distance between santiago de chile and melbourne on a fe?

Hi there,
just wandering about distances on fe. on a sphere, melbourne and santiago de chile are round about 11000 kilometers away and you can fly it non stop in about 14:45 Hours (just google it)

this means, the airplane needs to fly with a tempo of about 800 km/h which appears quite normal to me.

what us the distance of the two cities on a flat earth? must be much farer away, musnt it? and how fast would a plane need to fly to make it in 14:45 hours non stop? would such a flight in such a fast plane not cost more than 1133 Euros? and why are such fast planes only fly there and not between lets say san francisco and london, making that travel time much shorter?

or is there an anomaly in gravity around the southpole, that time continues slower than on the northern hemisphere? im just curious

Hi there,
just wandering about distances on fe. on a sphere, melbourne and santiago de chile are round about 11000 kilometers away and you can fly it non stop in about 14:45 Hours (just google it)

this means, the airplane needs to fly with a tempo of about 800 km/h which appears quite normal to me.

what us the distance of the two cities on a flat earth? must be much farer away, musnt it? and how fast would a plane need to fly to make it in 14:45 hours non stop? would such a flight in such a fast plane not cost more than 1133 Euros? and why are such fast planes only fly there and not between lets say san francisco and london, making that travel time much shorter?

or is there an anomaly in gravity around the southpole, that time continues slower than on the northern hemisphere? im just curious

This post was mainly quotes from a QANTAS pilot on a QF28 non-stop flight from Santiago to Sydney:
             Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat Earth Theory Debunked by Short Flights (QF27 & QF28).
The usual flight distance from Santiago to Sydney is about 11,600 km in about 13 hours 30 minutes.
Sydney to Santiago is faster and usually a shorter distance than the return flight from Santiago to Sydney because of the west to east jet-stream.

But on the "standard flat earth map", the "UN Flag" or "Ice-Wall", the shortest distance Sydney to/from Santiago would be about 25,500 km.
That would be quite impossible because of the range of aircraft and maximum speed. See:

Gleason's Map (Ice-Wall) - Sydney to Santiago - 25,500 km

Hi there,
just wandering about distances on fe. on a sphere,

Think about that.

Not to mention that heading from Rio to central Australia would take you over the North pole according to the map you are showing.

There is no "agreed upon" flat earth map. There never will be. Because it's impossible. The non-existence of a fixed-scale flat earth map with the distances between cities and the relative sizes of continents being correct is the most obvious proof the earth is not flat.

But FE's are immune to logic.

To find the distance on a flat earth, find the longitude of both places. Multiply that by 111km (distance from one degree of longitude to another) then use the rule of cosines to find the quickest route on the flat earth. Once you're done with your math, you'll realize how impossible flight paths are on a flat earth.

Quote from: gibmirdiekugel on March 09, 2019, 04:33:11 PM

Hi there,
just wandering about distances on fe. on a sphere, melbourne and santiago de chile are round about 11000 kilometers away and you can fly it non stop in about 14:45 Hours (just google it)

this means, the airplane needs to fly with a tempo of about 800 km/h which appears quite normal to me.

what us the distance of the two cities on a flat earth? must be much farer away, musnt it? and how fast would a plane need to fly to make it in 14:45 hours non stop? would such a flight in such a fast plane not cost more than 1133 Euros? and why are such fast planes only fly there and not between lets say san francisco and london, making that travel time much shorter?

or is there an anomaly in gravity around the southpole, that time continues slower than on the northern hemisphere? im just curious

This post was mainly quotes from a QANTAS pilot on a QF28 non-stop flight from Santiago to Sydney:
             Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat Earth Theory Debunked by Short Flights (QF27 & QF28).
The usual flight distance from Santiago to Sydney is about 11,600 km in about 13 hours 30 minutes.
Sydney to Santiago is faster and usually a shorter distance than the return flight from Santiago to Sydney because of the west to east jet-stream.

But on the "standard flat earth map", the "UN Flag" or "Ice-Wall", the shortest distance Sydney to/from Santiago would be about 25,500 km.
That would be quite impossible because of the range of aircraft and maximum speed. See:

Gleason's Map (Ice-Wall) - Sydney to Santiago - 25,500 km

Extending, QANTAS uses the Boeing 747-400 on the flight. Also, the average speed of the aircraft is around ~860km/h on the route. On the flat earth, knowing that the distance is 25,500km that needs to be accomplished in a time frame of 13 hours and 30 minutes, the average speed of the airplane would be about 1890km/h. Unfortunate for some, the maximum speed of the Boeing 747-400 is 988km/h.

Hi there,
just wandering about distances on fe. on a sphere, melbourne and santiago de chile are round about 11000 kilometers away and you can fly it non stop in about 14:45 Hours (just google it)

this means, the airplane needs to fly with a tempo of about 800 km/h which appears quite normal to me.

what us the distance of the two cities on a flat earth? must be much farer away, musnt it? and how fast would a plane need to fly to make it in 14:45 hours non stop? would such a flight in such a fast plane not cost more than 1133 Euros? and why are such fast planes only fly there and not between lets say san francisco and london, making that travel time much shorter?

or is there an anomaly in gravity around the southpole, that time continues slower than on the northern hemisphere? im just curious

Santiago de Chile flights through Australia are completely fake.

This is the list of black listed companies who manipulate the flight chart: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74179.msg2019488#msg2019488

This is the distance between those cities: 20.546 kms. This value may be different in other flat earth maps but close this number.



This means you can not fly between these cities less than 18-19 hours technically.

Santiago de Chile flights through Australia are completely fake.

You have repeatedly asserted that but have been completely unable to substantiate it in any way.
Not even by going to take the flight.

Meanwhile, there is plenty of evidence indicating it is real.

This is the list of black listed companies who manipulate the flight chart:

You mean the companies that destroy your map so you need to make up pathetic BS excuses to reject them and their flights.

This is the distance between those cities: 20.546 kms.
This means you can not fly between these cities less than 18-19 hours technically.

No, that is the distance predicted by your "map".
Reality, including the real flights between these locations, shows your garbage to be wrong.


Now do you have any evidence to indicate these flights are fake?

You have repeatedly asserted that but have been completely unable to substantiate it in any way.

I've repeatedly asserted its absence and nobody has proved its existance. Absence does not need to prove. Because absence is absence. Existance is a claim has to be proven. Read a bit philosophy and give up to play word game.

Not even by going to take the flight.

Nobody has took that flight in fact.

Meanwhile, there is plenty of evidence indicating it is real.

Nope. Cgi animations and claims are not evidence. You have to provide a convincing full time flight 14 hours, 16 hours or which hour you claim.

You mean the companies that destroy your map so you need to make up pathetic BS excuses to reject them and their flights.

Nope. I mean dishonest companies whose manipulating anything. You claim this flights existance to aim destroy our maps. But you are not providing any convincing evidences.

No, that is the distance predicted by your "map".

It is the real distance according to FE map, you agree or not. You can verify it by other maps. They are similar. Difference of my map is its being autocad and easy findable distances. Your so called society agrees it as official map or not, can not represent the flat earth movement. This is the real flat earth map, agree or bye bye.

Reality, including the real flights between these locations, shows your garbage to be wrong.

According to more than 100 thousand flights prove that this map is completely true, perfectly true, your baseless claims and a bunch of gang aircraft companies claim some routes can not change the fact. This is not, but your counter claims are a garbage.

Now do you have any evidence to indicate these flights are fake?

Again, absence does not need to be proven. Existance needs it. Prove its existance. You can not. You can not so the earth is flat. You know this. You know you can not prove its existance because its absence. You can write infinite things those absent but I have not do prove their absence. You have a claim so you have to prove their existance.

Do not flee like everytime you do. Do not get help from your partner / patron rabinoz. come here and reply all the statements without a help of your commander. 

Santiago de Chile flights through Australia are completely fake.

Are you still maintaining that they throw all of their passengers into the ocean?

I've repeatedly asserted its absence and nobody has proved its existance.

You have been provided plenty of evidence that it exists. Enough for most people to say it has been proven to exist.
As such, the burden is on you to show it doesn't exist, and that is something you are yet to do.

Absence does not need to prove.

No, it does.
If you wish to assert something doesn't exist, you have a burden to prove it doesn't.
You can't simply assert things don't exist without any justification and pretend your position is justified.

Nobody has took that flight in fact.

Stop lying.
Plenty of people have taken the flight. (including some I know personally).
You could easily verify the flight's existence by taking it yourself.

Cgi animations and claims are not evidence.

You mean witness testimony, flight radar tracking and plenty of other things aren't evidence.

As for your pathetic appeals to video, if you want to apply that standard there are still hundreds of flights you need to provide video footage for.
But more importantly, considering you dismiss so much as CGI, why wouldn't you just dismiss the video as CGI?

Nope. I mean dishonest companies whose manipulating anything.

Again, that is just your baseless claim.
The sole reason you have for claiming such garbage is because they show your claims to be pure BS.

It is the real distance according to FE map

It may be the "real" distance according to your delusional map, but that doesn't make it the real distance in reality.
The flight times show that distance is BS.

According to more than 100 thousand flights prove that this map is completely true, perfectly true

No, they don't.
The flights you have cherry picked (which you have failed to provide any more compelling evidence for than that which exists between Australia and South America and Africa) show that your map agrees to some extent. Not perfectly. This massive level of error means they can't show that it is actually true.
Meanwhile, these flights that do exist, that you need to reject, show your map to be garbage.

You can not so the earth is flat.

You have been provided with the evidence and you just choose to ignore it.
Even if these flights didn't exist, it wouldn't magically mean Earth is flat.

Now, can you stop with the pathetic, childish BS and start actually rationally and honestly defending your claims?
Do you have any evidence at all to refute the existence of these flights?
Because so far all the evidence points to their existence.

Quote from: wise on May 02, 2019, 12:42:12 AM

Santiago de Chile flights through Australia are completely fake.

Are you still maintaining that they throw all of their passengers into the ocean?

Stop to do parasite like Russian radio when adults are talking. There was an irony you can not get it with your damaged brain JuraTheCrab.

We know this game. And you'll start to bypass some statements like everytime you do. 

You have been provided plenty of evidence that it exists. Enough for most people to say it has been proven to exist.

Nope. They were not evidences but a bunch of garbage like many things about this issue.

Enough for most people to say it has been proven to exist.

So atheism is failed because of stayed minority, right?

As such, the burden is on you to show it doesn't exist, and that is something you are yet to do.

Again, since the upside claims are not evidences, I have nothing to show. Claims are not evidences. I can claim existance of Atlantis, and you can not prove its absence. So it is exist, so lets go to Atlantis this weekend.

No, it does.

yes, it doesn't.

If you wish to assert something anything doesn't exist, you have a burden to prove it doesn't.

Again and again, If you wish to assert something does exist, you have a burden to prove it does. You can not use something for negative sentences, but only positives.

You can't simply assert things don't exist without any justification and pretend your position is justified.

You have to prove its existance first. I don't see any proof, anyone else see it?

Stop lying.

You are the biggest liar in this conversation has not a comparative property with me.

Plenty of people have taken the flight.

Either nobody has taken this flight or Qantas has throwed them to Antarctica, because nobody hs landed to Santiago.

(including some I know personally).

Especially you are a full of liar. If NASA pays you enough so you deny even the God.

You could easily verify the flight's existence by taking it yourself.

Buying a ticket can not be an evidence. Company can find a reason to delay the flight or change the time or make it indirect flight. I'm not buying tickets from crooks and liars. sorry.

You mean witness testimony, flight radar tracking and plenty of other things aren't evidence.

witness testimony is you and your salaraid friends; flight radar sometimes use datas got by aircraft companies that I showed its evidence that now you deny it; other things are your imagination not evidences but your being a liar.

As for your pathetic appeals to video, if you want to apply that standard there are still hundreds of flights you need to provide video footage for.

There is not a pathetic full time video between Santiago and Sydney those your rich Australian friends flight there have millions of camera. GSM may be forbid but simple cameras are free to use. But you can not record a flight what absent.

But more importantly, considering you dismiss so much as CGI, why wouldn't you just dismiss the video as CGI?

I am talking about a video shown by one of your friends claimed its existance by a cgi video. It was the only thing shown me as full time video between this path, and it was just a cgi like your own.

Again, that is just your baseless claim.

Again, it is the truth you deny.

The sole reason you have for claiming such garbage is because they show your claims to be pure BS.

The sole reason I have claiming this fact because it has proved by 100.000 flights and there is no evidence of its existance. You still support it because it suports your BS roundsomething lie.

It may be the "real" distance according to your delusional map, but that doesn't make it the real distance in reality.

It is not delusional. It has created here online by using more than 100.000 flights. It is real, not delusional. If I remember it true so the map has a margin of error of average 1%.

The flight times show that distance is BS.

100.000 flight time verifies it, and your garbage claim tries to deny it but unsuccesfull. Because your counter claims have not any evidence just some tickets. If I give you a ticket so can you shut up?

No, they don't.

Yes they do.

The flights you have cherry picked (which you have failed to provide any more compelling evidence for than that which exists between Australia and South America and Africa) show that your map agrees to some extent.

Flat earth map is true and independent from your so called paths.

Not perfectly.

Perfectly.

This massive level of error means they can't show that it is actually true.

I don't see a mistake here but only your existance.

Meanwhile, these flights that do exist, that you need to reject, show your map to be garbage.

Those claims of flights are just produces lies to deny the facts. But it has been failed because you can not support your garbage RE model.

You have been provided with the evidence and you just choose to ignore it.

Nope. You are the biggest liar ever saying lie again. Nobody has provided any proof. Cgi animations can not be evidence. You can fool only yourself by using them.

Even if these flights didn't exist, it wouldn't magically mean Earth is flat.

A good opening to agree their not being existance. Leave it to us to decide whether its being flat or not.

Now, can you stop with the pathetic, childish BS and start actually rationally and honestly defending your claims?

Again and again, my map and the earths being flat has been verified by 100.000 flights all over the world. Your theory and the claim of existance of this path is which the thing be a BS garbage.

Do you have any evidence at all to refute the existence of these flights?

Anything absent does not need to be proved. You have to prove their existance other than your garbage speeches.

Because so far all the evidence points to their existence.

because so far there was not an evidence prove their existance. If it was so, but we have not saw them at all although followed the issue I think.

Now, either reply all the statements or you have agreed you are a liar, this path is absent and the earth is flat. Reply it without taking a help of your patroninoz.

We know this game. And you'll start to bypass some statements like everytime you do. 

Give up your silly ideas. Whatever you might say those southern hemisphere are real and you cannot prove otherwise.

Posting your pages and pages of empty words proves nothing.

Quote from: wise on May 02, 2019, 03:15:37 AM

We know this game. And you'll start to bypass some statements like everytime you do. 

Give up your silly ideas. Whatever you might say those southern hemisphere are real and you cannot prove otherwise.

Posting your pages and pages of empty words proves nothing.

wait for your turn. already your staff will give up soon. we can argue with you after that. this would at least be more appropriate to a fair controversy. oh, sorry, to be fair and you, together. 

Quote from: rabinoz on May 02, 2019, 03:37:03 AM

Quote from: wise on May 02, 2019, 03:15:37 AM

We know this game. And you'll start to bypass some statements like everytime you do. 

Give up your silly ideas. Whatever you might say those southern hemisphere are real and you cannot prove otherwise.

Posting your pages and pages of empty words proves nothing.

wait for your turn. already your staff will give up soon. we can argue with you after that. this would at least be more appropriate to a fair controversy. oh, sorry, to be fair and you, together. 

It's no point arguing unless you have evidence and you have none!

Quote from: wise on May 02, 2019, 03:49:13 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on May 02, 2019, 03:37:03 AM

Quote from: wise on May 02, 2019, 03:15:37 AM

We know this game. And you'll start to bypass some statements like everytime you do. 

Give up your silly ideas. Whatever you might say those southern hemisphere are real and you cannot prove otherwise.

Posting your pages and pages of empty words proves nothing.

wait for your turn. already your staff will give up soon. we can argue with you after that. this would at least be more appropriate to a fair controversy. oh, sorry, to be fair and you, together. 

It's no point arguing unless you have evidence and you have none!

Stop to talk like a sided audience. We know you have already same ideas with your Jackstaff. Just wait for your turn. Then I'll give you a piece of my mind. Just wait your staff to give up. 1 hours and a half of hor have been passed. No answer. You see, he has no argument but your support. Lets say some slogan for him. 

Stop to talk like a sided audience. We know you have already same ideas with your Jackstaff. Just wait for your turn. Then I'll give you a piece of my mind. Just wait your staff to give up. 1 hours and a half of hor have been passed. No answer. You see, he has no argument but your support. Lets say some slogan for him. 

Still no evidence, I see! But I'll be in bed in less than an hour.

Why would anybody need any "argument"? You have given no evidence to refute - just your empty claims.
Just because you say something is not true does not make it not true.

We know this game.

Yes, we do.
You repeatedly make the same pathetic baseless assertions and demand an insane standard of evidence which you only ever hold these things which show you to be wrong to.
You are completely unable to provide any rational justification for any of your claims or even any motive of why these airlines would lie about these flights.

All you can do is come up with pathetic excuses.

I'll skip the rest of your pathetic nonsense, especially as most is just repeating the same lies. (Yes, when you repeat the same lies I will skip them, and potentially skip over some other nonsense that was hiding among them.)

Like I said, all the evidence points to these flights existing. There is plenty. There is witness testimony, there is the fact that you can go and buy yourself a ticket right now. There are people I personally know who have flown this flight. There is video footage of the flight. There are airports listing the departure and arrival of these flights. There are flight tracking services that track these flights. There are some at least somewhat famous people who have taken them and have had it reported on.

Meanwhile all we have to doubt it is your lies attacking these companies and flights for the sole reason that they don't work on your map, preventing you from producing a map of Earth which is flat and works.

This means the burden of proof has been met by those claiming these flights exist.
It has not been met by those claiming they do not.

As for your last little childish bit, you first. Go back to all the threads you have fled from after you have been repeatedly refuted and repeatedly been unable to defend your claims in any way and either rationally respond or admit you were wrong, or you have agreed you are a liar. Provide evidence that these flights are fake, or you have agreed you are a liar.

So I ask again, do you have anything to back up your claims?

Quote from: wise on May 02, 2019, 03:15:37 AM

We know this game.

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You have to reply all the statements before ask something new. Till you reply all the statements one by one you have no right to ask anything else. This is a discussing and we are equal sides of this discussing. You are neither a lawyer quering me, nor a moderator who moderates this discussing. Now; turn to the issue and fight against the statements like a man! Till you reply all of them, I'll remind you as main task.

You have been provided plenty of evidence that it exists. Enough for most people to say it has been proven to exist.

Nope. They were not evidences but a bunch of garbage like many things about this issue.

Enough for most people to say it has been proven to exist.

So atheism is failed because of stayed minority, right?

As such, the burden is on you to show it doesn't exist, and that is something you are yet to do.

Again, since the upside claims are not evidences, I have nothing to show. Claims are not evidences. I can claim existance of Atlantis, and you can not prove its absence. So it is exist, so lets go to Atlantis this weekend.

No, it does.

yes, it doesn't.

If you wish to assert something anything doesn't exist, you have a burden to prove it doesn't.

Again and again, If you wish to assert something does exist, you have a burden to prove it does. You can not use something for negative sentences, but only positives.

You can't simply assert things don't exist without any justification and pretend your position is justified.

You have to prove its existance first. I don't see any proof, anyone else see it?

Stop lying.

You are the biggest liar in this conversation has not a comparative property with me.

Plenty of people have taken the flight.

Either nobody has taken this flight or Qantas has throwed them to Antarctica, because nobody hs landed to Santiago.

(including some I know personally).

Especially you are a full of liar. If NASA pays you enough so you deny even the God.

You could easily verify the flight's existence by taking it yourself.

Buying a ticket can not be an evidence. Company can find a reason to delay the flight or change the time or make it indirect flight. I'm not buying tickets from crooks and liars. sorry.

You mean witness testimony, flight radar tracking and plenty of other things aren't evidence.

witness testimony is you and your salaraid friends; flight radar sometimes use datas got by aircraft companies that I showed its evidence that now you deny it; other things are your imagination not evidences but your being a liar.

As for your pathetic appeals to video, if you want to apply that standard there are still hundreds of flights you need to provide video footage for.

There is not a pathetic full time video between Santiago and Sydney those your rich Australian friends flight there have millions of camera. GSM may be forbid but simple cameras are free to use. But you can not record a flight what absent.

But more importantly, considering you dismiss so much as CGI, why wouldn't you just dismiss the video as CGI?

I am talking about a video shown by one of your friends claimed its existance by a cgi video. It was the only thing shown me as full time video between this path, and it was just a cgi like your own.

Again, that is just your baseless claim.

Again, it is the truth you deny.

The sole reason you have for claiming such garbage is because they show your claims to be pure BS.

The sole reason I have claiming this fact because it has proved by 100.000 flights and there is no evidence of its existance. You still support it because it suports your BS roundsomething lie.

It may be the "real" distance according to your delusional map, but that doesn't make it the real distance in reality.

It is not delusional. It has created here online by using more than 100.000 flights. It is real, not delusional. If I remember it true so the map has a margin of error of average 1%.

The flight times show that distance is BS.

100.000 flight time verifies it, and your garbage claim tries to deny it but unsuccesfull. Because your counter claims have not any evidence just some tickets. If I give you a ticket so can you shut up?

No, they don't.

Yes they do.

The flights you have cherry picked (which you have failed to provide any more compelling evidence for than that which exists between Australia and South America and Africa) show that your map agrees to some extent.

Flat earth map is true and independent from your so called paths.

Not perfectly.

Perfectly.

This massive level of error means they can't show that it is actually true.

I don't see a mistake here but only your existance.

Meanwhile, these flights that do exist, that you need to reject, show your map to be garbage.

Those claims of flights are just produces lies to deny the facts. But it has been failed because you can not support your garbage RE model.

You have been provided with the evidence and you just choose to ignore it.

Nope. You are the biggest liar ever saying lie again. Nobody has provided any proof. Cgi animations can not be evidence. You can fool only yourself by using them.

Even if these flights didn't exist, it wouldn't magically mean Earth is flat.

A good opening to agree their not being existance. Leave it to us to decide whether its being flat or not.

Now, can you stop with the pathetic, childish BS and start actually rationally and honestly defending your claims?

Again and again, my map and the earths being flat has been verified by 100.000 flights all over the world. Your theory and the claim of existance of this path is which the thing be a BS garbage.

Do you have any evidence at all to refute the existence of these flights?

Anything absent does not need to be proved. You have to prove their existance other than your garbage speeches.

Because so far all the evidence points to their existence.

because so far there was not an evidence prove their existance. If it was so, but we have not saw them at all although followed the issue I think.

To find the distance on a flat earth, find the longitude of both places. Multiply that by 111km (distance from one degree of longitude to another) then use the rule of cosines to find the quickest route on the flat earth. Once you're done with your math, you'll realize how impossible flight paths are on a flat earth.

Quote from: rabinoz on March 09, 2019, 05:40:21 PM

Quote from: gibmirdiekugel on March 09, 2019, 04:33:11 PM

Hi there,
just wandering about distances on fe. on a sphere, melbourne and santiago de chile are round about 11000 kilometers away and you can fly it non stop in about 14:45 Hours (just google it)

this means, the airplane needs to fly with a tempo of about 800 km/h which appears quite normal to me.

what us the distance of the two cities on a flat earth? must be much farer away, musnt it? and how fast would a plane need to fly to make it in 14:45 hours non stop? would such a flight in such a fast plane not cost more than 1133 Euros? and why are such fast planes only fly there and not between lets say san francisco and london, making that travel time much shorter?

or is there an anomaly in gravity around the southpole, that time continues slower than on the northern hemisphere? im just curious

This post was mainly quotes from a QANTAS pilot on a QF28 non-stop flight from Santiago to Sydney:
             Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat Earth Theory Debunked by Short Flights (QF27 & QF28).
The usual flight distance from Santiago to Sydney is about 11,600 km in about 13 hours 30 minutes.
Sydney to Santiago is faster and usually a shorter distance than the return flight from Santiago to Sydney because of the west to east jet-stream.

But on the "standard flat earth map", the "UN Flag" or "Ice-Wall", the shortest distance Sydney to/from Santiago would be about 25,500 km.
That would be quite impossible because of the range of aircraft and maximum speed. See:

Gleason's Map (Ice-Wall) - Sydney to Santiago - 25,500 km

Extending, QANTAS uses the Boeing 747-400 on the flight. Also, the average speed of the aircraft is around ~860km/h on the route. On the flat earth, knowing that the distance is 25,500km that needs to be accomplished in a time frame of 13 hours and 30 minutes, the average speed of the airplane would be about 1890km/h. Unfortunate for some, the maximum speed of the Boeing 747-400 is 988km/h.

The distance between longitude lines changes depending on latitude. The number you gave is for latitude.

You have to reply all the statements before ask something new.

Then run along back to all the threads you have fled and answer them.
Then once you have, come back here and respond to my post without just repeating the same nonsense which was already refuted.


Again, you have been provided with plenty of evidence to show these flights are real.
As such, the burden of proof is on you to show they don't exist.

You don't just get to claim that you don't like our evidence and that because you are claiming absence you don't need to prove anything.
You are making a claim, a claim that these flights are fake and that the airlines are just pretending. You even make claims about the airlines murdering the people who take these flights.
These are all claims which require evidence to justify.

What you are doing now is like Turkey is fake and saying that no evidence is required on your part because you are claiming absence. When presented with evidence you just dismiss it as fake garbage/GCI, and claim that all the immigrants and tourists are being murdered and thrown into the ocean.

Does that sound like a sane position to you?

Now I ask again:
Do you have any rational defence to your ridiculous claims?

This may have been covered in other threads........
But.......
Are there any direct flights from Brisbane to Santiago ?
Looks like according to Gleason's. Map, they would go over China, Russia , the North Pole, Canada and the United States ?

Correction :
There seem to be many flights from Brisbane to Santiago , but no direct flights.
The most direct seems to be with 1-stop  : Brisbane to Melbourne to Santiago
But still the route on Gleason's Map would not be much different than the Sydney to Santiago.

Not to mention that heading from Rio to central Australia would take you over the North pole according to the map you are showing.

There is no "agreed upon" flat earth map. There never will be. Because it's impossible. The non-existence of a fixed-scale flat earth map with the distances between cities and the relative sizes of continents being correct is the most obvious proof the earth is not flat.

But FE's are immune to logic.

Gleason's and other so-called "models" of "flat Earth maps" are simply copies such as The North Polar (or Unipolar ) Azimuthal Equidistant Projection ( One of many projections of the Globe. Any of them have severe distortions in some areas.)

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 05:58:24 AM

Quote from: wise on May 02, 2019, 03:15:37 AM

We know this game.

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You have to reply all the statements before ask something new. Till you reply all the statements one by one you have no right to ask anything else. This is a discussing and we are equal sides of this discussing. You are neither a lawyer quering me, nor a moderator who moderates this discussing. Now; turn to the issue and fight against the statements like a man! Till you reply all of them, I'll remind you as main task.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

You have been provided plenty of evidence that it exists. Enough for most people to say it has been proven to exist.

Nope. They were not evidences but a bunch of garbage like many things about this issue.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

Enough for most people to say it has been proven to exist.

So atheism is failed because of stayed minority, right?

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

As such, the burden is on you to show it doesn't exist, and that is something you are yet to do.

Again, since the upside claims are not evidences, I have nothing to show. Claims are not evidences. I can claim existance of Atlantis, and you can not prove its absence. So it is exist, so lets go to Atlantis this weekend.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

No, it does.

yes, it doesn't.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

If you wish to assert something anything doesn't exist, you have a burden to prove it doesn't.

Again and again, If you wish to assert something does exist, you have a burden to prove it does. You can not use something for negative sentences, but only positives.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

You can't simply assert things don't exist without any justification and pretend your position is justified.

You have to prove its existance first. I don't see any proof, anyone else see it?

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

Stop lying.

You are the biggest liar in this conversation has not a comparative property with me.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

Plenty of people have taken the flight.

Either nobody has taken this flight or Qantas has throwed them to Antarctica, because nobody hs landed to Santiago.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

(including some I know personally).

Especially you are a full of liar. If NASA pays you enough so you deny even the God.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

You could easily verify the flight's existence by taking it yourself.

Buying a ticket can not be an evidence. Company can find a reason to delay the flight or change the time or make it indirect flight. I'm not buying tickets from crooks and liars. sorry.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

You mean witness testimony, flight radar tracking and plenty of other things aren't evidence.

witness testimony is you and your salaraid friends; flight radar sometimes use datas got by aircraft companies that I showed its evidence that now you deny it; other things are your imagination not evidences but your being a liar.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

As for your pathetic appeals to video, if you want to apply that standard there are still hundreds of flights you need to provide video footage for.

There is not a pathetic full time video between Santiago and Sydney those your rich Australian friends flight there have millions of camera. GSM may be forbid but simple cameras are free to use. But you can not record a flight what absent.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

But more importantly, considering you dismiss so much as CGI, why wouldn't you just dismiss the video as CGI?

I am talking about a video shown by one of your friends claimed its existance by a cgi video. It was the only thing shown me as full time video between this path, and it was just a cgi like your own.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

Again, that is just your baseless claim.

Again, it is the truth you deny.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

The sole reason you have for claiming such garbage is because they show your claims to be pure BS.

The sole reason I have claiming this fact because it has proved by 100.000 flights and there is no evidence of its existance. You still support it because it suports your BS roundsomething lie.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

It may be the "real" distance according to your delusional map, but that doesn't make it the real distance in reality.

It is not delusional. It has created here online by using more than 100.000 flights. It is real, not delusional. If I remember it true so the map has a margin of error of average 1%.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

The flight times show that distance is BS.

100.000 flight time verifies it, and your garbage claim tries to deny it but unsuccesfull. Because your counter claims have not any evidence just some tickets. If I give you a ticket so can you shut up?

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

No, they don't.

Yes they do.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

The flights you have cherry picked (which you have failed to provide any more compelling evidence for than that which exists between Australia and South America and Africa) show that your map agrees to some extent.

Flat earth map is true and independent from your so called paths.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

Not perfectly.

Perfectly.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

This massive level of error means they can't show that it is actually true.

I don't see a mistake here but only your existance.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

Meanwhile, these flights that do exist, that you need to reject, show your map to be garbage.

Those claims of flights are just produces lies to deny the facts. But it has been failed because you can not support your garbage RE model.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

You have been provided with the evidence and you just choose to ignore it.

Nope. You are the biggest liar ever saying lie again. Nobody has provided any proof. Cgi animations can not be evidence. You can fool only yourself by using them.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

Even if these flights didn't exist, it wouldn't magically mean Earth is flat.

A good opening to agree their not being existance. Leave it to us to decide whether its being flat or not.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

Now, can you stop with the pathetic, childish BS and start actually rationally and honestly defending your claims?

Again and again, my map and the earths being flat has been verified by 100.000 flights all over the world. Your theory and the claim of existance of this path is which the thing be a BS garbage.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 02, 2019, 02:30:36 AM

Do you have any evidence at all to refute the existence of these flights?

Anything absent does not need to be proved. You have to prove their existance other than your garbage speeches.

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Because so far all the evidence points to their existence.

because so far there was not an evidence prove their existance. If it was so, but we have not saw them at all although followed the issue I think.

Just one little flaw.
Nothing connected with  airlines or oceanic travel prove the earth is flat.
Matter of fact , they all prove the earth is round. (The globe)

This means you can not fly between these cities less than 18-19 hours technically.

Well it can be achieved in 13.5 hours. Perhaps maybe the distance is shorter than what you think, and works with a different model?

I have personally flown from Sydney to Johannesburg, with a stopover in Perth. While I cannot remember exactly, it took around 12 hours from Perth. And, while the FE map would have us flying over Europe and Asia for the shortest distance, we flew over water the whole way. On top of that, at one point the captain alerted us to the fact that, due to prevailing winds, we were far enough south to see Antarctica on the horizon. To avoid any confusion, that was on the *left* side of the plane, i.e. towards the south. On the longer trip from Australia to South America, Antarctica is routinely visible, as great circle routes (for minimum fuel use) curve further south.

Would FEers accept my experience as "evidence" for a round earth?

I have personally flown from Sydney to Johannesburg, with a stopover in Perth. While I cannot remember exactly, it took around 12 hours from Perth. And, while the FE map would have us flying over Europe and Asia for the shortest distance, we flew over water the whole way. On top of that, at one point the captain alerted us to the fact that, due to prevailing winds, we were far enough south to see Antarctica on the horizon. To avoid any confusion, that was on the *left* side of the plane, i.e. towards the south. On the longer trip from Australia to South America, Antarctica is routinely visible, as great circle routes (for minimum fuel use) curve further south.

Would FEers accept my experience as "evidence" for a round earth?

Would FE's post their experiences as "evidence" for a flat earth which RE's would accept ?

I have personally flown from Sydney to Johannesburg, with a stopover in Perth. While I cannot remember exactly, it took around 12 hours from Perth. And, while the FE map would have us flying over Europe and Asia for the shortest distance, we flew over water the whole way. On top of that, at one point the captain alerted us to the fact that, due to prevailing winds, we were far enough south to see Antarctica on the horizon. To avoid any confusion, that was on the *left* side of the plane, i.e. towards the south. On the longer trip from Australia to South America, Antarctica is routinely visible, as great circle routes (for minimum fuel use) curve further south.

Would FEers accept my experience as "evidence" for a round earth?

Nope. Because pilots but not captains drive the aircrafts, you liar. 

Quote from: wise on May 02, 2019, 12:42:12 AM

This means you can not fly between these cities less than 18-19 hours technically.

Well it can be achieved in 13.5 hours. Perhaps maybe the distance is shorter than what you think, and works with a different model?

There is no evidence for this so called flight time.

Just one little flaw.
Nothing connected with  airlines or oceanic travel prove the earth is flat.
Matter of fact , they all prove the earth is round. (The globe)

All flights prove the earth is flat. Flights do not overlap with so called round model. Round model is just a hoax, and all we are knowing this truth. Stop to deceive people.