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« on: January 16, 2007, 04:17:23 PM »
if FE is correct, then the dawn/dusk line would be rotating around one axis, splitting the disk neatly in two, terminating in a neat even line. Light doesn't behave this way naturally, so explain to me what would cause this?
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2007, 05:57:52 PM »
refractive properties



^^ thouse are lvl 2 words lvl 3 words are like expectoration and underspecification.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 06:11:34 PM »
refracting because of what? light does not behave in such a way as to create an even line , along a flat surface, when it shines at it in the manner described on this site.


it would seem like:


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O.....|
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not
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O...|
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as it would have to following your model. This implies a strip of light along the perimeter, parallel to the dawn/dusk line, but it would have to occur infinite times in infinite positions pulsing microseconds at a time. That is clearly not the case, shadow positions prove we have one extraterrestrial light source.

This is a scientific debate forum, putting more logical explanations in your post than 'refractive properties' should be the norm.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2007, 06:15:42 PM »
ok mr. smartipants half of the sun shines dark light, so half of the earth that the black part of the sun is facing will be dark.

before you say what is dark light, its the kinda like dark link. he is the opposite of the regular link. that was a awesome battle. better than that stupid water monster thingy that thing was horrible. i killed it really fast.

so anyways half of the sun is day and half of it is night.
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2007, 06:28:35 PM »
while i think that battle was the best in that game, that has next to nothing to do with my question.

and, in reference to this dark light, if exactly half the sun was covered, you would still get a curve on the 'flat' end, just a very shallow curve. As the southern hemisphere does not encounter dusk before the northern by any measurable degree, that is false.

any serious suggestions?
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2007, 06:30:27 PM »
it actually encounters dusk by a 8 degree timetable. soda u are on CRACK ty
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2007, 06:33:50 PM »
time isn't measured in degrees (although lat/long can be measured in minutes and seconds, but it's a different measure).

i again issue the request for serious explanations or at least clarification on wtf this guy is talking about.
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2007, 06:45:01 PM »
i issue the request for any evidence the earth is round. irrefutable inconstationable empiriacal evidence. thats right.
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2007, 07:05:06 PM »
so you employ a fallacy to cover your excuses, but OK, I'll bite

in relation to this question, the RE model says it is possible because as the sun shines light omnidirectionally, light will hit the 'side' of the earth facing the sun. As roughly 50% of the surface is exposed in such a manner, it creates an even line where the curvature of the earth is no longer facing the sun.

now, as I have answered your question, let's get back to mine.
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2007, 08:43:06 PM »
still no answer to this question?
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2007, 08:48:05 PM »
Click the link in my signature.
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2007, 08:52:16 PM »
"The sun orbits the north pole once a day at a constant altitude."

does not explain why there would be a near-straight line formed, evenly dividing the disc in half. Even if there is some form off block in the way, that would not explain why the south pole has no sunset for 3 months. Or why the north pole has night at all.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2007, 08:53:08 PM »
The sun acts as a spotlight, as explained in the FAQ.
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2007, 09:01:28 PM »
a spotlight illuminates just that, a spot. Not a half circle, with the midpoint of the baseline the light itself.
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2007, 05:06:46 AM »
no couterpoints, so everyone here knows this is not the way a spotlight would act?

good. any answer to this question then?
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2007, 05:36:57 AM »
Are you suggesting that if you were to convert your "round earth" day/night line onto a map of a flat earth that it would be a straight line?

I'm trying to comprehend what you're saying here but it doesn't make sense.
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2007, 06:15:59 AM »
You will not find what you seek from them RESOCR because they will not give it to you. Now that you have demonstrated that this question is obviusly not possible to answer in FE theroy they will do nothing else but say that they don't understand your question because it doesn't make sense and even try to convince you that it doesn't make sense, because rules that you try to use, apply only to round earth, not to flat. In fact any rule that implies that the Earth is round is systematicly replaced with some other rule thath would have same effect or at least similar should the Earth be flat. Amusing, isn't it. It would seem that they continuosly strive to define a system based on a set of rules, similar like in mathematics, so therefor operations or in this case laws of physics that are not defined are not usable in debate of the flat earth theory. So there are two possibilites here: either us and them don't live on same planet or they are having a blast on this forum and using you and people like you for their entertainment and even as means to improve this FE nonsense.
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2007, 06:25:15 AM »
You should btw (moderators or admins), add to your FAQ, that FE and RE are infact abriviations for in same order: Fictional Earth and Real Earth :)
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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2007, 08:48:05 AM »
Time Zones: everyone in the same timezone sees dawn at roughly the same time, while the opposite zone sees dusk. if, on a FE model, time zones are now arrayed like spokes, the same effect is present but more obvious. The dawn/dusk line acts as a divider, splitting the disk down the center, one half dark one half light. A spotlight, nor any kind of single light, would act like this unaided.

I also bring up another question. We see the sun rising in the east, and setting in the west, not just appearing and disappearing to the north, as it would for your model.

and if they are using us as entertainment, I'll just keep in mind i'm being similarly entertained. :D
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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2007, 01:13:35 PM »
hello?

simply put:

roughly 50% of the world experiences night while the other half sees day.

and since this is not broken up, it would be 50% one side day, 50% other side night....

so, it would be roughly an even line for the divider.


explinations? and for the rises east/sets west proof?
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2007, 02:20:28 PM »
still nothing?
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2007, 02:25:57 PM »
i have a question.. isnt darklight a contradiction? :S and if half the sun is darklight and half the sun is light wouldnt the two mix at certain points becoming ...
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2007, 02:29:29 PM »
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still nothing?


I completely agree, but I have nothing to add.  I'm sure it's the same with everyone here right now.  

But there is something telling me the FE model still could work in this context...I just haven't put my finger on it yet.  Something to do with the north in winter (shorter days) and South in summer (longer days).  If there were exactly a line drawn through the north pole of the FE model, there would be no longer or shorter days.

{edit for clarification}:

. . . a line through the north pole of the FE separating day and night. . .
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2007, 03:05:15 PM »
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. . . a line through the north pole of the FE separating day and night. . .


which is what i'm saying. And why would this line change itself from season to season, and what causes the sun to emit light in that pattern?
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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2007, 03:25:47 PM »
First off let's straighten out what it is we are talking about.  I'm referring to the FE model described in the FAQ and in the book "Earth: Not A Globe" referenced in the FAQ.  

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And why would this line change itself from season to season, and what causes the sun to emit light in that pattern?


I don't know "why" it does it, exactly the same as I don't know "why" the RE is tilted on it's axis with respect to the orbital plane.  It would be speculation.  

The line through the North pole separating night and day is NOT part of the FE model.  That is an assumption you made based on the RE model.
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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2007, 03:27:08 PM »
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First off let's straighten out what it is we are talking about.  I'm referring to the FE model described in the FAQ and in the book "Earth: Not A Globe" referenced in the FAQ.  

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And why would this line change itself from season to season, and what causes the sun to emit light in that pattern?


I don't know "why" it does it, exactly the same as I don't know "why" the RE is tilted on it's axis with respect to the orbital plane.  It would be speculation.  

The line through the North pole separating night and day is NOT part of the FE model.  That is an assumption you made based on the RE model.


it best illustrates/explains what happens in real life.
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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2007, 03:53:33 PM »
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it best illustrates/explains what happens in real life.


You're going to have to be more specific about what you are referring to and what you are arguing about.  You are referring to some phenomenon (the line of night/day) that is derived from the RE model (because RE is a sphere exactly half of it is dark and half is light) and applying it to the FE model in order to prove the RE.  At least that is what it seems like to me.  

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Time Zones: everyone in the same timezone sees dawn at roughly the same time,

When the days are short in the northern hemisphere, they are long in the southern hemisphere.  

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if, on a FE model, time zones are now arrayed like spokes, the same effect is present but more obvious. The dawn/dusk line acts as a divider, splitting the disk down the center, one half dark one half light.


This does not fit the FE model described in the book linked at the top of the FAQ.  

. . . But I'm not disagreeing with you about how silly this all is.  I'm merely saying that we have to be very careful about this:  disproving one thing does not prove something else.
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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2007, 04:00:13 PM »
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it best illustrates/explains what happens in real life.


You're going to have to be more specific about what you are referring to and what you are arguing about.  You are referring to some phenomenon (the line of night/day) that is derived from the RE model (because RE is a sphere exactly half of it is dark and half is light) and applying it to the FE model in order to prove the RE.  At least that is what it seems like to me.


well, then, it is a line which on the equinox is curved, then fluctuates the other way every six months. Yet still a near-straight line

my pouint is the spotlight explination does not work, if it were true, everywhere would have 4 hours of daylight to every 20 of darkness, and that is on the equator! some places would receive half the amount of light, some none at all, and all of it encountered in an eerie curve that looks kind of like a swirl, as when the equator gets sunlight, is an hour before the exact north and south positions of it on the tropics line get sunlight.

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But I'm not disagreeing with you about how silly this all is.  I'm merely saying that we have to be very careful about this:  disproving one thing does not prove something else.


this is true, but I am (or at the beginning was) just asking a question about the FE theory.
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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2007, 05:04:11 PM »
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my pouint is the spotlight explination does not work, if it were true, everywhere would have 4 hours of daylight to every 20 of darkness, and that is on the equator! some places would receive half the amount of light, some none at all, and all of it encountered in an eerie curve that looks kind of like a swirl, as when the equator gets sunlight, is an hour before the exact north and south positions of it on the tropics line get sunlight.


Yeah, I agree with this.  There are so many ways in which the FE model fails to explain everyday observations.  But what are we gonna do?
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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2007, 05:13:33 PM »
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my pouint is the spotlight explination does not work, if it were true, everywhere would have 4 hours of daylight to every 20 of darkness, and that is on the equator! some places would receive half the amount of light, some none at all, and all of it encountered in an eerie curve that looks kind of like a swirl, as when the equator gets sunlight, is an hour before the exact north and south positions of it on the tropics line get sunlight.


Yeah, I agree with this.  There are so many ways in which the FE model fails to explain everyday observations.  But what are we gonna do?


alter the theory to make it fit, but I just don't see a solution to this aspect. At least admitting it is flawed is a start, but it has to be admitted more often, as some points are just silly. Ultimately, while a few points of FE theory hold water, if you do not mind the pun, many more have leaks or even gushing torrents in their logic. I just happened upon an obvious and easy to spot one.

and, as i believe the principle is, if a theory leaves no room for change or compromise (IE the earth is 'kinda curved' doesn't seem to fly here) then one counterexample disproves the theory. I present my counterexample.
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