Firearm rights

It's like saying car keys should be locked in a safe to keep them away from children.

People treat guns as something scary and dangerous.
A pot of boiling water is scary and dangerous.
The cabinet under the sink is scary and dangerous.

If you are afraid of firearms, don't have any. Your choice.

It's not about being afraid of firearms so don't have any. It's about being around the potential of the consequences of people owning firearms and the real potential of them being used on a whim.

Let's make this simpler.
If People of London were suddenly told they can buy a gun to protect themselves...before long the city of London would be like the O.K. Corral on many occasions with gangsters openly shooting up and innocents panic defending themselves.


Look at the knife crime. More knife crime and more people carrying to protect themselves, resulting in more knife crime.

I don't know how the laws work in American cities and towns that allow open gun carrying or concealed carrying but it seems like a jail sentence waiting to happen for an innocent, never mind a would be felon.

Like I said earlier. In some places it may be accepted without much ado.
You appear to have been brought up with guns, so I can see your point on them.

I haven't been brought up with guns or in the immediate known vicinity of them, except the odd rogue person who may go into frenzy mode every few years or so in the region.

At the end of the day if your rights are getting taken away with how you own a gun then soon enough it's going to be too risky actually doing so.

I'm all for having rights but there has to be a limit on weapons for the masses.

In the US, the least likely places to get shot are the ones where people are likely to have a firearm.  Coincidence?

Bullshit!

As you again didn’t remove your blinkers long enough to read, I’ll put it again.

researchers at Boston Children's Hospital and Harvard University reported that firearm assaults were 6.8 times more common in the states with the most guns versus those with the least.

I always have a knife on me, and it is legal, yet, there are pretty much no knife crimes in my county.  There is a shooting every now and then, but I don't think those people had legal firearms to begin with, much less were legal to be in the country. 

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 05:01:27 AM

In the US, the least likely places to get shot are the ones where people are likely to have a firearm.  Coincidence?

Bullshit!

As you again didn’t remove your blinkers long enough to read, I’ll put it again.

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researchers at Boston Children's Hospital and Harvard University reported that firearm assaults were 6.8 times more common in the states with the most guns versus those with the least.

I can cherry pick data and show how states with firearms are much more safe than ones without.  We could do this all day, depending on the way you interpret data. 

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Quote from: sceptimatic on March 21, 2019, 04:47:19 AM

Quote from: sokarul on March 21, 2019, 03:41:58 AM

A North Korean Brit talking about guns.

Nice.

Maybe you need to learn a few things. Jimmythecrab may be able to help you, because you are definitely switched off.

I do agree you could never teach me anything.

Please don't do this shit in this serious thread.  We are trying to have a discussion.

Ok dude.

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 05:05:11 AM

Quote from: sokarul on March 21, 2019, 05:01:42 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 21, 2019, 04:47:19 AM

Quote from: sokarul on March 21, 2019, 03:41:58 AM

A North Korean Brit talking about guns.

Nice.

Maybe you need to learn a few things. Jimmythecrab may be able to help you, because you are definitely switched off.

I do agree you could never teach me anything.

Please don't do this shit in this serious thread.  We are trying to have a discussion.

Ok dude.

Thanks. 

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on March 21, 2019, 05:07:25 AM

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 05:01:27 AM

In the US, the least likely places to get shot are the ones where people are likely to have a firearm.  Coincidence?

Bullshit!

As you again didn’t remove your blinkers long enough to read, I’ll put it again.

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researchers at Boston Children's Hospital and Harvard University reported that firearm assaults were 6.8 times more common in the states with the most guns versus those with the least.

I can cherry pick data and show how states with firearms are much more safe than ones without.  We could do this all day, depending on the way you interpret data.

I have no doubt that you love your kids Son-Of, as I have no doubt that you have bought into this NRA bullshit about more guns is a safer world, for the best of reasons.

But it doesn’t stack up, look at the deaths by gun rate for Westernised countries for yourself.

And when it comes to cherry-picking, when the research into gun crime in the 80’s & 90’s started to go against the reasoning you (NRA) espouse, the gun lobby (the makers and sellers) ploughed millions into getting a law mandating the CDC so that none of its funding could be used to advocate or promote gun control, effectively stopping any further research, why would they do that if they had your best interests at heart rather than scaring you into buying more of their people killers with the tag-line “but what about the children?”
They don’t give a fuck.

What’s the biggest killer of children?

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 05:11:39 AM

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on March 21, 2019, 05:07:25 AM

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 05:01:27 AM

In the US, the least likely places to get shot are the ones where people are likely to have a firearm.  Coincidence?

Bullshit!

As you again didn’t remove your blinkers long enough to read, I’ll put it again.

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researchers at Boston Children's Hospital and Harvard University reported that firearm assaults were 6.8 times more common in the states with the most guns versus those with the least.

I can cherry pick data and show how states with firearms are much more safe than ones without.  We could do this all day, depending on the way you interpret data.

I have no doubt that you love your kids Son-Of, as I have no doubt that you have bought into this NRA bullshit about more guns is a safer world, for the best of reasons.

But it doesn’t stack up, look at the deaths by gun rate for Westernised countries for yourself.

And when it comes to cherry-picking, when the research into gun crime in the 80’s & 90’s started to go against the reasoning you (NRA) espouse, the gun lobby (the makers and sellers) ploughed millions into getting a law mandating the CDC so that none of its funding could be used to advocate or promote gun control, effectively stopping any further research, why would they do that if they had your best interests at heart rather than scaring you into buying more of their people killers with the tag-line “but what about the children?”
They don’t give a fuck.

Rights don't have feelings, and couldn't care less about whining liberal crap.  People where I live walk into Walmart with a pistol on their hips, and guess what... no Walmart shootings here.  I often open carry when I go shopping.  Not always, but often.  If I am not open carrying, I am concealed carrying, so people don't know I have a weapon, but the thought of myself and others possibly having a firearm surely makes the bad guys think twice. 

If you've got a fucking point sokarul, make it or fuck off.


Osp'
Also when cherry picking would you think it best to take your data from say a children’s hospital, you know a place dedicated to the safety of the kids, or a lobby group for the firms that make the weapons that are killing the kids?

Rights don't have feelings, and couldn't care less about whining liberal crap.  People where I live walk into Walmart with a pistol on their hips, and guess what... no Walmart shootings here.  I often open carry when I go shopping.  Not always, but often.  If I am not open carrying, I am concealed carrying, so people don't know I have a weapon, but the thought of myself and others possibly having a firearm surely makes the bad guys think twice.

I wouldn't be seen dead in Walmart, but hey I walk into shops all the time and no-one is carrying a gun and guess what...........no shootings either, so no point made.

If you've got a fucking point sokarul, make it or fuck off.


Osp'
Also when cherry picking would you think it best to take your data from say a children’s hospital, you know a place dedicated to the safety of the kids, or a lobby group for the firms that make the weapons that are killing the kids?

Yeah, I am sure that a children's hospital has nothing better to do than research firearms rather than, I don't know, like, treat kids with cancer and other mundane stuff. 

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 05:41:24 AM

Rights don't have feelings, and couldn't care less about whining liberal crap.  People where I live walk into Walmart with a pistol on their hips, and guess what... no Walmart shootings here.  I often open carry when I go shopping.  Not always, but often.  If I am not open carrying, I am concealed carrying, so people don't know I have a weapon, but the thought of myself and others possibly having a firearm surely makes the bad guys think twice.

I wouldn't be seen dead in Walmart, but hey I walk into shops all the time and no-one is carrying a gun and guess what...........no shootings either, so no point made.

The facts of the matter are that nearly all mass shootings are done in a place where you are not allowed to have a firearm, whether it is here in the US, in NZ, or the EU.  Also, Walmart is a great place to buy beer and eggs and stuff.  They suck now for their firearms and ammo, but, every once in a while, they have a great deal on a shotgun or longrifle. 

So, you are not safer with a gun, and if you have kids they are in more danger if you possess them, and nobody fears Wyatt Bulwinkle and his swagger.

Same thing can be said of baseball bats.
If you are afraid of a tool, don't buy one.

Quote from: Junker on March 20, 2019, 08:14:17 AM

and stopped requiring handgun registrations altogether.

Where the fuck was that?!?!

Pretty much everywhere in the US after the Brady Bill expired in 2004. 

Have a great day, pussy.

Nice.

>tfw your argument is "I have a gun and I haven't been shot, that means more guns = better"

>tfw your argument is "I have a gun and I haven't been shot, that means more guns = better"

My argument is actually, "If you want to shoot at me, I have a weapon and will fire back."

Quote from: BatteryStaple on March 21, 2019, 07:03:50 AM

>tfw your argument is "I have a gun and I haven't been shot, that means more guns = better"

My argument is actually, "If you want to shoot at me, I have a weapon and will fire back."

*shrug* great.

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 07:07:33 AM

Quote from: BatteryStaple on March 21, 2019, 07:03:50 AM

>tfw your argument is "I have a gun and I haven't been shot, that means more guns = better"

My argument is actually, "If you want to shoot at me, I have a weapon and will fire back."

*shrug* great.

If someone was shooting at you, and you did not live in a socialist country where you were actually allowed to defend yourself, would you not shoot back? 

Fun activity: find conservative Facebook groups and post photos of Reagan with Marx's quotes about guns and photos of Marx with Reagan's quotes on guns and watch.

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on March 21, 2019, 05:46:10 AM

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 05:41:24 AM

Rights don't have feelings, and couldn't care less about whining liberal crap.  People where I live walk into Walmart with a pistol on their hips, and guess what... no Walmart shootings here. having a firearm surely makes the bad guys think twice.

I wouldn't be seen dead in Walmart, but hey I walk into shops all the time and no-one is carrying a gun and guess what...........no shootings either, so no point made.

The facts of the matter are that nearly all mass shootings are done in a place where you are not allowed to have a firearm, whether it is here in the US, in NZ, or the EU.  Also, Walmart is a great place to buy beer and eggs and stuff.  They suck now for their firearms and ammo, but, every once in a while, they have a great deal on a shotgun or longrifle.

Let's fix that.
The facts of the matter are that nearly all mass shootings are done in the US, where there are lots of guns.

The fact that the gunman will pick a target that is unarmed is people who want to cause max damage before they are stopped, you would have the whole of that NZ mosque armed and the school teachers at a small Scottish school (Dunblane) tooled up too, in your world they wouldn’t happen for fear of meeting you or Bully, but the Las Vegas sniper has made your argument redundant as he would have picked you off as easily as the other 58, so again what is the point of everybody carrying guns.

Gun control works, after 16 primary school children and teacher were shot by a guy with legally held handguns in 1996 (UK), they were outlawed, the next mass killing involving guns was 14 years later, when a nutter with .22 rifle and 12 gauge killed 12 in Cumbria, 14 years!

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 08:57:32 PM

Have a great day, pussy.

Nice.

No, it wasn't.  I'm sorry.

I am actually not opposed to teachers carrying.  The kids around here have adults all around them who are carrying weapons, and yet, they are perfectly safe to walk around the grocery store without those "guns" shooting them.  Why would a supposed intellectual not be allowed to defend themselves, their students, and anyone else?  They are entrusted with young people, yet they can not be entrusted with a firearm? 

Oh FFS! You really aren’t getting this are you?

Your (NRA’s) whole premise is fucked, you are so wrong about what more guns added to the mix would do it is laughable, the people who sell you guns have sold you a lie and you have bought them both wholesale.

14 years!

Quote from: Junker on March 21, 2019, 06:47:57 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 08:57:32 PM

Have a great day, pussy.

Nice.

No, it wasn't.  I'm sorry.

It's all good man. I have yet to see a topic on firearms that doesn't get heated.

Let us look at this issue anecdotally.  I live in a place where people carry firearms to Walmart, and many other stores.  We don't have store shootings here.  Other places do not allow people to carry firearms and they get mass shootings.  I know that correlation does not equal causation, but at the least you can admit that more shootings are conducted at places where other people do not have firearms, right? 

I live in a place where people carry firearms to Walmart, and many other stores.  We don't have store shootings here.  Other places do not allow people to carry firearms and they get mass shootings.

Nice one. You have more mass shootings than anyone else.

I would propose that every teacher in the US be trained with and issued a single stack .380 (9X17mm) at the least.  They should have some kind of background and mental check, and if they can't pass that, then they should not be teachers in the first place.  I would not want someone who is not capable of owning, handling, or carrying a firearm in charge of my kids. 

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 08:03:48 AM

I live in a place where people carry firearms to Walmart, and many other stores.  We don't have store shootings here.  Other places do not allow people to carry firearms and they get mass shootings.

Nice one. You have more mass shootings than anyone else.

What is your proposal to keep these bad guys from shooting the good guys?