One Simple Honest Question

Why?

I understand that many of you present believe the earth is flat instead of round and seem thoroughly intent on proving so or establishing reasonable doubt regarding the widely accepted round-earth theory, but in all honesty why?

Why does it matter? What effect does it have upon you? If the world is flat and you are all correct, will anything really change?

Following on from that: Why bother conceal such a fact? What is to be gained by deceiving the world, besides a sense of superior intellect?

Seriously, I would like to know what your answers are to these questions...I'm not questioning how you can believe it, or even that belief's validity, I'm questioning why it matters? For example, what was it like when you decided that the earth was not in fact round...what were the origins and felings regarding that revelation?

Alternate scientific models are a necessity for understanding.

This is how science works. This is how science progresses.

Alternate scientific models are a necessity for understanding.

This is how science works. This is how science progresses.

Seems a rather flimsy justification...It's essentially a form of melodramatic, pseudo-intellectual rebellion?

"The world is round"
"The world is flat, in your face!"

I mean, is there any larger objective beyond what you're saying that could possibly negate that assumption of mine>

I will mention again that fanatical whimsy does not supercede the human lust, in this case for knowledge. You can't honestly say that you wouldn't want to know if the Earth was flat, in all honesty.

As for why people argue for the flat Earth model, that may be a different story entirely, but you ought to figure that one out yourself.

And as for why the government (or at least NASA and the space programs) want to conceal the fact, it's most likely money. NASA gets billions of dollars of tax money for funding space travel, and since they're obviously (in the Flat Earth Model) not using it for space travel, they've got at least a few hundred million per year to spend on nothing except themselves.

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i thought they spent a lot of it on the guards, and technology, and paying people off, etc. etc.

What about the other countries

I will mention again that fanatical whimsy does not supercede the human lust, in this case for knowledge. You can't honestly say that you wouldn't want to know if the Earth was flat, in all honesty.
As for why people argue for the flat Earth model, that may be a different story entirely, but you ought to figure that one out yourself.

And as for why the government (or at least NASA and the space programs) want to conceal the fact, it's most likely money. NASA gets billions of dollars of tax money for funding space travel, and since they're obviously (in the Flat Earth Model) not using it for space travel, they've got at least a few hundred million per year to spend on nothing except themselves.

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I can and will say that I don't want to know. Or rather, don't care to know. Whether or not the world is flat has absolutely no bearing on how I interact with it or its population. It's like the philosophical question of 'if a tree falls in a forest with no one to hear it, does it make a sound?' Any definitive stance maintained on that question is an intellectual vanity, nothing more, since the nature of the question is defined by the tree's lack of effect on the conversationalists.

You can't fob off my questioning as to why people argue for the flat-earth theory as 'something I should discover for myself.' What do you think I'm doing here in this thread? That's right, discovering for myself. Why, if you do so, do you argue for the flat-earth theory? What motivated you to pursue this course of action?

Finally, how can that argument have any validity? The round-earth theory originates in the Renaissance era, which predates the formation of Nasa and the United States by a considerable length of time, what conspirators were lurking in those times, profitting from their deceit? Even the concept of Space Travel was outlandish at the time the concept was embraced, so how does this conspiracy theory work? I honestly don't understand and I truly want to know...

Well, they spend plenty on the guards and paying people off so they don't talk, but as I calculated in my conspiracy compendium, it'd only be close to $50 million USD per year. Thus the other amount of billions (I don't even recall how much NASA alone is getting per year) is basically open for anybody to take for their own.

Well, they spend plenty on the guards and paying people off so they don't talk, but as I calculated in my conspiracy compendium, it'd only be close to $50 million USD per year. Thus the other amount of billions (I don't even recall how much NASA alone is getting per year) is basically open for anybody to take for their own.

That really doesn't address my perceived discrepancy regarding the founding of Round Earth Theory and the establishing of any Social Power with the motivation, opportunity or wealth to accompish such a widespread deceit. The only institution of such influence would have been the Catholic Church, and there'd be no reasoning behind their involvement in such a plan.

I can and will say that I don't want to know. Or rather, don't care to know. Whether or not the world is flat has absolutely no bearing on how I interact with it or its population. It's like the philosophical question of 'if a tree falls in a forest with no one to hear it, does it make a sound?' Any definitive stance maintained on that question is an intellectual vanity, nothing more, since the nature of the question is defined by the tree's lack of effect on the conversationalists.

Intellectual vanity or not, people want to know. It's human nature. You can't argue against that. If you think that humans don't naturally want to know everything about their universe--no matter the uses of the knowledge--you honestly must be either ignorant or daft, or both as it may be.

You can't fob off my questioning as to why people argue for the flat-earth theory as 'something I should discover for myself.' What do you think I'm doing here in this thread? That's right, discovering for myself. Why, if you do so, do you argue for the flat-earth theory? What motivated you to pursue this course of action?

All I'll say is that not everyone who argues for it believes in it.

Finally, how can that argument have any validity? The round-earth theory originates in the Renaissance era, which predates the formation of Nasa and the United States by a considerable length of time, what conspirators were lurking in those times, profitting from their deceit? Even the concept of Space Travel was outlandish at the time the concept was embraced, so how does this conspiracy theory work? I honestly don't understand and I truly want to know...

Before space travel, it's possible that it could be a run for power or for some other locational reason that spread farther than it should have and then the space travel era came around, and some people figured they could make quite a bit of money for it.

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Honestly, imagine if you were in my position right now, would you be at all satisfied with the answers with which you have just provided me?

Grecian thats not the point, the point is, he's right.

How do you make money off of a round earth conspiracy?

Before space travel, it's possible that it could be a run for power or for some other locational reason that spread farther than it should have and then the space travel era came around, and some people figured they could make quite a bit of money for it.

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A struggle originating before 0AD?

How do you make money off of a round earth conspiracy?

nasa?

How do you make money off of a round earth conspiracy?

You don't.  It's all crackpot nonsensery.

Honestly, imagine if you were in my position right now, would you be at all satisfied with the answers with which you have just provided me?

Probably. I don't know what more you want from me.

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i have posted a rough draft of why the government says the earth is flat even though it is round, and it has more 'profit potential', has a more solid background, and is more believable. However, you refuse it. If you want me to make it neat and fancy, then i will.

Quote from: "Grecian"

Honestly, imagine if you were in my position right now, would you be at all satisfied with the answers with which you have just provided me?

Probably. I don't know what more you want from me.

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DiegoDraw, is your conspiracy thread stickied somewhere?  Can we get it stickied right below the FAQ?  I'm getting sick and tired of sending people to it, even though they should have already read it.

DiegoDraw, is your conspiracy thread stickied somewhere?  Can we get it stickied right below the FAQ?  I'm getting sick and tired of sending people to it, even though they should have already read it.

It's not stickied, but it's referenced in the FAQ (which nobody reads anyways).

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For me the answer to "why?" is quite simply because I have seen the Ice Wall and looked out into space beyond it.