Space travel cannot be faked

What are you talking about?
What is this "traveling tangental to the surface of the earth"?
I don't see the moon being "shadowed by some magic invisible object when entering and exiting the frame" but
I do see the effect of taking the exposures sequentially through the colour filters.

You see exactly what you want to see. 

Quote from: rabinoz on March 29, 2019, 03:39:39 PM

What are you talking about?
What is this "traveling tangental to the surface of the earth"?
I don't see the moon being "shadowed by some magic invisible object when entering and exiting the frame" but
I do see the effect of taking the exposures sequentially through the colour filters.

You see exactly what you want to see.

Agreed but what I see has a logical reason and not 'magic'.

Quote from: John Davis on March 27, 2019, 05:29:04 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 27, 2019, 04:44:18 PM

So, I fail to see how  space missions can be faked or why anyone would want to.

You missed the point.

They aren't faked. We are mistaken.

Really? Why would anyone take any notice of your baseless hypotheses? All you did was post a hypothetical question.

Quote from: John Davis on March 27, 2019, 12:12:07 PM

Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?

Not only does the earth look "curved" but it also appears to be a rotating spherical object.


Your "curved space" does have some very interesting properties.

I don't understand.  Are you saying the earth is flat but looks round?

WAIT EVERYONE JUST STOP FOR A MINUTE

Quote from: rabinoz on March 27, 2019, 09:14:15 PM

Not only does the earth look "curved" but it also appears to be a rotating spherical object.


Your "curved space" does have some very interesting properties.

What a great photo! Thanks for sharing it with us! Let me put that right up on the Fridge.

John Davis, you MUST tell me about this printer that can print moving gif's. Or is it the fridge that is the secret? I NEED to know!

I don't understand.  Are you saying the earth is flat but looks round?

He says its flat but looks round silly. He also knows its flat because it looks flat. Therefore, its flat!

Quote from: rabinoz on March 27, 2019, 09:14:15 PM

Quote from: John Davis on March 27, 2019, 05:29:04 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 27, 2019, 04:44:18 PM

So, I fail to see how  space missions can be faked or why anyone would want to.

You missed the point.

They aren't faked. We are mistaken.

Really? Why would anyone take any notice of your baseless hypotheses? All you did was post a hypothetical question.

Quote from: John Davis on March 27, 2019, 12:12:07 PM

Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?

Not only does the earth look "curved" but it also appears to be a rotating spherical object.


Your "curved space" does have some very interesting properties.

I don't understand.  Are you saying the earth is flat but looks round?

Ask John Davis:

Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?

        rabinoz, you need to find some new material to cut and paste.   

Those animators must be AMAZING! I can't believe that they were able to create a spherical Earth, while it's rotating with very realistic cloud patterns.

Those animators must be AMAZING! I can't believe that they were able to create a spherical Earth, while it's rotating with very realistic cloud patterns.

I know, right?
Animation. How the hell does that happen?

        rabinoz, you need to find some new material to cut and paste.   

Why?
The moon and earth have not changed perceptibly, apart from cloud patterns, since then.
Unlike flat earthers I don't need to change my story all the time, sorry about that.
That's one advantage of being a "Real Earth Believer".

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 10, 2019, 03:03:57 AM

        rabinoz, you need to find some new material to cut and paste.   

Why?

Because your current copy/paste crap is boring and predictable.

Seriously, flying pigs, Einstein calling people stupid, everything else you post.
NOTHING ORIGINAL,  EVER.   


What is your goal?

NOTHING ORIGINAL,  EVER.   

Really, NOTHING ORIGINAL,  EVER?
I do admit to copying the picture, but not the rest .

Quote from: Son of Orospu on April 09, 2019, 05:31:24 AM

Perhaps we should just combine the alts and rename it wiseinoz.

That might be a stretch because it has yet to be proven that wise is wise or that rabinoz is wise.
But if it was mandated would wiseinoz be a Professor and Flat Earth Scientist or
would wiseinoz be a Real Earth Believer where the Real Earth is indubitably the Globe !

It's enough to drive one to drink:

Quote from: Danang on April 09, 2019, 07:29:24 PM

The only correct map is South Polar Centered FE map. Prove: The 2017's America's eclipse reveals that the wide of America is much more than globe's calculation (only 3000 miles).
The umbra average speed equals 2300 mph, duration = 4 hours. Approximately total distance of the umbra's traveling on America AKA the wide of America = 2300 mph ﾗ 4 hours = 9200 miles. 👏👏👏

Try again. I can only calculate this for the Globe. Maybe you can show how to do it on a flat earth.
But:

• The umbra average speed does not equal 2300 mph but was under 1500 mph.
• The duration of the umbra crossing the USA was not 4 hours but only 1 hour 31 minutes.

The velocity of the moon's shadow is close to the average orbital of the moon or 2288 mph and that shadow moves from West to East.
But at the same time, at that latitude, the the surface of the earth is also moving West to East at about 790 mph.
Hence the nett velocity of the shadow would be about 1498 mph and the length of the shadow roughly 1498 x 91/60 = 2272 miles.
For various reasons that estimate is only a rough approximation because towards the East the surface slopes away making the velocity higher.

This might be interesting How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last? Depends Where You Are by Joe Rao.

Quote from: sandokhan on April 10, 2019, 10:18:02 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on February 08, 2019, 03:47:46 AM

There is no "long range Casimir effect".

Yes, I wrote that. So what?

Quote from: sandokhan

Or take a long look at this:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=76954.msg2081200#msg2081200

Yes, I wrote that. So what? I am at a total loss at why you think that post is even slightly relevant to whatever you are claiming!
That post simply shows how appallingly ignorant you are on the importance of "units".

Quote from: sandokhan

Simply jackblack 2.0

I am not JackBlack. Get used to it!

By the way, to the best of my knowledge JackBlack has never written "Casimir" in any post he has made.
And I have  used "Casimir" many times, in quotes from Prof. Steven Lamoreaux and in what I have written myself.

So, please desist from your silly claim that JackBlack and I are the same person.

Space travel can not be proven. There is Van Allen belts you have to pass firstly.

To the topic name, yes it can. How could you train those that go to space without first faking it for them. Without first doing the studies that said it was ok for them to go.

Yes. You can fake going to space. We do it as easily as we send kids to a camp to learn about nature. It's space camp. And its really not that hard to fool us. We'd like to think it is, but in reality - it takes very little to convince even the skeptic he's in space let alone the man who trained for that his whole life.

To the topic name, yes it can. How could you train those that go to space without first faking it for them. Without first doing the studies that said it was ok for them to go.

Yes. You can fake going to space. We do it as easily as we send kids to a camp to learn about nature. It's space camp. And its really not that hard to fool us. We'd like to think it is, but in reality - it takes very little to convince even the skeptic he's in space let alone the man who trained for that his whole life.

Really? How do you simulate a long term micro-gravity environment anywhere on earth?
It would be hard enough to simulate this on video let alone for a person present on the ISS.

ONE OF THE MOST DETAILED ISS TOUR!!! by Up, into space!
Well, I at least would have no idea how to simulate this on video with virtually no scene changes.

How could you train those that go to space without first faking it for them. Without first doing the studies that said it was ok for them to go.

You don't need to fake it to train them. Instead they fake various attributes for various times. And they don't even need to train them before sending them up.
Likewise, you don't need to do studies before sending people up there, and if you wanted to do studies you really need to go up there to study, potentially using animals instead of people.

As a comparison, to test a drug, they don't fake it to see if it is safe to use on humans, they test it on animals.

It's space camp.

Space camp teaches about space and has space related activities.
It doesn't fake space.

Well, I at least would have no idea how to simulate this on video with virtually no scene changes.

Neither does my 12 year old great nephew.

We should have him tested. He may be Australian!   

So people in this topic all we have we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.

So people in this topic all we have we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.

Whether we can "pass the Van Allen belts" is quite irrelevant to this thread about "Space travel cannot be faked".

But astronauts can pass and have "passed the Van Allen belts".

If YOU knew just a little about the nature of the type of radiation in those Van Allen belts you would know that the best material to shield against it was low atomic weight material like polythene and aluminium - lead is about the worst! It is heavy and ineffective!

And that is the type of material NASA used in the Apollo Command modules.

Not only that but the trajectories taken were to minimise the exposure time in the VA belts and in the end there was more radiation from the much longer time on the moon.

So, you have not shown that "space travel has been faked" and the case is certainly NOT closed.

I do wish that you lunar mission deniers would learn a little bit about space travel instead of proclaiming you abject ignorance all the time - it really is pathetic!

Quote from: wise on June 09, 2019, 05:47:37 AM

So people in this topic all we have we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.

Whether we can "pass the Van Allen belts" is quite irrelevant to this thread about "Space travel cannot be faked".

But astronauts can pass and have "passed the Van Allen belts".

If YOU knew just a little about the nature of the type of radiation in those Van Allen belts you would know that the best material to shield against it was low atomic weight material like polythene and aluminium - lead is about the worst! It is heavy and ineffective!

And that is the type of material NASA used in the Apollo Command modules.

Not only that but the trajectories taken were to minimise the exposure time in the VA belts and in the end there was more radiation from the much longer time on the moon.

So, you have not shown that "space travel has been faked" and the case is certainly NOT closed.

I do wish that you lunar mission deniers would learn a little bit about space travel instead of proclaiming you abject ignorance all the time - it really is pathetic!

The only pathetic claims here is you have, you and I well know this.

There isn't an example how they passed the van allen belts. Nobody did a test about it. You have to prove in laboratuary environment first how you can pass the radioactive van allen belts. you can only cook chicken with aluminum foil pan. they cannot withstand high radiation. Stop telling fairy tales.

Space travel can not be proven. There is Van Allen belts you have to pass firstly.

Van Allen belts are not a problem. Let's see what Dr. Van Allen has to say about it.

The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense."
-Dr. James Van Allen

Huh.

So people in this topic all we have we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.

We can and have passed the van allen belts.

If you wish to assert that we can't, feel free to prove it. Otherwise you have nothing more than yet another baseless claim.

Quote from: wise on June 09, 2019, 05:47:37 AM

So people in this topic all we have we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.

We can and have passed the van allen belts.

You can't and you have not passed it. Prove how you did it theorically and phsically without BS claims like this one.

Prove how you did it theorically and phsically without BS claims like this one.

Again, that isn't how the burden of proof works.
If you want to claim it is impossible, you need to prove it.
You are yet to explain why the Van Allen belts should present any problem or obstruct passage.
This makes counter-proof I provide almost entirely pointless as you have presented literally nothing to argue against except a claim of impossibility.

If you want physical proof, go investigate the moon landings. Pretty rock solid proof there.

Quote from: wise on June 10, 2019, 01:03:49 AM

Prove how you did it theorically and phsically without BS claims like this one.

Again, that isn't how the burden of proof works.
If you want to claim it is impossible, you need to prove it.
You are yet to explain why the Van Allen belts should present any problem or obstruct passage.
This makes counter-proof I provide almost entirely pointless as you have presented literally nothing to argue against except a claim of impossibility.

If you want physical proof, go investigate the moon landings. Pretty rock solid proof there.

Burden of proof does not work how you define it. It works how I define it. If you have a claim so you have to prove it. You can not pre accepted something true and force me prove its being wrong. First you have to prove its being proven. Your childish, baseless claims its being proven does not make it proven but just makes you more ridiculus.

Burden of proof does not work how you define it. It works how I define it.

No. You don't get to define your own burden of proof so you can avoid it.

If you make a claim you prove it. You don't just get to demand others prove you wrong.
GROW UP!

If you want to claim that the Van Allen belts cannot be penetrated you need to prove it. Don't demand others prove you wrong.

Quote from: wise on June 10, 2019, 03:55:42 AM

Burden of proof does not work how you define it. It works how I define it.

No. You don't get to define your own burden of proof so you can avoid it.

If you make a claim you prove it. You don't just get to demand others prove you wrong.
GROW UP!

If you want to claim that the Van Allen belts cannot be penetrated you need to prove it. Don't demand others prove you wrong.

Nope. Stop to saying lie. My burden of proof is "First you have to prove its being proven". You have not proven anything so you have not a right to call me to disprove it. Again, you are still has some baseless BS claims, needs to be verified.

My burden of proof is

Your burden of proof is to demonstrate your claim is true.
You claimed space travel is impossible as we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.
This is a blatant lie you are yet to back up in any way.
As such the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.
Just why can't we pass the Van Allen Belts?

This is an especially strange claim as we have passed them and sent people to the moon.

Quote from: wise on June 10, 2019, 05:11:33 AM

My burden of proof is

Your burden of proof is to demonstrate your claim is true.
You claimed space travel is impossible as we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.
This is a blatant lie you are yet to back up in any way.
As such the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.
Just why can't we pass the Van Allen Belts?

This is an especially strange claim as we have passed them and sent people to the moon.

I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts. NASA astro'NOTs are saying it. It is not a claim, it is a fact. You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.

I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts.

So what was this:

Space travel can not be proven. There is Van Allen belts you have to pass firstly.

Sure seems like a claim that we can't pass them, and a claim made by you.
And here it is again:

we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.

YOU are claiming we cannot pass the Van Allen belts.
As such the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that we can't.

NASA astro'NOTs are saying it.

No they aren't.
They are saying that the Orion capsule will be put to the test and need to be tested before humans go in it. But that isn't saying we can't pass the Van Allen belts, just that Orion hasn't.

You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken.

Again, that is just a baseless claim, but more importantly, no one is claiming that.

So again, the burden of proof rests upon you to demonstrate that we cannot pass the Van Allen belts.

Quote from: wise on June 11, 2019, 02:04:19 AM

I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts.

So what was this:

Quote from: wise on June 08, 2019, 11:25:07 PM

Space travel can not be proven. There is Van Allen belts you have to pass firstly.

Sure seems like a claim that we can't pass them, and a claim made by you.
And here it is again:

Quote from: wise on June 09, 2019, 05:47:37 AM

we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.

YOU are claiming we cannot pass the Van Allen belts.
As such the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that we can't.

Quote from: wise on June 11, 2019, 02:04:19 AM

NASA astro'NOTs are saying it.

No they aren't.
They are saying that the Orion capsule will be put to the test and need to be tested before humans go in it. But that isn't saying we can't pass the Van Allen belts, just that Orion hasn't.

Quote from: wise on June 11, 2019, 02:04:19 AM

You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken.

Again, that is just a baseless claim, but more importantly, no one is claiming that.

So again, the burden of proof rests upon you to demonstrate that we cannot pass the Van Allen belts.

Ahaha what a childish argument. I have not claimed people can not pass those belts because I show that NASA workers are admitting to it. They claim it then I support.

Again, stop to childish behaviours do not help your care, grow up and admit you never passed the Van Allen belts, you never gone to the moon.