Space travel cannot be faked

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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2019, 04:23:53 AM »
My burden of proof is
Your burden of proof is to demonstrate your claim is true.
You claimed space travel is impossible as we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.

As such the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.
Just why can't we pass the Van Allen Belts?

I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts. NASA astro'NOTs are saying it. It is not a claim, it is a fact. You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.

NASA engineer admits they cant get past the Van Allen Belts by Seb Menard
Your video is a useless distortion of the facts!
No one says that astronauts cannot pass through the Van Allen Belts just that the new shielding in the new Orion spacecraft must be tested!

Trial By Fire: Moon Landing Deniers Fail Test of Reason by GreaterSapien


Claims of "You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken" are ridiculous.
No one ever said that you can "pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken."

The radiation in the VABs is particulate radiation in the form of electrons (β radiation) and protons.
Quote from: Jillian Scudder
Why Aren't The Van Allen Belts A Barrier To Spaceflight?
The problem with the Van Allen belts lies not in them being impassable, but in the charged particles they contain.

Charged particles are damaging to human bodies, but the amount of damage done can range from none to lethal, depending on the energy those particles deposit, the density of those particles, and the length of time you spend being exposed to them.
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ENVIRONMENT: radiation and the Van Allen Belts
Metals can be used to shield against particle radiation, but they are not the ideal substance. Polyethylene is the choice of particle shielding today, and various substances were available to the Apollo engineers to absorb Van Allen radiation. The fibrous insulation between the inner and outer hulls of the command module was likely the most effective form of radiation shielding. When metals must be used in spacecraft (e.g., for structural strength) then a lighter metal such as aluminum is better than heavier metals such as steel or lead.

The notion that only vast amounts of a very heavy metal could shield against Van Allen belt radiation is a good indicator of how poorly though out the conspiracist radiation case is. What the conspiracists say is the only way of shielding against the Van Allen belt radiation turns out to be the worst way to attempt to do it!

Now there is one person who might just might know a lot more than you and I about the Van Allen Belts and that is Professor James A. Van Allen himself!
Quote from: Professor Van Allen
Dear Mr. Lambert,

In reply to your e-mail, I send you the following copy of a response that I wrote to another inquiry about 2 months ago --

The radiation belts of the Earth do, indeed, pose important constraints on the safety of human space flight.

The very energetic (tens to hundreds of MeV) protons in the inner radiation belt are the most dangerous and most difficult to shield against. Specifically, prolonged flights (i.e., ones of many months' duration) of humans or other animals in orbits about the Earth must be conducted at altitudes less than about 250 miles in order to avoid significant radiation exposure.

A person in the cabin of a space shuttle in a circular equatorial orbit in the most intense region of the inner radiation belt, at an altitude of about 1000 miles, would be subjected to a fatal dosage of radiation in about one week.

However, the outbound and inbound trajectories of the Apollo spacecraft cut through the outer portions of the inner belt and because of their high speed spent only about 15 minutes in traversing the region and less than 2 hours in traversing the much less penetrating radiation in the outer radiation belt. The resulting radiation exposure for the round trip was less than 1% of a fatal dosage - a very minor risk among the far greater other risks of such flights. I made such estimates in the early 1960s and so informed NASA engineers who were planning the Apollo flights. These estimates are still reliable.

The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense.

James A. Van Allen

The above is contained in: Thread: Statement from James Van Allen on radiation effects, SpitfireIX

Now,  please Wise let this be an end to your ridiculous claims about the Van Allen Belts unless you claim to know more than Prof James A. Van Allen.
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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2019, 05:42:28 AM »
My burden of proof is
Your burden of proof is to demonstrate your claim is true.
You claimed space travel is impossible as we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.
This is a blatant lie you are yet to back up in any way.
As such the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.
Just why can't we pass the Van Allen Belts?

This is an especially strange claim as we have passed them and sent people to the moon.

I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts. NASA astro'NOTs are saying it. It is not a claim, it is a fact. You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.


That isn't what is being said in that video. He is talking about testing the electronics and shielding on the new spacecraft. Of course the new spacecraft needs to be tested before sending people on it. Says nothing about previous trips in other spacecraft.

Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2019, 11:29:56 AM »
The Van Allen belt argument always seemed weird to me.

If the idea is that NASA lies about everything, why would they even say that the Van Allen belt is a factor in the first place?

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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2019, 12:29:31 PM »
Interesting thing. They never actually passed right through the belt. They went around it. The Van Allen belt is a belt or ring around earth with high concentration of radiation. So their trajectory was to go around the belt and not through it.

Don't know why this myth even exists. They probably can go through it, but they didnt

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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2019, 12:47:21 PM »
The Van Allen belt argument always seemed weird to me.

If the idea is that NASA lies about everything, why would they even say that the Van Allen belt is a factor in the first place?

we call it "to give a real message between lies". They know they aren't going anywhere. Their bosses aka presidents know they arent going anywehere. But they have to explain why they are not going anywhere. In one hand they are saying they to go the moon, on the other hand they are explaining why they can not go to the moon.

-the advisors of the president shall explain this technical situation to the president.
-We smart people can get what they have explained and why they can not go anywhere.
- Ordinary people, low educated people, so called scientists ie purchased authors, and others will say they are going to the moon whenever they want.

In this way, taxpayers can continue to pay their taxes in peace.
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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2019, 03:01:29 PM »
Interesting thing. They never actually passed right through the belt. They went around it. The Van Allen belt is a belt or ring around earth with high concentration of radiation. So their trajectory was to go around the belt and not through it.

Don't know why this myth even exists. They probably can go through it, but they didnt
It isn't just a ring around the equator. They covers a large portion of Earth, but it is most intense near the equator. They went through a fairly weak section of it. Some people will say that is going through, others will say going around.

We can go through it, the only issue is how much shielding is needed, which now depends a lot upon the electronics rather than the people as the tiny components of ICs can be damaged with much weaker electric fields.

we call it "to give a real message between lies".
Whereas honest people call it "blatantly lying about what they said."

Now do you have anything to back up your claim that we can't go through the belts?

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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2019, 03:27:27 PM »
The Van Allen belt argument always seemed weird to me.

If the idea is that NASA lies about everything, why would they even say that the Van Allen belt is a factor in the first place?

we call it "to give a real message between lies". They know they aren't going anywhere. Their bosses aka presidents know they arent going anywehere. But they have to explain why they are not going anywhere. In one hand they are saying they to go the moon, on the other hand they are explaining why they can not go to the moon.
So you claim to be wiser than Professor James A. Van Allen and pretend to know more about the Van Allen Belts he does.

Read this again: Space travel cannot be faked Reply #60 on: June 11, 2019, 09:23:53 PM especially the letter from Professor James A. Van Allen.

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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #67 on: June 14, 2019, 12:47:12 AM »
The Van Allen belt argument always seemed weird to me.

If the idea is that NASA lies about everything, why would they even say that the Van Allen belt is a factor in the first place?

we call it "to give a real message between lies". They know they aren't going anywhere. Their bosses aka presidents know they arent going anywehere. But they have to explain why they are not going anywhere. In one hand they are saying they to go the moon, on the other hand they are explaining why they can not go to the moon.
So you claim to be wiser than Professor James A. Van Allen and pretend to know more about the Van Allen Belts he does.

Read this again: Space travel cannot be faked Reply #60 on: June 11, 2019, 09:23:53 PM especially the letter from Professor James A. Van Allen.

What is important here is the theory put forward, not the name van allen. this theory has become public. You can frighten Van Allen and force him to write anything you want. you can copy his handwriting, or convince him with some material motivation. but you cannot convince, scare, or deceive his theory.

In short, van allan belts are fact, but not the name of van allen. He is a human like us, but his thery isn't.
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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #68 on: June 14, 2019, 12:59:08 AM »
The Van Allen belt argument always seemed weird to me.

If the idea is that NASA lies about everything, why would they even say that the Van Allen belt is a factor in the first place?

we call it "to give a real message between lies". They know they aren't going anywhere. Their bosses aka presidents know they arent going anywehere. But they have to explain why they are not going anywhere. In one hand they are saying they to go the moon, on the other hand they are explaining why they can not go to the moon.
So you claim to be wiser than Professor James A. Van Allen and pretend to know more about the Van Allen Belts he does.

Read this again: Space travel cannot be faked Reply #60 on: June 11, 2019, 09:23:53 PM especially the letter from Professor James A. Van Allen.

What is important here is the theory put forward, not the name van allen. this theory has become public. You can frighten Van Allen and force him to write anything you want. you can copy his handwriting, or convince him with some material motivation. but you cannot convince, scare, or deceive his theory.
Please post the evidence that you have to support this accusation or admit that it's no more than guesswork!

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In short, van allan belts are fact, but not the name of van allen. He is a human like us, but his thery isn't.
Of course the Van Allen Belts are a fact and in admitting the reality of the Van Allen Belts you have admitted that space is real and that rockets do work in space!

That is because Dr James A Van Allen's information and all other information about the Van Allen Belts was found from rockets going thousands up into space,.

Case closed!

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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #69 on: June 14, 2019, 01:11:18 AM »
In short, van allan belts are fact, but not the name of van allen. He is a human like us, but his thery isn't.
I believe wise just admitted that he believes in space travel, a round earth and the science that NASA produces.
3 in one!

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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #70 on: June 14, 2019, 01:17:11 AM »
The Van Allen belt argument always seemed weird to me.

If the idea is that NASA lies about everything, why would they even say that the Van Allen belt is a factor in the first place?

we call it "to give a real message between lies". They know they aren't going anywhere. Their bosses aka presidents know they arent going anywehere. But they have to explain why they are not going anywhere. In one hand they are saying they to go the moon, on the other hand they are explaining why they can not go to the moon.
So you claim to be wiser than Professor James A. Van Allen and pretend to know more about the Van Allen Belts he does.

Read this again: Space travel cannot be faked Reply #60 on: June 11, 2019, 09:23:53 PM especially the letter from Professor James A. Van Allen.

What is important here is the theory put forward, not the name van allen. this theory has become public. You can frighten Van Allen and force him to write anything you want. you can copy his handwriting, or convince him with some material motivation. but you cannot convince, scare, or deceive his theory.
Please post the evidence that you have to support this accusation or admit that it's no more than guesswork!

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In short, van allan belts are fact, but not the name of van allen. He is a human like us, but his thery isn't.
Of course the Van Allen Belts are a fact and in admitting the reality of the Van Allen Belts you have admitted that space is real and that rockets do work in space!

That is because Dr James A Van Allen's information and all other information about the Van Allen Belts was found from rockets going thousands up into space,.

Case closed!

Nope. Your claiming closing the case does not close the case magically. Rockets can not enter the space with astroNOTs. There isn't anybody can jump in a radiation pool after wrapped with aluminum folio like a cihcken. this only makes it better to cook, does not protect from radiation.

I telling these is not an evidence of I agree the space. It just because you can not enter the space you have agreed according to your predicted space model. There is a radiation belt and we have not a technology to pass it.
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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #71 on: June 14, 2019, 02:15:27 AM »
What is important here is the theory put forward
What is important here is your inability to defend your claims.
You have baselessly asserted that we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.

You have provided no justification for this claim.
Until you justify it and explain just why you think it is impossible to pass through them it remains nothing more than a baseless claim and thus your claim of space travel being impossible will be dismissed as unsubstantiated nonsense.

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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #72 on: June 14, 2019, 03:08:12 AM »
Of course the Van Allen Belts are a fact and in admitting the reality of the Van Allen Belts you have admitted that space is real and that rockets do work in space!

That is because Dr James A Van Allen's information and all other information about the Van Allen Belts was found from rockets going thousands up into space,.

Case closed!

Nope. Your claiming closing the case does not close the case magically. Rockets can not enter the space with astroNOTs. There isn't anybody can jump in a radiation pool after wrapped with aluminum folio like a cihcken. this only makes it better to cook, does not protect from radiation.

I telling these is not an evidence of I agree the space. It just because you can not enter the space you have agreed according to your predicted space model. There is a radiation belt and we have not a technology to pass it.
So you are changing your story again! Read again:
My burden of proof is
Your burden of proof is to demonstrate your claim is true.
You claimed space travel is impossible as we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.
This is a blatant lie you are yet to back up in any way.
As such the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.
Just why can't we pass the Van Allen Belts?
You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.


By the way, how come you post YouTube videos when you can't even watch them to see if you agree with them?

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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #73 on: June 14, 2019, 01:16:00 PM »
He can watch them. He just posted that screenshot showing the video blocked by discovery channel. You cant get that message if YouTube is blocked by isp.
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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #74 on: June 14, 2019, 07:46:09 PM »
He can watch them. He just posted that screenshot showing the video blocked by discovery channel. You cant get that message if YouTube is blocked by isp.
You wouldn't be suggesting that Wise might try to deceive us ;D? Surely not our Mr Wise ;)! But he does seem quite happy to post his YouTube videos.

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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #75 on: June 16, 2019, 12:40:43 PM »
Of course the Van Allen Belts are a fact and in admitting the reality of the Van Allen Belts you have admitted that space is real and that rockets do work in space!

That is because Dr James A Van Allen's information and all other information about the Van Allen Belts was found from rockets going thousands up into space,.

Case closed!

Nope. Your claiming closing the case does not close the case magically. Rockets can not enter the space with astroNOTs. There isn't anybody can jump in a radiation pool after wrapped with aluminum folio like a cihcken. this only makes it better to cook, does not protect from radiation.

I telling these is not an evidence of I agree the space. It just because you can not enter the space you have agreed according to your predicted space model. There is a radiation belt and we have not a technology to pass it.
So you are changing your story again! Read again:
My burden of proof is
Your burden of proof is to demonstrate your claim is true.
You claimed space travel is impossible as we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.
This is a blatant lie you are yet to back up in any way.
As such the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.
Just why can't we pass the Van Allen Belts?
You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.


By the way, how come you post YouTube videos when you can't even watch them to see if you agree with them?

I've already told it. Stop to BS claims.

I've told that I can open rarely some youtube videos by using some alternative web pages open youtube. But I don't want to use it when really required because your fet partners are following the web pages I enter then blocking I enter them if there is a link to youtube. I have already told it. Your not reading is your problem, not mine.

Another opportunity I search and watch their similar versions in ok ru web portal. If you use it so I can see.
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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #76 on: June 16, 2019, 03:43:28 PM »
I've already told it. Stop to BS claims.

I've told that I can open rarely some youtube videos by using some alternative web pages open youtube. But I don't want to use it when really required because your fet partners are following the web pages I enter then blocking I enter them if there is a link to youtube. I have already told it. Your not reading is your problem, not mine.

Another opportunity I search and watch their similar versions in ok ru web portal. If you use it so I can see.
Well, you stop making "BS claims" that I need to respond to. And how am I supposed to respond when YOU post a YouTube video?

YOU posted this!
I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts. NASA astro'NOTs are saying it. It is not a claim, it is a fact. You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.


Of course, the reply is likely to contain a YouTube video - what would you expect! Now stop complaining!

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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #77 on: June 17, 2019, 03:29:26 AM »
I've already told it. Stop to BS claims.

I've told that I can open rarely some youtube videos by using some alternative web pages open youtube. But I don't want to use it when really required because your fet partners are following the web pages I enter then blocking I enter them if there is a link to youtube. I have already told it. Your not reading is your problem, not mine.

Another opportunity I search and watch their similar versions in ok ru web portal. If you use it so I can see.
Well, you stop making "BS claims" that I need to respond to. And how am I supposed to respond when YOU post a YouTube video?

YOU posted this!
I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts. NASA astro'NOTs are saying it. It is not a claim, it is a fact. You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.


Of course, the reply is likely to contain a YouTube video - what would you expect! Now stop complaining!

Again and again, I can find videos by searching in google but can not open them. Anyways have you an argument to prove your magical space travels claims?
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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #78 on: June 17, 2019, 04:26:32 AM »
Again and again, I can find videos by searching in google but can not open them. Anyways have you an argument to prove your magical space travels claims?
Why would post a video if you didn't know what was in it?

Have you any argument to prove space travel in not real?

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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #79 on: June 17, 2019, 04:28:21 AM »
boydster the angry globalist being a mod is my red line. During he continues to be mod, others will be ignored till infinity.






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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #80 on: June 17, 2019, 04:32:42 AM »
Why would post a video if you didn't know what was in it?

He just told you.
He can't see it because his internet is censored.

And yes, many things ARE censored in Turkey.
Erdogan and government don't want their people to "know too much".

Wise, if you can, move out of Turkey as soon as you can.
I'm serious, my friend, this is not a joke.
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« Reply #81 on: June 17, 2019, 05:06:38 AM »
Wise, if you can, move out of Turkey as soon as you can.
I'm serious, my friend, this is not a joke.
this is not as easy as you say. children need to get out of school. convincing the family to go is required. then you have to convince the European authorities, whichever country you want to go there that it is necessary to go to there. then you go to Europe and you are treated like an Arab. I guess it's not worth it.
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