Newbie......Behind the Curve ?

Hi all

I just joined after watching Behind the Curve, which I thought would answer some questions but just seemed to give me more.

Was this a factual documentary or a 'mockumentary'? It was presented in the style of a documentary but came across as proof that FllatEarthers are wrong and are simply a bunch of like minded insular people, nothing more. Even the so called experiments that 'proved' the Earth is flat were a failure. Even then, the results were bent and shaped to conform to the notion that the Earth is flat. The last experiment in the 'documentary' involving some sticks in a canal was just a joke....wasn't it?

I'm open minded but really? So much evidence to prove the Earth is a globe and so little to prove otherwise.

I suppose the biggest question I have is.....why does it matter if the Earth is round or flat?

Welcome, MS

Take a while to explore the site.
There is no one word answer.

Hi bullwinkle

A very cryptic reply.
I have spent some time looking through the site before joining and am none the wiser.

Have you finished your education MS?  If so, was it by any chance in the US? I'm just asking for research purposes.

Hi bullwinkle

A very cryptic reply.
I have spent some time looking through the site before joining and am none the wiser.

Some folks want fast Fourier transform explained in 27 words or less.
 

Hi Jura-Glenlivet II, I finished my formal education in 1983, but always learning.
I'm not in the US, I'm in the UK but have noticed a distinct biase towards the US when it comes to the amount of Flat Earth believers. Is it a particularly American thing?

Quote from: MS on March 20, 2019, 05:25:15 AM

Hi bullwinkle

A very cryptic reply.
I have spent some time looking through the site before joining and am none the wiser.

Some folks want fast Fourier transform explained in 27 words or less.

A simple " Yes it's flat and here's the proof " would suffice. It's easy to 'prove' that the Earth is a globe, so how about something other than complicated theories and unproven claims to show otherwise is all I'm, saying.

In the 'documetary', Mark Sargent looked to the horizon and said " Look, there's Seattle" to prove the Earth was flat. If he had moved closer to Seattle, he would have then been able to see a different horizon, he could then move on again to another horizon and so on. Is that due to the curvature of the Earth or is it atmospheric perspective?

Hi all

I just joined after watching Behind the Curve, which I thought would answer some questions but just seemed to give me more.

Was this a factual documentary or a 'mockumentary'? It was presented in the style of a documentary but came across as proof that FllatEarthers are wrong and are simply a bunch of like minded insular people, nothing more. Even the so called experiments that 'proved' the Earth is flat were a failure. Even then, the results were bent and shaped to conform to the notion that the Earth is flat. The last experiment in the 'documentary' involving some sticks in a canal was just a joke....wasn't it?

I'm open minded but really? So much evidence to prove the Earth is a globe and so little to prove otherwise.

I suppose the biggest question I have is.....why does it matter if the Earth is round or flat?

no its not a mockumentary. i thought they did a really good job of trying to leave anything mocking those flat earthers out of it by the professionals they had speaking on it. Its just the way those flat earthers are. go watch any of the videos those flat earthers do on youtube and youll see. The more they talk the crazier they sound.

I didn't mean FlatEarthers were being mocked, more that it was a fake documentary, made to send up the whole situation. Like Spinal Tap.

Are you telling me that those people, whether FlatEarthers and scientific professionals, were real?

I didn't mean FlatEarthers were being mocked, more that it was a fake documentary, made to send up the whole situation. Like Spinal Tap.

Are you telling me that those people, whether FlatEarthers and scientific professionals, were real?

yeah the flat earthers and professionals were real. Mark Sargeant, Bob Knodel, Jeranism (i think is his youtube channel name) bloke all prominent flat earthers with youtube channels. for example https://fe2018.com/speakers/bob-knodel/

Its funny how after it came out they all called it a hit piece likely because they didnt like how they sound but they sound like that all day everyday. in my opinion that would help people to understand where flat earthers are coming from mentally and not exclude them that much.

They all say theyve lost friends family etc over believing in flat earth which i find to be extremely doubtful just believing in it. I think they lost those people because they wouldnt shut up about it boring them to death. Its like with anything one of my friends loves trains and planes and that goes to airshows, goes on train rides on old trains and he'll tell me about where hes been and what he's done but he knows i dont care about that stuff so he limits what he tells me. same with me, i dont bore him with stuff ive done that he doesnt care about. I have a feeling they pushed people away by constantly talking about it to people that arent interested at all. to most people earth could be round, flat, rectangular changing the fact isnt going to make there debt go away or marital issues or whatever so most people dont care

You will find most Youtube flat earthers are in it for the money. All the famous flat earthers don’t post here as they can’t make money doing it.

There did seem to be a lot of merchandising going on in the documentary.

Is it a particularly American thing?

Unfortunately not, beyond this particular looking glass everything is not always as it seems, you will never get anything nailed down, this is due to conflicting and often contradictory theories.
For many it just just a meeting place and the FE part is peripheral, if you argue for a round earth then have your ducks in order, for many it is an exercise in not just taking what you have been told on faith alone, could you without the pictures from space argue for a round earth without resorting to, well it just is cos' so-and-so said it is?

If you get frustrated, there is always were-penguin. 

There did seem to be a lot of merchandising going on in the documentary.

the documentary wasnt done by flat earthers so they wouldnt have gotten anything from it money wise but yeah i think with the rise in its popularity money is definitely a contributing factor to pushing the flat earth narrative from those people.

I meant the T shirts, the fllat earth models and stuff that seems to proliferate at the meetings.

I meant the T shirts, the fllat earth models and stuff that seems to proliferate at the meetings.

yeah and thats the driving force behind those guys so desperate to spread the word. the more people they get to follow the more people there is to potentially buy stuff.

You will find most Youtube flat earthers are in it for the money. All the famous flat earthers don’t post here as they can’t make money doing it.

They also know what their claims would totally crumble if they subjected them to the scrutiny of their viewers.

It is very hard sometimes to draw a line between mocking and describing. You watch a ridiculous you tube video and there are several human nature responses you have:

You want to set them straight

They say they figured out FE and you were fooled by untrue science classes, so you want to establish your understanding of their proofs are correct and you are intelligent

You suspect they may be trolling you

If you suppress your emotions for a respectful try at explaining, their responses are likely to be evasive

They may refuse to understand RE science, or insist that it is different than you (and 99% of the world) think it is

All in all, the emporer with no clothes insists their subjects pretend that all is reasonable and some major obvious thing is not true.

For example, a FE map is posted. REs immediately start pointing out problems. Any response other than "Oh, you're right! My map is obviously wrong." may cause anger, and you are not likely to get such an admission, you are likely to get evasion of several types.




and you don't know whether to pity the person or be angry. You know one of you is very very wrong, and the person usually says in one way or another, "I am very smart", in fact if he has determined FE and you are still falling for the RE hoax, I guess the poster is really a lot smarter than you.

In addition, evasive responses might make you angry.

It's easy to 'prove' that the Earth is a globe,

Well, have at it, buddy boy.

In the 'documetary', Mark Sargent looked to the horizon and said " Look, there's Seattle"

Who the hell is Mark Sargent?
and wtf is a 'documetary'?


If you want to be taken seriously, you need to up your game.

A typo, my humblest apologies. I really must up my game .....or just wear my glasses.

A typo, my humblest apologies. I really must up my game .....or just wear my glasses.

Welcome MS. To reiterate some of answers you've received, the documentary is authentic, those are actual people and not actors, you can verify that by their YouTube channels,this forum shares little affiliation with you tubers, youtubers are a for profit venture, this forum is all about the discussion/debate/intense flamewars, we are definitely not exclusively flat earthers here.

So have fun.

"why does it matter if the Earth is round or flat?"

>> The world is full of orchestrated deceptions.
The shape of the earth is just a door potentially to reveal and destroy this 'perfect' deceptions.

So far they 'hide' God.

"why does it matter if the Earth is round or flat?"

>> The world is full of orchestrated deceptions.
The shape of the earth is just a door potentially to reveal and destroy this 'perfect' deceptions.

So far they 'hide' God.

So what are you saying danang?  God couldn't create a round earth?

MS, imho, typos in a college paper, contract, law, textbook, etc are very bad. Typos in a post on a FE site, well, I would say the quality of thinking matters a lot, typos not much at all.

Bear in mind that you have been called out for typo by a person who thinks the earth is flat.

I score it: Understands the shape of the earth incorrectly - 10,000 point penalty, typo - 1 point penalty.

Quote from: MS on March 20, 2019, 06:30:44 AM

In the 'documetary', Mark Sargent looked to the horizon and said " Look, there's Seattle"

Who the hell is Mark Sargent?

Ask John Davis who "the hell is Mark Sargent"!

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Forum management is dying! « Message by John Davis on March 08, 2018, 01:42:51 PM »

What do you guys think about a joint effort between us, Iris Taylor, Mark Sargent, and tfes? Together, but argumentative towards one another?

Just brainstorming...

And

Mark Sargent, for one, is a youtube personality and before that a member of these forums and this society.

That Mark Sargent!

Quote from: John Davis on December 17, 2017, 08:29:55 AM

Mark Sargent, for one, is a youtube personality and before that a member of these forums and this society.

That Mark Sargent!

Get out! Sargent was a member here? What was his nom de plume?

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2019, 05:49:10 PM

Quote from: John Davis on December 17, 2017, 08:29:55 AM

Mark Sargent, for one, is a youtube personality and before that a member of these forums and this society.

That Mark Sargent!

Get out! Sargent was a member here? What was his nom de plume?

Ask John Davis. There is this video if you care to watch it:The Flat Earth Society: Interview With Mark Sargent, The Flat Earth Society

But this question asked on Quora.com "Is Mark Sargent of the flat earth society exploiting people for status and financial gain?"

And this was one answer submitted:

Mark Sargent is not of the flat earth society.
The Flat Earth Societ is an insincere parody set up at the expense of flat earth concepts, and which serves to discredit them with their lampoon.

Mark Sargent is a sincere promoter of flat earth and has been articulate and effective. His Clues, and his Expert Interviews are convincing in showing how what we have been told is true about the space program, cannot be true, for instance in examining valves and seals and grounding issues in the ISS.

The hundred of thousands of people who work for NASA or NASA contractors like Boeing or any other such company, or who defends the globe as lecturers in astronomy or Astro-physics, at universities, are paid much more handsomely, even excluding benefits, than Mark Sargent is likely to be making.

Flat earthers are not able to get employment from the globe earth propaganda machine to promote flat earth in order to balance out unquestioning one-sided non-science by raising issues that the propagandists had hoped were deeply buried in obfuscation and by time and power. There are very few individuals, flat earthers included, who are financially able to support themselves doing unfunded research.

So, go figure! But read: Joseph Nazzaro, PhD Philosophy and Psychology, University of Wales.

Quote from: Danang on March 20, 2019, 03:03:40 PM

"why does it matter if the Earth is round or flat?"

>> The world is full of orchestrated deceptions.
The shape of the earth is just a door potentially to reveal and destroy this 'perfect' deceptions.

So far they 'hide' God.

So what are you saying danang?  God couldn't create a round earth?

Probably next time - after this flat earth is terminated - God will create round earths. A heavenly new round earth is given to everyone, each one gets one round earth.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on March 20, 2019, 03:05:01 PM

Quote from: Danang on March 20, 2019, 03:03:40 PM

"why does it matter if the Earth is round or flat?"

>> The world is full of orchestrated deceptions.
The shape of the earth is just a door potentially to reveal and destroy this 'perfect' deceptions.

So far they 'hide' God.

So what are you saying danang?  God couldn't create a round earth?

Probably next time - after this flat earth is terminated - God will create round earths. A heavenly new round earth is given to everyone, each one gets one round earth.

so your saying flat earth isnt round yet every map you produce is round. so which is it?

Psionicinversion says:
"so your saying flat earth isnt round yet every map you produce is round. so which is it?"

>> Flat earth is flat earth, not round. This flat earth and everything in the sky will be destroyed someday.
Afterwards there will be countless round earths along with its skies.