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# What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?

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#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2019, 04:46:08 PM »
Curiouser and Curiouser said:

"Or maybe go to a technical school and learn how to use measuring tools so that you're not resorting to tape and ribbon and cardboard and rice to make measurements. As we've pointed out many times before, you suck at accurate measurement. Then perhaps you could actually make a measurement of C/D that wasn't off by such a huge amount."

>> If the lecturer recommends me to use the corrupted pi tape, I'll sign out.
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#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2019, 05:12:00 PM »
>> The Phew Theorem >>  1/8 C = (Sin45) + (1-Cos45)² or
1/8 C = (Sin45)² + (1-Cos45)

might initially not convice people easily. But its formulas will give clear descriptions about the true calculations for curve shaped objects. It can be tested in real experiments. I dare you (and anyone) to do such experiments.
What thread is the derivation of that formula given?

Also, is that conventional sin/cos? They can be defined with reference to Euler's formula using pi, is pi accepted in that context or should it be replaced with phew?

I wrote that theorem once in a while in various threads. No special thread posted to explain Phew Theorem.

The idea is: 45° is the summary of the entire circumference. Basic calculation comes from 45° realities.

Sin and Cos are unchanged. It's universally proven that Sin45 equals 0.7071 and 1-Cos45 equals 0.2929.

It's a pure equation, not series. Phew/4 AKA 1/8 C is resulted from figures in a circle line with its connections with various projection of 'height' and 'wide' at both coordinate lines.
There are 'hidden code' in 45° angle e.g. 0.7071, 0.2929, 0.4142 etc.
Phew value comes from such figures, with certain processing methods.
For example: Sin45 is considered as distance obtained by velocity. While (1-cos45)² is the additional distance due to acceleration.
If 1/8 C (45°) = 0.7071 + 0.2929², 1/4 C (90°) will be 1 + 2×0.2929 or 1 + 1-0.4142.
Everything is "hint" by definite figures while a circle line put within a square.
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#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2019, 05:26:06 PM »
Lonegranger said:
"To calculate! Not construct!

Tell me how do you think a wheel of a car is manufactured!"

>> If you calculate the manufacture products based on Pi, the final product will be rejected before going to markets.

To define how big is the base of the tire, it must be fit with the gear radius times Tahu (the right version of Tau).
But you don't really need to know the exact size of that circumference just to produce the right sized tires. By using a compass, everything will go well. It's the radius game.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2019, 07:02:37 PM by Danang »
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#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2019, 05:32:20 PM »
What is Tahu?

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2019, 06:44:15 PM »
I can think of two implications
1 you would need a secret society *with ninjas* to swap true measurement values before things get to the production line
2 things would be inefficeint and break and true amounts like oil pipelines would have a little extra or missing a bit of stuff.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2019, 10:34:48 PM by faded mike »
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#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2019, 11:11:52 PM »
What Faded Mike said reminds me, that the correct one frequently does not show up, due to imperfect circumstances. Something that makes people think that 'what exists' is the 'correct one'.
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#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2019, 11:42:19 PM »
I hope this is the final conclusion about Phew

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=79557.0
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#### Lonegranger

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2019, 12:30:49 AM »
Lonegranger said:
"To calculate! Not construct!

Tell me how do you think a wheel of a car is manufactured!"

>> If you calculate the manufacture products based on Pi, the final product will be rejected before going to markets.

To define how big is the base of the tire, it must be fit with the gear radius times Tahu (the right version of Tau).
But you don't really need to know the exact size of that circumference just to produce the right sized tires. By using a compass, everything will go well. It's the radius game.

Car wheels are quite an interesting one as so many aspects of their manufacture and utility illustrate how wrong your ideas on both pi and phew are.

Car wheels or alloy wheels are most often made using high pressure die casting. Here molten metal is injuected into a die under pressure. You can look up the exact details. The dimensions of the die that determine the dimensions of the final wheel are of course calculated using pi. The odometer in the car works by counting how many revolutions the wheels make and thus by multiplying this by pi times the overall wheel diameter including the tyre we get the distance the car has gone.

This is of course the same story for every round object ever made, dimensions all calculated using  pi, no problem, no need for Phew.

Why not take the wheels of your car and demand a phew set be made!......you would need new tyres......and plus the wheels would not fit! ......in fact you would need a totally different car where every thing is made based on phew!

Why you think pi is wrong is indeed a mystery when the whole world works just fine using it.
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#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2019, 01:13:18 PM »
Pi & Phew as magnitudes ain't mystery. Mathematically and experimentally is tangible.
Phew formulas above are the confirmation of the reliability of Phew.

So.. Lonegranger should go to maths first before figuring out the 'mystery' why I see differently about C/D AKA 1/2 C  >> Is 'mystery' caused by ninjas or by absence of some particular tests or whatever.
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#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2019, 01:23:19 PM »
Not less important: Don't claim something that doesn't exist.

From Pi 'contribution', satellite, GPS etc.

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#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2019, 10:36:25 PM »
Sorry, for universal uses, the formulas are:

Cylinder Volume = h.Phew.r²
Sphere Volume = 2.Phew.&².r³
Cone Volume = 1/2 h.&².Phew.r²
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#### MicroBeta

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2019, 05:31:28 PM »
For time being, let's forget about the match between Pi vs Phew (Phew wins).

Is it true that Pi=3.14159 is applied in real technology?
Or is it just hoax?
I literally use pi every day at work so yes, it is applied in real technology and on a daily basis.
So... "something approximated" is applied to professional works.

Okay, since Phew is not so popular yet, let me refer to this link for basic information about Phew: (including for those who vote the poll above).

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78568.0
It may be “approximated”  but we know the actual value to a much larger number of significant digits than is used in any calculation.  If you actually understood what that means you would know it’s likely the most accurate value in any equation.

Mike
« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 05:36:08 PM by MicroBeta »
Since it costs 1.82¢ to produce a penny, putting in your 2¢ if really worth 3.64¢.

#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2019, 03:54:21 PM »
So..
What is the role of pi for precise, non bargainable measurements?
Rubber wheel is not a fixed object coz it can be flexible. Using pi or phew gives no significant difference.

Globe map construction doesn't use pi. It's a manual activity.

I don't believe pi is reliable for constructions with high precision. By fact as well as by calculation.
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#### markjo

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2019, 06:45:00 PM »
So..
What is the role of pi for precise, non bargainable measurements?
Rubber wheel is not a fixed object coz it can be flexible. Using pi or phew gives no significant difference.
Any precision mechanical device that has gears, shafts, pulleys or the like.  Cylinders in internal combustion engines.  The movements of the read/write heads in a hard disc drive.  Lots of real world devices need the precision of pi in order to work properly.  Phew would stink in such applications.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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#### MicroBeta

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2019, 06:23:12 AM »
So..
What is the role of pi for precise, non bargainable measurements?
Rubber wheel is not a fixed object coz it can be flexible. Using pi or phew gives no significant difference.

Globe map construction doesn't use pi. It's a manual activity.

I don't believe pi is reliable for constructions with high precision. By fact as well as by calculation.
I guess you just don't understand precision, accuracy, and significant digits.
Since it costs 1.82¢ to produce a penny, putting in your 2¢ if really worth 3.64¢.

#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2019, 04:17:26 PM »
So..
What is the role of pi for precise, non bargainable measurements?
Rubber wheel is not a fixed object coz it can be flexible. Using pi or phew gives no significant difference.
Any precision mechanical device that has gears, shafts, pulleys or the like.  Cylinders in internal combustion engines.  The movements of the read/write heads in a hard disc drive.  Lots of real world devices need the precision of pi in order to work properly.  Phew would stink in such applications.

It's all about Radius precision. By experiment and by calculation pi cannot develop. It only repeats Eurel, Archimedes etc.
I dare you to cultivate pi/4 as a basis of calculations. (But I believe nothing fruitful will be resulted).
Phew already did it with phew/4 and produced a number proper formulas that fits reality.
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#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2019, 04:21:02 PM »
So..
What is the role of pi for precise, non bargainable measurements?
Rubber wheel is not a fixed object coz it can be flexible. Using pi or phew gives no significant difference.

Globe map construction doesn't use pi. It's a manual activity.

I don't believe pi is reliable for constructions with high precision. By fact as well as by calculation.
I guess you just don't understand precision, accuracy, and significant digits.
So..
What is the role of pi for precise, non bargainable measurements?
Rubber wheel is not a fixed object coz it can be flexible. Using pi or phew gives no significant difference.

Globe map construction doesn't use pi. It's a manual activity.

I don't believe pi is reliable for constructions with high precision. By fact as well as by calculation.
I guess you just don't understand precision, accuracy, and significant digits.

Be clear. So I'd ask you once again: Where's your 👉 experiment 👈 ?
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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2019, 02:10:08 AM »
have you tried using R > 1?
how does taht work out for you?

#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2019, 03:12:12 AM »
have you tried using R > 1?
how does taht work out for you?

radius length is regarded as "1". For 1D, if the magnitude is higher than 1, e.g. 1.5, 2, 10 etc., time it with with that number to define radius and in turn the circumference.
For 2D, square it and put it in formulas.

For cone volume r becomes r square, no, r times r. Another r is dedicated to define the biggest circumference (the rim size).
The standard is cylinder curved length >> For r=1 it will be  (0+2phew.r):2=3.17157. The standard size won't be the same 3.17157 all the time. It depends on the radius. If r>1, the standard will be more than 3.17157.
r square in the equation vC=0.99695 h.r^2 is not really square. One of both r belongs to curved length calculation.
While the wing calculation goes as usual >> 1/2 h × r.

It also applies for cylinder calculation.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2019, 03:16:43 AM by Danang »
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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2019, 04:52:26 AM »
No.
Use R = 3.
See what hapens.

#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2019, 03:41:21 PM »
cV = 0.99695 × h × r²

Say, h=2r as the pattern in r=1 in the cube of 2×2×2=8

cV = 0.99695 × 6 × 3² = 53.8353

Ratio with the cube = 53.8353 : (6×6×6) = 0.2492 : 1
As much as 1.9939 : (2×2×2) for r=1

0.2492 : 1 is the standard of ratio of cone : cube in which cone's height = 2r

« Last Edit: February 26, 2019, 03:57:06 PM by Danang »
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#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2019, 03:48:42 PM »
Original calculation for r=1

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#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #52 on: February 26, 2019, 03:54:43 PM »
Lattest poll Score :
Phew vs Pi
1 : 10

(How dare those pi heads filling the poll without any proper arguments)
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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #53 on: February 26, 2019, 04:13:57 PM »
Original calculation for r=1

why do you continue to refuse to use R > 1?
interesting...
possibly because any number other than 1 will throw your phew out the window?

1^3
what's 1.1^3?

#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #54 on: February 26, 2019, 05:43:16 PM »
cV = 0.99695 × h × r²

Say, h=2r as the pattern in r=1 in the cube of 2×2×2=8

cV = 0.99695 × 6 × = 53.8353

Ratio with the cube = 53.8353 : (6×6×6) = 0.2492 : 1
As much as 1.9939 : (2×2×2) for r=1

0.2492 : 1 is the standard of ratio of cone : cube in which cone's height = 2r
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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2019, 06:34:46 AM »
Wtf is "curved height"

#### markjo

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2019, 07:35:11 AM »
So..
What is the role of pi for precise, non bargainable measurements?
Rubber wheel is not a fixed object coz it can be flexible. Using pi or phew gives no significant difference.
Any precision mechanical device that has gears, shafts, pulleys or the like.  Cylinders in internal combustion engines.  The movements of the read/write heads in a hard disc drive.  Lots of real world devices need the precision of pi in order to work properly.  Phew would stink in such applications.

It's all about Radius precision. By experiment and by calculation pi cannot develop. It only repeats Eurel, Archimedes etc.
I dare you to cultivate pi/4 as a basis of calculations. (But I believe nothing fruitful will be resulted).
Phew already did it with phew/4 and produced a number proper formulas that fits reality.
I dare you to provide a real world example where phew is used and is more accurate than pi.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

#### MicroBeta

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2019, 04:07:35 PM »
So..
What is the role of pi for precise, non bargainable measurements?
Rubber wheel is not a fixed object coz it can be flexible. Using pi or phew gives no significant difference.
Any precision mechanical device that has gears, shafts, pulleys or the like.  Cylinders in internal combustion engines.  The movements of the read/write heads in a hard disc drive.  Lots of real world devices need the precision of pi in order to work properly.  Phew would stink in such applications.

It's all about Radius precision. By experiment and by calculation pi cannot develop. It only repeats Eurel, Archimedes etc.
I dare you to cultivate pi/4 as a basis of calculations. (But I believe nothing fruitful will be resulted).
Phew already did it with phew/4 and produced a number proper formulas that fits reality.
I dare you to provide a real world example where phew is used and is more accurate than pi.
He's been asked to do that before and he has failed every time.  This time won't be any different.
Since it costs 1.82¢ to produce a penny, putting in your 2¢ if really worth 3.64¢.

#### Danang

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2019, 05:50:11 PM »
Wtf is "curved height"

The wing area rotates 360°, the average rotation distance = (0 + phew.r):2
Volume = wing area times average rotation distance AKA curved height.
Remember 0.79289 ingredient as shown in the formulas
« Last Edit: February 27, 2019, 05:58:11 PM by Danang »
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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What are significancies for the correct value of C/D in daily life?
« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2019, 05:53:20 PM »
Dafuq?
We re entering scepti level geomtry here.