If all the launches are fake then

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If all the launches are fake then
« on: April 19, 2019, 05:26:55 PM »
You do know that to fake such a huge thing would cost a whole lot more then actually doing it?

It has been proven many times that faking the moon landing would have cost much much more then actually landing on the moon


so lying about something this big would leave our pockets empty

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2019, 05:38:23 PM »
According to this filmmaker, not just expensive, but impossible in 1969.



As I watch cideos of spacex rockets and read about all the different countries landing stuff on the moon, I have to saw if it is all fake, it is the most awesomely impressive accomplishment ever.

Is it possible for something to be both true and unproven?

Are things that are true and proven any different from things that are true but not proven?

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2019, 06:20:51 PM »
You do know that to fake such a huge thing would cost a whole lot more then actually doing it?

It has been proven many times that faking the moon landing would have cost much much more then actually landing on the moon


so lying about something this big would leave our pockets empty

"It has been proven many times ..." Could you please provide references to three of these proofs? (I don't know what your definition of "many" is in this context, but surely it is in excess of three.)

I take it that leaving our pockets empty is hyperbole, so for argument's sake lets say closer to half-empty. Peak NASA budget of $20B in 1966 was 4% of federal budget; from your assertions I'll set the faking budget at 40% or $200B in 1966.

Go.

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2019, 07:13:34 PM »
it was 1969 it would have been impossible to set up the shadows in the videos if u want a quick explanation here :


its corny but it has FACTS in it



not only did Australia pick up the signals so did Russia...
« Last Edit: April 19, 2019, 07:18:42 PM by RoundEarthIsReal »

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2019, 07:43:07 PM »
From what I have read , the FES first put the blame for fake space flights ,  fake moon landings, and so forth just on NASA , the space agency in The United States of America.

Now it seems that just about every  other country in the world is claiming to have space flights , moon landings, and so forth.

So are all these just fakes also ?
 Is it simply a case of " Well , if NASA and the USA can do this , why don't we do the same and get in on the action with our our own fake  space stuff and get some publicity for our country , too ? "

FES , it's just not NASA that is in the game !
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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2019, 08:01:21 PM »
no country is claiming that they have moon landing cuz no one has been on the moon since 11th December 1972

Is it possible for something to be both true and unproven?

Are things that are true and proven any different from things that are true but not proven?

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2019, 08:31:38 PM »
that is every county?

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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2019, 06:00:47 AM »
Well the new guy responded with "FACTS" and a YouTube video so he must be right ::)
Let me explain this in a way you can understand. What you just wrote sounds exactly like something that a gay rights Portuguese Samurai would write.

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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2019, 07:14:50 AM »
You do know that to fake such a huge thing would cost a whole lot more then actually doing it?

It has been proven many times that faking the moon landing would have cost much much more then actually landing on the moon


so lying about something this big would leave our pockets empty

re-calculate it.

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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2019, 07:58:25 AM »
It's a good point, if the NASA, spacex, ESA, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Israeli, Indian, etc launches and landings are all fake AND they are getting away with it, that's actually far more impressive than just doing the real thing.

All those millions of people who are in on it and yet never spill the beans.

Never mind all those people doing their own HAB and rocket launches and getting their own evidence first hand. Image how fast the MIB have to get to them, silence them, re-educate them, provide them with faked imagery and monitor them for life.
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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2019, 08:43:19 AM »
bro faking the moon landing would have been impossible

and silencing over 400k nasa workers, australia, russia and many other countries would have been impossible

if you believe in that then you must believe in a much bigger conspiracy that illuminati is real

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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2019, 09:21:45 AM »
It's a good point, if the NASA, spacex, ESA, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Israeli, Indian, etc launches and landings are all fake AND they are getting away with it, that's actually far more impressive than just doing the real thing.

All those millions of people who are in on it and yet never spill the beans.

Never mind all those people doing their own HAB and rocket launches and getting their own evidence first hand. Image how fast the MIB have to get to them, silence them, re-educate them, provide them with faked imagery and monitor them for life.

Governments are not launching or claiming anything to space. NASA is doing it with cooperation in these countries by creating institues. I want to give an example.

Turkish space agency has been created in past year. but they haven't done a study yet. Because they are waiting experts from NASA to create the system. in a system, the information that you learn are as much as those admins of the system want you learn information. So, Turk workers when the space agency employees will never be involved enough to understand what was done was a fake. and if a small number of experts learn about it, they will be people who have agreed to conceal it.

it's about the wages you give to those people. if you give a worker more than his wages, he will do his best. but; if you give a worker two times more than his wages, he will do his best to defend you.
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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2019, 09:37:18 AM »
Interesting little known fact about the space shuttle.

NASA needed to design escape scenarios for every part of the space shuttle's flight profile.

One plan was that if they failed to reach orbit and they come back to earth prematurely due to an early engine shut down they can still land.
But to pull this off they would need landing strips specially prepared around the world, long and strong enough to handle a shuttle landing.
Well, one of the landing strips is(was) in Namibia, in a very small town called Grootfontein (my wife is from there) and I have been there loads of times.
There is an air-force base there with this ridiculously long landing strip. It was one of the best run air-force bases in Namibia until around 2011 . . . when the shuttle program died.
Half the town died when the base started closing.
Its kinda up and running again.

Here is the special question to space deniers, if hardly anyone in the world knew about the requirement and existence of this base, why do it if it is all fake?
Thats a LOT of money to spend for virtually zero PR benefit.

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2019, 10:12:04 AM »
It's a good point, if the NASA, spacex, ESA, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Israeli, Indian, etc launches and landings are all fake AND they are getting away with it, that's actually far more impressive than just doing the real thing.

All those millions of people who are in on it and yet never spill the beans.

Never mind all those people doing their own HAB and rocket launches and getting their own evidence first hand. Image how fast the MIB have to get to them, silence them, re-educate them, provide them with faked imagery and monitor them for life.

Governments are not launching or claiming anything to space. NASA is doing it with cooperation in these countries by creating institues. I want to give an example.

Turkish space agency has been created in past year. but they haven't done a study yet. Because they are waiting experts from NASA to create the system. in a system, the information that you learn are as much as those admins of the system want you learn information. So, Turk workers when the space agency employees will never be involved enough to understand what was done was a fake. and if a small number of experts learn about it, they will be people who have agreed to conceal it.

it's about the wages you give to those people. if you give a worker more than his wages, he will do his best. but; if you give a worker two times more than his wages, he will do his best to defend you.

We know the rockets go up and come down, that's viewable by any member of the public so you can't claim that's faked.

What's your source of information for your claim that NASA sets up and administers other countries space programs?

You didn't reply to my point about people doing their own HAB and rocket launches.
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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2019, 10:32:16 AM »
There is no point in this argument, I can sum up in two short sentences:

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RE: But what about satellites, hams, gps, directv, multiple space agencies, etc etc etc?

FE: Fakes, conspiracy, and super secret advanced (alien) tech can explain everything.

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And they can. FEs are absolutely right. If you start with the premise that anything might be true, any tech you need exists, and giant secret conspiracies are acceptable explanations, then you can prove anything might be true. RE can never win this argument. FE can't be disproved.

RE can't be disproved either. We are stuck permanently with knowing that anything might be true. This is the FES situation. Anything could be true, any inconsistency can be explained by conspiracy, incompetence, and alien tech. This is theoretically true in the abstract case. Epistemology is highly arguable. Yet we all have this sense that we can and must find truth about things like where the city we want to travel to actually is.

That would be at least crazy making and at worst would cause major, very real problems if people used FEpistemology in daily life. Luckily, there is another form of truth, operational truth. This is the "truth" engineers make when they design nav equipment. The globe, google, gps, nav equipment, geodetic survey, car odometers, time/speed/distance of airline routes, sextant/celestial nav, they all match up. And FEs and REs all use them daily.

FEs may bla bla bla about FE, but when they travel in an airliner or use gps or many things, they are using the operational truth of RE. If FE wants any operational truth, they must do things like produce nav equipment or maps that use FE. Waiting. Until then, the best FE can do is "Well, it could be!"
Is it possible for something to be both true and unproven?

Are things that are true and proven any different from things that are true but not proven?

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2019, 02:58:28 PM »
arguing with a smart person is hard
arguing with a stupid person is impossible

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2019, 11:22:27 PM »
it was 1969 it would have been impossible to set up the shadows in the videos if u want a quick explanation here :


its corny but it has FACTS in it


Facts, huh?

One man's opinion is not fact. Just because your "expert" claims that the lighting isn't possible does not mean that is a fact.

In fact, it's pretty obvious that he's a pretty poor expert on the subject and lacks imagination just because he can't think of any other way that the lighting could be achieved.

So, if I come up with a way that with 1969 technology I can produce the appropriate lighting, you'll concede your "proof" is flawed?

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2019, 11:23:35 PM »
I'll also do it for less than $200B.

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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2019, 12:27:46 AM »
There is something everyone needs to understand (irrespective of the FE vs. RE debate): the REAL space program will never be revealed to the public, under any circumstances, since it is considered to be a state secret.

"The governmental institution known as NASA is a department of the Executive
Branch, ultimately answerable solely to the President of the United States, an Agency
created through the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958."

Original NASA Charter:

"Sec. 305... (i) The [National Aeronautics and Space] Administration shall be
considered a defense agency of the United States for the purpose of Chapter 17, Title 35 of the United States Code..."

"Sec. 205... (d) No [NASA] information which has been classified for reasons of national
security shall be included in any report made under this section [of the Act]..."

The REAL space program cannot be revealed to the public, under any circumstances, ever.

You do know that to fake such a huge thing would cost a whole lot more then actually doing it?

Sure it costs a lot, but then:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/pentagon/#article/part3

The Pentagon alone has never been audited, leaving roughly $8.5 trillion in taxpayer dollars unaccounted for since 1996, the first year it was supposed to be audited.

Dr. Mark Skidmore found that $21 trillion had gone missing from the DOD and HUD budgets between 1998 and 2015.


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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2019, 12:54:20 AM »
There is something everyone needs to understand (irrespective of the FE vs. RE debate): the REAL space program will never be revealed to the public, under any circumstances, since it is considered to be a state secret.
NASA is only a bit player compared to the current commercial space industry.

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2019, 02:23:34 AM »
you can say all the facts are fake which is ignorant btw


but you cant say that nasa silenced their cold war enemies and australians

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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2019, 02:37:43 AM »
The Soviets faked all of the their space missions as well.

The Leonov mission of 1965 was faked:

http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/histind/Fakes/Fakes.htm
http://www.vho.org/tr/2004/3/Kausch250-253.html

What sort of Soviet craft had orbited the earth then, if it was not a space ship with two cosmonauts on board? All stated contradictions and lies expose the secret of Leonov's 'space flight': What Soviet propaganda called 'Voskhod 2' was actually a tiny satellite that carried tape-recorded voices, heartbeats etc. and (faked) telemetric transmissions for a gigantic hoax!

'Four months of solid research interviewing experts in the fields of photo-optics, photo-chemistry and electro-optics, all of whom carefully studied the motion picture film and still photographs officially released by theSoviet Government ... (indicate them to be) double-printed .. The foreground (Leonov) was superimposed on the background (Earth below).The Russian film showed reflections from the glass plate under which a double plate is made ... Leonov was suspended from wire or cables ...In several episodes of the Russian film, light was reflected from a small portion of wire (or cable) attached to Leonov's space suit ...One camera angle was impossible of achievement. This showed Leonov crawling out of his hatch into space. It was a head on shot, so the camera would have had to have been located out in space beyond thespace ship.'


Again, please read.

"The governmental institution known as NASA is a department of the Executive
Branch, ultimately answerable solely to the President of the United States, an Agency
created through the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958."

Original NASA Charter:

"Sec. 305... (i) The [National Aeronautics and Space] Administration shall be
considered a defense agency of the United States for the purpose of Chapter 17, Title 35 of the United States Code..."

"Sec. 205... (d) No [NASA] information which has been classified for reasons of national
security shall be included in any report made under this section [of the Act]..."


The real space program (of any country) cannot be revealed to the public, irrespective of any FE vs RE debate. It is a state secret. That is why, by design, any and all Nasa space missions, disclosed to the public, are completely fake.

The real space program might include spacecrafts which use the Biefeld-Brown effect and perhaps much more, but the public will never find out the details.

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2019, 03:49:09 AM »
The Russians picked up the radio signals FROM THE SKY so they know it was real.  And no, we didnít have the technology then to make reliable robots that could carry recordings of the fake video and execute all the maneuvers to be in the same place as the fake astronauts would be (two critical rocket burns, to park in lunar orbit and to come home, HAD to be done on the far side of the Moon out of contact with Earth), much less detect when something went wrong and INSTANTLY switch to a different video (and audio) recording of the SPECIFIC type of fake disaster as appropriate.

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2019, 03:54:34 AM »
The Soviets faked all of the their space missions as well.

The Leonov mission of 1965 was faked:

http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/histind/Fakes/Fakes.htm
http://www.vho.org/tr/2004/3/Kausch250-253.html

What sort of Soviet craft had orbited the earth then, if it was not a space ship with two cosmonauts on board? All stated contradictions and lies expose the secret of Leonov's 'space flight': What Soviet propaganda called 'Voskhod 2' was actually a tiny satellite that carried tape-recorded voices, heartbeats etc. and (faked) telemetric transmissions for a gigantic hoax!

'Four months of solid research interviewing experts in the fields of photo-optics, photo-chemistry and electro-optics, all of whom carefully studied the motion picture film and still photographs officially released by theSoviet Government ... (indicate them to be) double-printed .. The foreground (Leonov) was superimposed on the background (Earth below).The Russian film showed reflections from the glass plate under which a double plate is made ... Leonov was suspended from wire or cables ...In several episodes of the Russian film, light was reflected from a small portion of wire (or cable) attached to Leonov's space suit ...One camera angle was impossible of achievement. This showed Leonov crawling out of his hatch into space. It was a head on shot, so the camera would have had to have been located out in space beyond thespace ship.'


Again, please read.

"The governmental institution known as NASA is a department of the Executive
Branch, ultimately answerable solely to the President of the United States, an Agency
created through the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958."

Original NASA Charter:

"Sec. 305... (i) The [National Aeronautics and Space] Administration shall be
considered a defense agency of the United States for the purpose of Chapter 17, Title 35 of the United States Code..."

"Sec. 205... (d) No [NASA] information which has been classified for reasons of national
security shall be included in any report made under this section [of the Act]..."


The real space program (of any country) cannot be revealed to the public, irrespective of any FE vs RE debate. It is a state secret. That is why, by design, any and all Nasa space missions, disclosed to the public, are completely fake.

The real space program might include spacecrafts which use the Biefeld-Brown effect and perhaps much more, but the public will never find out the details.

You're actually so far out of touch with real life your opinions are irrelevant.
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The Universal Accelerator is a constant farce.

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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2019, 05:37:15 AM »
The Soviets faked all of the their space missions as well.

The Leonov mission of 1965 was faked:

http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/histind/Fakes/Fakes.htm
http://www.vho.org/tr/2004/3/Kausch250-253.html

What sort of Soviet craft had orbited the earth then, if it was not a space ship with two cosmonauts on board? All stated contradictions and lies expose the secret of Leonov's 'space flight': What Soviet propaganda called 'Voskhod 2' was actually a tiny satellite that carried tape-recorded voices, heartbeats etc. and (faked) telemetric transmissions for a gigantic hoax!

'Four months of solid research interviewing experts in the fields of photo-optics, photo-chemistry and electro-optics, all of whom carefully studied the motion picture film and still photographs officially released by theSoviet Government ... (indicate them to be) double-printed .. The foreground (Leonov) was superimposed on the background (Earth below).The Russian film showed reflections from the glass plate under which a double plate is made ... Leonov was suspended from wire or cables ...In several episodes of the Russian film, light was reflected from a small portion of wire (or cable) attached to Leonov's space suit ...One camera angle was impossible of achievement. This showed Leonov crawling out of his hatch into space. It was a head on shot, so the camera would have had to have been located out in space beyond thespace ship.'


Again, please read.

"The governmental institution known as NASA is a department of the Executive
Branch, ultimately answerable solely to the President of the United States, an Agency
created through the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958."

Original NASA Charter:

"Sec. 305... (i) The [National Aeronautics and Space] Administration shall be
considered a defense agency of the United States for the purpose of Chapter 17, Title 35 of the United States Code..."

"Sec. 205... (d) No [NASA] information which has been classified for reasons of national
security shall be included in any report made under this section [of the Act]..."


The real space program (of any country) cannot be revealed to the public, irrespective of any FE vs RE debate. It is a state secret. That is why, by design, any and all Nasa space missions, disclosed to the public, are completely fake.

The real space program might include spacecrafts which use the Biefeld-Brown effect and perhaps much more, but the public will never find out the details.

are you that out of touch with reality or simply retarded?

i honestly cant tell

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2019, 04:17:17 PM »
I want to know what any FE knows about NASA other than watching FE conspiracy videos. Anyone study physics or astronomy, work there, have some evidence? Any reason to believe FES over NASA other than FE videos?

That's all FE has. Youtube videos.

I have been there, inside, knew several who worked there very well. Yet FEs, with nothing other than youtube videos think they know better than me. They have to, because if I am right, the earth is round, so I have to be wrong. You have to say it more complicated to hide the simplicity of the thinking, but, yeah ...

One can always avoid losing an argument by simply saying some words and deciding they are sufficient, but only for FEs.
Is it possible for something to be both true and unproven?

Are things that are true and proven any different from things that are true but not proven?

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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2019, 10:31:49 AM »
Again, please read.

"The governmental institution known as NASA is a department of the Executive
Branch, ultimately answerable solely to the President of the United States, an Agency
created through the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958."

Original NASA Charter:

"Sec. 305... (i) The [National Aeronautics and Space] Administration shall be
considered a defense agency of the United States for the purpose of Chapter 17, Title 35 of the United States Code..."

"Sec. 205... (d) No [NASA] information which has been classified for reasons of national
security shall be included in any report made under this section [of the Act]..."

Yes, but is funded by Congress. Follow the money.

The real space program (of any country) cannot be revealed to the public, irrespective of any FE vs RE debate. It is a state secret. That is why, by design, any and all Nasa space missions, disclosed to the public, are completely fake.

Who says so and why?

Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2019, 01:59:33 PM »
I have heard from many FEs that when they shot the first orbital missiles and they splatted into the dome, they lied about it to maintain prestige. Interestingly, there have been many failures, two shuttles, Apollo 13, a Russian astronaut, lost or dysfunctional satellites, etc.

For instance, after Challenger, NASA took a big hit to their prestige and inclination for further funding. Why add those to the mix if you are trying to make yourself look good?
Is it possible for something to be both true and unproven?

Are things that are true and proven any different from things that are true but not proven?

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Re: If all the launches are fake then
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2019, 09:22:25 AM »
I have heard from many FEs that when they shot the first orbital missiles and they splatted into the dome, they lied about it to maintain prestige. Interestingly, there have been many failures, two shuttles, Apollo 13, a Russian astronaut, lost or dysfunctional satellites, etc.

For instance, after Challenger, NASA took a big hit to their prestige and inclination for further funding. Why add those to the mix if you are trying to make yourself look good?
Why are the astronauts still alive from Challenger if they were all killed?

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