McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism

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McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« on: March 12, 2019, 07:46:20 PM »
What is McCarthyism? Basically, McCarthyism was the practice of attempting to minimize the threat of communism by accusing and detaining suspects deemed to be a security threat or disloyal to the United States. Investigations ranged from the federal government, to Hollywood, to the general American public.

Beginning in 1950, they targeted individuals within the United States who were suspected communists. Their witch hunt began at the federal level. They accused individuals, such as General George Marshall, who served both as Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense under Truman, and Secretary of State Dean Acheson of supporting communism. They targeted the United States Army and, eventually, President Truman himself when they made the decision to remove General Douglas MacArthur from power during the Korean War.

McCarthyism's search eventually trickled down to the ground level as they began attacking artists, musicians, writers and movie stars. Names you might recognize include individuals such as Charlie Chaplin, Langston Hughes, Pete Seeger, J. Robert Oppenheimer and Albert Einstein. They contended that all of these individuals worked within communist organizations and/or belonged to the Communist Party of America. Additionally, their wanton accusations often led to those who were not famous and worked in the private sector being ostracized from their respective profession.

Don't those two theories look very much alike to you?

McCarthy was a Republican senator from Wisconsin and was the leader behind the ethos of McCarthyism. The term was created in 1950 by Washington Post writer Herbert Block.
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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2019, 07:49:30 PM »
Don't those two theories look very much alike to you?

Not particularly, no.
Let me explain this in a way you can understand. What you just wrote sounds exactly like something that a gay rights Portuguese Samurai would write.

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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2019, 07:53:36 PM »
Don't those two theories look very much alike to you?

Not particularly, no.

Don't Global Earth Deniers accuse everyone from the federal level to Hollywood of knowing about how the earth is not round? Sounds very similar to me.
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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2019, 08:41:38 PM »
First of all, you edited your post after I replied.

Secondly, I don't think the FE community is exactly causing people whose world view they disagree with to be ostracized in any way, shape, or form.

C) there is no witch hunt. I mean, not even a little bit. This isn't a movement that has infiltrated the government and started driving a wedge between legislators, armed services, or anyone else.

IV. I don't believe there is any unified front of FEers calling all REers commies or socialists or whatever else

Penultimately, you seem to make a lot of arguments where the conclusion just doesn't follow from the premise, so why would this be different?

Lastth, in 1950 you mention Einstein and Oppenheimer had some heat on them. It may have had something to do with the Manhattan Project and some of the "fallout" from that whole ordeal (see what I did there?). Last I checked, we haven't dropped any nukes on our enemies lately, and even if that were to happen, the biggest backlash from anyone on this website would probably be from Heiwa. Hardly really a movement.
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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2019, 10:44:28 PM »
First of all, you edited your post after I replied.

Secondly, I don't think the FE community is exactly causing people whose world view they disagree with to be ostracized in any way, shape, or form.

C) there is no witch hunt. I mean, not even a little bit. This isn't a movement that has infiltrated the government and started driving a wedge between legislators, armed services, or anyone else.

IV. I don't believe there is any unified front of FEers calling all REers commies or socialists or whatever else

Penultimately, you seem to make a lot of arguments where the conclusion just doesn't follow from the premise, so why would this be different?

Lastth, in 1950 you mention Einstein and Oppenheimer had some heat on them. It may have had something to do with the Manhattan Project and some of the "fallout" from that whole ordeal (see what I did there?). Last I checked, we haven't dropped any nukes on our enemies lately, and even if that were to happen, the biggest backlash from anyone on this website would probably be from Heiwa. Hardly really a movement.

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence. What kind of evidence does Global Earth Deniers have?

A witch-hunt is an attempt to find and punish a particular group of people who are being blamed for something, often simply because of their opinions and not because they have actually done anything wrong.

After all, isn't the group that Global Earth Deniers attack is NASA and NASA only? There are so many space agencies out there. Why blame NASA?

Lastth, in 1950 you mention Einstein and Oppenheimer had some heat on them. It may have had something to do with the Manhattan Project and some of the "fallout" from that whole ordeal (see what I did there?). Last I checked, we haven't dropped any nukes on our enemies lately, and even if that were to happen, the biggest backlash from anyone on this website would probably be from Heiwa. Hardly really a movement.

If one would look at this GED theory, one would come with conclusion that Manhattan project never existed in the first place. It could of just been a one big joke, to scare off the Chinese or the Russians. The bombs that dropped on Japan never happened, that is if the GED theory is correct.
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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2019, 11:11:52 PM »
I would look at it differently. The massive issue with McCarthyism was not just, "...the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence." But this, "...an attempt to find and punish a particular group of people who are being blamed for something, often simply because of their opinions and not because they have actually done anything wrong."

You have to look at it from a position of power. FE has none, zero. FE can go after NASA/Space agencies all they want but have no power to exact any level of 'punishment' for what they perceive to be as lies/conspiracy.

McCarthy had the full weight of Senatorial might to by his hand and the committee's absolutely destroy another's reputation at a minimum, livelihood and freedom at a maximum. There's a big difference dependent upon the power of the witchhunter versus the witch.

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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2019, 02:22:18 AM »
Yeah. FE ainít exactly a powerful entity.

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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2019, 07:02:49 AM »
Don't those two theories look very much alike to you?

Not particularly, no.

Don't Global Earth Deniers accuse everyone from the federal level to Hollywood of knowing about how the earth is not round? Sounds very similar to me.

No, FE does not accuse everyone from the federal level to Hollywood of knowing the earth is flat. We believe that it isn't necessary for most people to know the true shape. You RE are the ones who obsess over the conspiracy and make up stuff about it.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2019, 02:41:16 AM »
Don't those two theories look very much alike to you?

Not particularly, no.

Don't Global Earth Deniers accuse everyone from the federal level to Hollywood of knowing about how the earth is not round? Sounds very similar to me.

No, FE does not accuse everyone from the federal level to Hollywood of knowing the earth is flat. We believe that it isn't necessary for most people to know the true shape. You RE are the ones who obsess over the conspiracy and make up stuff about it.

Aren't like all the pilots in the world part of the conspiracy? And that includes all the generals of every army branch because they need to know the exact distance between each point.
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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2019, 02:47:16 AM »
Yeah. FE ainít exactly a powerful entity.

What if some of them managed to get a sit in the Congress? Would they behave like good citizens in civilized manner or would they unleash the McCarthyistic unfolded paranoia on everyone?
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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2019, 08:13:39 AM »
Hamzah, can I firstly say, your animated signature is awesome.

As for the McCarthyism concerns, you can lay those concerns to rest. If a flat earther made it to Congress, the moment exposed as such, would be leaving congress in a strait jacket.

How can a flat earther discuss global climate change for example?  Or the budget for NASA and space exploration? Or partake in strategic military decisions that rely on GPS, satellites, drones, and long range weapon capability knowledge?  Just impossible.

Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2019, 03:23:07 PM »
How can a flat earther discuss global climate change for example? 

Probably by doing something daft, like throwing a snowball.

Oh, wait...

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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2019, 04:21:31 PM »
Simple, leave off the "global" part.
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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2019, 07:44:31 PM »
Aren't like all the pilots in the world part of the conspiracy? And that includes all the generals of every army branch because they need to know the exact distance between each point.

No, because -- again -- they likely don't need to know.

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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2019, 07:56:36 PM »
Aren't like all the pilots in the world part of the conspiracy? And that includes all the generals of every army branch because they need to know the exact distance between each point.

No, because -- again -- they likely don't need to know.

I don't know if they would need to know about the conspiracy or not. But there is still a problem. All of a pilots longer haul navigation is based upon great circles with associated speed/distance/fuel consumption. So either their calculations or their system's calculations would need to be falsifying a globe earth in one way or another.

Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2019, 07:28:32 PM »
Don't Global Earth Deniers accuse everyone from the federal level to Hollywood of knowing about how the earth is not round?

No.

I don't know if they would need to know about the conspiracy or not. But there is still a problem. All of a pilots longer haul navigation is based upon great circles with associated speed/distance/fuel consumption. So either their calculations or their system's calculations would need to be falsifying a globe earth in one way or another.



An interesting video about how jet streams (which make little sense on a globe) impact plane travel -- particularly on a flat Earth.
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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2019, 10:37:23 PM »
I don't know if they would need to know about the conspiracy or not. But there is still a problem. All of a pilots longer haul navigation is based upon great circles with associated speed/distance/fuel consumption. So either their calculations or their system's calculations would need to be falsifying a globe earth in one way or another.



An interesting video about how jet streams (which make little sense on a globe) impact plane travel -- particularly on a flat Earth.

Seriously? Interesting? What's interesting about it? What about it makes little sense on a globe when all he is doing is showing a bunch of globe satellite footage. I guess even a Flat Earther can borrow some globe earth tech in the form of satellites and show jetstream swirls on an AE globe projection map. This video literally means nothing no matter what side of the debate you're on.

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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2019, 12:00:58 AM »
Michael Shermer's "Baloney Detection Kit". Should be required reading for ALL.




1. How reliable is the source of the claim?
2. Does the source make similar claims?
3. Have the claims been verified by somebody else?
4. Does this fit with the way the world works?
5. Has anyone tried to disprove the claim?
6. Where does the preponderance of evidence point?
7. Is the claimant playing by the rules of science?
8. Is the claimant providing positive evidence?
9. Does the new theory account for as many phenomena as the old theory?
10. Are personal beliefs driving the claim?

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Re: McCarthyism vs Global Earth Denialism
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2019, 12:38:19 AM »
Simple, leave off the "global" part.

When ocean currents and air currents which include high and low air pressure systems, are no longer consistent with climate on a global world, yeah sure, leave "global" off. Simple.

Imagine on flat earth, the extremely powerful water currents that must circle the world oceans at the ice ring wall? Which direction would it flow?

If there were any truth to it, such a condition would eventually lead to a worldwide whirlpool effect where the water from all the oceans and seas as we know them, would be sucked dry into the whirlpool.

What about the way air must strike the "dome" at the ice ring wall, and be deflected, or pushed together causing mega storms?