So how do two people hundreds of miles away from each other

both see the moon as being round. Surely one would just see it as a line.

The Iluminati have mirrors set up on lighter than air machines set up so every one sees the same moon disc!

both see the moon as being round. Surely one would just see it as a line.

How does one person view the moon from two angles hundreds of miles apart?

both see the moon as being round. Surely one would just see it as a line.

Of course they wouldn't.  They'd both see a round moon.  Didn't you read the FAQ?

the Illuminati are closing in.

This thread is shit and pointless. It contributes nothing to the debates.

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both see the moon as being round. Surely one would just see it as a line.

I'd like to hear an answer on this as well.
They probably would not see just a line but the closer it got to the horizon the flatter(ie more oval) it would look.

Also what gives the sun it's spotlight properties? Does it have a giant parabolic mirror behind it?

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both see the moon as being round. Surely one would just see it as a line.

I'd like to hear an answer on this as well.
They probably would not see just a line but the closer it got to the horizon the flatter(ie more oval) it would look.

Also what gives the sun it's spotlight properties? Does it have a giant parabolic mirror behind it?

Anyone? Anyone?

Come on Tom, I can't wait to hear what you make up for this one.

The Earth is flat. The moon is a sphere.

Due to gravitational lensing, the moon acts as a spotlight on the earth.

The Earth is flat. The moon is a sphere.

Due to gravitational lensing, the moon acts as a spotlight on the earth.

How does Gravitaional Lensing turn the moon into a spotlight?

And as per the original question, what about the sun?

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The Earth is flat. The moon is a sphere.

Due to gravitational lensing, the moon acts as a spotlight on the earth.

How does Gravitaional Lensing turn the moon into a spotlight?

And as per the original question, what about the sun?

Check your personal messages.

On a side note, Tom, gravity has to exist for there to be gravitational lensing.

ahaha, Tom, you got served.

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The Earth is flat. The moon is a sphere.

Due to gravitational lensing, the moon acts as a spotlight on the earth.

How does Gravitational Lensing turn the moon into a spotlight?

And as per the original question, what about the sun?

Both moon and sun are turned into spotlights by gravitational lensing.

The gravitational lensing equation is as follows:

arcsec for the deflection angle of a ray grazing the moon\sun (here M  and R are the mass and the radius of the moon\sun, c  and G  are the velocity of light and the gravitational constant, respectively.)

On a side note, Tom, gravity has to exist for there to be gravitational lensing.

Gravitational lensing still works since accelerating frame of references are indistinguishable to gravity.

But you don't believe in gravity, so that's false. Unless you are tossing out physics and replacing it with your own at points.

And how does it still work in an acceleration POV? The only thing generating gravity would be the earth by AU, but if you could watch a black hole passes over a source of light, you would see lensing there too. So if you don't believe in gravity and you only believe in the AU, then explain how that happens?

And how do spotlights have gravity?  :lol:

But you don't believe in gravity, so that's false. Unless you are tossing out physics and replacing it with your own at points.

The mechanism for gravity is not explained in RE. One can only measure its effects.

General Relativity states that accelerating reference frames and frames undergoing gravitational attraction are indistiguishable.

And how do spotlights have gravity?

The spotlights don't have gravity, but they have acceleration (which is indistinguishable from gravity).

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But you don't believe in gravity, so that's false. Unless you are tossing out physics and replacing it with your own at points.

The mechanism for gravity is not explained in RE. One can only measure its effects.

General Relativity states that accelerating reference frames and frames undergoing gravitational attraction are indistiguishable.

You distinctly included gravity in your equation. If gravity doesn't exist in the FE model, your equation doesn't work.

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But you don't believe in gravity, so that's false. Unless you are tossing out physics and replacing it with your own at points.

The mechanism for gravity is not explained in RE. One can only measure its effects.

General Relativity states that accelerating reference frames and frames undergoing gravitational attraction are indistinguishable.

You distinctly included gravity in your equation. If gravity doesn't exist in the RE model, your equation doesn't work.

The equations for gravity and the equation for the accelerating earth can be regarded as the same equation.

Sorry, I said RE by accident, it should read FE, I edited to make my argument correct.

And no they aren't.

Also, explain how as you increase altitude, you're weight decreases (due to less gravity) on the RE model? If the earth was flat, UA would make it uniform at any elevation.

And no they aren't.

Yes they are. What part of indistinguishable do you not understand?

Also, explain how as you increase altitude, you're weight decreases (due to less gravity) on the RE model? If the earth was flat, UA would make it uniform at any elevation.

Have you tested this for yourself?

Yes, back in High school. We had a scale that could sitinguish the difference in gravity very accurately. Literally from the bottom floor to the top there was a measurable difference.

Also, here's an example of a gravity map.
http://www.physorg.com/news8729.html

Sorry, I said RE by accident, it should read FE, I edited to make my argument correct.

And no they aren't.

Also, explain how as you increase altitude, you're weight decreases (due to less gravity) on the RE model? If the earth was flat, UA would make it uniform at any elevation.

Not if people were effected by gravity as well. FE theory doesn't say that there is no gravity. Just that the attraction between things and earth isn't caused primarily by gravity.

You missed the point. I don't care about that. My focal point was the difference in gravity at some points, and how the force of gravity weakens as you increase in altitude. In the FE model, this wouldn't matter, the UA would accelerate everything uniformly.

Hara Taiki, nihongo ha  hanasemasu ka? Watashi ha colorado-daigaku no butsurigakusei de, nihongo ga sukoshi wakarimasu.  chikyu ha tentai de ha nai gakusetsu ha honti ni ichiban omoshiroi yonda koto mono desu.  kono hito ha genzai sundeimasu ka?

This thread is shit and pointless. It contributes nothing to the debates.

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Like you. LOLR0R

The Iluminati have mirrors set up on lighter than air machines set up so every one sees the same moon disc!

 :lol: haha! nice..!

Hara Taiki, nihongo ha  hanasemasu ka? Watashi ha colorado-daigaku no butsurigakusei de, nihongo ga sukoshi wakarimasu.  chikyu ha tentai de ha nai gakusetsu ha honti ni ichiban omoshiroi yonda koto mono desu.  kono hito ha genzai sundeimasu ka?

Can you put that in japanese characters so I can get a rough translation? There seems to be a lacking in romanji translators. lol

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The Earth is flat. The moon is a sphere.

Due to gravitational lensing, the moon acts as a spotlight on the earth.

How does Gravitational Lensing turn the moon into a spotlight?

And as per the original question, what about the sun?

Both moon and sun are turned into spotlights by gravitational lensing.

The gravitational lensing equation is as follows:

arcsec for the deflection angle of a ray grazing the moon\sun (here M  and R are the mass and the radius of the moon\sun, c  and G  are the velocity of light and the gravitational constant, respectively.)

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On a side note, Tom, gravity has to exist for there to be gravitational lensing.

Gravitational lensing still works since accelerating frame of references are indistinguishable to gravity.

Tom, it's all very well to throw in a scientific term to try & prove a point, but you clearly have no idea what gravitational lensing is.

Here's an explanation for you.

 "gravitational lens is formed when the light from a very distant, bright source (such as a quasar) is "bent" around a massive object (such as a massive galaxy) between the source object and the observer. The process is known as gravitational lensing"

How does this even remotely relate to question?

Here's an explanation for you.

 "gravitational lens is formed when the light from a very distant, bright source (such as a quasar) is "bent" around a massive object (such as a massive galaxy) between the source object and the observer. The process is known as gravitational lensing"

How does this even remotely relate to question?

Why should gravitational lensing only occur with stars in other parts of the galaxy?

What is the difference between our sun and other stars?

Why shouldn't it occur with our sun as well? Light is light, mass is mass, after all.

Applying the MOND gravitational lensing equation locally, the spotlight effect is accurately described.

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Here's an explanation for you.

 "gravitational lens is formed when the light from a very distant, bright source (such as a quasar) is "bent" around a massive object (such as a massive galaxy) between the source object and the observer. The process is known as gravitational lensing"

How does this even remotely relate to question?

Why should gravitational lensing only occur with stars in other parts of the galaxy? Why shouldn't it occur locally as well?

What is the difference between our sun and other stars?

So once again the RE laws have been magically changed & the sun is no longer a spotlight, but it is a star that has gravity.
How can this be???
Tom do you have authority to make all of these crucial changes to RE science?