What's going to happen to Amazon's 'Project Kuiper'?

So Jeff Bezos says Amazon is planning to launch more that 3,000 satellites that will operate in low earth orbit to provide internet to the world. In the view of flat earth theorists, is Amazon aware of the fact that the earth is not a sphere and Amazon is part of the conspiracy? Or is Amazon unaware and will find out eventually that the earth is flat when their rockets hit the dome or disappear, or whatever?

SpaceX also says it's planning to launch over 4,000 satellites in the future to offer the same thing.

How do you (flat earthers) interpret these stories or claims by these companies? Are they lying? Are they naive? Why would private companies invest billions and billions into something that won't bring them an ROI, where they would have to dupe thousands and thousands of people working for them in order to pull off?

If Amazon is successful in providing earth-wide broadband internet, are we to believe that they are actually not using satellites as they claim, but instead are using towers like cell phone signals and other wireless internet providers?

I am not trolling. I am legit asking how a person with the flat earth worldview processes these stories, because it is interesting to me.

Thanks.

Project Kuiper: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/04/amazon-project-kuiper-broadband-internet-small-satellite-network.html
SpaceX: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/17/spacex-testing-its-own-satellite-broadband-internet-network.html

Amateur radio operators have been building and launching their own satellites for years.

https://www.amsat.org/

Next one is on SpaceX.

There are endless youtube videos of them pointing very directional homemade antennas up in the sky to where a satellite would be and talking with people thousands of miles away.

DirecTV has a web page that lists the direction to point your dish, use it on FE and they do not point at the same spot.

A lot of countries have satellites, soon a lot of companies. The NASA conspiracy is going to need a bigger budget.

Amateur radio operators have been building and launching their own satellites for years.

https://www.amsat.org/

Next one is on SpaceX.

There are endless youtube videos of them pointing very directional homemade antennas up in the sky to where a satellite would be and talking with people thousands of miles away.

DirecTV has a web page that lists the direction to point your dish, use it on FE and they do not point at the same spot.

A lot of countries have satellites, soon a lot of companies. The NASA conspiracy is going to need a bigger budget.

NASA's going to need a massively bigger budget.

By the way "the global space economy in 2017 was $348 billion" which makes NASA's $20 billion look like small change.
So if all these people are bribed into hiding the true shape of the earth who is paying them?

That's for 2017 and:

Global Space Industry Market and Technology Forecast to 2026
The Space Industry is emerging as one of the most lucrative industry globally. The Space Industry, is valued at US$ 360 billion in 2018, is projected grow at a CAGR of 5.6%, to value US$ 558 billion by 2026

Maybe flat earthers and other space deniers will be left out in the cold.

No flat earther has an opinion about this?

You're new here aren't you?

Some other no reply posts:

sextant/north star/latitude
equatorial mount
where is the FE map
amateur radio satellites
SpaceX and Amazon satellites

Even replies may fail to satisfy. Read the FAQ - although they do not support the FAQ, many think it incomplete, out of date, or whatever.  You are supposed to search the threads, try it and let me know how it goes for you. Difficult and time consuming with their search facility.

They may answer with absurdities of various sorts, misunderstanding of real science, changes to the laws of physics, claiming the answer has already been given and repeating that, diving into pages of equations about special relativity, saying FE is a young science and hasn't had time to figure this out, so many tactics to defend RE.

And by the way, you are brainwashed. They don't obviously throw this in your face, but implicit in their idea is they are smart to see through it, and you are fooled by it, literally a fool.

The only real thing here is endless insistence that the world is not round and NASA is fake.

It's too late for me, but you can still save yourself.

It's too late for me, but you can still save yourself.

Haha. Okay thanks.

Quote from: jimster on April 05, 2019, 02:08:11 PM

It's too late for me, but you can still save yourself.

Haha. Okay thanks.

Responding to jimster is like arguing with a baby who wants cookies for dinner.

Responding to jimster is like arguing with a baby who wants cookies for dinner.

I demand my cookies in ice-cream!

No flat earther has an opinion about this?

How could they? According to most of them artificial satellites are impossible but somehow the sun, moon, planets happily circle about 5000 km above the earth.

So why couldn't artificial satellites circle about 5000 km above the earth.

So where is there a problem with "Jeff Bezos saying Amazon is planning to launch more that 3,000 satellites"  and
"SpaceX also . . . . planning to launch over 4,000 satellites". As far as I know SpaceX have already launched some test satellites already.

But FEers have to declare all these fakes because they'd be sure to show the true shape of the earth.

His ex-wife will need to pay for it.

I believe the earth is probably flat.
 When i think about this mass satellite putch it makes me uncomfortable. If there real, it's disturbingly big action, if not , the lie is equally if not more disturbing. There are a lot of unkowns. Having pursued various pathways into the unkown and been left with more questions then answers, i already know that i'll probably never grasp the intracacies of this problem as to me it is all far away/ big business/ heavily influential and propagandable. sorry to say, but it kindof just seems like another river being damned up by the movers and shakers.

But i don't feel like i have to explain it because i think i've seen farther than the curvature should allow for, like at the beach. Never really figured out if satellites are possibleor not.

His ex-wife will need to pay for it.

I think Jeff Bezos still has a few coins left to rub together, maybe at least $US50 billion worth.

So Jeff Bezos says Amazon is planning to launch more that 3,000 satellites that will operate in low earth orbit to provide internet to the world. In the view of flat earth theorists, is Amazon aware of the fact that the earth is not a sphere and Amazon is part of the conspiracy? Or is Amazon unaware and will find out eventually that the earth is flat when their rockets hit the dome or disappear, or whatever?

SpaceX also says it's planning to launch over 4,000 satellites in the future to offer the same thing.

How do you (flat earthers) interpret these stories or claims by these companies? Are they lying? Are they naive? Why would private companies invest billions and billions into something that won't bring them an ROI, where they would have to dupe thousands and thousands of people working for them in order to pull off?

If Amazon is successful in providing earth-wide broadband internet, are we to believe that they are actually not using satellites as they claim, but instead are using towers like cell phone signals and other wireless internet providers?

I am not trolling. I am legit asking how a person with the flat earth worldview processes these stories, because it is interesting to me.

Thanks.

Project Kuiper: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/04/amazon-project-kuiper-broadband-internet-small-satellite-network.html
SpaceX: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/17/spacex-testing-its-own-satellite-broadband-internet-network.html

all global companies are part of the conspiracy.

they probably don't have a work on satellites. I mean, I think they are going to established a terrestrial communication network on earth.

You're wellcome.

all global companies are part of the conspiracy.

You think global companies are conspiring to hide that the earth is flat?  If they're global, what's to hide?

all global companies are part of the conspiracy.

they probably don't have a work on satellites. I mean, I think they are going to established a terrestrial communication network on earth.

You're wellcome.

So when a company only operates domestically, they are not part of the conspiracy? Then when they start to offer products or services internationally, they become part of the conspiracy? How does that work exactly?

"Yes, you can start offering your services in the UK, but first... we must tell you... the earth is actually flat!. You have to keep it a secret, only a few people know! You okay with that?"

A little tongue-in-cheek, but do you realize how silly that sounds? 

I guess the point of your response is to say that you just assume that Amazon and SpaceX are lying, right? I'm not necessarily here to debate that. I just wanted to know how flat earth believers handle these kinds of stories. So thanks for your response.

Quote from: Jargon on April 04, 2019, 04:12:44 PM

So Jeff Bezos says Amazon is planning to launch more that 3,000 satellites that will operate in low earth orbit to provide internet to the world. In the view of flat earth theorists, is Amazon aware of the fact that the earth is not a sphere and Amazon is part of the conspiracy? Or is Amazon unaware and will find out eventually that the earth is flat when their rockets hit the dome or disappear, or whatever?

SpaceX also says it's planning to launch over 4,000 satellites in the future to offer the same thing.

How do you (flat earthers) interpret these stories or claims by these companies? Are they lying? Are they naive? Why would private companies invest billions and billions into something that won't bring them an ROI, where they would have to dupe thousands and thousands of people working for them in order to pull off?

If Amazon is successful in providing earth-wide broadband internet, are we to believe that they are actually not using satellites as they claim, but instead are using towers like cell phone signals and other wireless internet providers?

I am not trolling. I am legit asking how a person with the flat earth worldview processes these stories, because it is interesting to me.

Thanks.

Project Kuiper: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/04/amazon-project-kuiper-broadband-internet-small-satellite-network.html
SpaceX: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/17/spacex-testing-its-own-satellite-broadband-internet-network.html

all global companies are part of the conspiracy.

they probably don't have a work on satellites. I mean, I think they are going to established a terrestrial communication network on earth.

You're wellcome.

As with GPS, how would this work in the middle of oceans?  Satellite tv dishes work successfully.

I'm gonna follow this story.

Quote from: wise on April 06, 2019, 11:33:24 AM

all global companies are part of the conspiracy.

they probably don't have a work on satellites. I mean, I think they are going to established a terrestrial communication network on earth.

You're wellcome.

So when a company only operates domestically, they are not part of the conspiracy? Then when they start to offer products or services internationally, they become part of the conspiracy? How does that work exactly?

"Yes, you can start offering your services in the UK, but first... we must tell you... the earth is actually flat!. You have to keep it a secret, only a few people know! You okay with that?"

A little tongue-in-cheek, but do you realize how silly that sounds? 

I guess the point of your response is to say that you just assume that Amazon and SpaceX are lying, right? I'm not necessarily here to debate that. I just wanted to know how flat earth believers handle these kinds of stories. So thanks for your response.

If you have prejudices, so I cannot change them. I just can explain how I think about this things. we need to understand that global capital is in the hands of a single power. that is, when a few families whose dominate the earth want to strengthen a company, that company gets stronger. Otherwise a company never becomes a global company. Often the companies they choose are the companies they are already partners with. all crises work in their favor, and again in the peace environment, they still have the highest winning rate. In short, it is impossible to compete with these groups in terms of capital. if a power becomes global, only one or a few companies change their names.

I mean, neither google, nor amazon, nor space x have borned from absence. They were always a part of conspiracy. if a company suddenly shines, it is one of them and has strong capital support. Why is everybody use facebook, twitter and instegram, but not "arabul, duzdunya, etc..."? Because TV's are advertising these companies, leaders are advertising these companies. leaders are working global powers, global powers are supporting them. This vicious circle can not change without a revolution.

Wise said "Global"!!

There you have it, admission that the Earth is NOT flat!

Wise said "Global"!!

There you have it, admission that the Earth is NOT flat!

"Global company" is a term, I can not tell it anyway else. If there would be a term as "flatal company" then I would prefered to use it.

"Global company" is a term, I can not tell it anyway else. If there would be a term as "flatal company" then I would prefered to use it.

You could have worded it this way, "Otherwise a company never becomes a worldwide company."

But earlier you wrote,

I mean, neither google, nor amazon, nor space x have borned from absence. They were always a part of conspiracy. if a company suddenly shines, it is one of them and has strong capital support.

You cannot expect anyone to believe a claim like, "They were always a part of conspiracy" unless you can show some evidence of that.

SpaceX just launched an Arabian communications satellite, Arabsat-6A as shown in this video. Who paid SpaceX the $US90 million or so for that launch?

Watch SpaceX's second Falcon Heavy launch LIVE from 5 miles away! Everyday Astronaut.

If all these rocket launches simply dump the rocket into the ocean who pays the launch companies?
There is no possibility that NASA could bribe the whole Global space industry because their total budget is only a bit over $US20 billion and:

Global Space Industry Market and Technology Forecast to 2026
The Space Industry is emerging as one of the most lucrative industry globally. The Space Industry, is valued at US$ 360 billion in 2018, is projected grow at a CAGR of 5.6%, to value US$ 558 billion by 2026

So where is there any evidence to back up your claim that "They were always a part of conspiracy"?

I worked in a global tech company, big, famous, and global. My office was just down the hall from a vice president, was in meetings with them, did budgets and tech plan reviews. Gauranteed no secret FE at my multi-national company. Gaurantee there was a board of directors and auditor, and by law must be one for every corporation. Gaurantee that there is a complete org chart. Gaurantee many many study this chart, work with all organizations. It is inconceivable to me there could be any part of my company with any size and budget taht would be secret and no one would know or question.

Legal: accounting, annual report, etc, lie and go to jail with the college bribery people. Also, people transfer around, leave and new hire, have meetings where different departments tell each other what's up. Do the FE hiders eat on the company cafeteria? Any coworker ever say "What you working on?" There was a big secret project at my company, everyone knew what they were doing, and there were rumours of specifics, the ones I heard turned out to be true. Having enough people to do anything increases the chance of discovery, and having few limits your power.

Would love to see when the new vp of engineering goes into the meeting where he finds out FE and there is a secret part of his dept they did not tell him in the interviews that helps NASA hide FE. All in one meeting or break it to him gently over several meetings. In these meetings, will they show him D. Marble and Rob Skiba videos? When he leaves the meeting, will he be excited or disturbed or or be able to calmly interact with co-workers as though nothing happened? When he goes home, does he say to his wife, "Honey what's for dinner? Nothing happened at the office today." If the man has a couple drinks, does he ever say things he shouldn't? Maybe some high ranking people hired get killed by NASA?

How much evidence do you have theat big corps hide FE? Anything other than thinking it must be so because the world is flat and full of conspiracies?

I worked in a global tech company, big, famous, and global. My office was just down the hall from a vice president, was in meetings with them, did budgets and tech plan reviews.

OMG, your importent.   

Quote from: jimster on April 12, 2019, 03:44:06 PM

I worked in a global tech company, big, famous, and global. My office was just down the hall from a vice president, was in meetings with them, did budgets and tech plan reviews.

OMG, your importent.   

So what. There are quite a few highly qualified people here.
We have international airline pilot(s)^[1], scientists including two Flat Earth Scientists (a Flat Earth Sultan and a Professor ), a number of engineers and even a very capable industrial graphic designer , I believe.

[1] One pilot gave up posting here after trolling by a couple of low-lifes here, one has made only two posts but numerous anti-flat-earth videos.
      Another currently flies 777s but, for understandable reasons, prefers to keep a low profile.

PS: This just appeared on YouTube. It is unrelated to the topic but is relevant to Bullwinkle's post.
This pilot, Wolfie6020 is the member that "made only two posts but numerous anti-flat-earth videos" and flies "fly a Global Express XRS Corporate jet".

Flat Earth destroyed again by the Sun setting below eye level. by Wolfie6020.

At this moment in life, I have only the significance of being a person.

I guarantee they know where every penny goes. Every year they do a giant project to plan and the accountants check against that plan. They also have corp auditors. They try to make it impossible to do secret projects. How much conspiracy can $0 buy? Lying about such things is your job, the board watches, and if it involves accounting lies, criminal. Aside, you would be surprised how much ethics and legal training there is there. An explicit part of my job was to watch for salesman shenanigans.

Do FEs ever find another FE's ideas to be impossible and ridiculous? Are there more and less believable FE posts?

At this moment in life, I have only the significance of being a person.

well said.