Brexit

I agree there have been some ludicrous attacks on him, but the only reason he hasn't supported a war is because he hasn't had the chance. He's an opportunist through and through. Blair at least had defined motives, even if they were bordering on nationalistic. Corbyn would do everything Blair did and ride through on the support of his borderline cult of personality.
The only reason Labour hasn't imploded even more than it already has is because the Tories are the ones in charge of brexit so people are blaming them for this mess.

I don't see a reason to think he would have supported the war, especially given that he was actively opposed to it from the get go. I also don't see a reason to believe he is an opportunist. If he was I'd expect he wouldn't have endangered his position like that. I think he's just bad at doing politics and stubborn.

Quote from: Jane on April 03, 2019, 02:18:39 PM

to top it all off we naturally have what are semi-widely considered to be the worst leaders of our two major parties for at least a century or so leading us through it.

*coughs in Tony Blair* Not even this century.

Blair circa 1997 was a leader in a different league to anyone we have now.  I'd take that version of Blair back in a heatbeat.

Not the current version: a corrupt, weird, warmonger who shovels cash from dictators into his grubby trousers.

Quote from: Pezevenk on April 03, 2019, 02:47:38 PM

Quote from: Jane on April 03, 2019, 02:18:39 PM

to top it all off we naturally have what are semi-widely considered to be the worst leaders of our two major parties for at least a century or so leading us through it.

*coughs in Tony Blair* Not even this century.

Blair circa 1997 was a leader in a different league to anyone we have now.  I'd take that version of Blair back in a heatbeat.

Not the current version: a corrupt, weird, warmonger who shovels cash from dictators into his grubby trousers.

He was always a corrupt, weird warmonger.

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British tourists will be banned from taking beloved UK delicacies such as cornish pasties, pork pies and even cheddar cheese on holiday to the EU after a no deal Brexit, senior EU official said today.

What the heck? Pies need a vacation sometimes!

I for one took their pastries and tea home in time.

I for one took their pastries and tea home in time.

What happens when you run out?

Quote from: Pezevenk on April 04, 2019, 10:50:31 AM

I for one took their pastries and tea home in time.

What happens when you run out?

I prefer not to think about it.

Change scares the fuck out of people predisposed to be afraid of change.
It goes all the way up to top people who have made a career of scaring people into supporting them.

None of you understand Brexit. You just FEEL Brexit. 

You like the people that comfort you and hate the people they oppose.



Not a single one of you can describe any actual fact
or single effect that Brexit will cause.

Not a single one of you can describe any actual fact
or single effect that Brexit will cause.

Leaving aside the people that have already done that. Facts exist Bullwinkle.

Change scares the fuck out of people predisposed to be afraid of change.
It goes all the way up to top people who have made a career of scaring people into supporting them.

None of you understand Brexit. You just FEEL Brexit. 

You like the people that comfort you and hate the people they oppose.



Not a single one of you can describe any actual fact
or single effect that Brexit will cause.

You don't read or follow the news much do you?   If there is another explanation for your ignorance, I'd be happy to listen.

Change scares the fuck out of people predisposed to be afraid of change.
It goes all the way up to top people who have made a career of scaring people into supporting them.

None of you understand Brexit. You just FEEL Brexit. 

You like the people that comfort you and hate the people they oppose.



Not a single one of you can describe any actual fact
or single effect that Brexit will cause.

What? People have talked extensively about that. Can you not understand what breaking away from most of your major trading partners can cause to a country's economy? Companies are ALREADY leaving the UK before it's even happened. It will be a major disruption, and most don't think it's really worth it.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 06, 2019, 12:54:44 AM

Not a single one of you can describe any actual fact
or single effect that Brexit will cause.

Leaving aside the people that have already done that. Facts exist Bullwinkle.

I didn't know the negotiation is over.
Can you actually claim to know the outcome of something that has yet to be decided?

That's magic dice kind of bullshit.

I didn't know the negotiation is over.
Can you actually claim to know the outcome of something that has yet to be decided?

That's magic dice kind of bullshit.

Yep. Pretty easily. If you stop trading with people, you don't get what you would get if you did trade with them.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 06, 2019, 06:14:30 AM

I didn't know the negotiation is over.
Can you actually claim to know the outcome of something that has yet to be decided?

That's magic dice kind of bullshit.

Yep. Pretty easily. If you stop trading with people, you don't get what you would get if you did trade with them.

are your products really so pitiful that nobody will buy them
unless you are an EU club member?

Quote from: Jane on April 06, 2019, 07:08:54 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 06, 2019, 06:14:30 AM

I didn't know the negotiation is over.
Can you actually claim to know the outcome of something that has yet to be decided?

That's magic dice kind of bullshit.

Yep. Pretty easily. If you stop trading with people, you don't get what you would get if you did trade with them.

are your products really so pitiful that nobody will buy them
unless you are an EU club member?

You know trade deals a) deal with imports, b) are a bit more complicated than going to a corner shop, right?

You know trade deals a) deal with imports,

  Yes, strictly with imports.   
One math major's import is another business person's export.

The difference is that you don't understand business.
You can get anything you want at Alice's restaurant.

  Yes, strictly with imports.   
One math major's import is another business person's export.

Imports tend to be pretty import when the actual experts in the field are predicting we run out of food and medicine in a matter of weeks.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 06, 2019, 08:21:06 AM

  Yes, strictly with imports.   
One math major's import is another business person's export.

Imports tend to be pretty import when the actual experts in the field are predicting we run out of food and medicine in a matter of weeks.

Do you honestly believe the world is going to let you run out of food and pills?
Are you going to plant sheep so you don't run out of shepard's pie?

Quote from: Jane on April 06, 2019, 08:23:57 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 06, 2019, 08:21:06 AM

  Yes, strictly with imports.   
One math major's import is another business person's export.

Imports tend to be pretty import when the actual experts in the field are predicting we run out of food and medicine in a matter of weeks.

Do you honestly believe the world is going to let you run out of food and pills?
Are you going to plant sheep so you don't run out of shepard's pie?

I don't think the world's going to get much of a say, we'll need brand new trade deals whch'll take a while and if it gets to the point where we need active aid that's going to be a whole mess in itself. Sure, the country's not going to turn into a smoking crater, but we're still likely due months if not years of rolling blackouts, unnecessarily ramped up prices for essentials, and lower stocks. When the actual government's advice is 'start stockpiling tinned food' there comes a point where you can't pretend this isn't going to hurt a lot of people.

If you want to buy something you want,
someone will sell you something.

If you are selling something that someone wants,
someone will buy it from you.


It feels like you are abbreviating your stance
in order to continue to argue your position
without having to admit that you don't have a clue about
what the future may hold.

It feels like you are refusing to argue in good faith so you'll have an excuse to insult people. I'm not sure what the fuck is up with that, but no one is making you click on threads you're not interested in.

If you want to buy something you want,
someone will sell you something.

If you are selling something that someone wants,
someone will buy it from you.

...It feels like you don't know anything about international trade.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 06, 2019, 10:59:42 AM

If you want to buy something you want,
someone will sell you something.

If you are selling something that someone wants,
someone will buy it from you.

...It feels like you don't know anything about international trade.

I used Maquiladoras for almost 12 years.
You girls have absolutely no idea what is going on.

Quote from: Jane on April 06, 2019, 12:16:48 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 06, 2019, 10:59:42 AM

If you want to buy something you want,
someone will sell you something.

If you are selling something that someone wants,
someone will buy it from you.

...It feels like you don't know anything about international trade.

I used Maquiladoras for almost 12 years.
You girls have absolutely no idea what is going on.

Are you a country?

You heard it here first folks, the UK will overcome Brexit using maquiladoras, somehow. Brilliant plan.

Are you a country?

It feels like you are refusing to argue in good faith so you'll have an excuse to insult people.

Quote from: Jane on April 06, 2019, 12:56:42 PM

Are you a country?

It feels like you are refusing to argue in good faith so you'll have an excuse to insult people.

No, that'd be if I dropped the -ry.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 06, 2019, 01:10:32 PM

Quote from: Jane on April 06, 2019, 12:56:42 PM

Are you a country?

It feels like you are refusing to argue in good faith so you'll have an excuse to insult people.

No, that'd be if I dropped the -ry.

If you ever need a $100 survival package let me know. 
I'll see what I can do.

Don't let SCG drive a wedge between us.   

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 06, 2019, 01:10:32 PM

Quote from: Jane on April 06, 2019, 12:56:42 PM

Are you a country?

It feels like you are refusing to argue in good faith so you'll have an excuse to insult people.

No, that'd be if I dropped the -ry.

I don't understand your opposition here.  Bullwinkle's plan seems solid.  Your country stabs itself in the face because some crazy people voted to on a dare and we pay for the hospital bill.  Win/win.

Quote from: Jane on April 06, 2019, 01:15:12 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 06, 2019, 01:10:32 PM

Quote from: Jane on April 06, 2019, 12:56:42 PM

Are you a country?

It feels like you are refusing to argue in good faith so you'll have an excuse to insult people.

No, that'd be if I dropped the -ry.

If you ever need a $100 survival package let me know. 
I'll see what I can do.

Don't let SCG drive a wedge between us.   

Don't let SCG see the real you.