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« on: January 17, 2007, 05:01:02 PM »
I don't know about everybody else, but I'm sick of all these n00bs coming up with the same false arguments and destroying many interesting topics.  I also would very much like to discuss the greater meanings of this forum and why some people get it and others don't etc. but don't feel it would be appropriate to discuss those issues in public.  Would it possible to have a secret and hidden forum where all the people who have been on this forum for a long time (and do get it) from either side of debate are able to discuss these issues without interruption?  I would be happy to be the group moderator for the usergroup and to do any work that is required if necessary.

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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2007, 05:11:01 PM »
I believe this was actually brought up once in the moderator's section; I think it ended in the creation of the flat earther's only section...

The main problem that was voiced was that this would make the rest of the forums into some creepy intiation that you have to go through before getting access to the "real" forums.

That said, I kinda like the idea.  I think it's nifty.
That's right, I said nifty.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2007, 05:18:08 PM »
I don't want a forum like the flat earthers forum - I definitely want a forum where there are opposing views and genuine discussion.  I just want a forum where the flat earth theory can be discussed in the context of what it really is, and without the billions of n00bs putting forward the same views.  There is currently no discussion that I have seen that I would prefer to see happening there - although it could be said that there are some topics I would take part in if they weren't dominated by n00bs.  So it wouldn't make the rest of the forum an initiation, simply because the rest of the forum would remain as it is.  It would just improve the experience for some of us - especially me :D
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2007, 05:22:23 PM »
I haven't looked at the Flat Earth forum for months...  But on these other topics I admit that I get tired of some people.
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2007, 05:36:56 PM »
I personally would suggest that Daniel switch to a different board software, like vBulletin or Invision Powerboard.  They have much more comprehensive member "status" systems, where making a simple flag that lets people see a certain forum a lot easier.

I certainly agree a more civilized area for discussion is needed myself.  Most of the decent discussions we have end up being drowned in TEH ERT IZ ROND trolls, and idiots like sodapop that refuse to type properly.
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2007, 05:51:04 PM »
A members only forum would be a realy good idea. Anything to keep out the "IS R0u|\|4" people.
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2007, 06:03:56 PM »
I think it would be good if it also kept out people who, even though before that member might have made excellent posts, now troll and flame without contribution

but who am I to talk? born yesterday lol.
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2007, 06:09:40 PM »
This would be a great deal, and what we should do is set it up so that it is managed by it's occupants, thus ensuring that anybody allowed in has the approval of it's members.

Perhaps we could set up a 'board' that rotates members in and out of it.

If someone wants to invite someone in, it goes before the current board, and they vote.  A 2/3rds majority allows the person in.  If the person is unanimously elected, they will be eligible for future board positions.

If someone degenerates into a flaming wretch of a man, they can be exiled by a majority vote of the board.

I suggest this board has 5 members, is rotated on a monthly basis, and membership is limited to those people who have been unanimously voted into the community.

Also, a chairman who is responsible for keeping the council informed (via PM) of issues, and of tallying votes.  This should be elected from the current council for the next month long cycle.  The person must be nominated for the position by another member of the community, and then must recieve the majority of the votes by the community.  He will also have the option to settle ties (if they arise.)
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RESOCR

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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2007, 06:22:22 PM »
if possible, i would love to be a part of this project

but hey, thats just me. I want to be a part of everything.  :roll:
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2007, 06:51:38 PM »
wtf Astantia why are you trying to make a whole elaborate government out of this?  I'll lol if you write a Constitution for it  :D
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2007, 06:58:47 PM »
Well, I suggested a simple idea:

The forum is run by the people.

However, this is rather vague, so, in order to establish a system by which this idea could function, I made my post.


Was it too long for you?  Would you like to suggest a simpler idea?
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2007, 07:33:42 PM »
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wtf Astantia why are you trying to make a whole elaborate government out of this?  I'll lol if you write a Constitution for it  :D


Haha.  This is true.

It would be simpler to just have a user flag that the mods/admins can enable disable to allow us access to it.  Probably much like what they do with the Flat Earth Believers forum.
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2007, 10:01:02 PM »
I like the idea, but I don't want it to be too exclusive. If I were going to set up a system to control access, I'd say give access to anyone who PMs a moderator requesting it. Of course, if it were hidden, you'd have to know it exists first, so most of the noobs who show up on the forums would never know about it. If someone who knew about it saw someone who they thought should be in it, they could just send the new person a PM letting them know about the special subforum, and how to get access, so it would spread by word of mouth. Inevitably some noobs and trolls would get in, but they would be few enough that they could just be ignored and would learn to go away. (Of course, for this to work, we'd want to set up a general policy of "ignore trolls".) I like this idea much better than something more exclusive, because in my experience private subforums promote insularity and are reluctant to let any new blood in, even if that new blood deserves access.
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2007, 05:58:18 AM »
I couldn't be more in agreement with Skeptical.  I don't want a forum where everybody agrees with me; far from it.  I want a forum where I can discuss issues seriously and get serious responses.  I have learnt enough about the world to know that almost all the time there is an opinion at least as valid as mine that is just as accurate.  Unfortunately on TFES it seems that most of the opinions do not match those circumstances, but are in fact, the opinions of morons.  We need to find a way of getting around the disruption of those opinions, while still challenging ourselves.  I think the rules SS proposed would be perfect.  We can always change the policy if things don't work too.  Lets not be polite about this, lets say what we think :D

Cheers,
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2007, 08:14:09 AM »
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I couldn't be more in agreement with Skeptical.  I don't want a forum where everybody agrees with me; far from it.  I want a forum where I can discuss issues seriously and get serious responses.  I have learnt enough about the world to know that almost all the time there is an opinion at least as valid as mine that is just as accurate.  Unfortunately on TFES it seems that most of the opinions do not match those circumstances, but are in fact, the opinions of morons.  We need to find a way of getting around the disruption of those opinions, while still challenging ourselves.  I think the rules SS proposed would be perfect.  We can always change the policy if things don't work too.  Lets not be polite about this, lets say what we think :D

Cheers,


Great FKUCING idea
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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2007, 09:42:58 AM »
It is possible to make hidden or locked forums on phpBB, if that's what you're talking about.
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2007, 12:40:26 PM »
except all that does is make a hidden version of what we havr now

i think moderators should review the persons posting habits, then allow access.
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2007, 04:29:36 PM »
Thanks for the tip.  I'm sure we all already knew that.  I clearly wasn't asking if it were possible, but asking if it could be done and I think RESOCR you should actually read the topic, because clearly we don't want, nor would we get, a hidden version of any of the current forums.  Your uninformed opinions are a waste of everybody's time.  Try to find out what's actually going on before saying something please.
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2007, 05:14:50 PM »
I think the idea of PMing a mod/admin to get in would be a great idea, assuming the mods would be willing to agree to it. I'm also kind of sick of threads being attacked and hearty discussion completely obliterated by the incoming of morons who think they're better than everybody, and also it takes away from the formation of actually fun debates because of the influx of the same topics which are repeated over and over daily (quite literally).
I think this would be pretty awesome.

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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2007, 03:30:28 AM »
I think this idea is absolutely brilliant and I support it fully 100%.

Before you start to get worried and think I'd like to join it allow me to explain why I'd like it.

1. It gets rid of the "serious" FEers, the one's who a playing at devil's advocate or honing their debating skills or the ones who believe they are doing Good by trying to get REers to question their beliefs.

2. It would also take care of the "serious" REers. The one's who believe there's a point in trying to prove the shape of the earth and who are motivated to "save" us from our "delusions".

All in all I think it would be good to have the separation, that way the heads and the tails will finally be on two sides of the coin as opposed to the way the forums set up now.

It should also become pretty apparent who the serious REers are by the way they address are arguments. You could observe them in the main forum and then send them a PM to invite them. This would make FEers like me (the "real" FEers) a buffer to the more intellectual debates.

To add another safeguard you could first have a nomination in the private forum for a candidate to join. Start a thread naming the person and providing links to some of their posts and then have a poll whether the private members want them to join the forum or not. Run the poll for a set ammount of days and if they get a certain number of votes in favour then they get sent a PM invite.

What do you think.

P.S. If I didn't make it clear I wouldn't want to bother you on your private forum.
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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2007, 06:42:54 AM »
Quote from: "midgard"
I think this idea is absolutely brilliant and I support it fully 100%.

Before you start to get worried and think I'd like to join it allow me to explain why I'd like it.

1. It gets rid of the "serious" FEers, the one's who a playing at devil's advocate or honing their debating skills or the ones who believe they are doing Good by trying to get REers to question their beliefs.

2. It would also take care of the "serious" REers. The one's who believe there's a point in trying to prove the shape of the earth and who are motivated to "save" us from our "delusions".

All in all I think it would be good to have the separation, that way the heads and the tails will finally be on two sides of the coin as opposed to the way the forums set up now.

It should also become pretty apparent who the serious REers are by the way they address are arguments. You could observe them in the main forum and then send them a PM to invite them. This would make FEers like me (the "real" FEers) a buffer to the more intellectual debates.

To add another safeguard you could first have a nomination in the private forum for a candidate to join. Start a thread naming the person and providing links to some of their posts and then have a poll whether the private members want them to join the forum or not. Run the poll for a set ammount of days and if they get a certain number of votes in favour then they get sent a PM invite.

What do you think.

P.S. If I didn't make it clear I wouldn't want to bother you on your private forum.


this is much like what I would think we need.




Beast please, not only have I read the entirety of the thread I have put in posts before that one. I did not say, nor ever did, that is what we want or need. We cannot have open acceptance into the new forum, or we will get a hidden version of what we have now.
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2007, 08:24:01 AM »
Can you take Tom Moore with you?
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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2007, 01:11:42 PM »
The only problem I can see with that is you willturn people away from the forum.  There is only so many ways to argue that the earth is flat.  from where this forum started to where it is now, I would suggest that you get on the Flat Earth Bandwagon because it is the only thing that make sense.  The Earth is Flat, just look out the window
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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2007, 08:08:02 PM »
Well if this (Knight's) AiG idea takes off, we definitely need our own private forum and perhaps also an exclusive IRC channel.
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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2007, 08:11:42 PM »
Perhaps you guys'd be taken more seriously if you had your own domain.  Or at least not one afiliated with "The Flat Earth Society."  Don't get me wrong, I love this place, but at face value not a lot of people would understand or appreciate your cause if it were based here.
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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2007, 05:10:48 PM »
bump.

If an admin doesn't comment in this topic soon, I will pm them :)
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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2007, 05:15:03 PM »
It has been raised in the mod forum also.
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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2007, 06:33:35 PM »
I would back a private forum, as well as a wiki.
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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2007, 02:34:11 AM »
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It has been raised in the mod forum also.

Thanks for the heads up, Rick James. I assume you'll let us know what is decided and why, once a decision is made?
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« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2007, 09:37:27 AM »
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I think the idea of PMing a mod/admin to get in would be a great idea

That is how Chaltier operated the Flat Earth Believers Category.

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I don't know about everybody else, but I'm sick of all these n00bs coming up with the same false arguments and destroying many interesting topics.  I also would very much like to discuss the greater meanings of this forum and why some people get it and others don't etc. but don't feel it would be appropriate to discuss those issues in public.  Would it possible to have a secret and hidden forum where all the people who have been on this forum for a long time (and do get it) from either side of debate are able to discuss these issues without interruption?  I would be happy to be the group moderator for the usergroup and to do any work that is required if necessary.

Cheers


beast,

The Flat Earth Believers Category was Chaltier's idea, and created at my request after I had made a gripe about this website last spring that had some similar but somewhat more critical concerns, and cheesejof suggested a Flat Earth Believers Only Forum.  It was indeed designed as a more restricted category.  I personally liked it, and I think the very few other members of it did as well.

Both Chaltier and myself did want to get into more in-depth discussions which have occurred to a limited extent, but it effectively turned into a forum where I could post essays undisturbed under the pen name of Lord Byron.  

However, I understand your idea for another User Group with a similar purpose and with a somewhat larger membership who are already familiar with the issues.  There is a need for this, and I endorse your proposal.  I endorse both you and Dogplatter as moderators of such a forum, and suggest you might consult Chaltier and especially Dogplatter (because he is the more active of the two).

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