Apparent motion of sun impossible on flat earth

I'm having great difficulty trying to  understand how it is even possible for the apparent movement of the sun on a flat earth.

Specifically, when it rises and sets.

Geometrically, on a flat earth the sun would, for most of the earth, appear to rise and set *drastically* north of due east/west, even on the equinox.

This simply is not observed.

Some say that the sun is only visible for a few hundred miles, but that's so much crock because it's often visible for 12 hours, and we know that as it goes around it's daily pattern, it is many thousands of miles away at times during which it is clearly blindingly visible.

And even if it were just fading out into the fog, it would fade dimmer and dimmer -- not slice off bottom first over a few minute's period.
It just can't go from entirely obscured to blindingly bright in a few minutes, then be fully visible for 12 hours, then again completely vanish in a few minutes.
And what about slicing off bottom side first.?

I would be most grateful if someone could give me the best explanation for this issue.

The PHEW map does not solve this problem.
The Bipolar map does not solve this problem.
The AZ map doesn't solve it.
I don't see how any flat map could solve it. It's a geometry problem that is inherent to all flat surfaces.

I guess the basic components of this problem are these:

1: How can the sun possibly appear below eyelevel at any time if it's actually always above eyelevel?
2: How can the sun vanish or appear in just a few minutes time while being visible for 12 hours?
3: How can the sun possibly appear half-obstructed by the horizon?
4: How can the sun appear near due west/east at the equator on the equinox on a flat earth?

We can't get by with an answer just for one of those. Each answer for each of those has to also be compatible with all the others.

What am I missing? How can the earth possibly be flat as long as we've got the sun up there doing it's thing?

Agreed.

Even if, like most Flat Earthers, you are willing to freely discard basic physics (like what is the sun meant to orbit exactly, and how can its orbit magically expand and contract? not to mention gravity and relativity) .... this stuff boils down to pure geometry, ie maths. So unless 1+1 now equals 3, the model is wrong.

Another one to the list: according to FE seasons, the sun orbits in the middle of the northern hemisphere during summer, which would mean that, in addition to the Southern Hemisphere, half of the Northern Hemisphere would see the sun in the north at that time — but of course, they don’t, because if you live anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere, the sun always appears in the southern sky. And vice versa for the Southern Hemisphere.

Had another thought, there are stars that you can see out above the south pole if you are in the southern hemisphere which are not visible to those on the northern hemisphere.

Just think about it: In the middle of winter when it's dark all night in Antarctica, someone out on the ice ring could look south and see the most south star Sigma Octantis.
At that same moment, somebody all the way on the far side of the flat earth disk at the ice ring could also look south and see Sigma Octantis.

And yet us poor lousy northerners can't see it?!

How is it possible that people all the way around the edge can see the same stars, and yet the northerners in the center can't see those same stars?

If people all around the ring can see something, the people in the middle should also be able to see it.

How is it possible that people all the way around the edge can see the same stars, and yet the northerners in the center can't see those same stars?

If people all around the ring can see something, the people in the middle should also be able to see it.

Of course. But as anyone with eyes and a very basic knowledge of geometery can see, the FE model of the world literally makes no sense.

According to FE, everyone on earth should see the same sky, just from different angles. Of course this isn’t the case in reality though.

I'm having great difficulty trying to  understand how it is even possible for the apparent movement of the sun on a flat earth.

Huh, apparently we're on a disk supported by 4 elephants and infinite turtles* and your problem is with the apparent movement of the sun?


* elephants, turtles, the universal accelerator, a glass dome - pick the flavour of magic you prefer.

I'm having great difficulty trying to  understand how it is even possible for the apparent movement of the sun on a flat earth.

It takes courage to admit one is unable to grasp an unfamiliar concept.
Keep searching for the answer, it will come to you.

Quote from: Tom Foolery on March 22, 2019, 04:58:36 PM

I'm having great difficulty trying to  understand how it is even possible for the apparent movement of the sun on a flat earth.

It takes courage to admit one is unable to grasp an unfamiliar concept.
Keep searching for the answer, it will come to you.

Let me help . Phuket Word explains:

Flat Earth Perspective & Sunsets Field of View Explained in 2 minutes
See, all you need is a little Flerspective . A sprinkle of fairy dust helps.

Tom Foolery, stop to fooling people.

Tom Foolery, stop to fooling people.

OK, you explain how, on your flat earth, the sun:

rises from behind the horizon like this: Sunrise - Black Sea HD, kalcymc

and sets behind the horizon like this: Spendid Green Flash - Sunset 18 fev 2015, hoporion

And some more of the setting sun:

LHG-0693 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.02, 300 mm

LHG-0697 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.29, 300 mm

Explain those with your little 50 km diameter sun circling 5000 km about the earth.

OK, you explain how, on your flat earth, the sun:

Simple: NASA made the Sun join the RE conspiracy.

Quote from: rabinoz on March 26, 2019, 11:59:00 PM

OK, you explain how, on your flat earth, the sun:

Simple: NASA made the Sun join the RE conspiracy.

Are you saying that NASA modified my own camera so it could fake photos like these of the setting sun at Karumba, Queensland?

Sunset Karumba on Aug 8, at 18:25:02, 300 mm lens

Sunset Karumba on Aug 8, at 18:25:25, 300 mm lens

That's real sneaky of NASA !

Quote from: wpeszko on March 27, 2019, 01:11:56 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 26, 2019, 11:59:00 PM

OK, you explain how, on your flat earth, the sun:

Simple: NASA made the Sun join the RE conspiracy.

Are you saying that NASA modified my own camera so it could fake photos like these of the setting sun at Karumba, Queensland?

Sunset Karumba on Aug 8, at 18:25:02, 300 mm lens

Sunset Karumba on Aug 8, at 18:25:25, 300 mm lens

That's real sneaky of NASA !

No, he means NASA pays the sun to pretend to be setting below a curve instead of fading off into the distance!

Quote from: rabinoz on March 27, 2019, 01:58:06 AM

That's real sneaky of NASA !

No, he means NASA pays the sun to pretend to be setting below a curve instead of fading off into the distance!

And has NASA been paying the sun for all of recorded history to perform this little bit of trickery?
How did they manage that 5 or 6 millennia before their inception?

Quote from: rabinoz on March 26, 2019, 11:59:00 PM

OK, you explain how, on your flat earth, the sun:

Simple: NASA made the Sun join the RE conspiracy.

I don't think so.