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« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2007, 02:23:42 PM »
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Here's an explanation for you.

 "gravitational lens is formed when the light from a very distant, bright source (such as a quasar) is "bent" around a massive object (such as a massive galaxy) between the source object and the observer. The process is known as gravitational lensing"

How does this even remotely relate to question?


Why should gravitational lensing only occur with stars in other parts of the galaxy?

What is the difference between our sun and other stars?

Why shouldn't it occur with our sun as well? Light is light, mass is mass, after all.

Applying the MOND gravitational lensing equation locally, the spotlight effect is accurately described.



Just in case you try to edit your way out of this.

So once again the RE laws have been magically changed & the sun is no longer a spotlight, but it is a star that has gravity.
How can this be???
Tom do you have authority to make all of these crucial changes to RE science?

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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2007, 02:23:50 PM »
The sun is not a physical spotlight with shutters and all. No where in FE literature does it say that. The "spotlight" is just an allegory due to the sun's effects on the earth.

Gravitational lensing describes these effects accurately, if applied locally.

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« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2007, 02:26:59 PM »
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Tom do you have authority to make all of these crucial changes to RE science?

Changes to RE science?


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« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2007, 02:30:59 PM »
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Tom do you have authority to make all of these crucial changes to RE science?

Changes to RE science?


Sorry engineer but that argument is way past it's used by date.
An equivalent in RE would be scientists announcing everyday a new colour for the sky.

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« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2007, 02:38:59 PM »
Quote from: "Tom Bishop"
The sun is not a physical spotlight with shutters and all. No where in FE literature does it say that. The "spotlight" is just an allegory due to the sun's effects on the earth.

Gravitational lensing describes these effects accurately, if applied locally.


Re Gravitational Lensing, what is the source light? What is the massive amount of gravity between it & the viewer?
Also how can this occur over a distance of 31 miles?

Re the sun, it has always been described as flat. How can a star with gravity be flat?
Additionally GL does not explain a star's light being concentrated into a beam.

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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2007, 02:44:37 PM »
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Re Gravitational Lensing, what is the source light?


Light comes from the object.

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What is the massive amount of gravity between it & the viewer?


I've stated many times in this thread, gravity and acceleration are indistinguishable both physically and mathematically. The Sun and Moon are accelerating with the Earth.

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Additionally GL does not explain a star's light being concentrated into a beam.


The light isn't turned into a beam, its direction is given a parabolic mirror effect.

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« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2007, 02:52:35 PM »
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Re Gravitational Lensing, what is the source light?


Light comes from the object.

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What is the massive amount of gravity between it & the viewer?


I've stated many times in this thread, gravity and acceleration are indistinguishable both physically and mathematically. The Sun and Moon are accelerating with the Earth.

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Additionally GL does not explain a star's light being concentrated into a beam.


The light isn't turned into a beam, its direction is given a parabolic mirror effect.


Have another go Tom. You have not addressed the questions & have explained nothing!

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« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2007, 02:55:58 PM »
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I've stated many times in this thread, gravity and acceleration are indistinguishable. The Sun and Moon are accelerating with the Earth.
I have a question regarding this.. if the Earth is moving up at a speed of ....MPH and counting, and a meteorite hits it. Shouldnt there be a hell of a lot more damage seeing as theyre both going really fast towards each other. If a car hits a motionless car head on there is damage but there is more if they are both moving fast towards each other. Explain why there isnt more damage please.

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« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2007, 02:59:35 PM »
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Have another go Tom. You have not addressed the questions & have explained nothing!


Perhaps you should attend a physics class at your local community college.

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« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2007, 03:04:08 PM »
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Have another go Tom. You have not addressed the questions & have explained nothing!


Perhaps you should attend a physics class at your local community college.


I'll put it as simply as I can for you because I know you're having trouble.

GL requires 3 points of reference. What are your 3 points of reference.

Also what exactly is a parabolic mirror effect? A beam?

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« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2007, 03:13:04 PM »
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Tom do you have authority to make all of these crucial changes to RE science?

Changes to RE science?


Sorry engineer but that argument is way past it's used by date.
An equivalent in RE would be scientists announcing everyday a new colour for the sky.

At least two times in this thread, you stated RE science, when one would assume you were talking about FE science.  I wanted clarification.


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« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2007, 03:15:52 PM »
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I've stated many times in this thread, gravity and acceleration are indistinguishable. The Sun and Moon are accelerating with the Earth.

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I have a question regarding this.. if the Earth is moving up at a speed of ....MPH and counting, and a meteorite hits it. Shouldnt there be a hell of a lot more damage seeing as theyre both going really fast towards each other. If a car hits a motionless car head on there is damage but there is more if they are both moving fast towards each other. Explain why there isnt more damage please.

The meteorites are not stationary.


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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2007, 03:19:44 PM »
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Quote from: "MMMM"
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Quote from: "MMMM"

Tom do you have authority to make all of these crucial changes to RE science?

Changes to RE science?


Sorry engineer but that argument is way past it's used by date.
An equivalent in RE would be scientists announcing everyday a new colour for the sky.

At least two times in this thread, you stated RE science, when one would assume you were talking about FE science.  I wanted clarification.


Apologies Engineer, you are indeed correct. I was just so used your argument about FE science developing the same way that RE science does.
Thanks for the correction.

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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2007, 03:21:28 PM »
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The Earth is flat. The moon is a sphere.

Due to gravitational lensing, the moon acts as a spotlight on the earth.


WTF you guys don't believe in gravity correctly anyways, yet you use it in your absurd theory?

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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2007, 03:25:44 PM »
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I've stated many times in this thread, gravity and acceleration are indistinguishable. The Sun and Moon are accelerating with the Earth.
I have a question regarding this.. if the Earth is moving up at a speed of ....MPH and counting, and a meteorite hits it. Shouldnt there be a hell of a lot more damage seeing as theyre both going really fast towards each other. If a car hits a motionless car head on there is damage but there is more if they are both moving fast towards each other. Explain why there isnt more damage please.


its a conundrum explained easily.  you see, the earth, moon, and sun are all accelerating as you've said, and so is every other planet and star in the universe.  the dark energy causing all things to be in this constant "universal" state also effects meteorites (dark energy doesnt discriminate against anything apart from all life on earth, as we're "just along for the ride" apparently).  both objects in this case, earth and meteorite, are, with respect to eachother, accelerating at the same rate, so this variable has no greater impact (haha pun!) on the meteorites collision with the earth.

i can say it in a more clear way but im so tired!  i havent had any pro plus pills in what seems like days!  it remains a brilliant drug, im still a fan :D
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« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2007, 03:28:15 PM »
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The Earth is flat. The moon is a sphere.

Due to gravitational lensing, the moon acts as a spotlight on the earth.


WTF you guys don't believe in gravity correctly anyways, yet you use it in your absurd theory?


No that has been one of the many recent changes to FE. They now think that everything else has gravity except for the earth, the flat sun & flat moon.
Although now Tom has changed it again, & the sun is now a flat star with gravity which somehow through GL produces a parabolic mirror effect that is not a beam.
Simple.

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« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2007, 03:30:04 PM »
Point and Set.

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« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2007, 03:35:12 PM »
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Quote from: "Kwaun Se"
Quote from: "Tom Bishop"
The Earth is flat. The moon is a sphere.

Due to gravitational lensing, the moon acts as a spotlight on the earth.


WTF you guys don't believe in gravity correctly anyways, yet you use it in your absurd theory?


No that has been one of the many recent changes to FE. They now think that everything else has gravity except for the earth, the flat sun & flat moon.
Although now Tom has changed it again, & the sun is now a flat star with gravity which somehow through GL produces a parabolic mirror effect that is not a beam.
Simple.


Why do that? It makes sense so much more and is retarded to think that stars aren't round. Why would Earth be any different? Almost all FEers aren't religious, so there is no creationism element in their earth model either.

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« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2007, 03:40:07 PM »
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I've stated many times in this thread, gravity and acceleration are indistinguishable. The Sun and Moon are accelerating with the Earth.
I have a question regarding this.. if the Earth is moving up at a speed of ....MPH and counting, and a meteorite hits it. Shouldnt there be a hell of a lot more damage seeing as theyre both going really fast towards each other. If a car hits a motionless car head on there is damage but there is more if they are both moving fast towards each other. Explain why there isnt more damage please.


its a conundrum explained easily.  you see, the earth, moon, and sun are all accelerating as you've said, and so is every other planet and star in the universe.  the dark energy causing all things to be in this constant "universal" state also effects meteorites (dark energy doesnt discriminate against anything apart from all life on earth, as we're "just along for the ride" apparently).  both objects in this case, earth and meteorite, are, with respect to eachother, accelerating at the same rate, so this variable has no greater impact (haha pun!) on the meteorites collision with the earth.

i can say it in a more clear way but im so tired!  i havent had any pro plus pills in what seems like days!  it remains a brilliant drug, im still a fan :D


But that can't make sense if the meteorites are Hitting the Earth unless Dark Energy is pushing down too, which i think would result in us being flattened.

And engineer, i never said they were stationary , but in your theory, the Earth is moving up towards the meteorite at the same time as the meteorite is moving down at very fast speeds.

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« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2007, 03:41:09 PM »
The meteorite isn't "moving down". Its rate of acceleration has simply been slowed by something.

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« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2007, 03:41:20 PM »
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GL requires 3 points of reference. What are your 3 points of reference.


Why don't you do a little introspection for yourself and imagine where light could originate from, bounced off the moon.

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Why do that? It makes sense so much more and is retarded to think that stars aren't round. Why would Earth be any different?


Near uniform flatness could be caused by spin. The solar system is a disk. The galaxy is a disk. Why could not the earth be a disk?

This spin can be directly observed with a Foucault Pendulum.

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« Reply #51 on: January 16, 2007, 03:50:47 PM »
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GL requires 3 points of reference. What are your 3 points of reference.


Why don't you do a little introspection for yourself and imagine where light could originate from, bounced off the moon.



Tom, please take your medication. Apart from the fact that light bounced off the moon is reflection not GL, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SUN!!!!!

There is no shame if you can't answer the question, only if you continually try to cover up your glaringly obvious ignorance with irrelevant waffle.

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« Reply #52 on: January 16, 2007, 03:55:45 PM »
The Solar System is not a disc. It is simple a set of orbits that the planets follow. Pluto (if you still consider it a planet after what happens) has a really offset orbit compared to that of the rest of the solar system, and every orbit is a little off.

The Galaxy is a "disc" for the same reason, it isn't perfectly flat, nor is it solid. It is simply a collection of star systems that rotate around the center (speculated to be a super massive black hole) in the same fashion as the solar system. That does not mean the stars and planets would be "disc's".

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« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2007, 03:59:12 PM »
If the Dark Energy can push the Earth up at increasing speeds of 9.8m/s/s how could something slow down something considerably smaller except for Dark Energy?

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« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2007, 04:03:35 PM »
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If the Dark Energy can push the Earth up at increasing speeds of 9.8m/s/s how could something slow down something considerably smaller except for Dark Energy?


its anti-dark energy - dark energy's sister and greatest enemy.  like a really ugly sister no one pays attention to cos they're just way too ugly, you know? so she grows into a total biatch an tries to bring everyone down to her level. :P

EDIT:  she's only strong enough to have an effect on space debris.
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« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2007, 05:44:01 PM »
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WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SUN!!!!!


Well the topic of this thread was about the moon. So I decided to focus on light's effect on the moon.

In the case of the sun, light would originate within the Sun's core and have to travel through it's own hydrogen chromosphere and photosphere. After this the light must travel towards the earth.

Since, in the place of gravity we have acceleration, the parabolic mirror effect could be analogous to trailing your finger through calm water. Your finger would be the sun, and the water's wake would be the shape of light distortion. Whatever is following behind your finger, in this case the earth, would see the area near the finger in a convexed shape.

Simply extrapolate this effect to a three dimensional environment, perhaps imagining a ball traveling through water, and you have a convincing argument for the spotlight effect.

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« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2007, 05:52:18 PM »
holy crap you sound too smart i cant' say anything to counter that ( not that i could)
he kinds of equations that they have now are the kinds of equations you would get in an approximation scheme to some underlying theory, but nobody knows what the underlying theory is.

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« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2007, 06:20:47 PM »
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No that has been one of the many recent changes to FE. They now think that everything else has gravity except for the earth, the flat sun & flat moon.
Although now Tom has changed it again, & the sun is now a flat star with gravity which somehow through GL produces a parabolic mirror effect that is not a beam.
Simple.


Stop acting like you know everything about FE, when you joined 10 days ago. You are ridiculous. Believe it or not, there are multiple theories about  lots of things. Including RE. and even your precious Round Earth Theory is modified as more information comes to hand. Stop acting like a pompous idiot.

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« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2007, 06:21:18 PM »
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"Both moon and sun are turned into spotlights by gravitational lensing."

"Why should gravitational lensing only occur with stars in other parts of the galaxy?

What is the difference between our sun and other stars?

Why shouldn't it occur with our sun as well? Light is light, mass is mass, after all.

Applying the MOND gravitational lensing equation locally, the spotlight effect is accurately described."

The sun is not a physical spotlight with shutters and all. No where in FE literature does it say that. The "spotlight" is just an allegory due to the sun's effects on the earth.

"Gravitational lensing describes these effects accurately, if applied locally."

"I've stated many times in this thread, gravity and acceleration are indistinguishable both physically and mathematically. The Sun and Moon are accelerating with the Earth."

" Well the topic of this thread was about the moon. So I decided to focus on light's effect on the moon.

In the case of the sun, light would originate within the Sun's core and have to travel through it's own hydrogen chromosphere and photosphere. After this the light must travel towards the earth.

Since, in the place of gravity we have acceleration, the parabolic mirror effect could be analogous to trailing your finger through calm water. Your finger would be the sun, and the water's wake would be the shape of light distortion. Whatever is following behind your finger, in this case the earth, would see the area near the finger in a convexed shape.

Simply extrapolate this effect to a three dimensional environment, perhaps imagining a ball traveling through water, and you have a convincing argument for the spotlight effect."



You have such a logical argument process Tom.

As is proven with the above, you really have no idea & you are just making it up as you go!
As for this hour's theory,(ie "imagining a ball traveling through water, and you have a convincing argument for the spotlight effect.") you're now saying that we are all travelling faster than the speed of light? This is the only way that this could be!

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« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2007, 06:21:42 PM »
^^^ holy shit u fux0red that  1 up
he kinds of equations that they have now are the kinds of equations you would get in an approximation scheme to some underlying theory, but nobody knows what the underlying theory is.

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