RE-winning threads

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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #180 on: November 05, 2007, 12:22:28 PM »
I see, well why are you flaming me then?
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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #181 on: November 05, 2007, 12:30:12 PM »
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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #182 on: November 06, 2007, 06:52:27 AM »
Ah, more insults. You flat earthers crack me up.

You dumbshits crack me up. ::)


More insults, no substance. I'd expect no less from a moronic flat earther.

Enjoy your ignorance.  :)

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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #183 on: November 06, 2007, 10:41:14 AM »
No response from Mr IRA I see.
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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #184 on: November 07, 2007, 05:32:48 AM »
No response from Mr IRA I see.

Ah, more insults. You flat earthers crack me up.

You dumbshits crack me up. ::)


More insults, no substance. I'd expect no less from a moronic flat earther.

Enjoy your ignorance.  :)

LMFAO


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HEY!  I THINK HE'S GETTING SOMEWHERE!  No.  You suck.

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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #185 on: November 07, 2007, 06:27:21 AM »
More insults, no substace. You really are retarded.
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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #186 on: November 07, 2007, 07:02:32 AM »
Well, just as I thought, you haven't changed. 

Goodbye. 


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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #187 on: November 07, 2007, 07:13:38 AM »
Good riddance
So long and thanks for all the fish

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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #188 on: November 07, 2007, 09:22:45 AM »
aww, what a shame, I thought he would have warmed up eventually....

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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #189 on: November 07, 2007, 02:18:11 PM »
This forum has degraded beyond belief. None of you have any substance in you.

Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #190 on: November 07, 2007, 06:01:25 PM »
Awww, gone before he knows I don't believe in a flat earth :(

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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #191 on: November 08, 2007, 03:02:51 PM »
This forum has degraded beyond belief. None of you have any substance in you.

I resent that. I have lots of substance in me.
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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #192 on: November 08, 2007, 03:39:09 PM »
This forum has degraded beyond belief. None of you have any substance in you.

I resent that. I have lots of substance in me.

blood and bone, for instance?
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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #193 on: November 08, 2007, 03:47:30 PM »
yup, and some other stuff, guts and shit
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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #194 on: November 10, 2007, 06:26:12 PM »
The red-shifting and blue-shifting of light on Earth is a result of a non-uniform gravitational field.
Time dilation as detected on Earth is a result of a non-uniform gravitational field.
The two are not possible in a uniform gravitational field. No experiment exists, which has measured red-shifting and time dilation on Earth, due to apparent gravitational influence, that can be explained with the EP for a non-intertial FoR.

Maybe you have evidence to the contrary?
I have Special Relativity and good ol' Newtonian Mechanics which say otherwise.  Clocks displaced along the vector of acceleration (or it's negative) will experience time dilation.  This is clearly seen in the equations of SR.  Light will shift frequency and again, is seen in the equations.  Light will bend, according to Newtonian dynamics, as it enters the acceleration's "area of effect".

Once again, you're applying the EP to situations and experiments where it is clearly inapplicable, or at the very least, negligible. Either you've misread or misunderstood what I've said, or are intentionally trying to avoid the point. What you've said is true, however it doesn't apply to what I've been talking about from the beginning.

You do see time dilation in accelerated frames of reference, but not in the situation with which we are concerned, or at least not in a way that is significant to a gravitational field of a planet.The time dilation, as I said, as detected on Earth, in the experiment which I mentioned, does not rely on clocks displaced along the vector of acceleration. It is true that they are, in fact, sometimes briefly displaced along this vector (in the airplane-aided version of the experiments), but this displacement is not the major contributor to the dilation measured. It is a relatively brief time of displacement. The dilation primarily occurs at higher altitudes, in areas of different gravitational potential. It has nothing to do with how they got there, or even if they were moved from a different point along the gravitational vector in the first place.

In the accelerated reference frame which you keep referencing, time dilation will be detected only by observers outside of that frame of reference. Anything inside that accelerating frame of reference will not detect the dilation of time within that FoR. No matter where in that FoR you are, you will detect time to have the same speed always. This is due to the flat or uniform gravitational field created by the acceleration. Being at a higher altitude on an accelerating Earth, in this case, would not cause one to detect any sort of time dilation. Time on an atomic clock at 50,000 feet above sea level would progress at the very same speed as time on an atomic clock at 0 feet above sea level. There would be a very slight dilation in time if the two clocks were displaced and brought together to compare. However, unless they were being constantly accelerated while inside the already accelerating FoR for a very long period of time, at large accelerations, the dilation would be far too small to detect.

In a non-uniform gravitational field, however, as can not be created by an accelerating plane, time dilation will be detected at different altitudes. And it is. This dilation does not require the movement of either clock. As long as you have two clocks at significantly different areas of gravitational potential, you will find time dilation (assuming your clocks are extremely accurate to the nanosecond). This is beyond argument, though if you wish to try it with your own atomic clocks, be my guest.

As for the red-shifting (and also time dilation), when you consider an accelerating Earth, every point on the earth is within the acceleration's "area of effect". You effectively have a flat or uniform gravitational field. I'm not going to bother trying to explain the Pound-Rebka experiment again, nor how it crushes any claims of an accelerating frame of reference with a uniform field. Look it up on your own to see how your interpretation of the EP does not apply to it. Nothing that you are offering is of much significance in these particular situations.
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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #195 on: November 10, 2007, 07:48:54 PM »
tl; dr
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #196 on: November 11, 2007, 04:46:38 AM »
Sorry Gayer, you know I love you.

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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #197 on: November 14, 2007, 03:16:33 AM »
Sorry Gayer, you know I love you.

you better do  >:(
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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #199 on: November 18, 2007, 03:27:54 PM »
This thread was moved to angry ranting the other day due to criticizing of Tom Bishops failure to follow up on critical errors in his explanation of global star patterns. Only the first page is debate, the rest is basically ranting in accordance with where the topic was moved topic was moved.

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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #200 on: November 18, 2007, 04:08:02 PM »
This thread was moved to angry ranting the other day due to criticizing of Tom Bishops failure to follow up on critical errors in his explanation of global star patterns.
Uh, no, it was not for that.


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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #201 on: November 18, 2007, 04:35:01 PM »
Why do REers always try to change the facts to make FEers look bad?  :'(
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Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #202 on: November 18, 2007, 04:41:40 PM »
Or, why do RE'ers always try to change the facts to make themselves look bad.

Re: RE-winning threads
« Reply #203 on: November 18, 2007, 05:16:26 PM »
This thread was moved to angry ranting the other day due to criticizing of Tom Bishops failure to follow up on critical errors in his explanation of global star patterns.
Uh, no, it was not for that.

You're right, it was unnecessary to insult Tom over such a trivial matter and if he is listening I apologize for doing so. I should have asked him to to clarify his model and perhaps express how certain aspects of the star field could be explained under FE theory.

I still however have not heard a plausible explanation of the opposing rotations of star fields in the Northern and Southern hemispheres, that is the only aspect I meant to illustrate here.
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