Flat earth and physics

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Flat earth and physics
« on: June 14, 2019, 12:16:46 AM »
If flat earth would be correct, many areas of pysics must be incorrect.

Which areas exactly must be incorrect? Please choose from the list below and explain.

1 Classical mechanics
2 Thermodynamics and statistical mechanics
3 Electromagnetism and electronics
4 Relativity
5 Quantum mechanics
6 Optics, and atomic, molecular, and optical physics
7 Condensed matter physics
8 High energy/particle physics and nuclear physics
9 Cosmology

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2019, 01:06:48 AM »
can you give more details on any subject you choose? What contradicts and which solve you want to learn.
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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2019, 01:18:07 AM »
I really cannot.

But I 'heard' that - if the earth is flat - a lot of physics is not as teached in school etc. Example: Gravity.

So what else?

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2019, 10:28:44 AM »
Astrophysics is an excellent example. Stellar spectroscopy tells us that the Sun(and most other stars) are huge balls of fusing hydrogen and helium. That doesn't mesh well with most flat earth models of the Sun.
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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2019, 01:31:17 PM »
It's a common happening to me, that I ALWAYS found falacy everytime I researched something. Even for "hard science" called maths. In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.

As to physics, there are much more evidences of falacies. I even predicted all part of physics are already corrupted.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2019, 01:43:04 PM by Danang »
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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2019, 02:17:59 PM »
It's a common happening to me, that I ALWAYS found falacy everytime I researched something. Even for "hard science" called maths. In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.

As to physics, there are much more evidences of falacies. I even predicted all part of physics are already corrupted.
Strange that nobody agrees with you.

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2019, 03:24:48 PM »
It's a common happening to me, that I ALWAYS found falacy everytime I researched something. Even for "hard science" called maths. In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.
In other words, you think that your error-prone measurements are better than the work of all the mathematicians from Archimedes on.
That's a typical flat earth earther attitude!

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As to physics, there are much more evidences of falacies. I even predicted all part of physics are already corrupted.
Really? What are those "parts of physics are already corrupted"? That is the question in the OP:
If flat earth would be correct, many areas of pysics must be incorrect.

Which areas exactly must be incorrect? Please choose from the list below and explain.

1 Classical mechanics
2 Thermodynamics and statistical mechanics
3 Electromagnetism and electronics
4 Relativity
5 Quantum mechanics
6 Optics, and atomic, molecular, and optical physics
7 Condensed matter physics
8 High energy/particle physics and nuclear physics
9 Cosmology


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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2019, 05:00:17 PM »
It's a common happening to me, that I ALWAYS found falacy everytime I researched something. Even for "hard science" called maths. In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.

As to physics, there are much more evidences of falacies. I even predicted all part of physics are already corrupted.
Strange that nobody agrees with you.

That's quite okay. By the way this is what the sun looks like. ;)

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2019, 05:17:27 PM »
It's a common happening to me, that I ALWAYS found falacy everytime I researched something. Even for "hard science" called maths. In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.
In other words, you think that your error-prone measurements are better than the work of all the mathematicians from Archimedes on.
That's a typical flat earth earther attitude!

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As to physics, there are much more evidences of falacies. I even predicted all part of physics are already corrupted.
Really? What are those "parts of physics are already corrupted"? That is the question in the OP:
If flat earth would be correct, many areas of pysics must be incorrect.

Which areas exactly must be incorrect? Please choose from the list below and explain.

1 Classical mechanics
2 Thermodynamics and statistical mechanics
3 Electromagnetism and electronics
4 Relativity
5 Quantum mechanics
6 Optics, and atomic, molecular, and optical physics
7 Condensed matter physics
8 High energy/particle physics and nuclear physics
9 Cosmology

I haven't reseached all physics subject. But prevous experience confirms that physics is problematic. That's why I predicted with that way.

I found engineers that honestly admit "mystery" about certain phenomena in physics such as tornado, gravity, take off etc.
How come some people are so "confident" in explaining about things basically "mysteries" by repeating the contents in textbooks as if those explanations are logical and already final.
Debates among non flatearth scientists are real, but the issues in those debates ain't viral.
Some of them tried to write books about another alternative of Pi while the majority keep silent about it and continueing hold Pi Day. Wt... ;D
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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2019, 05:20:11 PM »
It's a common happening to me, that I ALWAYS found falacy everytime I researched something. Even for "hard science" called maths. In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.

As to physics, there are much more evidences of falacies. I even predicted all part of physics are already corrupted.
Strange that nobody agrees with you.
That's quite okay. By the way this is what the sun looks like. ;)

The sun looks nothing like that here. It looks like this when near setting:

Weipa Sunset

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2019, 06:06:08 PM »
👉 Advan Gaia cellphone 👈. Try this at home ;)
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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2019, 06:17:00 PM »
Here is at 2016, march solar eclipse. You can download it, or stream it into wide screen TV and then make a new video from the TV. ;)

https://www.4shared.com/video/byB9Uu6pce/VID_20160309_064054.html
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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2019, 06:20:09 PM »
In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.


I'd like to hear more about this.

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2019, 06:22:14 PM »
The sun is a rotating body within a transparent sphere. This is theory from a PHEW Text Book ;D
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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2019, 06:31:36 PM »
In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.


I'd like to hear more about this.

The calculation method for Pi has flaw i.e. sacrificing a number of tiny fractions in the name of "approximation".
It's obligatory for Pi to be MORE than just 3.14159.

Within 45° the ratio for a circle line segment over the radius is 0.79289 : 1.

Phew = 4 [ (SinX) + (1-CosX)² ] OR 4 [ (SinX)² + (1-CosX) ] = 3.17157
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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2019, 06:55:46 PM »
In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.


I'd like to hear more about this.

The calculation method for Pi has flaw i.e. sacrificing a number of tiny fractions in the name of "approximation".
It's obligatory for Pi to be MORE than just 3.14159.

Within 45° the ratio for a circle line segment over the radius is 0.79289 : 1.

Phew = 4 [ (SinX) + (1-CosX)² ] OR 4 [ (SinX)² + (1-CosX) ] = 3.17157

Why are you calling it Phew? Why not just say Pi actually equals 3.17157? It's like you're saying there is a new constant that no one is considering.

Is Pi = 3.14 incorrect? Or is it true that Pi = 3.14 and Phew = 3.17?

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2019, 07:00:11 PM »
They are all wrong anyway except s=vt. i mean even for RE
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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2019, 08:51:42 PM »
In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.


I'd like to hear more about this.

The calculation method for Pi has flaw i.e. sacrificing a number of tiny fractions in the name of "approximation".
It's obligatory for Pi to be MORE than just 3.14159.

Within 45° the ratio for a circle line segment over the radius is 0.79289 : 1.

Phew = 4 [ (SinX) + (1-CosX)² ] OR 4 [ (SinX)² + (1-CosX) ] = 3.17157

Why are you calling it Phew? Why not just say Pi actually equals 3.17157? It's like you're saying there is a new constant that no one is considering.

Is Pi = 3.14 incorrect? Or is it true that Pi = 3.14 and Phew = 3.17?

Why Phew? Because we belong to people that like to play words ;D

People know Pi = 3.14 which is incorrect. I proposed the correct one with another name to differ with the old C/D value.
Phew = 3.17 is provable if you use the right tools i.e. a cylinder and a paper tape. By this tools it's hard even to approach Pi=3.14 which is shorter than it should be.

Half Phew = Tempe = 1.5857864 is a special number. By inductive way in figuring out the new formulas I found surprising "coinsidences" which almost apply to all constant calculations for circle related objects with various dimesions:

C = 4 Tempe = 6.34314
A = 2 Tempe = 3.17157
cylinder V = 4 Tempe = 6.34314
cylinder A = 8 Tempe = 12.68628
spherical V = Tempe^3 = 3.987806
spherical A = 2 Tempe^4 = 12.647619
cone V = 1/2 Tempe^3 = 1.993903

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2019, 08:52:20 PM »
They are all wrong anyway except s=vt. i mean even for RE

Why is it?
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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2019, 09:32:23 PM »
In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.


I'd like to hear more about this.

The calculation method for Pi has flaw i.e. sacrificing a number of tiny fractions in the name of "approximation".
It's obligatory for Pi to be MORE than just 3.14159.

Within 45° the ratio for a circle line segment over the radius is 0.79289 : 1.

Phew = 4 [ (SinX) + (1-CosX)² ] OR 4 [ (SinX)² + (1-CosX) ] = 3.17157

Why are you calling it Phew? Why not just say Pi actually equals 3.17157? It's like you're saying there is a new constant that no one is considering.

Is Pi = 3.14 incorrect? Or is it true that Pi = 3.14 and Phew = 3.17?

Why Phew? Because we belong to people that like to play words ;D

People know Pi = 3.14 which is incorrect.
No, people know that π = 3.14 to 2 decimal places, 3.14159 to 5 places, 3.141592653589793 to 15 places.

You complain about the errors due to the "little umbrellas" in some of the earlier graphical methods but that can always be reduced.
You measurement methods also have errors because I doubt the you could measure circumferences to better than ±0.5 mm.
And there is not much that you can do to reduce that error but the error in the mathematical approximation methods can be made as small as you like.

So, like it or not, your Phew has some unknown error built in but  π can be calculated as accurately as needed.

But it is rarely needed to better than the 15 places given above.

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2019, 06:48:53 PM »
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They are all wrong anyway except s=vt. i mean even for RE

Why is it?

because both Einsteinian and Newtonian mathematical models of the gravity are wrong - already proved

Guess law is derived from Newton law of gravity

Einstein's time dilation, relativity, etc are also wrong - already proved

rest are derived from Einsteinian and Newtonian mathematical models

similarly, the multiplication of goats and trees has no useful meaning in both physics and math because they can't be multiplied and the same is applied to momentum which = mass x velocity and all similar equation in physics

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2019, 10:11:45 PM »
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They are all wrong anyway except s=vt. i mean even for RE
Why is it?
because both Einsteinian and Newtonian mathematical models of the gravity are wrong - already proved
No! That "both Einsteinian and Newtonian mathematical models of the gravity" are accurate is based on very strong evidence.
Newton's Laws of Motion and Universal Gravitation are quite accurate within regions where velocities and gravitational fields are "not too high".

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Guess law is derived from Newton law of gravity
I've never heard of "Guess law" but if you mean "Gauss's Law" it was not "derived from Newton law of gravity"!
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Gauss's Law
The total of the electric flux out of a closed surface is equal to the charge enclosed divided by the permittivity.
"Gauss's Law" can be applied to solving problems involving Newtonian gravitation"!

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Einstein's time dilation, relativity, etc are also wrong - already proved
No! That "Einstein's time dilation, relativity, etc" are correct is based on very strong evidence.

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rest are derived from Einsteinian and Newtonian mathematical models

similarly, the multiplication of goats and trees has no useful meaning in both physics and math because they can't be multiplied and the same is applied to momentum which = mass x velocity and all similar equation in physics
E E K, you haven't the slightest idea about physics have you?

In physics it is incorrect to add or subtract quantities with different units but is is quite legitimate to multiply or divide them when the units are correct for the whole equation.

So momentum is defined as mass x velocity So in the SI System has units of kg.m.t-1.
And force is mass x acceleration [/b] So in the SI System has units of kg.m.t-2.

Where did you get these strange ideas from?

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2019, 09:54:51 AM »
Eek still needs to figure out why light bounces/ scatters in all directions.

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2019, 10:03:51 AM »
The title should be "Flat earth OR physics"
The Universal Accelerator is a constant farce.

Flattery will get you nowhere.

From the FAQ - "In general, we at the Flat Earth Society do not lend much credibility to photographic evidence."

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2019, 12:29:24 PM »
In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.


I'd like to hear more about this.

Are you sure?  I try to stay away from this one myself.


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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2019, 01:01:31 PM »
Not exactly physics, but you could add the fields of geology, meteorology and oceanography.

Many of physics examples depend on individual flat earther claims.  eg. a small sun conflicts with nuclear physics at least without an alternative, trying to replace gravity with just density and buoyancy makes a nonsense of everything.

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2019, 05:44:15 PM »
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No! That "both Einsteinian and Newtonian mathematical models of the gravity" are accurate is based on very strong evidence.
Newton's Laws of Motion and Universal Gravitation are quite accurate within regions where velocities and gravitational fields are "not too hig
h".

ok ill provide you with proof one by one. Let's start from the Galileo in the following link

*Is Galileo's statement correct, theoretically?*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Equations_for_a_falling_body#Is_Galileo.27s_statement_correct.2C_theoretically.3F

repeat the Galileo experiment with two different masses say 5 kg and 100kg but don't drop them simultaneously.
drop 5kg from height h and note the striking timing of earth and 5 kg, then
drop 10kg from the same height h and note the striking timing of earth and 100kg
you will find two different striking times - gravity (g) of 100 kg mass is greater than the gravity (g) of 5kg mass - agree.
so the earth will accelerate faster towards 100 kg mass as compared to 5kg mass

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In physics it is incorrect to add or subtract quantities with different units but is is quite legitimate to multiply or divide them when the units are correct for the whole equation.

So momentum is defined as mass x velocity So in the SI System has units of kg.m.t-1.
And force is mass x acceleration [/b] So in the SI System has units of kg.m.t-2.

Where did you get these strange ideas from?

multiply 3 goats with 5 trees
3 x5 = 15 goat.tree so can pls tell me what does meant by 15 goat.tree what kind of unit is goat.tree

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In physics it is incorrect to add or subtract quantities with different units but is is quite legitimate to multiply or divide them when the units are correct for the whole equation.

any reference pls
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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2019, 07:30:31 PM »
In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.


I'd like to hear more about this.

Are you sure?  I try to stay away from this one myself.

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2019, 10:15:17 PM »
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In physics it is incorrect to add or subtract quantities with different units but is is quite legitimate to multiply or divide them when the units are correct for the whole equation.

So momentum is defined as mass x velocity So in the SI System has units of kg.m.t-1.
And force is mass x acceleration [/b] So in the SI System has units of kg.m.t-2.

Where did you get these strange ideas from?

multiply 3 goats with 5 trees
3 x5 = 15 goat.tree so can pls tell me what does meant by 15 goat.tree what kind of unit is goat.tree

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In physics it is incorrect to add or subtract quantities with different units but is is quite legitimate to multiply or divide them when the units are correct for the whole equation.

any reference pls
Firstly  goats and trees are not "quantities in physics".

How many thousand do you want?
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PHYSICS EQUATIONS AND FORMULAS: Physics For Dummies,

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Here’s a list of some important physics formulas and equations to keep on hand — arranged by topic — so you don’t have to go searching to find them.

ANGULAR MOTION
Equations of angular motion are relevant wherever you have rotational motions around an axis. When the object has rotated through an angle of θ with an angular velocity of ω and an angular acceleration of α, then you can use these equations to tie these values together.



FORCES
A mass, m, accelerates at a rate, a, due to a force, F, acting. Frictional forces, FF, are in proportion to the normal force between the materials, FN, with a coefficient of friction, μ. Two masses, m1 and m2, separated by a distance, r, attract each other with a gravitational force, given by the following equations, in proportion to the gravitational constant G:


This quantities, force, mass, angular velocity etc all have different units but they can be combined in various ways.

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Re: Flat earth and physics
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2019, 11:58:39 PM »
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No! That "both Einsteinian and Newtonian mathematical models of the gravity" are accurate is based on very strong evidence.
Newton's Laws of Motion and Universal Gravitation are quite accurate within regions where velocities and gravitational fields are "not too high".

ok ill provide you with proof one by one. Let's start from the Galileo in the following link

*Is Galileo's statement correct, theoretically?*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Equations_for_a_falling_body#Is_Galileo.27s_statement_correct.2C_theoretically.3F

repeat the Galileo experiment with two different masses say 5 kg and 100kg but don't drop them simultaneously.
drop 5kg from height h and note the striking timing of earth and 5 kg, then
drop 10kg from the same height h and note the striking timing of earth and 100kg
you will find two different striking times - gravity (g) of 100 kg mass is greater than the gravity (g) of 5kg mass - agree.
so the earth will accelerate faster towards 100 kg mass as compared to 5kg mass
That is not evidence that either "the Einsteinian or the Newtonian mathematical models of the gravity" are incorrect!

But you are being ridiculous! Galileo had no accurate timepieces anyway!