Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, kills 40

Quote from: Shifter on March 15, 2019, 02:58:14 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on March 15, 2019, 11:13:56 AM

Wasn't he on 8chan? I think there is also a torrent of the shooting somewhere.

Yeah but JerkFace wanted to take a dig at disputeone

Actually d1 said he doesn't use 4chan and prefers some other chan, which I think was 8chan. A lot of the stuff mentioned in the manifesto was very similar to what d1 said tbh, but with less Jews generally.

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I don't think there will be any justice though. He acted in a country that is soft on its crime for a reason. This guy will live out the remainder of his life in a relatively comfortable jail protected by his "rights"

Nah, the guy didn't really care about dying or being arrested. He said that he originally went to NZ to train, or get equipment, or something like that (don't remember exactly) but he realised there were plenty of "intruders" there as well, and he also thought that it would be better because no one expected anything like that to happen there, and it would make people think that no place is safe and that "intruders" are everywhere, so he stayed.

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The media needs to stop posting his rubbish 'manifesto'

The media is not posting his manifesto, I had to go to 4chan to find it.

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and stop posting shit about this guys life. Stop posting his name and for gods sake, don't make yet another movie about this real life atrocity.

No, people have to be aware of what leads to these actions.

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f the guy was after notoriety, then do not grant it.

He specifically said he doesn't care about notoriety and expects he will be forgotten in a few years anyways. That was not the main point of his attack.

The media here keeps posting excerpts of his manifesto. His face, his name etc. They should stop. Not in a 'censored' way but in a dismissive way. The guys name is not worth a shit.

Refreshing to see the media call him a terrorist though and lump him with the other shit bags this guy professes to hate.

The media here keeps posting excerpts of his manifesto.

Yeah, they're posting small excerpts, but it's hard to find the whole thing on the Internet.

His face, his name etc. They should stop.

There's like 0 reason to stop. What would it change? As I said, it's better if people know. Knowing makes you understand the issues that lead to people doing things like this. Not knowing is. Not publishing this information leads to only the chan assholes talking about it.

Do these white nationalist dudes not know that they are the intruders?

I'm guessing they have gun laws similar to Australia.  But that's poorly informed speculation on my part.  I doubt strong gun laws would have done much here.  These were extremely determined terrorists.  Gun laws are more effective towards casual and poorly motivated terrorists.

This goes to show a nut that wants a gun will figure out a way to get one. That is why we should all be allowed and encouraged to open carry a gun with the proper training courses.

No one will do this if they know it is a high possibility to die before shooting one person.

The media here keeps posting excerpts of his manifesto. His face, his name etc. They should stop. Not in a 'censored' way but in a dismissive way. The guys name is not worth a shit.

Refreshing to see the media call him a terrorist though and lump him with the other shit bags this guy professes to hate.

Absolutely...I hate when they give these poor excuses of humans any voice. I don't give a fuck anything this fuck has to say...

As to your other post, he shouldn't be given the death penalty. He should be put in a public square and anyone who was effected should be allowed to whip him. Just for a day...then dropped in the middle of the ocean to let drown. Knowing every stroke he takes is closer and closer to his death...then finally, when he runs out of energy, taking that last breath of only water....knowing no one is coming for you and absolutely NO ONE cares.

Quote from: Crouton on March 15, 2019, 06:35:43 AM

I'm guessing they have gun laws similar to Australia.  But that's poorly informed speculation on my part.  I doubt strong gun laws would have done much here.  These were extremely determined terrorists.  Gun laws are more effective towards casual and poorly motivated terrorists.

This goes to show a nut that wants a gun will figure out a way to get one.

I'm not sure what the laws there are like, but he got the guns legally.

No one will do this if they know it is a high possibility to die before shooting one person.

I mean, even in the US usually they're not stopped before they shoot at least some people, even when they are eventually stopped by civilians...

Absolutely...I hate when they give these poor excuses of humans any voice. I don't give a fuck anything this fuck has to say...

Then this stuff will keep happening and you'll be wondering why it is happening.

Quote from: Chicken Fried Clucker on March 15, 2019, 03:53:59 PM

Quote from: Crouton on March 15, 2019, 06:35:43 AM

I'm guessing they have gun laws similar to Australia.  But that's poorly informed speculation on my part.  I doubt strong gun laws would have done much here.  These were extremely determined terrorists.  Gun laws are more effective towards casual and poorly motivated terrorists.

This goes to show a nut that wants a gun will figure out a way to get one.

I'm not sure what the laws there are like, but he got the guns legally.

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No one will do this if they know it is a high possibility to die before shooting one person.

I mean, even in the US usually they're not stopped before they shoot at least some people, even when they are eventually stopped by civilians...

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Absolutely...I hate when they give these poor excuses of humans any voice. I don't give a fuck anything this fuck has to say...

Then this stuff will keep happening and you'll be wondering why it is happening.

In areas where people carry guns in a high dilution, yes they are. Military cases for example, the only place shootings have happened is in areas that did not allow weapons.

Other cases the person was stopped after a couple shots or shooting one person when they would have shot way way more. If the majority of people carried guns openly, it would all but stop this shit.

Also, all they should say is the guy was a white supremacist and then that's it. One blurb, give him nothing else.

Quote from: Crouton on March 15, 2019, 06:35:43 AM

I'm guessing they have gun laws similar to Australia.  But that's poorly informed speculation on my part.  I doubt strong gun laws would have done much here.  These were extremely determined terrorists.  Gun laws are more effective towards casual and poorly motivated terrorists.

This goes to show a nut that wants a gun will figure out a way to get one. That is why we should all be allowed and encouraged to open carry a gun with the proper training courses.

No one will do this if they know it is a high possibility to die before shooting one person.

I disagree with this.  We use laws in general to deter criminals.  They're effective because overcoming them takes determination and intelligence.  Most criminals tend to be lazy and stupid.

Also, I seriously doubt you would ever reach a state of combat readiness that the instant someone draws a gun they get shot.  Stoneman Douglas had armed guards.  Didn't help at all.  At the Mandalay bay massacre, if you armed every single person in the crowd it would have done exactly nothing.

Quote from: Chicken Fried Clucker on March 15, 2019, 03:53:59 PM

Quote from: Crouton on March 15, 2019, 06:35:43 AM

I'm guessing they have gun laws similar to Australia.  But that's poorly informed speculation on my part.  I doubt strong gun laws would have done much here.  These were extremely determined terrorists.  Gun laws are more effective towards casual and poorly motivated terrorists.

This goes to show a nut that wants a gun will figure out a way to get one. That is why we should all be allowed and encouraged to open carry a gun with the proper training courses.

No one will do this if they know it is a high possibility to die before shooting one person.

I disagree with this.  We use laws in general to deter criminals.  They're effective because overcoming them takes determination and intelligence.  Most criminals tend to be lazy and stupid.

Also, I seriously doubt you would ever reach a state of combat readiness that the instant someone draws a gun they get shot.  Stoneman Douglas had armed guards.  Didn't help at all.  At the Mandalay bay massacre, if you armed every single person in the crowd it would have done exactly nothing.

Yes, combat readiness is one thing, however, it is more mental than anything.

Mentally you will not want to draw a gun to shoot someone when everyone around you has pistols on their hip. Subliminally your brain will say no.

Attacker posted 87-page "anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim" manifesto

So far, police have arrested four people in connection with the attack on two Christchurch mosques -- three men and one woman.

Shooter believed to be an "Australian national": TVNZ

TVNZ journalist Anna Burns-Francis told CNN at least one of the shooters is believed to be an Australian national.



https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/new-zealand-christchurch-shooting-intl/index.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47578798

I condemn this cruel act against the humanity.

I have to agree 100%. I've not commented so far because it's just too terrible to put into words.
Possibly he was seeking "vengence" for some acts by Islamic extremists in Europe and elsewhere.

But Muslims in general seem as much against these senseless acts by Islamic extremists as anybody else.

If that was his excuse he chose the wrong target and will only bolster more support for the extremists of all persuasions.
In my opinion one of the main objectives if these Islamic extremists is to drive a wedge between moderate Muslims and the rest of society.
And this terrible act in New Zealand by an Australian, I'm ashamed to say, is just going to drive that wedge still deeper.

So, I can do little more than express the deepest sorrow and sympathy to the families and friends of the victims of this tragic event.

Quote from: Shifter on March 15, 2019, 03:29:30 PM

The media here keeps posting excerpts of his manifesto.

Yeah, they're posting small excerpts, but it's hard to find the whole thing on the Internet.

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His face, his name etc. They should stop.

There's like 0 reason to stop. What would it change? As I said, it's better if people know. Knowing makes you understand the issues that lead to people doing things like this. Not knowing is. Not publishing this information leads to only the chan assholes talking about it.

Zero reason to stop? That bastard that killed all those people in Norway has a cult following. The more we post about this piece of shit the more people he snares an audience.

He's not exactly going to say 'Cool I'm on TV! Everyone will remember me! They're even going to make a movie about me!

He knew going into this the MSM would do it, egged on by his 8chan dickwads.

Why you believe giving noteriety to these hideous people escapes me.

Quote from: Crouton on March 15, 2019, 04:56:14 PM

Quote from: Chicken Fried Clucker on March 15, 2019, 03:53:59 PM

Quote from: Crouton on March 15, 2019, 06:35:43 AM

I'm guessing they have gun laws similar to Australia.  But that's poorly informed speculation on my part.  I doubt strong gun laws would have done much here.  These were extremely determined terrorists.  Gun laws are more effective towards casual and poorly motivated terrorists.

This goes to show a nut that wants a gun will figure out a way to get one. That is why we should all be allowed and encouraged to open carry a gun with the proper training courses.

No one will do this if they know it is a high possibility to die before shooting one person.

I disagree with this.  We use laws in general to deter criminals.  They're effective because overcoming them takes determination and intelligence.  Most criminals tend to be lazy and stupid.

Also, I seriously doubt you would ever reach a state of combat readiness that the instant someone draws a gun they get shot.  Stoneman Douglas had armed guards.  Didn't help at all.  At the Mandalay bay massacre, if you armed every single person in the crowd it would have done exactly nothing.

Yes, combat readiness is one thing, however, it is more mental than anything.

Mentally you will not want to draw a gun to shoot someone when everyone around you has pistols on their hip. Subliminally your brain will say no.

FFS,  stop it with the pro gun bullshit.   

The real problem is on-line radicalization.   Youtube and Facebook algorithms pushing people into echo chambers.

I never said that wasn't the problem Rayzor.

I was simply saying people would be very hesitant to try and shoot up a place if there were visible guns everywhere.

I never said that wasn't the problem Rayzor.

I was simply saying people would be very hesitant to try and shoot up a place if there were visible guns everywhere.

Not really, one simply shoots all the people with guns first. That's what soldiers are trained to do. And I'm pretty sure this maniac wasn't hesitant about anything.

There's literally no pro-gun stance amid the senselessness of yet another mass slaying.

In areas where people carry guns in a high dilution, yes they are. Military cases for example, the only place shootings have happened is in areas that did not allow weapons.

Somehow I think it's a really bad and weird idea to militarize everything...

Other cases the person was stopped after a couple shots or shooting one person when they would have shot way way more. If the majority of people carried guns openly, it would all but stop this shit.

Or cause more shit. If it's normalized then someone walking around with a bunch of guns won't raise any eyebrows. Not to mention all the accidents and the people pulling guns out of rage and the potentially deadly false alarms. And in many cases they wouldn't have been able to do anything anyways.

He did say he could have used any other means of killing these people, he chose guns because that would turn attention to the gun controll issue.

Zero reason to stop? That bastard that killed all those people in Norway has a cult following. The more we post about this piece of shit the more people he snares an audience.

The people who would do that ALREADY KNEW. People on 8chan knew this would happen a day ahead, and he had posted all his writings etc.

Quote from: Shifter on March 15, 2019, 09:01:57 PM

Zero reason to stop? That bastard that killed all those people in Norway has a cult following. The more we post about this piece of shit the more people he snares an audience.

The people who would do that ALREADY KNEW. People on 8chan knew this would happen a day ahead, and he had posted all his writings etc.

So what?

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 16, 2019, 03:05:04 AM

Quote from: Shifter on March 15, 2019, 09:01:57 PM

Zero reason to stop? That bastard that killed all those people in Norway has a cult following. The more we post about this piece of shit the more people he snares an audience.

The people who would do that ALREADY KNEW. People on 8chan knew this would happen a day ahead, and he had posted all his writings etc.

So what?

Feelings.

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 16, 2019, 03:05:04 AM

Quote from: Shifter on March 15, 2019, 09:01:57 PM

Zero reason to stop? That bastard that killed all those people in Norway has a cult following. The more we post about this piece of shit the more people he snares an audience.

The people who would do that ALREADY KNEW. People on 8chan knew this would happen a day ahead, and he had posted all his writings etc.

So what?

So, it wouldn't change anything for the people who are responsible for these attacks whether or not the media mentioned anything about him.

Lol did you see the video where Fraser Anning got egged?



I'm wondering if the kid posted the video he took anywhere... Also the people chokeholding him don't seem very normal at all.

Quote from: Shifter on March 16, 2019, 03:17:56 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 16, 2019, 03:05:04 AM

Quote from: Shifter on March 15, 2019, 09:01:57 PM

Zero reason to stop? That bastard that killed all those people in Norway has a cult following. The more we post about this piece of shit the more people he snares an audience.

The people who would do that ALREADY KNEW. People on 8chan knew this would happen a day ahead, and he had posted all his writings etc.

So what?

So, it wouldn't change anything for the people who are responsible for these attacks whether or not the media mentioned anything about him.

Some of these people enjoy the stardom shit like this gives them. The whole world media is talking about this man now. His whole life, corrupt values, and hope for the future is put on display.

I'm not saying what he did should be ignored. But his shit 'manifesto', his past life, the continued use of his name, where he went on frigging holidays etc should be cut. And damn if they make another movie trying to cash in on this.

So a few dickless boy wonders on the 8chan will keep their regressive views. So what? But let's not assistvin making this guy inspirational. Kick this arsehole to the curb.

Better men than you or I have also expressed reservations about how the media treat mass murderers the way we do. Personally I agree with them.

Lol did you see the video where Fraser Anning got egged?



I'm wondering if the kid posted the video he took anywhere... Also the people chokeholding him don't seem very normal at all.

That kid has more friends than that senator. That senator will be tossed aside in a few months. He only got in riding on someone else's party platform and then broke away from them when he had the chance. No one likes him and no one will preference him.

Good riddance I say. I'm pretty sure there are millions more who will be cheering when he gets booted out of the house for good too

Some of these people enjoy the stardom shit like this gives them. The whole world media is talking about this man now. His whole life, corrupt values, and hope for the future is put on display.

His hope for the future is already on display, that's the issue.

I'm not saying what he did should be ignored. But his shit 'manifesto', his past life, the continued use of his name, where he went on frigging holidays etc should be cut.

But it's exactly that which reveals the reason behind the attacks.

So a few dickless boy wonders on the 8chan will keep their regressive views. So what?

So what? They're gonna do another attack in a few months, that's what. This is a movement, and attacks like these are the logical conclusion of that movement.

Quote from: Shifter on March 16, 2019, 03:33:38 AM

Some of these people enjoy the stardom shit like this gives them. The whole world media is talking about this man now. His whole life, corrupt values, and hope for the future is put on display.

His hope for the future is already on display, that's the issue.

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I'm not saying what he did should be ignored. But his shit 'manifesto', his past life, the continued use of his name, where he went on frigging holidays etc should be cut.

But it's exactly that which reveals the reason behind the attacks.

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So a few dickless boy wonders on the 8chan will keep their regressive views. So what?

So what? They're gonna do another attack in a few months, that's what. This is a movement, and attacks like these are the logical conclusion of that movement.

The media (and you) is having a live affair with this terrorist. In doing so you forget about the victims of the atrocity as you dig about for the life of this pathetic piece of shit.

I'm sure the 8chan blow hards are looking and thinking they can be the next Brenton Tarrant. That guy is paraded.

Seriously why do you insist we use his name? Just call him what he is. A hateful terrorist mass murderer. No caption should say his name. Replace 'Brenton Tarrant' with 'Terrorist'

What's the issue you have about that? Why are you focusing on the attacker and not the victims? You're part of the problem and you don't even realise it.

The media (and you) is having a live affair with this terrorist. In doing so you forget about the victims of the atrocity as you dig about for the life of this pathetic piece of shit.

That makes no sense but whatever. They shouldn't focus on his life but they should focus on his ideas.

I'm sure the 8chan blow hards are looking and thinking they can be the next Brenton Tarrant.

Yes, because they were ALREADY DOING THAT.

Seriously why do you insist we use his name? Just call him what he is. A hateful terrorist mass murderer. No caption should say his name. Replace 'Brenton Tarrant' with 'Terrorist'

In his manifesto he was prepared for that, or for people forgetting his name, and he didn't care, because that wasn't what he was trying to do. They could have shown his name, they could have replaced it with whatever, I don't care either way.

What's the issue you have about that? Why are you focusing on the attacker and not the victims?

What does "focusing on the victims" change? How does one focus on the victims anyways?

You're part of the problem and you don't even realise it.

Fuck off. YOU are part of the problem, not me. The time to deplatform and hide these views is BEFORE they spread and these people start killing people. But every time you come out and defend people with these views and sometimes propagate them yourself, don't act like you didn't. And now people start dying and completely coincidentally the people who talked about these things are suddenly very concerned about giving attention to the murderer's views. Just fuck off. Just acknowledge this shit is really fucking dangerous and shut up.

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 16, 2019, 03:46:06 AM

Quote from: Shifter on March 16, 2019, 03:33:38 AM

Some of these people enjoy the stardom shit like this gives them. The whole world media is talking about this man now. His whole life, corrupt values, and hope for the future is put on display.

His hope for the future is already on display, that's the issue.

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I'm not saying what he did should be ignored. But his shit 'manifesto', his past life, the continued use of his name, where he went on frigging holidays etc should be cut.

But it's exactly that which reveals the reason behind the attacks.

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So a few dickless boy wonders on the 8chan will keep their regressive views. So what?

So what? They're gonna do another attack in a few months, that's what. This is a movement, and attacks like these are the logical conclusion of that movement.

The media (and you) is having a live affair with this terrorist. In doing so you forget about the victims of the atrocity as you dig about for the life of this pathetic piece of shit.

I'm sure the 8chan blow hards are looking and thinking they can be the next Brenton Tarrant. That guy is paraded.

Seriously why do you insist we use his name? Just call him what he is. A hateful terrorist mass murderer. No caption should say his name. Replace 'Brenton Tarrant' with 'Terrorist'

What's the issue you have about that? Why are you focusing on the attacker and not the victims? You're part of the problem and you don't even realise it.

So who do you think is the intended audience of the live stream?  It's not intended for mainstream media.  I think it's simply intended to inspire copycats. 

Shifter, Rayzor and pez....come play werepenguin it will be fun, last day to sign up!

Quote from: Shifter on March 16, 2019, 04:00:48 AM

The media (and you) is having a live affair with this terrorist. In doing so you forget about the victims of the atrocity as you dig about for the life of this pathetic piece of shit.

That makes no sense but whatever. They shouldn't focus on his life but they should focus on his ideas.

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I'm sure the 8chan blow hards are looking and thinking they can be the next Brenton Tarrant.

Yes, because they were ALREADY DOING THAT.

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Seriously why do you insist we use his name? Just call him what he is. A hateful terrorist mass murderer. No caption should say his name. Replace 'Brenton Tarrant' with 'Terrorist'

In his manifesto he was prepared for that, or for people forgetting his name, and he didn't care, because that wasn't what he was trying to do. They could have shown his name, they could have replaced it with whatever, I don't care either way.

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What's the issue you have about that? Why are you focusing on the attacker and not the victims?

What does "focusing on the victims" change? How does one focus on the victims anyways?

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You're part of the problem and you don't even realise it.

Fuck off. YOU are part of the problem, not me. The time to deplatform and hide these views is BEFORE they spread and these people start killing people. But every time you come out and defend people with these views and sometimes propagate them yourself, don't act like you didn't. And now people start dying and completely coincidentally the people who talked about these things are suddenly very concerned about giving attention to the murderer's views. Just fuck off. Just acknowledge this shit is really fucking dangerous and shut up.

You want to pretend I mirror this guys views now? Aren't you a piece of work. Go and back that up by posting a quote of mine.


For your information, THIS is the shit I think is wrong. A news article completely devoted to getting to know the attacker. From his childhood and child photos to his stupid holiday around the world. When you keep posting shit like this, people start to sympathise with him. People get curious and want to learn more. They keep referencing 8chan in every article. Maybe someone will want to check it out. THEY SHOULD STOP GIVING IT COVERAGE

I feel disgusted posting it but to show you what I think needs to stop, here it is.

https://www.news.com.au/world/pacific/christchurch-mosque-shooters-bizarre-trip-to-north-korea/news-story/e840b3a5a16b9266c9a562260c6c4b59

His manifesto is literally one big hate speech and an attempt to justify one of the worst mass murders. It is not in the public interest to be read by the public. The authorities and those who are building a case for him in court, fine. The rest of us don't need to see it in mass print.

But now his stupid manifesto is viewed by millions who would not have ever read it because they don't need to 'find' it. We are just lucky the media isn't posting the video too. You keep going on about 8chan already knowing. No shit. I am talking about impressionable minds seeing this guys bullshit who otherwise wouldn't.

We don't need to see this guys baby photos. We don't need to know about his personal life. We don't need to see an attempt for his terrorism justified in his 'manifesto' and his 'I expect to be forgotten' is just him trying to sound noble. Sad you believe his writings

How do we focus on the victims? How can you even ask?

Well there was one report that the first to die said something like 'hello brother' and tried to welcome the guy with open arms despite obviously seeing all the weapons. He may have tried to diffuse the situation with peace instead of trying to combat hate with hate. I'm more interested in reading about him or about the survivors recoveries then having his murderers baby photos and hate speech reprinted on my screen.

Shifter, come join the game! Even pez joined!

Do I need to remove my angry shitter quote?

We all can use a break calling each other an idiot and instead call each other back stabbers for a bit!

Shifter, come join the game! Even pez joined!

Do I need to remove my angry shitter quote?

We all can use a break calling each other an idiot and instead call each other back stabbers for a bit!

I'll be deadwood if I join.  Won't make it online enough.

You want to pretend I mirror this guys views now? Aren't you a piece of work. Go and back that up by posting a quote of mine.

Did you never act really concerned about all the immigration and multiculturalism? Did you never defend dispute when he started ranting about that crap and about the "replacement" of white people (ok I'm not sure if that was you or CFC but I'm pretty sure it was both)? Or how minorities are actually super privilleged now at the expense of white people? You don't mirror his views, but a lot of the stuff he used to justify is stuff that you too, and many other people, propagate and I'm crazy when I point out that it's dangerous.

For your information, THIS is the shit I think is wrong. A news article completely devoted to getting to know the attacker. From his childhood and child photos to his stupid holiday around the world. When you keep posting shit like this, people start to sympathise with him. People get curious and want to learn more. They keep referencing 8chan in every article. Maybe someone will want to check it out. THEY SHOULD STOP GIVING IT COVERAGE

I don't give a fuck about his childhood or his holidays. That's lame. I do give a fuck about the people knowing what the views that led to this was.

His manifesto is literally one big hate speech and an attempt to justify one of the worst mass murders. It is not in the public interest to be read by the public.

90% of it is just stuff you routinely see on the internet. A big part of it is kind of mainstream actually. This is why I'm telling you that people have to know that some of the stuff that's taken as normal is dangerous.

I am talking about impressionable minds seeing this guys bullshit who otherwise wouldn't.

Said impressionable minds are routinely exposed to this stuff. The best context to discuss them is now that people can see what it leads to. 

Sad you believe his writings

I believe it's what he believed. Lots of people are trying to pretend like it's steeped in irony. It's not, there's some ironic parts but most of it is pretty damn serious (and really repetitive too). There's no reason to do it.