Maximum seeing distance

You should consider transient 3D, this will make the match easier. Btw, who is funding your research? 

You've gave perfect example of why this earth is a two dimentional simulation.

the fact that light continues along a line, in fact it should be spread out to four sides, is proof that it is not real, it is simulation.

That literally makes no sense at all.
Even if it was showing light didn't behave properly, it in no way indicates that the simulation would be 2D.

But more importantly, the light behaves exactly as you would expect.
It spreads out in all directions from the sources. In reality, this is just the light being emitted in all directions and thus as you get further from the source the light has spread out to a larger extent. It isn't the light magically breaking itself apart and spreading.
If it reflects, rather than scatters, then it doesn't spread out in all directions from the point of reflection, instead the light reflects and continues along its straight path.

So no, reflection in no way supports your claim that the universe is a simulation or 2D.

You should consider transient 3D, this will make the match easier. Btw, who is funding your research? 

Give the right of consider factors to my own, please. Good question. Anybody did not ask this question earlier. I think I gave some hints about it, like something gov. That's all I can say. Actually I've talked more. I hope secret service will not visit me for this. gov can be everything, right? 

Quote from: Souleon on May 11, 2019, 02:33:42 PM

You should consider transient 3D, this will make the match easier. Btw, who is funding your research? 

Give the right of consider factors to my own, please. Good question. Anybody did not ask this question earlier. I think I gave some hints about it, like something gov. That's all I can say. Actually I've talked more. I hope secret service will not visit me for this. gov can be everything, right? 

That's the first time I see a happy smiley from you, wise. Seems we are making some progress at least 

But I fear we cannot continue debating as long as you didn't explain "1+1+1 = 2" or agree to "= 3".

https://www.google.com/search?q=dimensions+definition&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2u7mN_5XiAhVPLVAKHSF8D3MQ_AUIDigB&biw=1920&bih=853

Quote from: wise on May 11, 2019, 03:48:32 PM

Quote from: Souleon on May 11, 2019, 02:33:42 PM

You should consider transient 3D, this will make the match easier. Btw, who is funding your research? 

Give the right of consider factors to my own, please. Good question. Anybody did not ask this question earlier. I think I gave some hints about it, like something gov. That's all I can say. Actually I've talked more. I hope secret service will not visit me for this. gov can be everything, right? 

That's the first time I see a happy smiley from you, wise. Seems we are making some progress at least 

But I fear we cannot continue debating as long as you didn't explain "1+1+1 = 2" or agree to "= 3".

https://www.google.com/search?q=dimensions+definition&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2u7mN_5XiAhVPLVAKHSF8D3MQ_AUIDigB&biw=1920&bih=853

Have you never heard of a 3D world on a 2D screen? Like TV or computer screen. A lot of evidence shows that this is the way it is. I'm not talking decisive, but it's highly likely.

If you capture a 3d world, the video is stored more or less in a 2d projection, but the captured world remains 3d. You can walk around and above objects, feel and see them from all sides... That wouldn't be possible in 2d

Have you never heard of a 3D world on a 2D screen? Like TV or computer screen. A lot of evidence shows that this is the way it is. I'm not talking decisive, but it's highly likely.

No. I have heard of a 2D projection of a 3D world on a 2D screen. If there was evidence you would have provided it.

But again, this is just running off on a massive tangent.
The topic is maximum seeing distance where you have baselessly asserted it is 20 km.
But if this was the case the sun would vanish high in the sky, not appear to set.
So if the maximum seeing distance is 20 km, how can we see the sun set?

Quote from: wise on May 12, 2019, 12:21:17 PM

Have you never heard of a 3D world on a 2D screen? Like TV or computer screen. A lot of evidence shows that this is the way it is. I'm not talking decisive, but it's highly likely.

No. I have heard of a 2D projection of a 3D world on a 2D screen. If there was evidence you would have provided it.

But again, this is just running off on a massive tangent.
The topic is maximum seeing distance where you have baselessly asserted it is 20 km.
But if this was the case the sun would vanish high in the sky, not appear to set.
So if the maximum seeing distance is 20 km, how can we see the sun set?

And if the "the maximum seeing distance is 20 km" how is it that "Mount Rainier is visible from Vancouver (Which is behind Seattle, 286 KMs away"?

Quote from: jroa on May 26, 2018, 09:41:55 PM

You can barely see mountains just a few dozen miles away.  Why would you expect to see anything hundreds or thousands of miles away?  This is one of the dumbest arguments that keeps coming up over and over.

Really?
You claim that "you can barely see mountains just a few dozen miles away"! This is one of the dumbest things that you keep saying over and over.

Take a look at this:

Quote from: rabinoz on April 15, 2017, 01:07:27 AM

Quote from: Jonny B Smart on April 14, 2017, 09:36:20 PM

Here is the same mountain again. Notice the comments: "only the top third of the mountain due to curvature."

Mount Rainier is visible from Vancouver (Which is behind Seattle, 286 KMs away!)

Where in Vancouver that Rainier can be seen from:

Quote from: dleung

You can see an unobstructed view of Vancouver's skyline from the mountains of Vancouver island up to 145km northwest of downtown. The Olympic mountains in Washington State are 150+km, but have a partly obscured view due to the hill that the city of Vancouver is located. But the 280km view from Mt Rainier to Metrotown is hands-down the winner.
In conclusion, from Mt Rainier, one can actually see any building taller than ~80m in Burnaby's Metrotown.

Yep, I live at the very top of Metrotown (and hence all of Metro Vancouver) and I can confirm that your math checks out.
I can see Mount Rainier, so the opposite must also be true (although will require huge binoculars).

This photo is, of course, taken from a much higher altitude.

From Furthest your city's skyline can be seen from?

Here it is from that building:

Quote from: JackBlack on May 12, 2019, 01:58:01 PM

We are parasiting

Do not parasite. Let adults to discuss

If you capture a 3d world, the video is stored more or less in a 2d projection, but the captured world remains 3d. You can walk around and above objects, feel and see them from all sides... That wouldn't be possible in 2d

Nope. Possible. Open a MMO game, you can move every sides, but it is still on 2D screen.

Quote from: rabinoz on May 12, 2019, 03:01:02 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on May 12, 2019, 01:58:01 PM

We are parasiting

Do not parasite. Let adults to discuss

JackBlack did not say "We are parasiting" and I did not say  "Do not parasite. Let adults to discuss".
I said this!

Quote from: JackBlack on May 12, 2019, 01:58:01 PM

Quote from: wise on May 12, 2019, 12:21:17 PM

Have you never heard of a 3D world on a 2D screen? Like TV or computer screen. A lot of evidence shows that this is the way it is. I'm not talking decisive, but it's highly likely.

No. I have heard of a 2D projection of a 3D world on a 2D screen. If there was evidence you would have provided it.

But again, this is just running off on a massive tangent.
The topic is maximum seeing distance where you have baselessly asserted it is 20 km.
But if this was the case the sun would vanish high in the sky, not appear to set.
So if the maximum seeing distance is 20 km, how can we see the sun set?

And if the "the maximum seeing distance is 20 km" how is it that "Mount Rainier is visible from Vancouver (Which is behind Seattle, 286 KMs away"?

Quote from: rabinoz on May 27, 2018, 12:24:09 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 26, 2018, 09:41:55 PM

You can barely see mountains just a few dozen miles away.  Why would you expect to see anything hundreds or thousands of miles away?  This is one of the dumbest arguments that keeps coming up over and over.

Really?
You claim that "you can barely see mountains just a few dozen miles away"! This is one of the dumbest things that you keep saying over and over.

Take a look at this:

Quote from: rabinoz on April 15, 2017, 01:07:27 AM

Quote from: Jonny B Smart on April 14, 2017, 09:36:20 PM

Here is the same mountain again. Notice the comments: "only the top third of the mountain due to curvature."

Mount Rainier is visible from Vancouver (Which is behind Seattle, 286 KMs away!)

Where in Vancouver that Rainier can be seen from:

Quote from: dleung

You can see an unobstructed view of Vancouver's skyline from the mountains of Vancouver island up to 145km northwest of downtown. The Olympic mountains in Washington State are 150+km, but have a partly obscured view due to the hill that the city of Vancouver is located. But the 280km view from Mt Rainier to Metrotown is hands-down the winner.
In conclusion, from Mt Rainier, one can actually see any building taller than ~80m in Burnaby's Metrotown.

Yep, I live at the very top of Metrotown (and hence all of Metro Vancouver) and I can confirm that your math checks out.
I can see Mount Rainier, so the opposite must also be true (although will require huge binoculars).

This photo is, of course, taken from a much higher altitude.

From Furthest your city's skyline can be seen from?

Here it is from that building:

If you have no answer, just admit your have been proven incorrect!

If you have no answer, just admit your have been proven incorrect!

Who are you asking me anything so I have to answer it? I can count many things about you those I don't care what your thoughts or what you ask.

Don't blatantly lie about what I say by misquoting me.

Nope. Possible. Open a MMO game, you can move every sides, but it is still on 2D screen.

Nope, not possible. The 3D MMOs work based upon 3D. It is a 3D world, using 3D for positioning. You merely see a 2D projection of it.
If you lose that 3D and instead reduce it to 2D, it no longer works.
Some MMOs are 2D and just use 2D sprites, and lack a 3rd dimension. They are literally 2D and there is no elevation.

If you understood how games work, you would know that.

And again, this is all just a distraction from the main topic.

Again, you claim we can only see 20 km. But if this was the case the sun would disappear high in the sky, fading to a blur rather than appearing to set. It also goes against many FE claims where they claim you can see things which you shouldn't on a RE with a great distance.

Are you planning on addressing this massive issue, such as by backing up your claim and solving the issues with it?

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This issue isn't an issue you can get it. Let adults to discuss.

Quote from: rabinoz on May 13, 2019, 02:15:25 AM

If you have no answer, just admit your have been proven incorrect!

Who are you asking me anything so I have to answer it? I can count many things about you those I don't care what your thoughts or what you ask.

You ask who I am?
I am the one posting photos that prove your claim that "the maximum seeing distance is 20 km" is totally incorrect!

Quote from: JackBlack on May 13, 2019, 02:44:58 AM

<rubbish deleted>

This issue isn't an issue you can get it. Let adults to discuss.

So you admit that you have no answer once again?

Quote from: wise on May 13, 2019, 02:34:30 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on May 13, 2019, 02:15:25 AM

If you have no answer, just admit your have been proven incorrect!

Who are you asking me anything so I have to answer it? I can count many things about you those I don't care what your thoughts or what you ask.

You ask who I am?
I am the one posting photos that prove your claim that "the maximum seeing distance is 20 km" is totally incorrect!

Your claim is not enough for I get serious or as an interlocutor to you.

You are constantly repeating same photos those nobody care them. You need to go a doctor before post here.

Quote from: wise on May 13, 2019, 02:49:30 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on May 13, 2019, 02:44:58 AM

<rubbish deleted>

This issue isn't an issue you can get it. Let adults to discuss.

So you admit that you have no answer once again?

It means I don't care whether if you ask a question or you do not.

here they go again ... 

here they go again ... 

I am still waiting for a new statement from you.

I am still waiting for a new statement from you.

You have demonstrated you don't care about the truth at all and will happily dismiss any statement that shows you are wrong.
So what is the point of a new statement?
You still have all the old ones to deal with.

Again, if you can only see 20 km, you would not see the sunset. Instead the sun would fade to a blur high in the sky as you would be looking through too much atmosphere.
Again, if light reflects, then it will not spread out in all directions from the point of reflection. Instead it reflects such that the angle of incidence is equal to the angle of reflection, with the light continuing in a straight line. Light doesn't magically spread out. It simply travels in a straight line (more technically a geodesic through space-time), with omnidirectional light sources emitting light in all directions giving the apparence of light spreading out. This is confirmed with quite simple experiments and in no way indicates the universe is a simulation.
You can't have a 3D simulation stored as 2D. That would lose the 3rd dimension resulting in a massive loss of information.

Now are you able to reply to any of these statements, or just continue to dismiss them?

Quote from: wise on May 13, 2019, 01:40:17 PM

I am still waiting for a new statement from you.

You have demonstrated you don't care about the truth at all and will happily dismiss any statement that shows you are wrong.
So what is the point of a new statement?
You still have all the old ones to deal with.

Again, if you can only see 20 km, you would not see the sunset. Instead the sun would fade to a blur high in the sky as you would be looking through too much atmosphere.
Again, if light reflects, then it will not spread out in all directions from the point of reflection. Instead it reflects such that the angle of incidence is equal to the angle of reflection, with the light continuing in a straight line. Light doesn't magically spread out. It simply travels in a straight line (more technically a geodesic through space-time), with omnidirectional light sources emitting light in all directions giving the apparence of light spreading out. This is confirmed with quite simple experiments and in no way indicates the universe is a simulation.
You can't have a 3D simulation stored as 2D. That would lose the 3rd dimension resulting in a massive loss of information.

Now are you able to reply to any of these statements, or just continue to dismiss them?

Would have said it a bit more gentle but in overall content I agree.

Quote from: rabinoz on May 13, 2019, 04:20:00 AM

Quote from: wise on May 13, 2019, 02:49:30 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on May 13, 2019, 02:44:58 AM

<rubbish deleted>

This issue isn't an issue you can get it. Let adults to discuss.

So you admit that you have no answer once again?

It means I don't care whether if you ask a question or you do not.

Incorrect! You refuse to answer because once again you have no answer.

If you disagree, prove that your "maximum seeing ditance" of 20 km is correct.

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how does it feel to enter into interferences knowing that you'll not been taken as the interlocutor ?

<parasite deleted>

I can't answer anything I don't care, right?

Quote from: JackBlack on May 13, 2019, 02:18:47 PM

Quote from: wise on May 13, 2019, 01:40:17 PM

I am still waiting for a new statement from you.

You have demonstrated you don't care about the truth at all and will happily dismiss any statement that shows you are wrong.
So what is the point of a new statement?
You still have all the old ones to deal with.

Again, if you can only see 20 km, you would not see the sunset. Instead the sun would fade to a blur high in the sky as you would be looking through too much atmosphere.
Again, if light reflects, then it will not spread out in all directions from the point of reflection. Instead it reflects such that the angle of incidence is equal to the angle of reflection, with the light continuing in a straight line. Light doesn't magically spread out. It simply travels in a straight line (more technically a geodesic through space-time), with omnidirectional light sources emitting light in all directions giving the apparence of light spreading out. This is confirmed with quite simple experiments and in no way indicates the universe is a simulation.
You can't have a 3D simulation stored as 2D. That would lose the 3rd dimension resulting in a massive loss of information.

Now are you able to reply to any of these statements, or just continue to dismiss them?

Would have said it a bit more gentle but in overall content I agree.

He has not answered or replied you at all but you've agreed with him. You do not continue the statements between you and me but agree another conversation only contains the issue whether exist or absent. LoL.

Quote from: Souleon on May 12, 2019, 01:23:20 PM

If you capture a 3d world, the video is stored more or less in a 2d projection, but the captured world remains 3d. You can walk around and above objects, feel and see them from all sides... That wouldn't be possible in 2d

Nope. Possible. Open a MMO game, you can move every sides, but it is still on 2D screen.

Souleon, you've still not replied this statement but supported jackblack's freedom of ask me question. Tell me something which prevents I put you in alt accounts of sickinoz group.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 13, 2019, 02:18:47 PM

<garbage deleted>

how does it feel to enter into interferences knowing that you'll not been taken as the interlocutor ?

Quote from: rabinoz on May 13, 2019, 05:27:35 PM

<parasite deleted>

I can't answer anything I don't care, right?

Quote from: Souleon on May 13, 2019, 04:32:19 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on May 13, 2019, 02:18:47 PM

Quote from: wise on May 13, 2019, 01:40:17 PM

I am still waiting for a new statement from you.

You have demonstrated you don't care about the truth at all and will happily dismiss any statement that shows you are wrong.
So what is the point of a new statement?
You still have all the old ones to deal with.

Again, if you can only see 20 km, you would not see the sunset. Instead the sun would fade to a blur high in the sky as you would be looking through too much atmosphere.
Again, if light reflects, then it will not spread out in all directions from the point of reflection. Instead it reflects such that the angle of incidence is equal to the angle of reflection, with the light continuing in a straight line. Light doesn't magically spread out. It simply travels in a straight line (more technically a geodesic through space-time), with omnidirectional light sources emitting light in all directions giving the apparence of light spreading out. This is confirmed with quite simple experiments and in no way indicates the universe is a simulation.
You can't have a 3D simulation stored as 2D. That would lose the 3rd dimension resulting in a massive loss of information.

Now are you able to reply to any of these statements, or just continue to dismiss them?

Would have said it a bit more gentle but in overall content I agree.

He has not answered or replied you at all but you've agreed with him. You do not continue the statements between you and me but agree another conversation only contains the issue whether exist or absent. LoL.

Since you won't answer the question I guess that means, according to you, when I see my sunset here, the sun is 20km or less from me:

Quote from: Souleon on May 12, 2019, 01:23:20 PM

If you capture a 3d world, the video is stored more or less in a 2d projection, but the captured world remains 3d. You can walk around and above objects, feel and see them from all sides... That wouldn't be possible in 2d

Nope. Possible. Open a MMO game, you can move every sides, but it is still on 2D screen.

Souleon, who did not replied statements between us during a day, but replied jackblack who clearly a ranter aims to cut our conversation; is ignored.

Quote from: wise on May 13, 2019, 01:03:38 AM

Quote from: Souleon on May 12, 2019, 01:23:20 PM

If you capture a 3d world, the video is stored more or less in a 2d projection, but the captured world remains 3d. You can walk around and above objects, feel and see them from all sides... That wouldn't be possible in 2d

Nope. Possible. Open a MMO game, you can move every sides, but it is still on 2D screen.

Souleon, you've still not replied this statement but supported jackblack's freedom of ask me question. Tell me something which prevents I put you in alt accounts of sickinoz group.

Oh sorry, I missed that due to your many rants with Rabinoz and Jackblack.

Ok, wise, here is my answer: If you can move in the MMO world every side, than the MMO world is also in 3D. The projection for the 2D screen happens after your input to the game. The game developers uses an equivalent to a video camera inside of the game and you watch what this "camera" is filming, with a tiny delay. The game developers have to include the camera position and movement into their coding. Your question proofs that you never did some 3D modeling yourself.

One more thing to the "incident = reflection angle": Please walk along a wall with a mirror, observe the mirror and think about what you see there.

Quote from: wise on May 13, 2019, 01:03:38 AM

Quote from: Souleon on May 12, 2019, 01:23:20 PM

If you capture a 3d world, the video is stored more or less in a 2d projection, but the captured world remains 3d. You can walk around and above objects, feel and see them from all sides... That wouldn't be possible in 2d

Nope. Possible. Open a MMO game, you can move every sides, but it is still on 2D screen.

Souleon, who did not replied statements between us during a day, but replied jackblack who clearly a ranter aims to cut our conversation; is ignored.

We live in different time zones, so you have to be more patient. I woke up ~30 min ago, so relax, please 

if you delete the quoted post, i will delete mine as well 

Quote from: wise on May 13, 2019, 01:03:38 AM

Nope. Possible. Open a MMO game, you can move every sides, but it is still on 2D screen.

Souleon, you've still not replied this statement but supported jackblack's freedom of ask me question. Tell me something which prevents I put you in alt accounts of sickinoz group.

I've already explained that it is pure nonsense. What more needs to be said?
If you can't defend your nonsense it remains refuted.
3D MMOs use 3D for the world and show you a 2D projection.
2D MMOs use 2D for the world and intrinsically 2D, not 3D.

Meanwhile, you still haven't answered this question:
If we can only see 20 km through the atmosphere, why does the sun appear to set rather than fade to a blur high in the sky?

Why do you refuse to answer?
Is it because you know you can't honestly answer without admitting your claim is nonsense?

Quote from: wise on May 14, 2019, 12:01:15 AM

Quote from: wise on May 13, 2019, 01:03:38 AM

Nope. Possible. Open a MMO game, you can move every sides, but it is still on 2D screen.

Souleon, you've still not replied this statement but supported jackblack's freedom of ask me question. Tell me something which prevents I put you in alt accounts of sickinoz group.

I've already explained that it is pure nonsense.

Again, you are not Souleon. Stop to identity theft. There is nothing to you and nobody has wanted to reply his statement. If you want to reply him, so directly reply him without mentioning me. Again, Stop to identity theft and behaving like a parasite on pages.