Upwards shadow at clouds from a mountain

you are fully discredited.
say something intelligent and we can continue discussions.

you ignore the fact that the sun is behind a spherical water wall that causes light refraction. calculate it again, but this time, considering the factor I said.

I've already drawed how it works.

Quote from: Macarios on June 18, 2019, 02:23:49 AM

They say Sun is 5000 km high and 51 km in diameter (32 miles).
If you are in Mineapolis at solar noon for Equinox, Sun will have angular diameter of 2 * ArcTg(25.5 / 7071) = 0.41 degrees.
In reality we see angular diameter of 0.53 degrees, which means Sun ahs to be 2 * tg(0.275) * 7071 = 65 km = 40 miles.
(7071 km is distance along the line of sight because the ground distance from Mineapolis to Equator is 5000 km and Sun is 5000 km above it.)

To reach vanishing point Sun has to look as small as 0.0167 degrees (1 arc minute).
Remember, the 0.0167 degrees (1/60 of a degree) is not only vertically but also horizontally.

With 65 km in diameter it has to be (65/2) / tg(0.0167/2) = 223 450 km away.
There is not enough room under the dome. The whole diameter of the flat disc is 40 000 km.
It is 5.5 times smaller.

Even if it was just 51 km in diameter, it would have to be (51/2) / tg(0.0167/2) = 175 325 km away.
Still can't fit.
40 000 km is still 4.3 times smaller.

Even at that distance Sun would keep floating at ArcTg(5000 / 175 325) = 1.6 degrees above the horizon.

And still 5000 - 6 = 4994 kilometers higher than the highest clouds.

Another option would be if light simply stops at 10 000 km from Sun and we don't see it any more.
Then how that light hits tops of high mountains and tall buildings further away behind us?

The third option would be for Sun to hide behind something for sunset and sunrise, but that's what FE is trying to avoid.

you ignore the fact that the sun is behind a spherical water wall that causes light refraction. calculate it again, but this time, considering the factor I said.

I'm a big cry baby
 
Sorry, I have to do it because of bot protection. Unfortunately our management could not achieved to defend us from bots. You know what I mean.

Quote from: wise on June 18, 2019, 05:04:13 AM

I'm a big cry baby
 
Sorry, I have to do it because of bot protection. Unfortunately our management could not achieved to defend us from bots. You know what I mean.

If you want to do it for bot protection you need to obfuscate the text.
Computers are very good at reading well formatted text with well known fonts.
All I need to do is upload your image to google drive then tell it to open in google docs, and I get all the text.

Now again, stop just imaging I say what you want me to.
I don't care about the garbage image you have posted.
That image does not help your case.
I'm not denying that you have posted a completely irrelevant image.
I accept that you have spammed such an image.
Repeatedly spamming it as if it magically solves your problem is just further showing you have no answer.

Again, what direction is the light in your image?
DOWNWARDS!
Do you understand that?
The direction of the light in your image is going downwards towards Earth.
This means if it hits a mountain, the mountain will cast an image which goes downwards towards Earth.
Notice how this is not going upwards, towards a cloud?

What you need to show is light going upwards from below the mountain, towards the top of the mountain such that it can then cast a shadow on a cloud above the mountain.
Refraction doesn't magically make the light go upwards, no matter how hard you try and how much you practice your spells.

As you are just spamming the same image which doesn't address the issue at all, I haven't been lying.
You repeatedly claiming to have been able to address the issues means you have been lying (as you haven't addressed the issue).


So I will ask again, can you provide an explanation (preferably with an image) which shows how the light goes upwards.
Note the image needs to show the light going upwards, hitting a mountain, and casting a shadow on a cloud above the mountain.

Quote from: JackBlack on June 18, 2019, 01:55:17 PM

Quote from: wise on June 18, 2019, 05:04:13 AM

I'm a big cry baby
 
Sorry, I have to do it because of bot protection. Unfortunately our management could not achieved to defend us from bots. You know what I mean.

If you want to do it for bot protection you need to obfuscate the text.
Computers are very good at reading well formatted text with well known fonts.
All I need to do is upload your image to google drive then tell it to open in google docs, and I get all the text.

Now again, stop just imaging I say what you want me to.
I don't care about the garbage image you have posted.
That image does not help your case.
I'm not denying that you have posted a completely irrelevant image.
I accept that you have spammed such an image.
Repeatedly spamming it as if it magically solves your problem is just further showing you have no answer.

Again, what direction is the light in your image?
DOWNWARDS!
Do you understand that?
The direction of the light in your image is going downwards towards Earth.
This means if it hits a mountain, the mountain will cast an image which goes downwards towards Earth.
Notice how this is not going upwards, towards a cloud?

What you need to show is light going upwards from below the mountain, towards the top of the mountain such that it can then cast a shadow on a cloud above the mountain.
Refraction doesn't magically make the light go upwards, no matter how hard you try and how much you practice your spells.

As you are just spamming the same image which doesn't address the issue at all, I haven't been lying.
You repeatedly claiming to have been able to address the issues means you have been lying (as you haven't addressed the issue).


So I will ask again, can you provide an explanation (preferably with an image) which shows how the light goes upwards.
Note the image needs to show the light going upwards, hitting a mountain, and casting a shadow on a cloud above the mountain.

In the one hand, you are targeting me with two or three accounts.

On the other hand, whenever I knock out you then your fans admins are deleting my posts to hide your being knock out.

It is obviously admins are deleting me to provocate and stop me. This is their main target. Because you are crying them. Since you are their boss they have to be obey your orders to stop me.

Are you thinking it is required to reply all your baseless statements are not worth than a shit but more worth than our admins?

Aside from all of the above. You wrote to Macarios, "You ignore the fact ...

Quote from: Stash on June 18, 2019, 06:42:07 PM

Aside from all of the above. You wrote to Macarios, "You ignore the fact ...

I'm glad to see you have awared I have wrote to Macarios, but not to you.

This is public forum and threads are not private correspondence between you and me.

He or everyone else has right to join the conversation.

About the "Spherical Water Wall", here is diagram, show us where is the Sun and how sunlight gets to the horizon.

Add Sun here and add the missing part of the sunbeam from Sun to horizon.

Drawing

I do not remember I said its being forbid, and you?

I've ignored him

A diagram's showing something is your own thoughts. There is not a value in the name of being an evidence.

the way you draw is not the same as my subject.

this also has to do with the fact that angular size is a reverse trigonometric function.

Please calculate the appearent size of an object has 100 km high and 6000 kms distance to the observe point first.

that is, where the sun sets, the place where the dome seems like touches the ground and the horizon meet in the same place.

You cannot see 6,000 kmeters horizontally with the naked eye, an object at that distance merges on the horizon. This also has to do with the fact that angular size is
a reverse trigonometric function. The dome is not closed in the form of a semicircle. So the angular size quickly shrinks to you according to observe point  at the horizon
at 6000 km with a difference you can't notice. I hope you can understand that. I hope you can get this.

There isn't a gap between dome and atmoflat.

The highness of the dome is 100 kms.

Please calculate the appearent size of an object has 100 km high and 6000 kms distance to the observe point first.

If you draw it considering centered observe point and dome's apperance depends on its angular size to observe point then this turns a realistic drawing can be talked about.

If Dome exists it covers the whole Earth.

Looking from Africa you see Sun sets somewhere in Brazil?

Why people don't see end of the Dome there?

In reality your horizon is much closer.

Stand at a beach by the sea:
Sun during sunset is 6000 miles away, horizon is 3 miles away.

I tried to understand, but, as I said, horizon is not 6000 km away. You know it very well.

If we apply standard refraction then:
If you are 2 m above the sea, horizon is 5.45 km away.
If you are 1 km above the sea, horizon is 96 km away.
If you are 10 km above the sea, horizon is at 304 km.
If you are 100 km above the sea, horizon is at 966 km.

And you say that Dome is directly at 100 km.

Do you see now what is the problem?

<off topic>

Right now, at this very moment, I think that it is important to imagine two people looking at the Sun simultaneously from two places very far away from each other.

Where is the dome for some guy in Istanbul, and where will guy from Madrid see that same dome?

Guy in Madrid will have Sun still 32.8 degrees away from sunset.
Time difference is 2 hours and 10 minutes and the distance is 2740 km.

And in reality Sun travels at the constant speed of 15 degrees per hour.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

If Dome exists it covers the whole Earth.

Correct. Limit of dome may be more or at least equal to earth limit.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

Looking from Africa you see Sun sets somewhere in Brazil?

Nope. You see sun sets somewhere at skyline. it just means you can't see it anymore.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

Why people don't see end of the Dome there?

because dome is further. Again, you see the skyline, not the Brasil when you see the sun setting. Suns image unites to skyline when it setting.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

In reality your horizon is much closer.

What you mean with reality, which reality, reality to whom?

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

Stand at a beach by the sea:
Sun during sunset is 6000 miles away, horizon is 3 miles away.

It simply explains why can not you see the sun after setting. disappears behind the sea wave. you can see more if there was not waves. As a note so it is not 6000 miles but 6000kms, if I remember it true. We Europeans except Englishes and a few use metric system.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

I tried to understand, but, as I said, horizon is not 6000 km away. You know it very well.

If we apply standard refraction then:
If you are 2 m above the sea, horizon is 5.45 km away.
If you are 1 km above the sea, horizon is 96 km away.
If you are 10 km above the sea, horizon is at 304 km.
If you are 100 km above the sea, horizon is at 966 km.

And you say that Dome is directly at 100 km.

Do you see now what is the problem?

There is nothing at there claim horizon's being 6000 kms. I said "you can not see anything 600kms HORIZONTALY". This is horizontal, not "horizon'tal". It means flat, level,...

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

<off topic>

Since you've missunderstood what I meant so you have did some explanations but I am passing this part.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

Right now, at this very moment, I think that it is important to imagine two people looking at the Sun simultaneously from two places very far away from each other.

Where is the dome for some guy in Istanbul, and where will guy from Madrid see that same dome?

Guy in Madrid will have Sun still 32.8 degrees away from sunset.
Time difference is 2 hours and 10 minutes and the distance is 2740 km.

And in reality Sun travels at the constant speed of 15 degrees per hour.

this should be calculated by experiments. The outer shape of the dome is also important here. We have an estimate about it but our estimates may be a bit different. also because of light refraction and angular size you can not see the sun exactly where it is located. however, the shape of the dome can be calculated by trial and error. Since the so called scientists have nothing with real science I don't guess this will be done in a soon next.

I can't read and reply your post
    

Quote from: wise on June 26, 2019, 02:06:39 AM

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

If Dome exists it covers the whole Earth.

Correct. Limit of dome may be more or at least equal to earth limit.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

Looking from Africa you see Sun sets somewhere in Brazil?

Nope. You see sun sets somewhere at skyline. it just means you can't see it anymore.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

Why people don't see end of the Dome there?

because dome is further. Again, you see the skyline, not the Brasil when you see the sun setting. Suns image unites to skyline when it setting.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

In reality your horizon is much closer.

What you mean with reality, which reality, reality to whom?

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

Stand at a beach by the sea:
Sun during sunset is 6000 miles away, horizon is 3 miles away.

It simply explains why can not you see the sun after setting. disappears behind the sea wave. you can see more if there was not waves. As a note so it is not 6000 miles but 6000kms, if I remember it true. We Europeans except Englishes and a few use metric system.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

I tried to understand, but, as I said, horizon is not 6000 km away. You know it very well.

If we apply standard refraction then:
If you are 2 m above the sea, horizon is 5.45 km away.
If you are 1 km above the sea, horizon is 96 km away.
If you are 10 km above the sea, horizon is at 304 km.
If you are 100 km above the sea, horizon is at 966 km.

And you say that Dome is directly at 100 km.

Do you see now what is the problem?

There is nothing at there claim horizon's being 6000 kms. I said "you can not see anything 600kms HORIZONTALY". This is horizontal, not "horizon'tal". It means flat, level,...

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

<off topic>

Since you've missunderstood what I meant so you have did some explanations but I am passing this part.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

Right now, at this very moment, I think that it is important to imagine two people looking at the Sun simultaneously from two places very far away from each other.

Where is the dome for some guy in Istanbul, and where will guy from Madrid see that same dome?

Guy in Madrid will have Sun still 32.8 degrees away from sunset.
Time difference is 2 hours and 10 minutes and the distance is 2740 km.

And in reality Sun travels at the constant speed of 15 degrees per hour.

this should be calculated by experiments. The outer shape of the dome is also important here. We have an estimate about it but our estimates may be a bit different. also because of light refraction and angular size you can not see the sun exactly where it is located. however, the shape of the dome can be calculated by trial and error. Since the so called scientists have nothing with real science I don't guess this will be done in a soon next.

Read your post again, slowly.
Then read your previous post, also slowly.

Compare.

You are contradicting yourself.

You don't even remember what you wrote two posts ago.

Quote from: wise on June 26, 2019, 02:06:39 AM

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

If Dome exists it covers the whole Earth.

Correct. Limit of dome may be more or at least equal to earth limit.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

Looking from Africa you see Sun sets somewhere in Brazil?

Nope. You see sun sets somewhere at skyline. it just means you can't see it anymore.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

Why people don't see end of the Dome there?

because dome is further. Again, you see the skyline, not the Brasil when you see the sun setting. Suns image unites to skyline when it setting.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

In reality your horizon is much closer.

What you mean with reality, which reality, reality to whom?

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

Stand at a beach by the sea:
Sun during sunset is 6000 miles away, horizon is 3 miles away.

It simply explains why can not you see the sun after setting. disappears behind the sea wave. you can see more if there was not waves. As a note so it is not 6000 miles but 6000kms, if I remember it true. We Europeans except Englishes and a few use metric system.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

I tried to understand, but, as I said, horizon is not 6000 km away. You know it very well.

If we apply standard refraction then:
If you are 2 m above the sea, horizon is 5.45 km away.
If you are 1 km above the sea, horizon is 96 km away.
If you are 10 km above the sea, horizon is at 304 km.
If you are 100 km above the sea, horizon is at 966 km.

And you say that Dome is directly at 100 km.

Do you see now what is the problem?

There is nothing at there claim horizon's being 6000 kms. I said "you can not see anything 600kms HORIZONTALY". This is horizontal, not "horizon'tal". It means flat, level,...

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

<off topic>

Since you've missunderstood what I meant so you have did some explanations but I am passing this part.

Quote from: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:20:35 PM

Right now, at this very moment, I think that it is important to imagine two people looking at the Sun simultaneously from two places very far away from each other.

Where is the dome for some guy in Istanbul, and where will guy from Madrid see that same dome?

Guy in Madrid will have Sun still 32.8 degrees away from sunset.
Time difference is 2 hours and 10 minutes and the distance is 2740 km.

And in reality Sun travels at the constant speed of 15 degrees per hour.

this should be calculated by experiments. The outer shape of the dome is also important here. We have an estimate about it but our estimates may be a bit different. also because of light refraction and angular size you can not see the sun exactly where it is located. however, the shape of the dome can be calculated by trial and error. Since the so called scientists have nothing with real science I don't guess this will be done in a soon next.

Read your post again, slowly.
Then read your previous post, also slowly.

Compare.

You are contradicting yourself.

You don't even remember what you wrote two posts ago.

How can he remeber?
Hes spamming on every possible active thread.
Like 10000 posts.

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 26, 2019, 05:26:03 AM

How can he remeber?
Hes spamming on every possible active thread.
Like 10000 posts.

Replying all the statements and spamming are different things. if I'm giving an answer to the all questions that may be an answer to it, it's not called spam, but it's hard working.