat. It turns out, with one or two possible exceptions, that they don't. Most 'FEers' here are role-playing, here for the debate. That's why they're not chatting to themselves in the FE only forum. You could argue that the REers are here for the same reason, i.e. debate. Though I suspect quite a few are fooled by the 'FEers'.

Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #46 on: July 07, 2019, 06:54:05 AM »

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also.

Can I just add climate change (aka global warming).

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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2019, 07:54:49 AM »

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also.

Can I just add climate change (aka global warming).

No, earthquakes, tsunamis, and climate change are observable. I've never heard of a warning for a meteor shower, are they supposed to be dangerous?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2019, 08:15:38 AM »

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also.

Can I just add climate change (aka global warming).

No, earthquakes, tsunamis, and climate change are observable. I've never heard of a warning for a meteor shower, are they supposed to be dangerous?

The Chelyabinsk meteor caused some injuries, but there was no warning because it was too small to be detected in advance. Interestingly, most of the injuries were from breaking window glass: People saw the flash of light and ran to their windows to see what it was, and when the shock wave hit it broke windows and the people looking out were cut by the flying glass.

The regular meteor showers are composed of tiny particles that never get anywhere close to the ground. NASA tracks objects that might hit the Earth and are large enough to wipe out a city or end civilization. None have been found that could hit the Earth in the next few hundred years.

As for earthquakes, nobody has figured out how to predict those yet.

A few FEers are conspiracy buffs who think that "everything is a lie" but it seems more likely that they come to flat Earth by way of their conspiracy mind set, and not the other way around.

Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2019, 09:15:30 AM »

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also.

Can I just add climate change (aka global warming).

No, earthquakes, tsunamis, and climate change are observable. I've never heard of a warning for a meteor shower, are they supposed to be dangerous?

“Showers” of little ones aren’t.  Bigger ones are a serious threat.

Remember this?



I don’t think there were serious injuries that time, but if it had come in at a different angle and hit the ground instead of exploding in the atmosphere it would have been bad. Obviously the bigger the rock, the more damage it could do as well.

That’s why people are hard at work cataloguing and calculating orbits for as many that cross our path as they can.  Hopefully, if there’s any big risks out there, they’ll be spotted in time for us to do something about.

As for global (flatal?) warming.  Monitoring the situation involves satellites, models, projections and the whole science of trying to understand it as well as possible based on heliocentric system.

Flat Earth ideas would make a nonsense out of all that.  As well as potentially just degrading public faith in established science.

There’s a multi trillion dollar industry that would like us to believe we can carry on much as we do now.  I wouldn’t be surprised if we eventually find some of their fingerprints on the flat earth movement. 

That’s just idol speculation.  But no worse than flat earthers conspiracy tendencies.
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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #50 on: July 07, 2019, 10:18:52 AM »
There's a thread in the FE believers forum just for complaining about RE members!

Statred by the King of angry flatties, wise!

So, without the RE component, this may as well be a knitting forum. Or perhaps a crocodile vs alligator forum, since dutchwad would likely still be involved.

So because one rather immature FEer complains about REers (and BTW, he complains about FEers also) you conclude that without REers this would be a knitting forum? That's kind of silly. But of course, as I've said over and over, everybody's welcome here regardless of what shape they think the Earth is. And some people are here to debate and others are here for other reasons. It's all good. We are the 1%. That is, the 1% of the internet that's neither porn nor cat videos.  ;)

Yes, without RE here to call you flatties out on your incredible bullshirt, this would be no different than a knitting forum.

one big uninterrupted circle-jerk!
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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #51 on: July 07, 2019, 10:25:14 AM »

Yes, without RE here to call you flatties out on your incredible bullshirt, this would be no different than a knitting forum.

one big uninterrupted circle-jerk!

I think many people would be upset at your comparison of knitting to a circle jerk.

I for one will not be accepting any more hand made scarves or socks for Christmas.

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Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #52 on: July 07, 2019, 12:05:29 PM »

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also.

Can I just add climate change (aka global warming).

No, earthquakes, tsunamis, and climate change are observable. I've never heard of a warning for a meteor shower, are they supposed to be dangerous?

“Showers” of little ones aren’t.  Bigger ones are a serious threat.

Remember this?



I don’t think there were serious injuries that time, but if it had come in at a different angle and hit the ground instead of exploding in the atmosphere it would have been bad. Obviously the bigger the rock, the more damage it could do as well.

That’s why people are hard at work cataloguing and calculating orbits for as many that cross our path as they can.  Hopefully, if there’s any big risks out there, they’ll be spotted in time for us to do something about.

As for global (flatal?) warming.  Monitoring the situation involves satellites, models, projections and the whole science of trying to understand it as well as possible based on heliocentric system.

Flat Earth ideas would make a nonsense out of all that.  As well as potentially just degrading public faith in established science.

There’s a multi trillion dollar industry that would like us to believe we can carry on much as we do now.  I wouldn’t be surprised if we eventually find some of their fingerprints on the flat earth movement. 

That’s just idol speculation.  But no worse than flat earthers conspiracy tendencies.

As I noted above, there was no warning before the Chelyabinsk meteor. So your argument about heeding meteor warnings is moot.

As for FE influence in climate change denial, the oil companies and their political allies, including the baboon in the White House, are all round-Earthers. Claiming that FE is responsible for climate change denial is preposterous. You'd be better off sticking to factual arguments than claiming that FET is wrong because it might lead to silly behavior. If that argument were valid, we could argue that RET is wrong because REers start wars and were responsible for slavery and homophobia, and every horrible dictator in the past two hundred years was a round-Earther. See how your argument backfires?

Re: What's the deal with REers here?
« Reply #53 on: July 07, 2019, 06:07:33 PM »
What factual argmunet would there be for flat earth to be right?