SMOKING GUN

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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #330 on: May 06, 2019, 09:58:10 AM »
To believe all this you have to be completely crazy!!!
No, but you seem to believe that the sun, the rest of the planets and all the rest of the Universe could have any physical reason to be in long term stable orbits about little earth!

To believe that you have to be completely crazy!!!


COPERNICAN PRINCIPLE DESTROYED - part 1 :

COPERNICAN PRINCIPLE DESTROYED - part 2 :


Thomas Kuhn’s paradigm shift is approaching. Theories which have yielded the standard cosmology “physical universe” (with the exception of quantum physics, which, as anyone who has read Wolfgang Smith’s “The Quantum Enigma” will know, is the key exception) have arrived at last at dead ends, with ad-hoc ex-post-facto patch ups galore and the “multimess” providing the Big Red Flag that something has gone amiss.

Speaking of Wolfgang Smith, the matter of the Kuhnian paradigm shift is considered by him in his remarkable “Science and Myth“:

“There remains the question of evidential basis, of verification. It is to be noted, first of all, that in the absence of controlled experiment, verification in the full scientific sense is ruled out in advance: the best one can hope for is that signals from outer space, when interpreted according to terrestrial physics, do not conflict with the theory. It happens, however, that they do, which is to say that it has been necessary to introduce a number of ad hoc hypotheses: i.e., assumptions formulated specifically for the purpose of squaring the theory with conflicting observational findings. What is more, the process of adding extra assumptions in response to adverse data appears to be ongoing; as Brent Tully (known for his discovery of supergalaxies) observed: ‘It’s disturbing that there is a new theory every time there is a new observation.’ To which one might add that Tully has every right to be disturbed: for such a modus operandi in effect eliminates empirical verification as a criterion of truth. Under such auspices it becomes hard to ascertain whether there exists so much as a shred of real evidence in support of the theory.”

It is surely no accident that the rise of astrophysics has been accompanied by the advent of post-modernist nihilism in its philosophic as well as cultural manifestations. The drift into nihilism corresponds precisely to the loss of substance implicit in the physicist’s world view: culture and cosmology, it turns out, are intimately linked. In fact, as the cosmology flattens, so invariably does the culture.”— Wolfgang Smith, “Ancient Wisdom and Modern Misconceptions- A Critique of Contemporary Scientism” Angelico Press 2015

In an article, "The Energy of Space That Isn't Zero", Lawrence Krauss stated (2006):

    But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun - the plane of the earth around the sun - the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe. The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe, or maybe the data is (s)imply incorrect, or maybe it's telling us there's something weird about the microwave background results and that maybe, maybe there's something wrong with our theories on the larger scales.

He is stating explicitly that the data from the COBE and WMAP satellites puts the Earth in or very close to the centre of the universe. He say's "that's crazy," meaning that empirical observational data is crazy (because it does not fit in with his philosophical beliefs). He also says, "There's no way there should be a correlation of structure..." How does he know there is no way for a correlation to exist (sorry, forgot, it's because he holds philosophical beliefs telling him there can't be any correlations). And in any case, isn't the empirical data supposed to be speaking? He suggests the data maybe wrong but also admits the theories about the larger scales of the universe might be wrong. You can see the psychology going on here, can't you?

Here is an article published in the New Scientist in September 2009:
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    WHAT would you do if you found a mysterious and controversial pattern in the radiation left over from the big bang? In 2005, Kate Land and Joyo Magueijo at Imperial College London faced just such a conundrum. What they did next was a PR master stroke: they called their discovery the cosmic "axis of evil".

    What exactly had they seen? Instead of finding hot and cold spots randomly spattered across the sky as they expected, the pair's analysis showed that the spots in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) appeared to be aligned in one particular direction through space.

    The apparent alignment is "evil" because it undermines what we thought we knew about the early universe. Modern cosmology is built on the assumption that the universe is essentially the same in whichever direction we look. If the cosmic radiation has a preferred direction, that assumption may have to go - along with our best theories about cosmic history.

    This disaster might be averted if we can show that the axis arises from some oddity in the way our telescopes and satellites observe the radiation. A nearby supercluster of galaxies could also save the day: its gravitational pull might be enough to distort the radiation into the anomalous form seen.

    Nobody knows for sure. We are dealing with the limits of our capabilities, says Michael Longo of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. "All observations beyond our galaxy are obscured by the disc of the Milky Way," he points out, so we need to be careful how we interpret them.

    The European Space Agency's recently launched Planck space telescope might settle the issue when it makes the most sensitive maps yet of the CMB. Until then, the axis of evil continues to terrorise us.

Note "the axis of evil" might "terrorise us." Why is that? Should observational empirical data terrorise a scientist if the very definition of science is to let the observational empirical data speak for itself?

So, let's terrorise JB and Rabinoz some more :





WHAT ARE THE ODDS???




Upon SeeIng anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background revealed by CoBe, cosmologist
Stephen Hawking proclaimed it “the discovery of the millennium, if not all time.”
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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #331 on: May 06, 2019, 12:20:23 PM »
Does Lawrence Krauss think the earth is flat?
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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #332 on: May 06, 2019, 01:09:22 PM »
Upon SeeIng anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background revealed by CoBe, cosmologist
Stephen Hawking proclaimed it “the discovery of the millennium, if not all time.”

Interesting stuff, but what does any of this have to do with a "smoking gun"?

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #333 on: May 06, 2019, 01:24:51 PM »
Here is an article published in the New Scientist in September 2009:
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    WHAT would you do if you found a mysterious and controversial pattern in the radiation left over from the big bang? In 2005, Kate Land and Joyo Magueijo at Imperial College London faced just such a conundrum. What they did next was a PR master stroke: they called their discovery the cosmic "axis of evil".

    What exactly had they seen? Instead of finding hot and cold spots randomly spattered across the sky as they expected, the pair's analysis showed that the spots in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) appeared to be aligned in one particular direction through space.

    The apparent alignment is "evil" because it undermines what we thought we knew about the early universe. Modern cosmology is built on the assumption that the universe is essentially the same in whichever direction we look. If the cosmic radiation has a preferred direction, that assumption may have to go - along with our best theories about cosmic history.

    This disaster might be averted if we can show that the axis arises from some oddity in the way our telescopes and satellites observe the radiation. A nearby supercluster of galaxies could also save the day: its gravitational pull might be enough to distort the radiation into the anomalous form seen.

    Nobody knows for sure. We are dealing with the limits of our capabilities, says Michael Longo of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. "All observations beyond our galaxy are obscured by the disc of the Milky Way," he points out, so we need to be careful how we interpret them.

    The European Space Agency's recently launched Planck space telescope might settle the issue when it makes the most sensitive maps yet of the CMB. Until then, the axis of evil continues to terrorise us.

Note "the axis of evil" might "terrorise us." Why is that? Should observational empirical data terrorise a scientist if the very definition of science is to let the observational empirical data speak for itself?

First bolding added. Keep in mind that this unexpected anisotrophy is very subtle. It may reveal an incompleteness in our understanding of cosmology, it may be due to incorrect modeling of the corrections that need to be applied to the raw data, it may be error in measurement, or it could be a coincidence. The first two seem most likely to me. The chances that this will overturn the Copernican model of the solar system are vastly smaller than the chances that this is a merely coincidence.

You need to realize that the "Axis of Evil" moniker was given in jest.

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WHAT ARE THE ODDS???

What are the odds of seeing patterns where no meaningful pattern exists? Fairly high.

“You know, the most amazing thing happened to me tonight… I saw a car with the license plate ARW 357. Can you imagine? Of all the millions of license plates in the state, what was the chance that I would see that particular one tonight? Amazing!”
 - Attributed to Richard Feynman

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Upon SeeIng anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background revealed by CoBe, cosmologist
Stephen Hawking proclaimed it “the discovery of the millennium, if not all time.”

He may have been right.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but rather, 'hmm... that's funny...'"
 - Isaac Asimov

Just as the details of the precession of Mercury's orbit could not be adequately explained using classical Physics and had to wait for the development of the theory of relativity to be well explained, this, too, may lead to a more complete (but still short of perfect) understanding of the universe. With relativity we discovered that Newtonian mechanics, although an excellent approximation under everyday conditions, was not complete, and failed to accurately model reality under conditions that humans consider extreme. Or this may be found to be due to more mundane reasons. Either way, there is no reason to believe physicists understand the universe completely, or ever will. None.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #334 on: May 06, 2019, 02:52:13 PM »
<more pathetic irrelevant BS>
Remember, the topic of discussion was the rotation of Earth, mainly you claiming it is exact and you claiming the stellar day had to be shorter than the sidereal day.

Can you address either of those points, even if it is just an admission that you were completely wrong?

Or are you only capable of spamming garbage with nothing at all to do with the topic to try to bury your abysmal failure?

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #335 on: May 07, 2019, 08:40:11 AM »
Here is an article published in the New Scientist in September 2009:
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    WHAT would you do if you found a mysterious and controversial pattern in the radiation left over from the big bang? In 2005, Kate Land and Joyo Magueijo at Imperial College London faced just such a conundrum. What they did next was a PR master stroke: they called their discovery the cosmic "axis of evil".

    What exactly had they seen? Instead of finding hot and cold spots randomly spattered across the sky as they expected, the pair's analysis showed that the spots in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) appeared to be aligned in one particular direction through space.

    The apparent alignment is "evil" because it undermines what we thought we knew about the early universe. Modern cosmology is built on the assumption that the universe is essentially the same in whichever direction we look. If the cosmic radiation has a preferred direction, that assumption may have to go - along with our best theories about cosmic history.

    This disaster might be averted if we can show that the axis arises from some oddity in the way our telescopes and satellites observe the radiation. A nearby supercluster of galaxies could also save the day: its gravitational pull might be enough to distort the radiation into the anomalous form seen.

    Nobody knows for sure. We are dealing with the limits of our capabilities, says Michael Longo of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. "All observations beyond our galaxy are obscured by the disc of the Milky Way," he points out, so we need to be careful how we interpret them.

    The European Space Agency's recently launched Planck space telescope might settle the issue when it makes the most sensitive maps yet of the CMB. Until then, the axis of evil continues to terrorise us.

Note "the axis of evil" might "terrorise us." Why is that? Should observational empirical data terrorise a scientist if the very definition of science is to let the observational empirical data speak for itself?

First bolding added. Keep in mind that this unexpected anisotrophy is very subtle. It may reveal an incompleteness in our understanding of cosmology, it may be due to incorrect modeling of the corrections that need to be applied to the raw data, it may be error in measurement, or it could be a coincidence. The first two seem most likely to me. The chances that this will overturn the Copernican model of the solar system are vastly smaller than the chances that this is a merely coincidence.

You need to realize that the "Axis of Evil" moniker was given in jest.

In jest? Are you sure?

Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR) observations from the WMAP satellite have shown some unexpected anisotropies, which surprisingly seem to be aligned with the ecliptic. This alignment has been dubbed the "axis of evil" with very damaging implications for the standard model of cosmology. The latest data from the Planck satellite have confirmed the presence of these anisotropies. Here we report even larger anisotropies in the sky distributions of powerful extended quasars and some other sub-classes of radio galaxies in the 3CRR catalogue, one of the oldest and most intensively studies sample of strong radio sources. The anisotropies lie about a plane passing through the two equinoxes and the north celestial pole (NCP). We can rule out at a 99.995% confidence level the hypothesis that these asymmetries are merely due to statistical fluctuations. Further, even the distribution of observed radio sizes of quasars and radio galaxies show large systematic differences between these two sky regions. The redshift distribution appear to be very similar in both regions of sky for all sources, which rules out any local effects to be the cause of these anomalies.

Two pertinent questions then arise.

1. First, why should there be such large anisotropies present in the sky distribution of some of the most distant discrete sources implying inhomogeneities in the universe at very large scales (covering a fraction of the universe)?

2. What is intriguing even further is why such anisotropies should lie about a great circle decided purely by the orientation of earth's rotation axis and/or the axis of its revolution around the sun?

It looks as if these axes have a preferential placement in the larger scheme of things, implying an apparent breakdown of the Copernican principle or its more generalization, cosmological principle, upon which all modern cosmological theories are based upon...

The axis of evil passes very close to the line joining the two equinox points, and so does the dipole direction representing the overall motion of the solar system in the universe. Also our plane dividing the two regions of asymmetry passes through the same two equinox points...

there is no denying that from the large anisotropies present in the radio sky, independently seen both in the discrete source distribution and in the diffuse CMBR, the Copernican principle seems to be in jeopardy... There is certainly a cause for worry. Is there a breakdown of the Copernican principle as things seen in two regions of sky divided purely by a coordinate system based on earth's orientation in space, shows a very large anisotropy in source distribution?

Why should the equinox points and the NCP should have any bearing on the large scale distribution of matter in the universe... The apparent alignment in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) in one particular direction through space is called "evil" because it undermines our ideas about the standard cosmological model!!!

You should not miss the 4 options that these researchers (who have extensive prior research in this field) have presented in light of the PLANCK findings. They are:

1) The current model (cold-dark matter inflationary big bang) is false.

2) Or it is true but there is something totally weird about the universe it has produced, it just does not make sense!

3) The observational data is wrong.

4) The processing of the data is wrong. Now options

3) and 4) have been invalidated and falsified. The data is correct and valid. Which only leaves the first two options.

1) The current model is false (and there goes the Copernican and Cosmological principles) or 2) the observed universe is not showing what the model expects it to be and is therefore behaving badly.

This is just a way of trying your best not to admit the first option, that the actual model is wrong.

Now, let's try to figure out the right way how to align earth's axis with these CMB maps :

In the last illustration posted in my previous post i have oriented earth's axis in the wrong direction, so i am going to correct this error by posting the following illustration :
AXIS OF EVIL - RIGHT ORIENTATION :



Isn't it absolutely ridiculous that you can't find any kind of a similar illustration (which shows how CMB map is really wrapped around spherical Earth) ANYWHERE across the entire FUCKING INTERNET?!?!?!?!? ANYWHERE??????

I would really like to see someone drawing for us exact position of Earth's equator on two CMB maps shown in the picture below :



Central (equatorial) part of the following picture is aligned with the galactic plane :



Then we have another kind of representation according which earth's equator goes from the left to the right through the center of the following picture :



This is further supported by this interpretation :



However, the next picture is again in galactic coordinates :



This obvious confusion is probably also responsible for uprising of this peculiar attempt of putting Earth's spatial orientation into "CMB" perspective :






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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #336 on: May 07, 2019, 09:19:43 AM »
This is all very interesting but what does it have to do with a “smoking gun”? It’s neither smoking nor a gun.

"There is no consensus on the nature of this and other observed anomalies[19] and their statistical significance is unclear. For example, a study that includes the Planck mission results shows how masking techniques could introduce errors that when taken into account can render several anomalies, including the Axis of Evil, not statistically significant.[20] A 2016 study compared isotropic and anisotropic cosmological models against WMAP and Planck data and found no evidence for anisotropy.[21]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil_(cosmology)

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #337 on: May 07, 2019, 10:34:59 AM »
You need to realize that the "Axis of Evil" moniker was given in jest.

In jest? Are you sure?

Yes.

Quote from: https://www.space.com/37334-earth-ordinary-cosmological-axis-evil.html
Hence the nickname "Axis of Evil," a tongue-in-cheek reference to President George W. Bush's labeling of Iran, Iraq, and North Korea in 2002.

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The axis of evil passes very close to the line joining the two equinox points, and so does the dipole direction representing the overall motion of the solar system in the universe. Also our plane dividing the two regions of asymmetry passes through the same two equinox points...

The line of equinoxes moves. If the "axis of evil" moves along with it, that will be interesting. If it doesn't, that, too, will be interesting.

The residual anomaly aligning with the solar system's direction of motion suggests that this is motion is not being correctly accounted for to a suitable degree of accuracy; given how small the anomalies are, the accuracy needed is quite high.

While interesting, this is not the death knell for the heliocentric solar system that you want it to be. There is far too much evidence to the contrary and too little in favor of it for your wish to be true.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #338 on: May 07, 2019, 02:32:58 PM »
<even more pathetic irrelevant BS>
Again, the topic you started was related to the rotation of the Earth. It had nothing to do with the cosmic background radiation.
Why are you so intent on spamming your own thread?
Is it because you know you cannot rationally defend your claims so you now need to pile on the BS to try and bury your abysmal failure?

Stick to the topic.
Can you prove that the rotation rate of Earth is exact and constant?
Can you prove that the stellar day must be shorter than the sidereal day?

If not, just admit you are wrong and start a new thread on your new topic.

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #339 on: May 07, 2019, 02:55:23 PM »
<even more pathetic irrelevant BS>
Again, the topic you started was related to the rotation of the Earth. It had nothing to do with the cosmic background radiation.
Why are you so intent on spamming your own thread?

This is not unusual. In the past I've tried to redirect topic drift like this into new threads with decidedly less than spectacular results. Now I just roll with it. I gather he considers all these different things to be evidence as compelling as a smoking gun, and it's his thread, anyway.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #340 on: May 07, 2019, 04:56:07 PM »
<< All totally irrelevant to the Heliocentric vs Geocentric Solar System >>
You, and so many others, try to confuse the issue by unnecessarily dragging modern Cosmology into the debate.

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #341 on: May 07, 2019, 05:06:28 PM »
You need to realize that the "Axis of Evil" moniker was given in jest.

In jest? Are you sure?

Yes.

While interesting, this is not the death knell for the heliocentric solar system that you want it to be. There is far too much evidence to the contrary and too little in favor of it for your wish to be true.

Hand waving is really interesting method of "argumentation."

Besides the evidence from CMB there are numerous other lines of evidence that validate the presence of the "axis of evil" and they also indicate a preferred position for the Earth. They include galaxy rotation alignments (galaxies spin a different direction based on which hemisphere of the universe they are in, suggesting that the entire universe itself might be in rotation), the distribution pattern of quasars, the pattern of acceleration of certain types of supernova, etc...

It has long been presumed that the universe is homogeneous and isotropic (the same in all locations) with no identifiable axis or orientation. Indeed, this is known as the cosmological principle.

Shamir’s report on the Sloan Digital Sky Survey shows that left-twisted galaxies were much more common than right-swirling galaxies; as well as structural mapping such as the BOSS Great Wall and Laniakea.

In a recent study using the Giant Meterwave Radio Telescope, South African astronomers made a remarkable discovery when analyzing the alignment of the spin axis of 64 galaxies. Reported in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, the astrophysicist team analyzed the orientation of the radio jet position angles and found that a surprisingly large number of supermassive black holes were aligned with their axes of spin.

Statistical analysis revealed that there was a 0.1% probability of such an alignment occurring by chance – strongly indicating that there is some as yet unseen force that is producing strong coherence among cosmological-scale objects.

Numerous lines of evidence (empirical, observational) have invalidated the Cosmolological principle which underlies the naturalist religion and evidence indicates that the earth has a privileged position in the universe, a central location in fact. The implications of these lines of evidence are not readily and frankly communicated to the public but are obscured and hidden whilst claims are made that the current model is largely supported, a false claim since inflation, dark matter and dark energy are invented theoretical constructs used give life support to the model. Most people will not understand the technical jargon or the real implications of what is being discovered which allows the scientists to continue invoking supernatural entities and processes (or inventing new physics) to keep their current paradigm from crumbling.

And you thought science was letting the data do the talking. No, its letting the hypothesis do the talking and the walking, while the data is gagged and chained, so no talking and no walking from the multiple streams of data! This is merely an illustration that science overwhelmingly is one of taqleed (blind-following), and scientific enquiry is largely determined by money. To receive grants and funding a certain paradigm has to be followed and thus careers and livelihood depend upon subservience to that paradigm. If you go against it with observational empirical data in your hands, you will suffer the consequences, no job, no career.

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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #342 on: May 07, 2019, 06:31:12 PM »

Yes.

While interesting, this is not the death knell for the heliocentric solar system that you want it to be. There is far too much evidence to the contrary and too little in favor of it for your wish to be true.

Hand waving is really interesting method of "argumentation."

As is your continual posting of material that is totally irrelevant to the question of the Heliocentric vs Geocentric Solar System! really interesting method of "argumentation."

All this material you present might (or might not) make a case for either the Solar System or even the Milky Way, our Galaxy being the "centre of the Universe".

But it is totally irrelevant to the question of the Heliocentric vs Geocentric Solar System!

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #343 on: May 07, 2019, 07:01:18 PM »
You need to realize that the "Axis of Evil" moniker was given in jest.

In jest? Are you sure?

Yes.

While interesting, this is not the death knell for the heliocentric solar system that you want it to be. There is far too much evidence to the contrary and too little in favor of it for your wish to be true.
strongly indicating that there is some as yet unseen force that is producing strong coherence among cosmological-scale objects.

Cool! But the solar system is not a cosmological-scale object. It is much better understood than cosmological-scale objects, too. None of this suggests that the sun is orbiting a stationary earth.

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Numerous lines of evidence (empirical, observational) have invalidated the Cosmolological principle which underlies the naturalist religion and evidence indicates that the earth has a privileged position in the universe, a central location in fact. The implications of these lines of evidence are not readily and frankly communicated to the public but are obscured and hidden whilst claims are made that the current model is largely supported, a false claim since inflation, dark matter and dark energy are invented theoretical constructs used give life support to the model. Most people will not understand the technical jargon or the real implications of what is being discovered which allows the scientists to continue invoking supernatural entities and processes (or inventing new physics) to keep their current paradigm from crumbling.

"New Physics" is sometimes made necessary to understand new observations and better explain earlier mysteries.

Until the discovery of nuclear energy, the only known sources of heat and light were chemical or mechanical. These sources were not potent enough to support the measured rates of heat flow from earth or energy from the sun for very long. New ideas in geology and biology could better explain what was known about the earth and life on it with a very old earth and the life it supports undergoing very slow change over staggeringly long periods of time. So statements like "the earth and sun cannot be more than a few tens of thousands of years old unless there is an unknown source of energy" were merely "theoretical constructs" until that hitherto unknown source of energy was found. It turns out this "theoretical construct" was right.

"Modern Physics" has replaced "Classical Physics". This includes relativity and quantum mechanics, which were not known before the beginning of the 20th century, but explained discoveries recent at the time as well as lingering mysteries like the precession of Mercury's orbit, and continued to predict behavior not yet observed (like gravity bending starlight [relativity] and solid-state electronics [quantum]), and continue to do so. There is no reason to believe that our current understanding of physics is complete, and dark matter, string theory, and several other "theoretical constructs" aren't "preventing the current paradigm from crumbling", they are postulated as answers that are being investigated as the explanation for observed phenomena that the current model does not adequately explain. These may all fall by the wayside in favor of something we don't know about yet. If the past is any guide, we will find that what we call Modern Physics is a good approximation for a large number of situations, but only part of a more complete model, which itself will still fall short in even more extreme conditions.

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And you thought science was letting the data do the talking. No, its letting the hypothesis do the talking and the walking, while the data is gagged and chained, so no talking and no walking from the multiple streams of data!

Yet you somehow know about this! How could that be if it were "gagged and chained"?

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This is merely an illustration that science overwhelmingly is one of taqleed (blind-following), and scientific enquiry is largely determined by money. To receive grants and funding a certain paradigm has to be followed and thus careers and livelihood depend upon subservience to that paradigm. If you go against it with observational empirical data in your hands, you will suffer the consequences, no job, no career.

That's bullshit. If that were true, no one would have heard of dark matter, dark energy, string theory, or the "axis of evil". The unexpected observations that caused them to be postulated would have simply been "deep sixed" (another colorful expression for the sort of thing you're accusing science of doing).

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but rather, 'hmm... that's funny...'"

This is still very much true. Whether you want to believe it or not.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #344 on: May 08, 2019, 06:09:52 AM »

This is merely an illustration that science overwhelmingly is one of taqleed (blind-following), and scientific enquiry is largely determined by money. To receive grants and funding a certain paradigm has to be followed and thus careers and livelihood depend upon subservience to that paradigm. If you go against it with observational empirical data in your hands, you will suffer the consequences, no job, no career.

That's bullshit. If that were true, no one would have heard of dark matter, dark energy, string theory, or the "axis of evil". The unexpected observations that caused them to be postulated would have simply been "deep sixed" (another colorful expression for the sort of thing you're accusing science of doing).

You've picked the wrong guy to complain about bullshit stories, because a real bullshit is right there, in your own camp :

“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.” Nikola Tesla (1856-1943)

“Einstein’s relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors.  The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple; worm ignorant people take for a king…its exponents are brilliant men, but they are metaphysics rather than scientists.” N.T.

“Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down; doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedoms, the major media destroy information, and religions destroy spirituality.”  DR.M.E.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” E.B.

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THE LIST OF EPIC BULLSHIT VIDEOS No 1 :

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71090.msg2168891#msg2168891

Just a few interesting comments that have been left below my "How can NASA recover from this EVER" videos :
Jasonnnsaurus
6 months ago
This video is so great. This was one of the first realizations I had when venturing deeper into astronomy studies - that there were obvious hypocritical statements made by NASA itself.

In The Beginning Was The Word 3 days ago
None of these heathens can get the story straight. The problem with telling a lie is that you have to remember the lie to keep it going.

David Beatty 14 minutes ago
Finally someone addresses the dirt kicked up by the astronauts, and the rover. If that was 1/6th gravity, that dirt would float much longer than it does in the videos.

MrTruth111 33 minutes ago
And those footprints are fake as fuck. Footprints like that ONLY occur in WET sand, like on the wet beach line. Also these footprints are so huge and deep. Moon's gravity is 1/6 of earths gravity, they weigh only 20 kg on the moon, and not 200 kg like in the pictures.

MrTruth111
42 minutes ago
When you look at footage from these lunar rovers, is that the dust behaves as if there is an atmosphere. It forms waves and is resisted by air and it falls back to the ground at the same speed. The dust from the wheelspin should propel 300 feet away.

Cam Alft
1 minute ago
35;05...'it's okay if you know it...''...you heard it folks, this astronut tells you right on video,he didn't go and he doesn't care that you know it.......because he will lie and lie to everyone and its because the liberal mind has no empathy or morals....none at all,just like actors,same exact thing..and when confronted about the lie,they get violent,that is always the last resort..

Phil RIta 11 minutes ago
They can't find any of the footage or telemetry info regarding one of humankind's greatest ever achievements, if not it's greatest, and they don't even know where to look? FFS. Game up. Proof positive.

Jeremy Hier 13 hours ago (edited)
Jeez, they can't even come up with a believable story. You can poke your finger through the lunar module? What idiot came up with this story for the people to believe. Good God.

H. Antonio Netzer 25 minutes ago
It's a remote control small scale toy  car.
   The driver NEVER STEERS the wheel.

Chris H 9 hours ago
We send men to another body in our solar system for the first time and what do they concentrate their camera on? .. the spaceship they flew in from earth. Doesn't that strike you as odd? It would be like sending the Rover to Mars with a camera that just points backwards at the Rover.

Rick M 35 minutes ago
One lie leads to another lie and another until you finally forget what you originally said , hearing these assholenauts is exactly what is happening !?

NASA is about stealing money of US tax payers, and about lying, dishonesty and deception of highest order (in many fields).

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Have you Ever seen Anything as Fake as This??? - part 2 (second attempt) :
Where are the stars?
Why cloud morphing is so drastically different in the case of Himawari 8 satellite (geosynchronous satellite) animation comparing it to earth's rotation animation allegedly created of photos allegedly taken by Galileo "spacecraft" (close pass of the earth on December 1990)?
How about two totally different rotational speeds of the earth (pay attention to the second part of the video)?
2A CGI STARS, CGI EARTH, CGI EVERYTHING :
---How about live streaming of the earth by using camera mounted on a
geostationary satellite?

Neil De Grass Tyson explains that at the edge of an atmosphere you can see stars even with the sun in the sky, doesn't it mean that when the sun is not in the sky then the view of the stars is much more spectacular (the stars are much brighter) then here on the earth. Following this logic i suppose that in space you wouldn't even have to use long exposure in order to catch the stars while taking the photo of the night sky. ACCOMPANYING VIDEO :

Some people even claim that at the edge of the atmosphere you can't see stars at all, not only that, they claim that at the edge of the atmosphere you can't even see the sun, all that you can see (according to them) is the moon and the earth. ACCOMPANYING VIDEO :

On the other hand, according to Neil De Grass Tyson when you get at the edge of the atmosphere all of a sudden the view becomes totally spectacular. So, as i already pointed out : following his (Neil De Grass Tyson) logic stars wouldn't be just a little brighter, they would be much brighter. How much brighter? It's hard to tell, but i would say : at least so much brighter as the stars are brighter when we watch them from some high mountain free of light pollution (during the clearest night) in comparison to the view of the stars as seen from some hazy hill in the vicinity of Los Angeles.

The reality is that when looking through the atmosphere you can see the stars from some hazy hill above Los Angeles, you can even catch them with your camera without applying any zoom, whatsoever (let alone, what happens when you zoom in (just a little bit)) :



ACCOMPANYING VIDEO :



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On top of that :
How to Manually Focus Your Camera at Night to Shoot Stars :


The relevance here is that this guy managed to take the following photo without using long exposure technique :



So, i ask again, why we can't see any star in this video :

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ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF UTTER BULLSHIT - EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE, NOT JUST HIGHLY UNLIKELY, BUT IMPOSSIBLE! - part 1 :



 A J 17 hours ago
I called Dr. Mary Switzer a few years ago about her findings. She didn't want to talk about it.?

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EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE, NOT JUST HIGHLY UNLIKELY, BUT IMPOSSIBLE! - part 2
odiupicku 2 seconds ago
She just said : I don't want to talk with you (for no reason), or she gave you some kind of explanation for refusing to talk to you (on this topic)??

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A J 1 hour ago (edited)
odiupicku she didn't want to talk about the topic. She was very polite, it's just,when I brought up the topic of soft tissue found in do no bones and why the story went silent, she changed and didn't want to talk about it. She was irritated. She referred me to her website. You can call her too.


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JFK ASSASSINATION - THE FINAL TRUTH - part 4 (epilogue - with few corrections :


JFK ASSASSINATION - THE FINAL TRUTH - part 6 (conspiracy proven) :



JFK ASSASSINATION - THE FINAL TRUTH - part 7 (the final word) :



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It's a system - Bread and Circuses :



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How to knock down three buildings with two airplanes - part 1 :



The Importance of JULIAN ASSANGE case - part 4 :



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sokarul

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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #345 on: May 08, 2019, 08:13:16 AM »
Why has no one ever noticed the Tropic of Capricorn is longer than the equator and Tropic of Cancer?

Sokarul

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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #346 on: May 08, 2019, 09:36:19 AM »

This is merely an illustration that science overwhelmingly is one of taqleed (blind-following), and scientific enquiry is largely determined by money. To receive grants and funding a certain paradigm has to be followed and thus careers and livelihood depend upon subservience to that paradigm. If you go against it with observational empirical data in your hands, you will suffer the consequences, no job, no career.

That's bullshit. If that were true, no one would have heard of dark matter, dark energy, string theory, or the "axis of evil". The unexpected observations that caused them to be postulated would have simply been "deep sixed" (another colorful expression for the sort of thing you're accusing science of doing).

You've picked the wrong guy to complain about bullshit stories, because a real bullshit is right there, in your own camp :

“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.” Nikola Tesla (1856-1943)

“Einstein’s relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors.  The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple; worm ignorant people take for a king…its exponents are brilliant men, but they are metaphysics rather than scientists.” N.T.

Appeal to authority.

Nikola Tesla, while brilliant at some things, wasn't always right. These quotes are examples of the latter.

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“Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down; doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedoms, the major media destroy information, and religions destroy spirituality.”  DR.M.E.

Who is Dr. M. E?

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“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” E.B.

Which is why many of us bother answering claims about flat earth and geocentricity posted in this forum.

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"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #347 on: May 08, 2019, 01:10:41 PM »
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” E.B.
Which is why many of us bother answering claims about flat earth and geocentricity posted in this forum.

Well, i understand why sokarul is a holocaust denier, and i also understand why you put flat earth and geocentricity in the same sentence...

This is exactly why you have to subscribe to my youtube channel :

NASA is lying almost about everything and the earth is round. Flat-earth stupidity revival was orchestrated by NASA guys. They carefully organized it in a way that was going to produce the result that they wanted : whenever someone mention something about NASA fraudulent missions, or about the heliocentric hoax (which is a grandaddy of all deceptions in today's world) or about "evolution theory" hoax, or about Big-Bang idiocy, or about 9/11 inside job, or about NWO agenda, or about Kennedy assassination (which was an inside job, also), etc..., they instantly pull out their ace "flat earth stupidity" saying : you see there is no essential difference between these guys and those who believe that the earth is flat (they instantly assign flat-earth label to all of them, in order to discredit every voice of reason in today's fucked up world)...

I recall one occasion when Donald Trump (very well knowing that he blatantly lies) put the blame for 9/11 on Osama Bin Laden... It seems as if you are not allowed to live and work in USA unless you swear on 9/11 official interpretation (which became some kind of a satanic holly grail before which everyone have to kneel and worship it), isn't that so?

Had there been any way to prove that the Earth is submitted to any kind of motion, scientists would have supplied us with these proof(s) up until now, and by doing this they would have provided immortal fame for themselves.

Ignorant folk think that such minority opinions as geocentric theory (which is true description of our reality) are the "conspiracy theories" . . . There is a real conspiracy for sure but the sad thing is it is mostly a "conspiracy of willful and apathetic ignorance" (for numerous reasons). The very people who would call geocentrists "quack conspiracy theorists" are either themselves completely ignorant of even modern cosmological axioms and principles of gravitation and mechanics or they are just "playing stupid", hoping that no one will notice or call their bluff.

Most of those who pretend to be intelligent and/or knowledgeable about physics are just plain stupid, and a few are just ignorant but once you show them, if they are honest and will continue the dialogue, they say something to the effect of, "Wow! I even got a PhD in physics X number of years ago and even taught it for X number of years... I did not think about it that way... but you can't ignore those facts". You can go to any mental hospital and the population of wackos and inmates will outnumber the doctors and the sane folk, and moreover call them crazies.

What’s even more hilarious is the fact that even folk like Steven Hawking and a few intellectually honest physicists and cosmologists who would read what we are saying and are capable of understanding it, know that what we have been saying is absolutely true ( it is a philosophical not a logic and observational choice). Not only do they admit that but even "snicker" about it to each other...LOL... but they won't dare to address that too openly with the dumb, ignorant masses... best not to confuse the common folk with unnecessary information and facts.

Even more sad are all the others like out there who don’t have a clue what I’m saying here and shake their heads thinking they know something about physics that tells them that the Earth moves. If only they studied the text books and peer reviewed papers a little closer, they would realize just how absolutely ignorant with a capital "I" that argument really is.

ALEXANDER VON HUMBOLDT admitted long time ago :
>>>>>“I have known too, for a long time that we have no argument for the Copernican system, but I shall never dare to be the first to attack it. Don't rush into the wasps' nest. You will bring upon yourself the scorn of the thoughtless multitude… to come forth as the first against opinions, which the world has become fond of - I don't feel the courage.”<<<<<

LINCOLN BARNETT agrees:
“No physical experiment ever proved that the Earth actually is in motion.”

And one of the chief participants in the experiment that bears his name (ALBERT A. MICHELSON), stunned by the results that went counter to his own heliocentric reflex:

“This conclusion directly contradicts the explanation… which presupposes that the Earth moves.”

Does it surprise anyone that the earliest proselytizers of evolutionism were avowed Copernicans, having just received that great quantum leap in "wisdom" from their grandfathers? I can find none.

What i do find, is that phiosophers and other intellectuals, all Copernicans from Descartes, Spinoza and Leibniz, had established the heliocentric cosmology so solidly over a 300 year period in the universities and publication circles that even the famous scientist von Humboldt was cowed into silence. Just before Darwin's book came out in 1859, Humboldt said: _"I have known too far a long time, that we have no arguments for the Copernican system..."_ Still, fear of "scorn of a thoughtless multitude" prevented him from saying anything. (C. Schoeppfer, The Earth Stands Fast. (Charles Ludwig, Printer, N.Y., 1900), p. 59.)

Nasa is an Embarrassing Joke! They are a luciferian Sun Cult (STEELING OUR MONEY, based on false pretenses!) and are hiding the keys to knowledge and material and spiritual truth...to enslave US!

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”

“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

It is now time to recognize how Darwinism, in turn supplied the basis for conquest of the social and behavioral "sciences," the Arts, Mathematics, and Religion. It is time to understand that Communism and Humanism are equally dependent upon that other foundational "scientific" principle that goes hand in glove with evolutionism. That pre-evolutionary principle was and is Bible-bashing Copernicanism.

Does someone say they aren't convinced that the very heartbeat of Communist and Humanist ideology is the anti-Bible moving Earth concept we call Copernicanism? Let such a one lend an ear to what a gathering of Communist scientists in London in 1931 were saying.

They knew that they system absolutely depended on a conviction that nothing in the universe can be motionless. If anything could be motionless, then the Earth could be as the Bible says, and the game would be over!

“…I tell my classes that had Galileo confronted the Church in Einstein’s day, he would have lost the argument for better reasons. You may use my name if you wish.” Mathematician, Carl E. Wulfman

"I have read with much interest Messsrs. Michelson and Morley's wonderfully delicate experiment attempting to decide the important question as to how far the ether is carried along by the earth...I would suggest that almost the only hypothesis that can reconcile this opposition is thet the length of material bodies changes..." George Fitzgerald

"...Again, once more for the record : it has been shown at least six different ways this century alone that the equations and physics used by NASA to launch satellites are identical to the equations derived from a geocentric universe. Thus, if the space program is proof of anything, it proves geocentricity and disproves heliocentrism." Astronomer, Dr. Bouw

"I have to confess that I was bothered by the fact that the Axis of Evil seemed linked to a special direction in our solar system...But now we have completely independent data...This is a hint of something really big." Astrophysicist, Max Tegmark

"The apparent alignment in the cosmic microwave background in one particular direction through space is called "evil" because it undermines our ideas about the standard cosmological model...the Copernican Principle seems to be in jeopardy." Astrophysicist, Ashok K. Singal

"The uniform distribution of [gamma-ray] burst arrival directions tells us that the distribution of gamma-ray-burst sources in space is a sphere or spherical shell, with us at the center" - Jonathan Katz in The Biggest Bangs: The Mystery of Gamma-Ray Bursts, the Most Violent Explosions in the Universe

"The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe, or maybe the data is simply incorrect" - Lawrence Krauss 2006

"To date, there has been no general way of determining that we live at a typical position in the Universe" - Chris Clarkson et al. in Physical Review Letters in 2008

"Without Dark Energy, Earth must be] literally at the center of the universe, which is, to say the least, unusual" - Lawrence Krauss 2009

"One of the most surprising findings is that the fluctuations in the cosmic microwave radiation temperatures at large angular scales do not match those predicted by the standard (Big Bang) model."
The European Space Agency, Planck Probe, 2013

There is a great force in renunciation of power that those who are blinded by the LUST for domination cannot understand because those who truly love do not desire power.

Chief among the forces affecting political folly is LUST for power, named by Tacitus as the most flagrant of all passions.

A fascist is one whose LUST for money or power is combined with such an intensity of intolerance toward those of other races, parties, classes, religions, cultures, regions or nations as to make him ruthless in his use of deceit or violence to attain his ends. Henry A. Wallace

It is not power itself, but the legitimation of the LUST for power, which corrupts absolutely! Bertrand Russell

The State acquires power... and because of its insatiable LUST for power it is incapable of giving up any of it. The State never abdicates.
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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #348 on: May 08, 2019, 02:37:25 PM »
And still more pathetic BS. Shall I take this again as an admission that all your claims in the thread regarding Earth's rotation rate being exact and the stellar day being shorter than the sidereal day to be blatant lies based upon you not giving a damn about the truth and just wanting to promote the BS ideas of your ancient, ignorant religion?

Skimming through your post of mountains of BS, there only seems to be one question of any merit:
So, i ask again, why we can't see any star in this video
Go out at night and have someone shine a flashlight in your face. See how many stars you can see then.

Now how about you quit with your pathetic spam and try and rational argument for once? One where you stick to it and either admit you were wrong or manage to defend your claims rationally and honestly?

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rabinoz

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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #349 on: May 08, 2019, 03:37:48 PM »
NASA is lying almost about everything and the earth is round. Flat-earth stupidity revival was orchestrated by NASA guys. They carefully organized it in a way that was going to produce the result that they wanted.
Total utter stupid garbage! The "modern revival" of the crazy idea that the earth is flat was started by creationists in the mid-1800s as a reaction to the perceived threat of Darwinianism.

NASA did not start till 1958 and had absolutely nothing to do with the "earth being claimed to be flat".

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", the Sagan standard.
Your claims that "NASA is lying almost about everything and the earth is round. Flat-earth stupidity revival was orchestrated by NASA guys. They carefully organized it in a way that was going to produce the result that they wanted" are extraordinary claims.
Please provide the required "extraordinary evidence" or admit you are the charlatan that you appear to be.

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It seems as if you are not allowed to live and work in USA unless you swear on 9/11 official interpretation (which became some kind of a satanic holly grail before which everyone have to kneel and worship it), isn't that so?
No, it is NOT so and only a total deranged idiot would claim such a thing. I must check with my son again to make sure because he's heading there in a few days.

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Had there been any way to prove that the Earth is submitted to any kind of motion, scientists would have supplied us with these proof(s) up until now, and by doing this they would have provided immortal fame for themselves.
There have been numerous methods of detecting the rotation of the earth or of measuring its effect!
  • Newton predicted that, due to its rotation, the earth would have an ellipticity of ε=1/230. Due to other "unknowns" at the time he was a bit out and ε is actually about 1/305.
    But other scientists, notably Cassini, argued that the earth would be prolate and not oblate as Newton predicted. See The Shape of a Rotating Fluid Mass or Clairaut's theorem for more details.

  • Foucault's gyroscope - he had no means to keep it spinning so it was never "convincing".

  • Foucault's pendulum - yes it does work and there's not aether to push it.

  • Marine Gyrocompasses and Gyro-theodolites rely on the earth rotation to determine true North.
    A common instrument for precise direction underground is the Gyro-Theodolite. This is more or less a gyro-compass + theodolite, though is far more precise than a marine gyro-compass.
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    There are numerous other references to this topic, such as: Optimization of the Breakthrough Accuracy in Tunneling Surveys.

    You have been presented with this numerous times but have always simply ignored it - a sign of a blinkered close mind!

  • Modern laser ring gyroscopes measure the rotation of the earth to extreme precision!

  • Both the Coriolis and Eötvös effects are due to the rotation of the earth. See Eötvös effect « Reply #6 on: June 05, 2017, 07:52:35 AM »
. Here's a little video on the Eötvös effect.

Flat Earth vs Globe - The Eötvös effect observed in aircraft - how does it affect Gravity?


  • A stationary earth with a massive sun and a far more massive Universe rotating about it at about one revolution per day has no physical explanation.
    It is completely opposed to Newton's Laws of Gravitation and Universal Acceleration and you refuse to present any comparable laws that govern your Geostationary Universe.

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Ignorant folk think that such minority opinions as geocentric theory (which is true description of our reality) are the "conspiracy theories" . . . There is a real conspiracy for sure but the sad thing is it is mostly a "conspiracy of willful and apathetic ignorance" (for numerous reasons).
No, it is adherents to the totally impossible Geocentric Theory that are the "ignorant folk" and simply refuse to accept reality for unknown "reasons".

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The very people who would call geocentrists "quack conspiracy theorists" are either themselves completely ignorant of even modern cosmological axioms and principles of gravitation and mechanics or they are just "playing stupid", hoping that no one will notice or call their bluff.
Really? But we do not have to look to modern cosmology anyway.

The Heliocentric vs Geocentric question is simply between the Heliocentric Solar System and the Geocentric Solar System but you always drag modern cosmology into it.

And, like it or not, the "principles of gravitation and mechanics" whether Newton's (which suffices in most case) or General Relativity are extremely well verified by real experiments and observation.

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Most of those who pretend to be intelligent and/or knowledgeable about physics are just plain stupid.
Really?
Ever looked in a mirror? If you want to see "stupid" that's how to do it because you "pretend to be intelligent and/or knowledgeable about physics and are just plain stupid".

If you want to change my mind answer the points I raise especially this: Geocentrism is completely opposed to Newton's Laws of Gravitation and Universal Acceleration and you refuse to present any comparable laws that govern your Geostationary Universe.[/li][/list]

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #350 on: May 08, 2019, 04:23:40 PM »
NASA is lying almost about everything and the earth is round. Flat-earth stupidity revival was orchestrated by NASA guys. They carefully organized it in a way that was going to produce the result that they wanted.
Total utter stupid garbage! The "modern revival" of the crazy idea that the earth is flat was started by creationists in the mid-1800s as a reaction to the perceived threat of Darwinianism.

After all these years you still don't get it, why is that? Stupidity? Foolishness? Imbecility? Take your pick.

Don't you tell me you have never watched this video before :

GEOCENTRICITY - THOUGHT CRIME :



You think you know something about the real nature of this world?

Unspeakable Genocide You've Never Heard Of - part 1 :



https://kevinbarrett.heresycentral.is/2016/08/gerard-menuhin-on-tell-the-truth-and-shame-the-devil/

The Chinese scientists considered their tasks as "discovering" and "following" the natural rules, rather than "reasoning" because of the confines of human intellectual comprehension. As late as in the Qing ( ) dynasty (1644-1911), the eminent scholar Ruan Yuan ( ) still complained that Western astronomers successively changed their theories in explaining astronomical phenomena: "The laws are always changing ... I don't know where the real reason lies." He then concluded that "heavenly laws are so profound and subtle that they lie beyond human ability". Theories should therefore express certainties rather than search for reasons. Only in this way can theories "last forever without error".

Consequently, the Chinese did not establish a structural view of nature that substantially requires "reasoning" as embraced in the Western science. In other words, the Chinese did not attempt to make systematic connections between natural principles that people had in mind; they "had sciences but no science, no single conception or word for the overarching sum of all of them"(Sivin, 1995).

Just in case you've missed the point i hope next words will be of great help for you to figure out what exactly i am trying to point out here :

It is important to note that much of the resistance to what we call the Copernican Revolution derived from the fact that for some time it left many important questions unanswered - in particular, how the planets and stars moved and cohered without the celestial spheres. One central insight was the switch from Aristotles's belief in projectile motion, in which a moving object must be acted upon directly to keep moving, to the modern concept of INERTIA, in which a moving object keeps moving unless stopped by wind drag or something else.

 A related insight also contrary to Aristotle was Newton's MATHEMATICAL understanding of GRAVITY, which allowed bodies to act on one another from a distance without direct contact. In a letter to Dr. Bentley. Feb. 25th, 1692, Newton says ;— “ That gravitation should be innate and inherent in matter, so that one body can act upon another at a distance — is to me SO GREAT AN ABSURDITY, that I believe no man who has, in philosophical matters, a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it .” Yet many have fallen into this “great absurdity.” Such men therefore—according to Newton — have not "a competent faculty of thinking” in philosophical matters. I am happy to be in agreement with Sir Isaac on this important point. Sir Robert Ball says: — “The law of gravitation ... underlies the whole of Astronomy.” (Story of the Heavens, p. 122). It does not speak very well for the Astronomy, if it is founded on an acknowledged “great absurdity.” According to Newton's way of thinking, besides the ordinary actions of physical laws, God acted by sustaining the motion of celestial spheres, and by setting up the initial orbits of the planets and later preventing them from disintegrating. Newton didn't hesitate to appeal to extraordinary acts of God to explain features of the natural world.

 Nevertheless, many of Newton's successors thought Newton was suggesting that God had to "correct" his own regular actions. They preferred instead the notion of God manifesting his powers not with irregular actions in nature but strictly by establishing regular "laws" that governed the entire cosmos.

 With the skeptical arguments of the later Enlightenment and the Epicurean materialist strain of thought revived during the Renaissance (present already in Galileo and others), the concept of nature's Lawgiver slowly disappeared, and with it Newton's concept of natural law. In its place stood an atomistic and impersonal concept of Law as mechanistic natural necessity, and for a time this view threatened to crowd out all other explanations (such as chance and design) in natural science. Newton's deistic successors left a picture of nature as an eternal, infinite, and self-sustaining clockwork machine.

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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #351 on: May 08, 2019, 04:51:25 PM »
All fine and good from a philosophical standpoint. But not really scientific, nor contrary to existing scientific evidence. Nor a smoking gun. I thought your post was originally supposed to be some sort of earth shattering geocentric mic drop. Super disappointing in that regard. If I wanted opinion, conjecture, and conspiratorial fantasy, I would have just stuck with your YT channel. As it stands here, just copy and pasted plagiarism again and again with no real meaning, substance, or use. Sad.

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #352 on: May 08, 2019, 04:53:56 PM »
After all these years you still don't get it, why is that? Stupidity? Foolishness? Imbecility? Take your pick.
Good job projecting yet again.

Now how about you try a rational argument instead of mountains of spam?
Don't just copy and past garbage or spam links to it.
Present a nice simple argument from yourself.

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rabinoz

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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #353 on: May 08, 2019, 05:08:23 PM »
NASA is lying almost about everything and the earth is round. Flat-earth stupidity revival was orchestrated by NASA guys. They carefully organized it in a way that was going to produce the result that they wanted.
Total utter stupid garbage! The "modern revival" of the crazy idea that the earth is flat was started by creationists in the mid-1800s as a reaction to the perceived threat of Darwinianism.

After all these years you still don't get it, why is that? Stupidity? Foolishness? Imbecility? Take your pick.

No "Stupidity? Foolishness? Imbecility?" is what you see when you look in that mirror and think you're seeing others but you're seeing youself.

So you still have no answers to all the points I raised and not even this: Geocentrism is completely opposed to Newton's Laws of Gravitation and Universal Acceleration and you refuse to present any comparable laws that govern your Geostationary Universe.

A few years ago you were just as adamant about there earth's being flat! I'll wait till you see the error of you ways.
Your Geocentric Universe needs too much magic for my liking.

Your smoking gun has misfired again!

PS How far is the Sun from the earth, the other planets from the Sun and the nearest easily visible star (Alpha Centauri) from the Sun?
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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #354 on: May 08, 2019, 06:28:19 PM »
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” E.B.
Which is why many of us bother answering claims about flat earth and geocentricity posted in this forum.

Well, i understand ... why you put flat earth and geocentricity in the same sentence...

It's because both are appealing and appear to make sense if not critically examined, but neither stand up to more than trivial  scrutiny.

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This is exactly why you have to subscribe to my youtube channel :

NASA is lying almost about everything and the earth is round. Flat-earth stupidity revival was orchestrated by NASA guys. They carefully organized it in a way that was going to produce the result that they wanted : whenever someone mention something about NASA fraudulent missions, or about the heliocentric hoax (which is a grandaddy of all deceptions in today's world) or about "evolution theory" hoax, or about Big-Bang idiocy, or about 9/11 inside job, or about NWO agenda, or about Kennedy assassination (which was an inside job, also), etc..., they instantly pull out their ace "flat earth stupidity" saying : you see there is no essential difference between these guys and those who believe that the earth is flat (they instantly assign flat-earth label to all of them, in order to discredit every voice of reason in today's fucked up world)...

The Conspiracy Theory Channel? No, thanks.

Of those things you nominate, only the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theory has even a shadow of a chance of being remotely possible, and that's quite sketchy.

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I recall one occasion when Donald Trump (very well knowing that he blatantly lies) put the blame for 9/11 on Osama Bin Laden... It seems as if you are not allowed to live and work in USA unless you swear on 9/11 official interpretation (which became some kind of a satanic holly grail before which everyone have to kneel and worship it), isn't that so?

Wrong again. I live and work in the USA. 9/11 conspiracists were thick on the ground for years, and I worked with a few. Many seem to have moved on to different things to be entertained by or feel threatened by now, maybe because they got bored, or maybe they realized they would rather hate Muslims, and doubting that Muslims pulled off 9/11 was counterproductive to that. Whatever the reason, not as many are quite so noisy about it any more.

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Had there been any way to prove that the Earth is submitted to any kind of motion, scientists would have supplied us with these proof(s) up until now, and by doing this they would have provided immortal fame for themselves.

Again, there can't be 'proof', so your supposition is self-contradictory, like "If something is impossible to accomplish but someone did it...".
 
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Ignorant folk think that such minority opinions as geocentric theory (which is true description of our reality) are the "conspiracy theories" . . .

No, you have that backwards. It's an ignorant minority that think heliocentric theory (which is true description of our reality) is being pushed by a mysterious conspiracy. Rational people think minority opinions like geocentric theorists are merely ignorant, not conspirators; most people who really believe in geocentrism are pretty vocal about it - exactly the opposite of a conspiracy, unless they are secretly heliocentrists trying to look so ignorant that they give geocentrism a bad name. But that makes no sense, because there would be no point since you just have heliocentrists, and heliocentrists that pretend to be geocentrists, so what's the point?

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There is a real conspiracy for sure but the sad thing is it is mostly a "conspiracy of willful and apathetic ignorance" (for numerous reasons). The very people who would call geocentrists "quack conspiracy theorists" are either themselves completely ignorant of even modern cosmological axioms and principles of gravitation and mechanics or they are just "playing stupid", hoping that no one will notice or call their bluff.

Again, who really believes there is a geocentrism conspiracy? Are you suggesting that the same people ignorant enough to fall for a lot of crackpot conspiracy theories are likely to also fall for geocentrism? You may be on to something there.

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Most of those who pretend to be intelligent and/or knowledgeable about physics are just plain stupid, and a few are just ignorant but once you show them, if they are honest and will continue the dialogue, they say something to the effect of, "Wow! I even got a PhD in physics X number of years ago and even taught it for X number of years... I did not think about it that way... but you can't ignore those facts". You can go to any mental hospital and the population of wackos and inmates will outnumber the doctors and the sane folk, and moreover call them crazies.

This very forum is a good example. Flat-earthers, geocentrists, and wacko conspiracy theorists call the sane folk crazy.

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What’s even more hilarious is the fact that even folk like Steven Hawking and a few intellectually honest physicists and cosmologists who would read what we are saying and are capable of understanding it, know that what we have been saying is absolutely true ( it is a philosophical not a logic and observational choice). Not only do they admit that but even "snicker" about it to each other...LOL... but they won't dare to address that too openly with the dumb, ignorant masses... best not to confuse the common folk with unnecessary information and facts.

It is fun to completely make up stuff and then pretend that what you just made up is reality sometimes. Especially if you can sell it as a work of fiction. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't start to really believe it.

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Even more sad are all the others like out there who don’t have a clue what I’m saying here and shake their heads thinking they know something about physics that tells them that the Earth moves. If only they studied the text books and peer reviewed papers a little closer, they would realize just how absolutely ignorant with a capital "I" that argument really is.

ALEXANDER VON HUMBOLDT admitted long time ago :
>>>>>“I have known too, for a long time that we have no argument for the Copernican system, but I shall never dare to be the first to attack it. Don't rush into the wasps' nest. You will bring upon yourself the scorn of the thoughtless multitude… to come forth as the first against opinions, which the world has become fond of - I don't feel the courage.”<<<<<

LINCOLN BARNETT agrees:
“No physical experiment ever proved that the Earth actually is in motion.”

And one of the chief participants in the experiment that bears his name (ALBERT A. MICHELSON), stunned by the results that went counter to his own heliocentric reflex:

“This conclusion directly contradicts the explanation… which presupposes that the Earth moves.”

Speaking of appeals to authority and quotes out of context, you never said who Dr. M. E is. You appealed to him here.
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Does it surprise anyone that the earliest proselytizers of evolutionism were avowed Copernicans

It wouldn't surprise me. Why should it?

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having just received that great quantum leap in "wisdom" from their grandfathers? I can find none.

You couldn't find what? Proselytizers of evolutionism who were avowed Copernicans, or a great quantum leap in wisdom, or grandfathers?

Do you realize that your not finding something, or not recognizing it if you did happen upon it, doesn't mean much?

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What i do find, is that phiosophers and other intellectuals, all Copernicans from Descartes, Spinoza and Leibniz, had established the heliocentric cosmology so solidly over a 300 year period in the universities and publication circles that even the famous scientist von Humboldt was cowed into silence.

Who? I had to look him up. Is he the guy sometimes called "the forgotten man of science"?

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Just before Darwin's book came out in 1859, Humboldt said: _"I have known too far a long time, that we have no arguments for the Copernican system..."_ Still, fear of "scorn of a thoughtless multitude" prevented him from saying anything. (C. Schoeppfer, The Earth Stands Fast. (Charles Ludwig, Printer, N.Y., 1900), p. 59.)

Did he change his tune after On the Origin of Species was published? Why? If not, why mention the book?

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Nasa is an Embarrassing Joke! They are a luciferian Sun Cult (STEELING OUR MONEY, based on false pretenses!) and are hiding the keys to knowledge and material and spiritual truth...to enslave US!

"Sun Cult". Lol! They did launch the Parker Solar Probe last year (finally!), but that spacecraft is for physical observations and measurements of the outer corona of the sun, not worshiping it. It took freakin' forever to get the mission funded and the equipment built and launched. If they were really sun worshipers, that would seem to be a higher priority than the other solar system stuff they spend most of their time and effort on.

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“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”

“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

That last one seems to especially apply to you.

Because you constantly ignore results that disagree with what you want to hear...

"There are none so blind as those who will not see."

See... I can find things to quote, too.

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It is now time to recognize how Darwinism, in turn supplied the basis for conquest of the social and behavioral "sciences," the Arts, Mathematics, and Religion. It is time to understand that Communism and Humanism are equally dependent upon that other foundational "scientific" principle that goes hand in glove with evolutionism. That pre-evolutionary principle was and is Bible-bashing Copernicanism.

Does someone say they aren't convinced that the very heartbeat of Communist and Humanist ideology is the anti-Bible moving Earth concept we call Copernicanism? Let such a one lend an ear to what a gathering of Communist scientists in London in 1931 were saying.

They knew that they system absolutely depended on a conviction that nothing in the universe can be motionless. If anything could be motionless, then the Earth could be as the Bible says, and the game would be over!

If you want to believe the earth is the center of everything and ignore anything to the the contrary because that's what you think the Bible says, that's fine. But, if you choose to do that, please don't lecture people who make observations and measurements, and modify their ideas based on what they find, about "not following the data where it leads."

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"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #355 on: May 15, 2019, 05:10:39 AM »
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” E.B.
Which is why many of us bother answering claims about flat earth and geocentricity posted in this forum.

Well, i understand ... why you put flat earth and geocentricity in the same sentence...

It's because both are appealing and appear to make sense if not critically examined, but neither stand up to more than trivial  scrutiny.

lol


This is exactly why you have to subscribe to my youtube channel :

NASA is lying almost about everything and the earth is round. Flat-earth stupidity revival was orchestrated by NASA guys. They carefully organized it in a way that was going to produce the result that they wanted : whenever someone mention something about NASA fraudulent missions, or about the heliocentric hoax (which is a grandaddy of all deceptions in today's world) or about "evolution theory" hoax, or about Big-Bang idiocy, or about 9/11 inside job, or about NWO agenda, or about Kennedy assassination (which was an inside job, also), etc..., they instantly pull out their ace "flat earth stupidity" saying : you see there is no essential difference between these guys and those who believe that the earth is flat (they instantly assign flat-earth label to all of them, in order to discredit every voice of reason in today's fucked up world)...

The Conspiracy Theory Channel? No, thanks.

For proof, grab your tin-foil hat and read on, because here we’ve gathered some of the wildest conspiracy theories that have turned out to be 100 percent rooted in fact.

1. Prohibition was introduced in 1920 to control the country’s alcohol consumption, but that only resulted in widespread speakeasies and bootlegging, which is the illegal production and distribution of alcohol. The prohibition law proved it wasn’t enough to curb drinking habits, so the government took more drastic measures. They decided to poison the country’s illegal liquor supply by adding toxins, including highly-lethal methanol, to alcohol in the mid-1920s. In total, it is estimated around 10,000 people died as a result of the government’s poisoning.

2. From 1953 to 1964, the CIA secretly dosed individuals with LSD to test the potential effects of mind control. During this practice—called Project MKUltra—thousands of U.S. citizens were given LSD without their knowledge or consent. In 1973, CIA Director Richard Helms ordered the destruction of all records related to MKUltra. So now there is very little evidence that remains, but this immoral research was likely responsible for many resulting deaths. One of the most notable was that of Frank Olson, a United States Army biochemist and biological weapons researcher who was given LSD without his knowledge or consent in November of 1953.

3. In 1964, President Lyndon Johnson told the public that U.S. ships were attacked by the Vietnamese—known as the Gulf of Tonkin attack—to gain the support of American citizens for the Vietnam War. However, a year later, Johnson admitted there was no attack and was quoted as saying, “For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there.” In 2005, official documents from the National Security Agency were released that confirmed that the whole Gulf of Tonkin attack never happened and was fabricated to gain support the war.

4. About 1,600 Nazi scientists were sent to work in the U.S. in 1945 following Germany’s defeat in WWII. The program, called Operation Paperclip, was exposed in media outlets, including the New York Times, in 1946. Some of these scientists were involved in Project MKUltra. Wernher von Braun was one of the well-known former Nazi participants in this program, and he was put to work as director of the Development Operations Division of the Army Ballistic Missile Agency. He was involved in the moon landing and developed the Jupiter-C rocket used to launch America’s first satellite.

5. In 1975, the CIA revealed a secret weapon that could cause fatal heart attacks. It worked by shooting a small poison dart that could penetrate clothing and left behind nothing but a tiny red dot on the skin. The dart disintegrated on impact, and the target would only feel a small prick, similar to a bug bite. Since the poison denatured quickly, it could not be detected in an autopsy. Therefore, the CIA could carry out assassinations that wouldn’t be traced back to them. Many believe the CIA still uses this weapon today.

6. The government is using its vast resources to track its citizens via their online activities. In fact, according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), in 2016, government agencies sent 49,868 requests for user data to Facebook, 27,850 to Google, and 9,076 to Apple. EFF is a major nonprofit organization which defends civil liberties in the digital world and advises the public on internet privacy matters.

7. In 1960, it was discovered that the monkey kidney cells used to make the Salk polio vaccine could cause cancer. Americans were not told about this, and between 1955 and 1963, nearly 100 million children were given this contaminated vaccine. Although the cells were removed from polio vaccines in 1963, scientists around the world continue to identify them in human brain, bone and lung cancers of children and adults.

8. Leading up to the Gulf War, a young girl identified simply as “Nayirah” testified before the Congressional Human Rights Caucus in 1990. She told stories about the treatment of the Kuwaitis by the invading Iraqis, which horrified members of Congress and many Americans. Although many people did die following Iraq’s invasion, her testimony was made up. She was actually the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S., and her testimony was set up as part of a public relations campaign called Citizens for a Free Kuwait, run by a Hill & Knowlton, a public relations firm.

9. For decades, it was believed that Hitler took his own life after World War II ended. Unsurprisingly, there were also many who believed that it was a setup and that he had actually sneaked away. Supposedly, Hitler’s skull was in the custody of the Russian government. In 2009, tests were finally performed on the skull. The shocking results revealed that the skull was actually that of a young woman. Ironically, the tests were done to lessen the credibility of the conspiracy theorists who believed he had gone into hiding.

Of those things you nominate, only the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theory has even a shadow of a chance of being remotely possible, and that's quite sketchy.

Alpha, pay attention to these words (in the following screenshot) which one guy had left below my video JFK ASSASSINATION - THE FINAL TRUTH - part 1 : :

I can't believe how many CIA agents and shills have left their deceptive - misinforming comments below this video in last few weeks...However i am diligent in deleting such comments after taking screenshot of every each of them (and i can present to you dear Alpha, every each of them, also)...Keep them coming...any such comment will be deleted as well... :)



CIA Document #1035-960: Using politicians and the media to counter criticism of the Warren Report — This document, dated Jan. 4, 1967, and marked PSYCH for Psychological Warfare, directs agents of the CIA to counter critics of the Warren Report by using "liaison and friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors)" and "to employ propaganda assets to answer and refute the attacks of the critics."

House Select Committee on Assassinations final report: A conspiracy behind JFK's assassination? — In 1975, investigations by the Rockefeller Commission and the Church Committee revealed the CIA had abused its power by engaging in illegal investigations and activities. As a follow-up, the HSCA was created to investigate the assassinations of JFK and MLK. The HSCA issued its findings in 1979, stating, "The committee believes, on the basis of evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy." The committee recommended to the Justice Department that the case be reopened. To date, the department has declined to do so.

If Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy, I own and am selling the Brooklyn Bridge for the modest price of $19.95.........Returns not accepted.

I recall one occasion when Donald Trump (very well knowing that he blatantly lies) put the blame for 9/11 on Osama Bin Laden... It seems as if you are not allowed to live and work in USA unless you swear on 9/11 official interpretation (which became some kind of a satanic holly grail before which everyone have to kneel and worship it), isn't that so?

Wrong again. I live and work in the USA. 9/11 conspiracists were thick on the ground for years, and I worked with a few. Many seem to have moved on to different things to be entertained by or feel threatened by now, maybe because they got bored, or maybe they realized they would rather hate Muslims, and doubting that Muslims pulled off 9/11 was counterproductive to that. Whatever the reason, not as many are quite so noisy about it any more.

Since you live and work in the USA then you should really watch this video :




Ignorant folk think that such minority opinions as geocentric theory (which is true description of our reality) are the "conspiracy theories" . . .

No, you have that backwards. It's an ignorant minority that think heliocentric theory (which is true description of our reality) is being pushed by a mysterious conspiracy. Rational people think minority opinions like geocentric theorists are merely ignorant, not conspirators; most people who really believe in geocentrism are pretty vocal about it - exactly the opposite of a conspiracy, unless they are secretly heliocentrists trying to look so ignorant that they give geocentrism a bad name. But that makes no sense, because there would be no point since you just have heliocentrists, and heliocentrists that pretend to be geocentrists, so what's the point?

The point is that you have no valid (EXPERIMENTAL) proof in favor of heliocentricity...and on the other hand you have enormous amount of EXPERIMENTAL proofs in favor of geocentricity...

Here is one other very important SMOKING GUN :



And last, but not least : See how youtube (which is a notable terrorist organization) is constantly trying to hush up my channel :



This is just one step before shutting down my channel...

And my crime is?

This is what really lies behind my "crime" :

https://i.postimg.cc/MHNbLM2k/my-crime.jpg
« Last Edit: May 15, 2019, 05:50:44 AM by cikljamas »

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #356 on: May 15, 2019, 11:22:55 AM »
NASA is lying almost about everything and the earth is round. Flat-earth stupidity revival was orchestrated by NASA guys. They carefully organized it in a way that was going to produce the result that they wanted : whenever someone mention something about NASA fraudulent missions, or about the heliocentric hoax (which is a grandaddy of all deceptions in today's world) or about "evolution theory" hoax, or about Big-Bang idiocy, or about 9/11 inside job, or about NWO agenda, or about Kennedy assassination (which was an inside job, also), etc..., they instantly pull out their ace "flat earth stupidity" saying : you see there is no essential difference between these guys and those who believe that the earth is flat (they instantly assign flat-earth label to all of them, in order to discredit every voice of reason in today's fucked up world)...
The Conspiracy Theory Channel? No, thanks.
For proof, grab your tin-foil hat and read on, because here we’ve gathered some of the wildest conspiracy theories that have turned out to be 100 percent rooted in fact.

<list of things cikljamas might not like, but many of them not conspiracies, and only one even slightly related to NASA>

Of those things you nominate, only the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theory has even a shadow of a chance of being remotely possible, and that's quite sketchy.

Alpha, pay attention to these words (in the following screenshot) which one guy had left below my video JFK ASSASSINATION - THE FINAL TRUTH - part 1 : <youtube video> :

I can't believe how many CIA agents and shills have left their deceptive - misinforming comments below this video in last few weeks...However i am diligent in deleting such comments after taking screenshot of every each of them (and i can present to you dear Alpha, every each of them, also)...Keep them coming...any such comment will be deleted as well... :)

<image containing comments about a conspiracy theory video>

Assuming you can base a meaningful argument on comments about conspiracy theory videos is certainly fanciful. The people commenting about those are often even loonier than the authors of the conspiracy-theory video itself, and those authors are plenty loony to start with.

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If Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy, I own and am selling the Brooklyn Bridge for the modest price of $19.95.........Returns not accepted.

Best of luck with your real estate business.

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Since you live and work in the USA then you should really watch this video :

Tell me what it purports to show and how long it is if you want me to watch it.

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Ignorant folk think that such minority opinions as geocentric theory (which is true description of our reality) are the "conspiracy theories" . . .

No, you have that backwards. It's an ignorant minority that think heliocentric theory (which is true description of our reality) is being pushed by a mysterious conspiracy. Rational people think minority opinions like geocentric theorists are merely ignorant, not conspirators; most people who really believe in geocentrism are pretty vocal about it - exactly the opposite of a conspiracy, unless they are secretly heliocentrists trying to look so ignorant that they give geocentrism a bad name. But that makes no sense, because there would be no point since you just have heliocentrists, and heliocentrists that pretend to be geocentrists, so what's the point?

The point is that you have no valid (EXPERIMENTAL) proof in favor of heliocentricity...

I've never said otherwise. "Proof" is not possible.

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and on the other hand you have enormous amount of EXPERIMENTAL proofs in favor of geocentricity...

Nope. Again, proof is not possible. Some experimental results can be considered evidence, but if evidence, it's ambiguous since it can't distinguish between either model. Some experimental data, however, is counterindicative of a nonrotating earth, but it still cannot distinguish between a fixed earth with the universe rotating around it once a year, or an earth orbiting about the solar-system barycenter once a year. Even if you deny there is any factual evidence that supports the latter, there is still the major downside to the geocentric solar system model, even with a rotating earth, that a different set of physical laws would have to apply to earth as everything else. With an orbiting earth, the physical laws all apply the same way to earth and everything else, which makes a much simpler model, which makes it most likely, based on Occam's Razor. If you insist that the universe rotates around the earth daily, in addition to all the other geocentric problems you make your model vastly more complicated and, thus, vastly less appealing.

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Here is one other very important SMOKING GUN :

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Tell me what that video purports to show and how long it is if you want me to watch it.

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And last, but not least : See how youtube (which is a notable terrorist organization) is constantly trying to hush up my channel :

Why are you consorting with "a notable terrorist organization"? Are you a terrorist?
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #357 on: May 15, 2019, 02:07:53 PM »
<more pathetic spam>
Why come back and revive your thread, just to spam a bunch more?

Remember, the point of these discussion boards is to discuss if Earth is flat, not a bunch of other conspiracies, and the topic of this thread was meant to be your misfiring gun with your false claims about the rotation rate of Earth and the length of the various days.

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Stash

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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #358 on: May 15, 2019, 07:15:33 PM »
This is just one step before shutting down my channel...

And my crime is?

This is what really lies behind my "crime" :

https://i.postimg.cc/MHNbLM2k/my-crime.jpg

Your crime is:

A) You are a plagiarist who rarely cites your sources.
B) YT is under no obligation to provide you a platform for any of your notions, they are a business. They simply want content to attract eyeballs to sell ads and can choose to allow content any way they see fit. Your garbage apparently does not fit their business model.
C) 12 pages of promoting your YT channel here, all forms of conspiracy theory and zero geocentric 'smoking gun' evidence.

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rabinoz

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Re: SMOKING GUN
« Reply #359 on: May 16, 2019, 12:53:13 AM »
<< None of your material here is relevant to the question of the Heliocentric vs Geocentric Solar System! >>

The point is that you have no valid (EXPERIMENTAL) proof in favor of heliocentricity...and on the other hand you have enormous amount of EXPERIMENTAL proofs in favor of geocentricity...

That is completely incorrect.
You have been presented with much experimental evidence that demonstrates that the earth rotates but you just ignore it or claim that "it's the aether rotating" - but that's no more than a hypothesis.
Though you might tell us how rotating aether explains effects like the Coriolis and Eötvös.

Besides, the thousands of geostationary satellites in orbit would be completely impossible and most of those have nothing to do with NASA ;D.

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Here is one other very important SMOKING GUN :


That video, on the "Destruction of Modern Cosmology" is again totally irrelevant to the question of the Heliocentric vs Geocentric Solar System!

It is only relevant to Modern Cosmology.
But it has nothing to do with the truth or otherwise of the Heliocentric Solar System resulting from the work of Copernicus, Tycho Brahe, Kepler, Newton and the many astronomers up until the early 1900s.
I won't even waste time going "reviewing it".
Other than to point the total ignorance behind the claims made about the sun, where they ignore radiation products from the sun and the pure hypothesis that the sun is merely a "transformer" ;D.

But, so what?
What has anything in that video relevant to the simple question of the Heliocentric vs Geocentric Solar System?

Quote from: cikljamas
And last, but not least: See how youtube (which is a notable terrorist organization) is constantly trying to hush up my channel :

https://i.postimg.cc/bJMzSpfY/YOUTUBE-TERORISM-4-xxx.jpg
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Garbage! In what way are you being singled out? YouTube isn't there to provide a platform for your views.

This is just one step before shutting down my channel...

And my crime is?

This is what really lies behind my "crime" :

https://i.postimg.cc/MHNbLM2k/my-crime.jpg
It seems that you breached YouTube's policy on "violent or graphic content" and "hate speech".
If you posted on YouTube you automatically  accepted their Terms of Service!
And these  include their Policies and Safety so read:
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But note that YouTube could not care less about your views just their own profits so go cry somewhere else . . . .