Mental illness/brain waves

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Mental illness/brain waves
« on: January 15, 2007, 10:42:49 PM »
Schizophrenia is characterized, among other things, by the sufferer hearing voices. I have always wondered if what could actually be happening is that their brains are actually picking up sounds from unknown frequencies. I have always been fascinated by autism and the savants who can remember entire phone books after flicking through them once. One theory is that their damaged brains are over compensating and there is a huge growth in the memory circuitry of their brain....but nothing is proven. We know so little about the brain. Chemistry imbalance in the brain is one area blamed for schizophrenia. Why do they hear voices?
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2007, 10:45:15 PM »
There was a case where someone had some metal filings accidentally implanted inbetween his teeth during oral surgery.  He picked up radio waves, and got to listen to music in his head, reportedly.

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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2007, 10:46:45 PM »
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There was a case where someone had some metal filings accidentally implanted inbetween his teeth during oral surgery.  He picked up radio waves, and got to listen to music in his head, reportedly.


Remember that other thread in which we were discussing how some stuff is impossible?
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2007, 10:49:23 PM »
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I have always wondered if what could actually be happening is that their brains are actually picking up sounds from unknown frequencies.


Who is speaking on these "unknown" frequencies?

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Why do they hear voices?


Schizophrenia is thought to be the condition of being unable to properly assign sensations to the categories of "external" and "internal".  Schizophrenics who hear voices are "hearing" their own thoughts, and not knowing that those thoughts are their own.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2007, 10:49:31 PM »
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There was a case where someone had some metal filings accidentally implanted inbetween his teeth during oral surgery.  He picked up radio waves, and got to listen to music in his head, reportedly.


Remember that other thread in which we were discussing how some stuff is impossible?


But I read it in a book, and that book had references, and I checked out the references; it is entirely possible, as it is documented.

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2007, 10:58:12 PM »
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But I read it in a book, and that book had references, and I checked out the references; it is entirely possible, as it is documented.


Okay, how did it work?  How did it pass particular frequency bands, or was the dude made to suffer from listening to a cacophony of all radio stations at once?  Where did the power for amplification come from?
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2007, 11:01:27 PM »
Who is speaking on these other frequencies?.....I know.....dead people!
Only joking....who do you do the thing where you directly answer the quote? Please help I can't find it on my screen?? Yes I'm a girl...
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2007, 11:07:00 PM »
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But I read it in a book, and that book had references, and I checked out the references; it is entirely possible, as it is documented.


Okay, how did it work?  How did it pass particular frequency bands, or was the dude made to suffer from listening to a cacophony of all radio stations at once?  Where did the power for amplification come from?


I don't have my references, so I don't know.  But I could find out for you next time I go home.

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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2007, 12:50:40 PM »
i saw on the mythbusters that plants can sense people.


they hooked up a lie detector and this one guy thought of burning the plant and the lie detector thing went up it was cool. one day your plants will get you
he kinds of equations that they have now are the kinds of equations you would get in an approximation scheme to some underlying theory, but nobody knows what the underlying theory is.

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2007, 01:10:34 PM »
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I don't have my references, so I don't know.  But I could find out for you next time I go home.

Lucille Ball claimed it happened to her on The Dick Cavett Show.


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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2007, 01:35:03 PM »
God talks to me at night and tells me to do bad things. :cry:

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2007, 02:01:34 PM »
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i saw on the mythbusters that plants can sense people.


they hooked up a lie detector and this one guy thought of burning the plant and the lie detector thing went up it was cool. one day your plants will get you


There is a lot more to this.  I wouldn't know about plants reading humans' thoughts, but plants do greatly react to our presence.  That old question of "If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" should be familiar.  It does indeed make a sound (although, there is no one there to hear it, of course), but the sound it makes is different because in presence of humans, plants--especially trees--tense up.  In absence of humans, trees tend to be more flexible.  I've heard recordings from experiments in a study on this, and a falling tree sounds more like wind in absence of humans, rather than that creaky-snappy business that you might have heard if you've ever seen a tree fall.  It's really interesting, actually.

I really wonder what kind of stimulus receptors that plants have that allow them to be able to sense us like they do.  I'm not quite sure if this whole thing is limited to just humans, or any wildlife either.  If I were more interested in botany, it would definitely be something I'd study.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2007, 02:03:31 PM »
I'd think that the "tensing up" would be self-defense.

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2007, 02:05:56 PM »
I don't know about that.  It's not like tensing up protects against a dude with an axe, or a beaver or whatever.  It's some other kind of reaction.  It's more like literal stress; animals, or at least humans, stress trees out.  I don't think anyone really knows why they do it.
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2007, 05:35:55 PM »
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Why do they hear voices?


They are hearing voices from another dimension, or parallel universe perhaps.

Theories abound about the existence of multiple or even infinite universes co-existing in the same place but in different dimensions or alternate plains, could it be that these people are unwittingly breaching these alternate realities?  In a sense their minds are co-existing in multiple plains of reality yet their bodies remain in their current one so they are actually hearing real voices.

Of course the dead people theory could be equally valid.  Who knows what happens when you die, what id the afterlife like?  Do you get to wander around for a while?  Maybe some people are hearing the 'talk of the dead' (oooh, spooky!)  Just because we don't know about something, does not necessarily make it impossible or improbable.
e fail English? That's unpossible!

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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2007, 05:51:12 PM »
or maby they are crazy.
he kinds of equations that they have now are the kinds of equations you would get in an approximation scheme to some underlying theory, but nobody knows what the underlying theory is.

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2007, 06:04:43 PM »
Quote from: "sodapop112"
or maby they are crazy.


But are they actually?  Crazy to us maybe but if what I theorised earlier is true, not so crazy!

Now here's something else to consider...  Think about your TV, if you are running a rabbit ear antenna, you have to adjust it to pick up the best signal right?  Well how many times have you got the picture perfect only to have it turn to crap once you move away?  You are effectively acting as a booster for the antenna!  Therefore it is entirely possible for human beings to pick up radio signals considering the millions of transmissions flying about the place.
e fail English? That's unpossible!

Believing is seeing the things which we don't believe we're seeing.... or something like that.

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2007, 06:09:14 PM »
how come scientists can't pick up the signals i heard that they r smart
he kinds of equations that they have now are the kinds of equations you would get in an approximation scheme to some underlying theory, but nobody knows what the underlying theory is.

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2007, 06:37:19 PM »
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how come scientists can't pick up the signals i heard that they r smart


Perhaps a schizophrenic scientist could....
e fail English? That's unpossible!

Believing is seeing the things which we don't believe we're seeing.... or something like that.

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2007, 06:57:36 PM »
Thank you for being so brave Big Giant Head. Yes parallel universes could indeed exist. I read ages ago in a time magazine how scientists did some experiment with shining a light through a pinpoint in a piece of paper and somehow seeing a shadow or something which could only be explained by a parallel universe. I wish I could remember the premise a little better. Does anyone know what it was?
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2007, 07:56:34 PM »
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Thank you for being so brave Big Giant Head. Yes parallel universes could indeed exist. I read ages ago in a time magazine how scientists did some experiment with shining a light through a pinpoint in a piece of paper and somehow seeing a shadow or something which could only be explained by a parallel universe. I wish I could remember the premise a little better. Does anyone know what it was?


This isn't exactly the story you're referring to I don't think however it does make for some interesting reading...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,996608,00.html
e fail English? That's unpossible!

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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2007, 10:13:30 PM »
You are right BGH it wasn't the story but thanks for the link. I might get on google and try to find it myself. It was something to do with the shadow of an electron being seen when no one could see the electron. It was written about 1996/97.
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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2007, 12:40:25 PM »
Schizophrenia is a little more complex than this.
ah.

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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2007, 01:18:13 PM »
aparently some plants actualy have an IQ because of their ability to react to certain stimulus, but thats just silly
Easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679

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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2007, 01:23:22 PM »
Sorry, MythBuster's don't count.

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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2007, 09:16:59 AM »
It's pretty impossible for a brain to exhibit the functions necessary to pick up and decipher radio waves into sound waves btw.

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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2007, 09:17:50 AM »
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aparently some plants actualy have an IQ because of their ability to react to certain stimulus, but thats just silly


it's not uncommon for cells to react to stimuli. They are after all, alive.

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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2007, 09:18:26 AM »
Quote from: "weevil"
Thank you for being so brave Big Giant Head. Yes parallel universes could indeed exist. I read ages ago in a time magazine how scientists did some experiment with shining a light through a pinpoint in a piece of paper and somehow seeing a shadow or something which could only be explained by a parallel universe. I wish I could remember the premise a little better. Does anyone know what it was?



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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2007, 09:40:22 AM »
Quote from: "sodapop112"
i saw on the mythbusters that plants can sense people.


they hooked up a lie detector and this one guy thought of burning the plant and the lie detector thing went up it was cool. one day your plants will get you



You weren't paying attention:

    "Although they had interesting results with the first couple of experiments, they felt that it was probably interference from vibration, electromagnetics, or themselves that skewed the instruments. Once they were able to remove these variables from the setup, they weren't able to get the same results."


Quote from: "thedigitalnomad"
There is a lot more to this.  I wouldn't know about plants reading humans' thoughts, but plants do greatly react to our presence.  That old question of "If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" should be familiar.  It does indeed make a sound (although, there is no one there to hear it, of course), but the sound it makes is different because in presence of humans, plants--especially trees--tense up.  In absence of humans, trees tend to be more flexible.  I've heard recordings from experiments in a study on this, and a falling tree sounds more like wind in absence of humans, rather than that creaky-snappy business that you might have heard if you've ever seen a tree fall.  It's really interesting, actually.

I really wonder what kind of stimulus receptors that plants have that allow them to be able to sense us like they do.  I'm not quite sure if this whole thing is limited to just humans, or any wildlife either.  If I were more interested in botany, it would definitely be something I'd study.


Please tell me you're joking. Here's a thought: those falling trees that sounded like "wind" were actually... WIND!

You are joking right?

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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2007, 08:17:01 PM »
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I'm not schizophrenic
If the voices are true

Parallel dimensions don't actually converge at the horizon; it's merely an allusion.

Also, I prefer this version; If a tree falls on the florist; does chocolate sound better for St Valentines' Day?
 believe that; the Earth is flat until such time as I stand within the Space Station and personally see that it is a Globe.
or that the Earth is a sphere until such time as I stand upon the Icewall and personally see that it is a Flat Disk.