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Where is the sun?

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jimster

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Where is the sun?
« on: February 02, 2019, 11:13:56 AM »
On FE, the sun is not where it appears to be at sunset and sunrise, can't be, it would be sitting on the disk. In fact, it appears to be directly above people at one place on earth at the same time it is on the eastern horizon in another place and on the western in yet another place and not visible at all in yet another. On FE, there must be some major light bending going on.

Explanation and equations that show how the light bends to appear in multiple directions at once?

Given that it must be in greatly different places than it appears, can we even know where it really is?

How would we know where it really is?

RE guess at answer: "We don't know yet, just sure earth is not round."

Looking forward to intelligent replies.


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Re: Where is the sun?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2019, 02:12:20 AM »
we know that the light is refrected by the air density. therefore the sun does not appear despite the fact that it is actually above. we can create equations about it. but we haven't been able to create a commission to detect it yet. we are not even able to create a commission that has yet to work. financial difficulties, lack of staff, lack of institutional support, etc. We can increase our excuses about it.
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Re: Where is the sun?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2019, 07:32:45 AM »
Quote from: wise on February 04, 2019, 02:12:20 AM
we know that the light is refrected by the air density. therefore the sun does not appear despite the fact that it is actually above. we can create equations about it. but we haven't been able to create a commission to detect it yet. we are not even able to create a commission that has yet to work. financial difficulties, lack of staff, lack of institutional support, etc. We can increase our excuses about it.

So at what distance does light become refracted to where you won't see it?
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Re: Where is the sun?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2019, 04:48:59 AM »
The sun is the star and center of the solar system. It is nearly perfect sphere of hot plasma with internal convective motions that generate a magnetic field via dynamo process. It is by the far the most important source of energy of life on earth. The sun lights at a heart of the solar system where it is by for the largest object. The sun at the star at the center of the solar system. It is nearly perfect sphere of hot plasma with internal convective motions that generates a magnetic field via dynamo process.
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Re: Where is the sun?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2019, 11:57:09 AM »
The sun isn't as far as "they" say it is. It's really just a man-made object placed in the sky and we are made to believe it's this thing that gives us light and heat. In reality the universe isn't that cold and we don't really need a "sun" to survive.
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Re: Where is the sun?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2019, 12:26:28 PM »
Quote from: frozen_berries on February 09, 2019, 11:57:09 AM
The sun isn't as far as "they" say it is. It's really just a man-made object placed in the sky and we are made to believe it's this thing that gives us light and heat. In reality the universe isn't that cold and we don't really need a "sun" to survive.

Where might one find more information on this? Curious about the "man-made" nature of the sun and how it is not necessary to survive.
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Re: Where is the sun?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2019, 05:16:43 PM »
Quote from: frozen_berries on February 09, 2019, 11:57:09 AM
The sun isn't as far as "they" say it is. It's really just a man-made object placed in the sky and we are made to believe it's this thing that gives us light and heat. In reality the universe isn't that cold and we don't really need a "sun" to survive.
Oh really? I assume you are joking but in case someone is foolish to seriously suggest this:
If the sun is "really just a ::) man-made object placed in the sky ::) and we . . . believe it's this thing that gives us light and heat" who placed it there and when?

It must have been before about 600 BCE because Anaximander who lived about 610 to 546 BCE felt the need to include the sun in his suggested cosmology.
Quote from: rabinoz on November 25, 2018, 06:18:33 PM
Anaximander was a very early Greek who lived before the Globe was introduced.
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Anaximander (c. 610—546 B.C.E.)
Anaximander was the author of the first surviving lines of Western philosophy. He speculated and argued about "the Boundless" as the origin of all that is. He also worked on the fields of what we now call geography and biology.
Read the details at IEP, Anaximander
This is his universe:

The radial distances are in earth diameters but not knowing his earth diameter his distances and sizes cannot readily be determined.
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Re: Where is the sun?
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2019, 05:57:28 PM »
Troll-spotting abilities a bit impaired, eh?
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Re: Where is the sun?
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2019, 11:09:54 PM »
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 09, 2019, 05:57:28 PM
Troll-spotting abilities a bit impaired, eh?
Inability to read all that is written noted ::)!
Quote from: rabinoz on February 09, 2019, 05:16:43 PM
Oh really? I assume you are joking but in case someone is foolish to seriously suggest this:
If the sun is "really just a ::) man-made object placed in the sky ::) and we . . . believe it's this thing that gives us light and heat" who placed it there and when?

It must have been before about 600 BCE because Anaximander who lived about 610 to 546 BCE felt the need to include the sun in his suggested cosmology.
Sorry a little satire went over your head but I guess that's not hard when you're stuck down the rabbit hole.
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Re: Where is the sun?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2019, 02:07:40 AM »
Quote from: Stash on February 09, 2019, 12:26:28 PM
Quote from: frozen_berries on February 09, 2019, 11:57:09 AM
The sun isn't as far as "they" say it is. It's really just a man-made object placed in the sky and we are made to believe it's this thing that gives us light and heat. In reality the universe isn't that cold and we don't really need a "sun" to survive.

Read Earth not a globe.

Where might one find more information on this? Curious about the "man-made" nature of the sun and how it is not necessary to survive.
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Re: Where is the sun?
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2019, 02:11:23 AM »
Quote from: rabinoz on February 09, 2019, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: frozen_berries on February 09, 2019, 11:57:09 AM
The sun isn't as far as "they" say it is. It's really just a man-made object placed in the sky and we are made to believe it's this thing that gives us light and heat. In reality the universe isn't that cold and we don't really need a "sun" to survive.
Oh really? I assume you are joking but in case someone is foolish to seriously suggest this:
If the sun is "really just a ::) man-made object placed in the sky ::) and we . . . believe it's this thing that gives us light and heat" who placed it there and when?

It must have been before about 600 BCE because Anaximander who lived about 610 to 546 BCE felt the need to include the sun in his suggested cosmology.
Quote from: rabinoz on November 25, 2018, 06:18:33 PM
Anaximander was a very early Greek who lived before the Globe was introduced.
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Anaximander (c. 610—546 B.C.E.)
Anaximander was the author of the first surviving lines of Western philosophy. He speculated and argued about "the Boundless" as the origin of all that is. He also worked on the fields of what we now call geography and biology.
Read the details at IEP, Anaximander
This is his universe:

The radial distances are in earth diameters but not knowing his earth diameter his distances and sizes cannot readily be determined.

I think you need to expand your thinking.
This isn't a new conspiracy that has just popped up in the past few years. This has existed long before we were born.
Also a lot of the technology we have right now existed 1000-2000 years ago but was kept a secret from us. Take a look at the pyramids. How do you think they were built without advanced technology?
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Re: Where is the sun?
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2019, 02:49:25 AM »
Quote from: frozen_berries on February 10, 2019, 02:11:23 AM
I think you need to expand your thinking.
This isn't a new conspiracy that has just popped up in the past few years. This has existed long before we were born.
Also a lot of the technology we have right now existed 1000-2000 years ago but was kept a secret from us. Take a look at the pyramids. How do you think they were built without advanced technology?

Pretty much every History/Discovery Channel shows you how. Check your 'expanded' cable listings.
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