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Where can I find some proof>
« on: January 16, 2007, 09:51:02 AM »
Where can I find some actual proof of a Flat Earth?  Thanks in advance.
ohn 11:35

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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2007, 09:54:14 AM »
Quote from: "hefdaddy42"
Where can I find some actual proof of a Flat Earth?  Thanks in advance.


no-where, same as the fact that you cant find any proof of a round earth.

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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 10:07:34 AM »
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Where can I find some actual proof of a Flat Earth?  Thanks in advance.


Erm, have you looked outside recently?  How about the FAQ?

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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2007, 10:15:39 AM »
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Quote from: "hefdaddy42"
Where can I find some actual proof of a Flat Earth?  Thanks in advance.


no-where
That's what I was afraid of, although I was hoping for something more substantial.
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 same as the fact that you cant find any proof of a round earth.
Ah, well, there are hundreds of years of science to refute that statement.
ohn 11:35

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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2007, 10:16:54 AM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "hefdaddy42"
Where can I find some actual proof of a Flat Earth?  Thanks in advance.


Erm, have you looked outside recently?  How about the FAQ?
Yes, I look outside a lot, and I see nothing to indicate a flat Earth.

Also, that FAQ is horrible and just silly.  If that's all you have on which to base your theories, then I will pray for you.
ohn 11:35

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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2007, 10:17:16 AM »
Quote from: "hefdaddy42"
Quote from: "joshd"
Quote from: "hefdaddy42"
Where can I find some actual proof of a Flat Earth?  Thanks in advance.


no-where
That's what I was afraid of, although I was hoping for something more substantial.
Quote from: "joshd"

 same as the fact that you cant find any proof of a round earth.
Ah, well, there are hundreds of years of science to refute that statement.


not when the FE belivers just claim conspiracy.

(i am a REer by the way)

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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2007, 10:21:11 AM »
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Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "hefdaddy42"
Where can I find some actual proof of a Flat Earth?  Thanks in advance.


Erm, have you looked outside recently?  How about the FAQ?
Yes, I look outside a lot, and I see nothing to indicate a flat Earth.

Also, that FAQ is horrible and just silly.  If that's all you have on which to base your theories, then I will pray for you.


So, when you look outside, you don't see a flat horizon?  Odd ... maybe you should schedule an appointment with your opthamalagist.

Really?  Because I found this in it:
Quote from: "The FAQ nobody reads"
For the original work by the man who created the Flat Earth Society over a hundred and fifty years ago, please see Samuel Rowbotham's Earth: Not a Globe.

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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2007, 11:14:25 AM »
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So, when you look outside, you don't see a flat horizon?  Odd ... maybe you should schedule an appointment with your opthamalagist.
I've been to the tops of mountains, as well as tall structures such as the St. Louis Arch and the Empire State Building.  No flat horizons from those altitudes.  Perhaps you just need a little perspective.

However, since you trust your observations so much, have you ever gone looking for the gold at the end of a rainbow?

Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Really?  Because I found this in it:
Quote from: "The FAQ nobody reads"
For the original work by the man who created the Flat Earth Society over a hundred and fifty years ago, please see Samuel Rowbotham's Earth: Not a Globe.
That is just ridiculous.  The link even admits the guy never used the scientific method.  Please tell me you have more than this.
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GeoGuy

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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2007, 11:18:09 AM »
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That is just ridiculous.  The link even admits the guy never used the scientific method.  Please tell me you have more than this.

Had you actually read the linked book you would know the reason why.

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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2007, 11:24:18 AM »
Step 1. Look outside your window

Step 2. Read "Earth not a Globe" by Samuel Birley Rowbotham

Step 3. Read "One hundred proofs the Earth is not a Globe" by William Carpenter

Step 4. Read the back-issues of Flat Earth News Quarterly

Step 5. Read "Flatland" by Edwin A. Abbott

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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2007, 11:25:19 AM »
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Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"

So, when you look outside, you don't see a flat horizon?  Odd ... maybe you should schedule an appointment with your opthamalagist.
I've been to the tops of mountains, as well as tall structures such as the St. Louis Arch and the Empire State Building.  No flat horizons from those altitudes.  Perhaps you just need a little perspective.

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The eyes can play tricks on the mind.


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However, since you trust your observations so much, have you ever gone looking for the gold at the end of a rainbow?

Since I've never seen a leprechaun ...

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Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Really?  Because I found this in it:
Quote from: "The FAQ nobody reads"
For the original work by the man who created the Flat Earth Society over a hundred and fifty years ago, please see Samuel Rowbotham's Earth: Not a Globe.

That is just ridiculous.  The link even admits the guy never used the scientific method.  Please tell me you have more than this.

Maybe you should read more than the first page that is presented to you, like a good debater would.

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2007, 11:30:22 AM »
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Step 5. Read "Flatland" by Edwin A. Abbott


that isnt going to get you anywhere... that is a book about a two-dimensional world.

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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2007, 11:31:47 AM »
Quote from: "joshd"
Quote from: "Tom Bishop"


Step 5. Read "Flatland" by Edwin A. Abbott


that isnt going to get you anywhere... that is a book about a two-dimensional world.


It will give some insight to the situation.

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Melochromatic

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2007, 11:47:10 AM »
Damn, you're all gonna pay. You can't argue with TEH HEF!!!


Back on topic - What's the general gist of those books mentioned?

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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2007, 11:48:57 AM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"

Maybe you should read more than the first page that is presented to you, like a good debater would.
Please tell me why I should continue past the first page, when the first page tells me how ridiculous the rest of it is.

And I'm not debating.  I'm asking for proof.  I'm assuming that you Flat-Earthers aren't all raving conspiracy nuts, and that you have some concrete reasons for believing the way that you do.  If you rely on non-scientific proofs, then I will revise my assumption.
ohn 11:35

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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2007, 11:51:06 AM »
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Yes, I look outside a lot, and I see nothing to indicate a flat Earth.


Have you tried looking down?

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GeoGuy

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2007, 11:51:22 AM »
Quote from: "hefdaddy42"
Please tell me why I should continue past the first page

Because the first page tells you nothing about the book, nor the Zetetic method of inquiry.
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And I'm not debating.  I'm asking for proof.  

Well good luck with that.

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2007, 12:05:43 PM »
Quote from: "hefdaddy42"
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"

Maybe you should read more than the first page that is presented to you, like a good debater would.
Please tell me why I should continue past the first page, when the first page tells me how ridiculous the rest of it is.

Then you and I would be on the same page, and this argument would be fair.

Quote from: "hefdaddy42"
And I'm not debating.  I'm asking for proof.  I'm assuming that you Flat-Earthers aren't all raving conspiracy nuts, and that you have some concrete reasons for believing the way that you do.  If you rely on non-scientific proofs, then I will revise my assumption.

Quote from: "www.dictionary.com/"
de·bate     [di-beyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -bat·ed, -bat·ing.
–noun
1.   a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints.
3.   deliberation; consideration.
–verb (used without object)
5.   to engage in argument or discussion, as in a legislative or public assembly.
6.   to participate in a formal debate.
7.   to deliberate; consider.
–verb (used with object)
9.   to argue or discuss (a question, issue, or the like), as in a legislative or public assembly.
10.   to dispute or disagree about.
11.   to engage in formal argumentation or disputation with (another person, group, etc.).
12.   to deliberate upon; consider.

So, whether you like it or not, you're debating.

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2007, 12:24:21 PM »
So, you are saying that you have no proof, and that your only evidence, for lack of a better word, relies on information that admittedly eschews the scientific method.
ohn 11:35

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2007, 12:43:02 PM »
It is all quite clear to me now.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2007, 01:36:39 PM »
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So, you are saying that you have no proof, and that your only evidence, for lack of a better word, relies on information that admittedly eschews the scientific method.

Quote from: "That sentence you read oh so carefully"
To make his system work he had to throw out a great deal of science, including the scientific method itself, using instead what he calls a 'Zetetic' method.

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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2007, 01:56:24 PM »
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To make his CRACKPOT DRIVEL work he had to throw out a great deal of science, including the scientific method itself, using instead THE BULLSHIT method.
Yeah, that's what it looks like to me, as well.
ohn 11:35

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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2007, 01:59:38 PM »
And how do you know that the person who wrote that knows what he/she/it is talking about?  Magazines get things wrong about science all the time.

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GeoGuy

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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2007, 03:22:17 PM »
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Words to the effect of "I think the Zetetic method is worthless".

Why do you believe this? What evidence do you have supporting this claim?

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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2007, 03:28:17 PM »
I do beleive that Hefdaddy42 has a point there!
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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2007, 03:33:49 PM »
Zetetic=proceeding by inquiry.
(Math.) the method used for finding the value of unknown quantities by direct search, in investigation, or in the solution of problems

Does this mean he just looked for anything that would fit?

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GeoGuy

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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2007, 03:37:48 PM »
Not at all. Read the book.

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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2007, 04:15:52 PM »
I have been Taught lies all through my school years.
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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2007, 04:24:44 PM »
that was the definition of zetetic, if he didn't just pick something that fit then it wasnt zetetic was it?

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GeoGuy

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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2007, 04:34:16 PM »
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Read the book.