"Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection

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"Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« on: February 13, 2019, 10:33:01 PM »
Phew is so powerful.. :')

Globers... Please go home  8) 

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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2019, 12:28:24 AM »
Conventional FE too. It's also the source of LIES ~
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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2019, 12:38:48 AM »
Phew is so powerful.. :')

Globers... Please go home  8) 



Phew is so powerfully incorrect.

I think it's called a "sun dog", look it up.

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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2019, 03:20:45 AM »
@Stash

Good to you having sense of humour.  8)

As you can read, it's mentioned by the author in the description:

"The sun on the right hand side is our normal sun, the same sun that can be seen daily all over the world. The sun on the left is the "so-called "midnight sun"
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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2019, 10:38:23 AM »
I took this photo 6 weeks ago, we get these regularly.  I can’t get it to post the picture however.

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/qnRJejr

Three Suns!!
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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2019, 11:47:13 AM »
Danang is getting lazy. His trolling used to just suck ... now it really sucks.

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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2019, 12:41:00 PM »
Phew is so powerful.. :')
Is that because you keep bringing it up even after it has repeatedly been refuted?

You claim it is the midnight sun, but I see no evidence for that at all.

It is just a somewhat common occurrence of the sun reflecting off clouds.

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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2019, 01:11:06 PM »
Reflecttion is reflection. Refraction is refraction. If it's visibly 'near' from sun as the main source, it's called Sundog. If it's far from the sun, it can be called anything: 'second sun' or 'another sun' or 'midnight sun' depending where you live, regardless the terminology is correct or not.  8)
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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2019, 01:14:52 PM »
It takes a LOCAL sun to give such sundog sights.
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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2019, 01:23:05 PM »
It takes a LOCAL sun to give such sundog sights.

Has nothing to do with whether the sun is in your postal code or not.

From NOAA:

"Sundogs are colored spots of light that develop due to the refraction of light through ice crystals. They are located approximately 22 degrees either left, right, or both, from the sun, depending on where the ice crystals are present. The colors usually go from red closest to the sun, out to blue on the outside of the sundog. Sundogs are also known as mock suns or parhelia, which means "with the sun"."

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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2019, 03:13:47 PM »
Reflecttion is reflection. Refraction is refraction. If it's visibly 'near' from sun as the main source, it's called Sundog. If it's far from the sun, it can be called anything: 'second sun' or 'another sun' or 'midnight sun' depending where you live, regardless the terminology is correct or not.  8)
And you are yet to show this can be the midnight sun. Instead you have a reflection/refraction near to the sun.

It takes a LOCAL sun to give such sundog sights.
Why?

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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2019, 06:12:36 PM »
This is what I observed on the sun:

The sun position is possibly behind a tranparent lense between us and sun.



Sundog occurs when the sun light is not fully refracted by the *ceiling* firmament due to the block of the lense.

While midnight sun is the reflection of the full sun light at the *dome* firmament, without getting blocked by the lense except in morning time which is called 'sundog'.

Distant sun with parallel light + ice crystals cannot produce such sights.
Only creating brighness with gradual changing rate of intensity according to the position.

PS.
I mentioned *ceiling (flat) firmament* and *dome (curved) firmament*.
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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2019, 06:17:44 PM »
There was video that showed the sun appears at the east and west at the same time.
This is similar to midnight sun phenomenon.

They're the true sun + the sun reflection to the dome.
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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2019, 11:52:15 PM »
No objection?
Okay, let me give a newer, better interpretation than the description above >> THE SUN STAYS IN A TRANSPARENT SPHERE LIKE A LAMP



The sundog light journey steps:
a) from the sun, b) to the dome firmament behind the sun, c) to the ceiling firmament and d) to observers eyes
The sun light ain't wholly pass to observers eyes due to block from the transparent sphere.
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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2019, 12:00:19 AM »
No objection?
Okay, let me give a newer, better interpretation than the description above >> THE SUN STAYS IN A TRANSPARENT SPHERE LIKE A LAMP



The sundog light journey steps:
a) from the sun, b) to the dome firmament behind the sun, c) to the ceiling firmament and d) to observers eyes
The sun light ain't wholly pass to observers eyes due to block from the transparent sphere.

Can you show a diagram of your better explanation?

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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2019, 02:02:39 AM »
Here it is Stash

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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2019, 02:06:39 AM »
Here it is Stash

Hey, impressive Danang. Thanks for doing that.

I think the question becomes, why don't we see 'sun dogs' all of the time?

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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2019, 02:24:19 AM »
Here it is Stash

Hey, impressive Danang. Thanks for doing that.

I think the question becomes, why don't we see 'sun dogs' all of the time?

You're welcome, Stash.
Hopefully in the future I'll come to a conclusion about what you inquired. More research is needed.
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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2019, 02:31:40 AM »
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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2019, 02:56:19 AM »
Here it is Stash

Hey, impressive Danang. Thanks for doing that.

I think the question becomes, why don't we see 'sun dogs' all of the time?

You're welcome, Stash.
Hopefully in the future I'll come to a conclusion about what you inquired. More research is needed.

Super fair. We all appreciate when someone puts in the effort to demonstrate and/or exemplify their hypothesis/notion/assertion. It makes us all step back and take notice of the world around us. Not just to question, but to marvel as well.

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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2019, 12:10:06 PM »
While midnight sun is the reflection of the full sun light at the *dome* firmament
And just when does it magically transition?
Remember, people have observed it all the way around.

Distant sun with parallel light + ice crystals cannot produce such sights.
Care to explain why?

Here it is Stash
Can you do it for the entire Earth, from the centre to the edge?

Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2019, 04:36:56 PM »
Here it is Stash


with the sun under the dome and heat reflecting as light how can it get that cold. where does all the heat go?
The the universe has no obligation to makes sense to you.
The earth is a globe.

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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2019, 01:07:14 AM »
While midnight sun is the reflection of the full sun light at the *dome* firmament
And just when does it magically transition?
Remember, people have observed it all the way around.

Distant sun with parallel light + ice crystals cannot produce such sights.
Care to explain why?

Here it is Stash
Can you do it for the entire Earth, from the centre to the edge?

- The transition might be visible as shown by video, might be not very visible due to overlapping between the real sun and its reflection. It takes thorough obsevation to see the transition.

- The ice crystals are scattered with relatively the same distant among those. This makes the sun light is reflected with different rates of distance of journey which consequently gives different light intensities. The more distant the sun light travels, the more absorbed by the air, and the less intensity at observers eyes. It occurs gradually based on the distance of sunlight journey.

- You can imagine: the sun position is sifted to the more distant positions. It will give relatively the same sight.
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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2019, 01:26:14 AM »
Here it is Stash


with the sun under the dome and heat reflecting as light how can it get that cold. where does all the heat go?

The increasing heat occurs by continual sun ray shooting with sufficient duration as well as not too long intervals of night duration. This condition is mainly the privilege for tropic and to some extent sub tropic areas.
But I still have to figure out other variable(s), including human factor.
In Saudi Arabia, for instance, when the temperature is higher than in Indonesia, but... we can feel that the heat in Saudi Arabia is more pleasurable than in Indonesia.
The sun ray might be not the factor of unpleasant feel in the skin. It might actually be the LASER.
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Re: "Two Suns": Midnight Sun is Only A Reflection
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2019, 11:54:19 AM »
- The transition might be visible as shown by video
What video?
The video you gave shows the sun with a sun dog. No transition.

- The ice crystals are scattered with relatively the same distant among those. This makes the sun light is reflected with different rates of distance of journey which consequently gives different light intensities. The more distant the sun light travels, the more absorbed by the air, and the less intensity at observers eyes. It occurs gradually based on the distance of sunlight journey.
That only applies to light which is passing through the air. For the majority of the journey between the sun and Earth there is no air to get in the way (or so little it is insignificant). So that doesn't explain why it can't happen with a distant sun.
In fact, the distant sun actually makes it a lot easier to explain.

When being refracted the light will typically refract at a specific angle, which is why sun dogs typically occur at specific angular separation from the sun, as do rainbows (including the higher order rainbows).
With a very distant sun, the light is basically coming in parallel, and thus will be refracted to the same angle. That means all the ice crystals along the path refract it towards you along the same line, allowing a bright sun dog.
With a close sun, those angles wouldn't line up, and you would get a smear instead.

So in fact, sun dogs require a distant sun, just like rainbows do.

In Saudi Arabia, for instance, when the temperature is higher than in Indonesia, but... we can feel that the heat in Saudi Arabia is more pleasurable than in Indonesia.
Consider the humidity.