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Sunlight on a flat Earth map

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Souleon

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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2019, 09:27:48 AM »
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on May 20, 2019, 12:34:51 AM
Please point out where the information presented by Souleon in the YouTube video and his two statements proves that the Sun changes shape. Remember, the question is "Did this convince you and if not, why not?" where I specifically stated my assumption about what was meant by "this."

First post:
Quote from: Souleon on May 14, 2019, 01:23:10 AM
There is obviously no way that the sun, which we can observe as a single spherical light source, could result in all these light/shadow patterns on a flat earth.

and a bit later:
Quote from: Souleon on May 16, 2019, 10:56:22 PM
But to get something like in video minute 1:00, you would need something like a halo sun, which we don't see every day for several months. That's why I wrote "single spherical light source".

The problem is really that you cannot light an area from a single spherical light source while having a dark center without shadowing. It's like having a light bulb in front of a wall and seeing a separated shadow on the wall without something in between OR seeing shadows on the wall without seeing an object in front of the light bulb --> both won't happen.


 
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2019, 09:57:04 AM »
Quote from: JackBlack on May 19, 2019, 11:30:51 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 19, 2019, 02:56:55 PM
"How does illuminate the world?" What are you talking about? Please use proper grammar.
You should know what I am talking about, even with the typo, as I have raised the issue before.
Again, hypothetically when the sun is at its southern most point, taking south as the bottom of your map and north as the top, how does the northern region get illuminated while the region in the middle is in darkness?
It makes no sense at all.

I have brought up this issue before and you just repeatedly deflected then ran away.

Here is an image, derived from the one provided on your site:

Please explain how Alaska/West America, Eastern Russia and Australia/NZ have daytime/are illuminated by the sun, but Africa and England are not.
Please draw in your nice roughly circular patch of light.
I can draw one in quite easily thanks to your longitude lines:

Notice how instead of a circle of light we get a circle of darkness?
But don't worry, you can still get the semicircle of light/dark and various other shapes.

The hemispheres aren't evenly lit like that. Learn what seasons are.
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Souleon

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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2019, 10:08:59 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 09:57:04 AM
The hemispheres aren't evenly lit like that. Learn what seasons are.

Its just a sketch showing the main problem on a bipolar map. The correct shape will not solve this problem. The correct seasons are in the video from the original post or also in the following video, made by the same person, where the real life sun viewing vectors are added:

So Mr. Bishop, did you ask yourself what it means that we can see only one sun at the same time while the viewing angles point only on a globe into the same direction but not on a flat earth?

And about your "atom layer": From which elements is it made of? How are they supposed to have enough binding energy for such a large area? And as Rabinoz said, it would be as good as transparent to light, since the reflection probability is way too low for a single layer of atoms.
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2019, 12:34:23 PM »
Quote from: Souleon on May 20, 2019, 09:27:48 AM
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on May 20, 2019, 12:34:51 AM
Please point out where the information presented by Souleon in the YouTube video and his two statements proves that the Sun changes shape. Remember, the question is "Did this convince you and if not, why not?" where I specifically stated my assumption about what was meant by "this."

First post:
Quote from: Souleon on May 14, 2019, 01:23:10 AM
There is obviously no way that the sun, which we can observe as a single spherical light source, could result in all these light/shadow patterns on a flat earth.

and a bit later:
Quote from: Souleon on May 16, 2019, 10:56:22 PM
But to get something like in video minute 1:00, you would need something like a halo sun, which we don't see every day for several months. That's why I wrote "single spherical light source".

The problem is really that you cannot light an area from a single spherical light source while having a dark center without shadowing. It's like having a light bulb in front of a wall and seeing a separated shadow on the wall without something in between OR seeing shadows on the wall without seeing an object in front of the light bulb --> both won't happen.

"Please point out where the information presented by Souleon in the YouTube video and his two statements proves that the Sun changes shape."

I guess you're having a spot of bother with the distinction between "assert" and "prove."
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2019, 01:20:04 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 09:57:04 AM
Quote from: JackBlack on May 19, 2019, 11:30:51 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 19, 2019, 02:56:55 PM
"How does illuminate the world?" What are you talking about? Please use proper grammar.
You should know what I am talking about, even with the typo, as I have raised the issue before.
Again, hypothetically when the sun is at its southern most point, taking south as the bottom of your map and north as the top, how does the northern region get illuminated while the region in the middle is in darkness?
It makes no sense at all.

I have brought up this issue before and you just repeatedly deflected then ran away.

Here is an image, derived from the one provided on your site:

Please explain how Alaska/West America, Eastern Russia and Australia/NZ have daytime/are illuminated by the sun, but Africa and England are not.
Please draw in your nice roughly circular patch of light.
I can draw one in quite easily thanks to your longitude lines:

Notice how instead of a circle of light we get a circle of darkness?
But don't worry, you can still get the semicircle of light/dark and various other shapes.

The hemispheres aren't evenly lit like that. Learn what seasons are.

Extrapolating Time and Date to a bipolar model, it looks somewhat like this, odd:

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2019, 01:26:58 PM »
That's a placeholder map. It says so right on the Bi-Polar model page:

https://wiki.tfes.org/Bi-Polar_Model

"There are a wide variety of continental layout possibilities for Bi-Polar map. The continental layout is unknown and has yet to be fully researched due to ambiguities of jet streams, flight routing, and non-direct flights. The Bi-Polar model is sometimes illustrated with vertical ovals, vertical circles, or with a placeholder map."

You will need to address every possible configuration and layout.

And you will also prove that the daylight times are true for all locations on earth for all times of the year. Where does that data come from and how was it made? If you are not providing this information with whatever you present, then your analysis is invalid. Was someone in the middle of the ocean  at all points around Antarctica cataloging what happens?

If the data is not based on real observations, then your analysis is invalid.
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2019, 02:43:37 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
That's a placeholder map. It says so right on the Bi-Polar model page:

https://wiki.tfes.org/Bi-Polar_Model

"There are a wide variety of continental layout possibilities for Bi-Polar map. The continental layout is unknown and has yet to be fully researched due to ambiguities of jet streams, flight routing, and non-direct flights. The Bi-Polar model is sometimes illustrated with vertical ovals, vertical circles, or with a placeholder map."

You will need to address every possible configuration and layout.

That's your problem not ours!

The earth has been progressively more accurately for many centuries and those measurements have bee used to successfully navigate the earth.

Those measurements available long before any satellite mapping were quite accurate enough to enable long-distance flights over oceans using no more than celestial navigation.

If the directions were not correct then the planes would have flown off course and if the distances were not correct they would have run out of fuel.
If you doubt this, I suggest that you take Kingsford Smith's flight from Oakland, Ca to Brisbane in 1928 as just one example.
There were no modern navigation aids and no GPS all navigation was dead reckoning plus Celestial Navigation.  Maybe you can explain how his route fits your flat earth map.

Here is Kingsford Smith's route from the USA to Australia in 1928.
Just give a thought to navigating over that route from Oakland, CA to Brisbane, QLD in 1928, landing only at Hawaii, Fiji and Brisbane.

You would have be confident that the distances and navigation directions were correct and flat earth distances and navigation directions can be quite different from on the globe.

If you want the charts used by Harry Lyon, the navigator you can access them from:
Series 1. Navigation charts used by Sir Charles Kingsford Smith in the 1928 crossing of the Pacific
North Pacific Ocean, Eastern Part, No. 527, natural scale 1:5,990,157, 1927 (Item 1) Hydrographic chart showing portion of Pacific Ocean including west coast of United States and Hawaii.
Territory of Hawaii, sheet 4000, 1925 (Item 2) Chart showing portion of Pacific Ocean including Hawaii. Chart includes annotations of flight calculations, and shows route into and out of Hawaii.
No. 2020, 1903 (Item 3) Chart showing portion of Pacific Ocean. Chart includes flight calculations, and shows portion of route of the Southern Cross 1928 Pacific crossing.
No. 2021, 1902 (Item 4), Fiji islands Chart showing Fiji. Chart includes flight calculations, and shows portion of route of the Faith in Australia 1928 Pacific crossing.
Fiji Islands, No.2850, natural scale 1:733,929, 1914 (Item 5) Chart showing Fiji. Chart includes flight calculations, and shows portion of route of the Southern Cross 1928 Pacific crossing.
No. 2027, 1902 (Item 6) Chart showing New Caledonia. Chart includes flight calculations, and shows portion of route of the Southern Cross 1928 Pacific crossing
No. 2941, 1919 (Item 7) Chart showing portion of Pacific Ocean. Chart includes flight calculations, and shows portion of route of the Southern Cross 1928 Pacific crossing.

See where you end up if you plot them on you favourite flat-earth map! Then compare the distances - they only refuelled in Hawaii and Fiji.
Remember:
Quote from: Michael Jones
Conquering distance Kingsford Smith and the first trans‑Pacific flight, 1928
The ninth of June 2008 marks the 80th anniversary of the first flight between America and Australia. Charles Kingsford Smith (‘Smithy’) and his crew (Charles Ulm, James Warner, and Harry Lyon) completed the 11,585 kilometre crossing in the Southern Cross in a flying time of 83 hours and 50 minutes between 31 May and 9 June 1928, stopping to refuel and rest in Hawaii and Fiji. The plane flew at an average speed of only 138 kilometres an hour.

And those directions and distances do not fit any flat earth map we have seen to date so you show me a flat earth map that fits that real flight!
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Tom Bishop

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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2019, 02:44:48 PM »
Interesting, but if you cannot provide sources for the sunlight data you guys are using then you have proved nothing at all. Is it based on observation or a model?

If you cannot provide the information with your analysis, then you have no analysis, only assertion.
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2019, 02:52:54 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
That's a placeholder map. It says so right on the Bi-Polar model page:

https://wiki.tfes.org/Bi-Polar_Model

"There are a wide variety of continental layout possibilities for Bi-Polar map. The continental layout is unknown and has yet to be fully researched due to ambiguities of jet streams, flight routing, and non-direct flights. The Bi-Polar model is sometimes illustrated with vertical ovals, vertical circles, or with a placeholder map."

I understand it's a placeholder map. But it's filed underneath "model", not map. As for the continental layout being unknown on a bipolar map, this is true because there is no such thing. As for the continental layout is unknown and has yet to be fully researched due to ambiguities of jet streams, flight routing, and non-direct flights in general, for the rest the world, that's nonsense. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to fly anywhere or ship anything long distances. Just because flat earth has no idea where anything is doesn't mean the functioning globe earth of human and goods transport doesn't either. Seems Globe earth has that figured out quite nicely.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
You will need to address every possible configuration and layout.

No I don't, you do. You should start by addressing every possible configuration and layout in your wiki. Because you have no clue where the contents are in your model is an FE problem that needs to be addressed by FE.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
And you will also prove that the daylight times are true for all locations on earth for all times of the year. Where does that data come from and how was it made? If you are not providing this information with whatever you present, then your analysis is invalid. Was someone in the middle of the ocean  at all points around Antarctica cataloging what happens?

If the data is not based on real observations, then your analysis is invalid.

In your wiki it states:

"During Equinox the sun's circular area of light is pivoting around the Northern and Southern poles in a figure eight. The points along the edge of the sun's area of light are close to traveling along the observer's latitude line as it intersects the observer's viewing area, even if the sun is not, and will intersect and appear from near the East in initial bearing."

According to you, to make such a statement, you will also prove that the daylight times are true for all locations on earth for all times of the year along your figure eight. As well, you will have to provide where that data comes from and how was it made. Ultimately, If you are not providing this information with whatever you present and the data is not based on real observations, then your analysis is invalid.

So whatever you claim going forward regarding the model, according to you, is invalid.
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2019, 03:03:03 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 09:57:04 AM
The hemispheres aren't evenly lit like that. Learn what seasons are.
Sure, not perfectly, but as a rough approximation, that is how they are lit.
This equates to the equinox, which is what I had referred to previously.
This is one of the simpler images to show, as it has a nice circular patch of darkness.
Even if the patch isn't perfect, it is quite easy to verify the first image, that west US & East Russia at the top of your map are experiencing day, while Western Europe and Africa in the middle of your map are in darkness, and then Australia and New Zealand at the bottom of your map are experiencing day.

Again, since you claim that your model doesn't suffer from the massive non-circular patches of light, can you draw what the pattern of illumination is?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
That's a placeholder map. It says so right on the Bi-Polar model page:
Which is just a pathetic excuse to avoid the problem with your model.
The simple fact is that all you are able to do is push the problem around.
Instead of admitting this, you just appeal to ignorance and pretend there isn't a problem.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
And you will also prove that the daylight times are true for all locations on earth for all times of the year.
No, we don't.
A single time of year (at various times of day) and a subset of locations is enough to show the impossibility of the model.

If the day and night calculations from timeanddate were massively off people would notice and object and it the site wouldn't remain for long.
So we can presumably trust them for locations with people in them.
If you use this data, and try to group these regions into a roughly circular path, you will end up with a globe  (or at least a cylinder) as that is the only way to make it work.
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2019, 03:13:50 PM »
Actually, it might be better to use a few times of the year. (i.e. 2)
You can start with the northern summer, ignoring the southern hemisphere.
By forcing your model to be flat, this will result in an output similar to the north pole centred AEP for the northern hemisphere.
Especially with people living above the Arctic circle that can say this region must always be in daylight.
The exact centre point might vary, but you will establish that this is how the northern section of Earth must be.

Doing the same with the southern hemisphere during its summer will net a result similar to the south pole centred AEP.
Now the FEers wouldn't trust observations from Antartica, so we can't use that. Instead we will use the fact that the further south you go the more daylight hours you experience, which requires the south to be heading towards a point.

Now you just need to join these together.
By using locations near the equator you can easily tie it together, and be left with a single 2 sided disc, one for the northern hemisphere and one for the southern hemisphere.
But this would no longer be a flat Earth. To avoid the massive corner/edge at the edge of the disc you need to push the north and south pole outwards turning you 2 sided disc into a sphere (or a roughly spherical object). You can also note that in order to have a circular patch of light on the equinox, you would need to flatten out the equator anyway, again requiring removing the edge and forming a sphere.

So if you assume the sun illuminates a roughly circular region of Earth, and if you examine the available evidence honestly and rationally, you will conclude that Earth is round, and roughly a sphere.
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2019, 03:15:02 PM »
>>if it were wrong people would complain.

Not many people in the middle of the ocean that is getting stretched out. You have not provided cataloged observations of real sun data. You should show that the data is based on observation rather than theory.
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2019, 03:32:31 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 03:15:02 PM
>>if it were wrong people would complain.

Not many people in the middle of the ocean that is getting stretched out. You have not provided cataloged observations of real sun data. You should show that the data is based on observation rather than theory.

So is what you're saying that there is no way to verify that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west unless there is a cataloged real sun data set based on observation for every square inch of the planet?
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2019, 03:44:56 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 02:44:48 PM
Interesting, but if you cannot provide sources for the sunlight data you guys are using then you have proved nothing at all. Is it based on observation or a model?
Most people, even most Flat-Earthers seem prepared to accept Timeanddate.com, Day and Night World Map as being sufficiently accurate.
Here is one example for an equinox.


Day and Night World Map Sep 23 2017

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If you cannot provide the information with your analysis, then you have no analysis, only assertion.
No, I would claim that you are the one with the problem. You claim a sun path that does not fit what I and others observe.
I can easily see, for example, the direction of sunrise and it does not fit any Flat Earth model I have seen so far.


So I have to ask you, "Are your claims based on observation or a model?"
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2019, 03:51:40 PM »
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Most people, even most Flat-Earthers seem prepared to accept Timeanddate.com, Day and Night World Map as being sufficiently accurate.

This assertion is easily countered by the fact that most people did not verify that those sunlight patterns are correct for every point on earth at all times of the year.

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You claim a sun path that does not fit what I and others observe.

Okay. Provide cataloged data of your observations please.
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2019, 04:04:00 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 03:51:40 PM
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Most people, even most Flat-Earthers seem prepared to accept Timeanddate.com, Day and Night World Map as being sufficiently accurate.

This assertion is easily countered by the fact that most people did not verify that those sunlight patterns are correct for every point on earth at all times of the year.

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You claim a sun path that does not fit what I and others observe.

Okay. Provide cataloged data of your observations please.

So is what you're saying that there is no way to verify that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west unless there is a cataloged real sun data set based on observation for every square inch of the planet?
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2019, 04:22:18 PM »
In the original monopole FE video, the lit area in northern summer is smaller than the lit area in southern summer. To maintain the same radiation intensity over a larger area the sun would have to be more powerful during the southern summer.

A more intense sun would heat the ground below it more. So the sun would have to gain altitude so as not to burn the ground below it. It would also have to increase in size, otherwise people would realise the sneaky sol was getting further away. If it got larger but radiated the same amount of energy it would then become duller....better up the intensity again then...but now it has to gain altitude again...oh when will this awkward set of events stop becoming an embarrassment to FET....
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2019, 06:05:46 PM »
Quote from: Stash on May 20, 2019, 04:04:00 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 03:51:40 PM
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Most people, even most Flat-Earthers seem prepared to accept Timeanddate.com, Day and Night World Map as being sufficiently accurate.

This assertion is easily countered by the fact that most people did not verify that those sunlight patterns are correct for every point on earth at all times of the year.

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You claim a sun path that does not fit what I and others observe.

Okay. Provide cataloged data of your observations please.

So is what you're saying that there is no way to verify that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west unless there is a cataloged real sun data set based on observation for every square inch of the planet?

Maybe not '' every square inch of the planet '' but enough catalogued real sun data  information from enough points on the earth  to verify that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

At least in the U.S.A. most every newspaper has a weather page that publishes this data every day.

In Southlake , Texas the sun always rises in the East over  Dallas , Texas and Grapevine, Texas and always sets in the West over Keller Texas and Fort Worth,Texas and always in that order.




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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2019, 06:21:16 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 03:51:40 PM
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Most people, even most Flat-Earthers seem prepared to accept Timeanddate.com, Day and Night World Map as being sufficiently accurate.

This assertion is easily countered by the fact that most people did not verify that those sunlight patterns are correct for every point on earth at all times of the year.

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You claim a sun path that does not fit what I and others observe.

Okay. Provide cataloged data of your observations please.
Why should I bother?
I know that at the equinoxes the sun here rises due east. The living area at the back of our house faces almost due east so it's easy to check.

What direction does it rise from where you live?
Have you ever looked and compared it with the direction of the sun on your favourite model?
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2019, 06:50:01 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 03:15:02 PM
Not many people in the middle of the ocean
Who gives a damn?
Did I say Ocean? NO!
I said the populated regions.
Are you capable of honestly responding to anything, or just dishonest deflection to pretend your model isn't so easily refuted?

Stop appealing to wilful ignorance and start dealing with the massive problems with your model.
How about some nice simple questions (ignoring any semantics like you potentially objecting to the use of hemisphere):
Do you accept that in the northern hemisphere, during their summer, the further north you go the more hours of daylight you have during a period of 24 hours, until eventually, above the Arctic circle you get 24 hours of daylight, i.e. the sun doesn't set.
Do you accept that in the southern hemisphere, during their summer, the further south you go the more hours of daylight you have during a period of 24 hours?
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2019, 07:14:28 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 03:15:02 PM
>>if it were wrong people would complain.

Not many people in the middle of the ocean that is getting stretched out. You have not provided cataloged observations of real sun data. You should show that the data is based on observation rather than theory.

When I was in the Navy , going east to west from California to Hawaii on the Pacific Ocean , we always observed . :
The sun always rose over the horizon in the East, over the stern of the ship.
The sun always set under the horizon in the West , under the bow of the ship.
It has been observed that the sun always rises in the East and always sets in the West whether you are on land or  at sea.
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2019, 07:38:29 PM »
Quote from: JackBlack on May 20, 2019, 06:50:01 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 03:15:02 PM
Not many people in the middle of the ocean
Who gives a damn?
Did I say Ocean? NO!
I said the populated regions.
Are you capable of honestly responding to anything, or just dishonest deflection to pretend your model isn't so easily refuted?

How are you refuting it? You have come here with a globe model and expect us to accept that it is accurate for every point on earth.

A stronger argument would be to provide real data and real observations for your argument. Since you seem unable to provide that, you appear to have no evidence. Assumption is not evidence.
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2019, 08:46:21 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 07:38:29 PM
How are you refuting it? You have come here with a globe model and expect us to accept that it is accurate for every point on earth.
Again, stop strawmanning my position.
I don't need to focus on every point on Earth. You can do it with just populated places.
You seem lack confidence in your model so much that you refuse to answer even simple questions and seem to need to repeatedly strawman the opposition as if you know your model cannot withstand rational scrutiny.

Again:
Do you accept that in the northern hemisphere, during their summer, the further north you go the more hours of daylight you have during a period of 24 hours, until eventually, above the Arctic circle you get 24 hours of daylight, i.e. the sun doesn't set.
Do you accept that in the southern hemisphere, during their summer, the further south you go the more hours of daylight you have during a period of 24 hours?
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2019, 08:48:09 PM »
If you have no data then you have no argument. There is little here to discuss.
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2019, 09:01:46 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 08:48:09 PM
If you have no data then you have no argument. There is little here to discuss.

If you have no evidence that the earth is a flat disc surrounded by a ring of ice then then you have no argument
If you have no flat Earth map then you have no argument .
If you have no answers or nothing but nonsense to offer then you have no argument.

There is little here to discuss.

But you might explain the route a ship would take from California to Japan on the BiPolar map ?
And then you might explain the size and shape of Australia on the BiPolar map ?


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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2019, 09:15:29 PM »
Quote from: JackBlack on May 20, 2019, 06:50:01 PM

Who gives a damn?
Did I say Ocean? NO!
I said the populated regions.

You sound like you're ready to pop a gasket.


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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2019, 09:19:27 PM »
Quote from: Googleotomy on May 20, 2019, 09:01:46 PM

There is little here to discuss.

You have over 5000 posts.
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2019, 09:50:09 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 20, 2019, 08:48:09 PM
If you have no data then you have no argument. There is little here to discuss.
You are the one denying the well accepted available data on the sun locations. If you want more precise data you might look up the Naval Almanacs.
I'm sure there would have been a massive outcry from ships navigators from before Captain Cook's time were those proven incorrect.

So, I would assert that your are the one making extraordinary claims and
      As Carl Sagan said that "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence",
      and the French mathematician Laplace stated that: "The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness."
And so you must supply the necessary "extraordinary evidence" to support your "extraordinary claims".

I note that Googleotomy asks
Quote from: Googleotomy on May 20, 2019, 09:01:46 PM
But you might explain the route a ship would take from California to Japan on the BiPolar map?
And I ask how you explain the route Kingsford Smith flew from Hawaii to Fiji on the BiPolar map.
Here is a link to a photocopy of the chart used by Harry Lyon, the navigator on that trans-Pacific flight.
No. 2021, 1902 (Item 4), Fiji islands Chart showing Fiji. Chart includes flight calculations, and shows portion of route of the Faith in Australia 1928 Pacific crossing.
Note that the 180°E - 180°W "edge" on that map intersects that route in the eastern islands of Fiji. So try fitting that on your Bi-polar map.

Now you might claim that edge might be "somewhere else". OK just show where it is and there are certain to be crossings of that too.

So, over to you.
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2019, 09:54:37 PM »
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Re: Sunlight on a flat Earth map
« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2019, 09:58:54 PM »
Quote from: Bullwinkle on May 20, 2019, 09:19:27 PM
Quote from: Googleotomy on May 20, 2019, 09:01:46 PM

There is little here to discuss.

You have over 5000 posts.

Correction.
There is little (if any) here that FE can discuss in an intelligent manner.
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Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !
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